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Big-Time Trouble, but Why Worry?
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During the past five years, both media and political circles have devoted an enormous amount of attention to social issues and culture wars -- rise of the Christian Right, anti-abortion groups, our debates over moral decline and moral relativism, prayer in the schools, school vouchers, displaying the Ten Commandments, sex and violence in entertainment, bias in the news media, gay marriage and all the rest of it. I sometimes think all of it amounts to a bunch of people saying, "The world would be a much better place if everybody else thought exactly the same way I do." Reminds me of Dr. Henry Higgins in his famous philosophical disquisition, "Why Can't A Woman Be More Like A Man?" Higgins finally discovers the ultimate problem: "Why can't a woman be more like ME?"
Then, of necessity, we have spent huge amounts of time on Sept. 11, terrorism, Iraq, and related and ancillary problems. It is not necessary to review the bidding here, but Iraq is becoming as divisive and unpopular as the Vietnam War.
While we have been absorbed in the silly circus of cultural issues and the riveting questions of the war, we've also been getting our pockets picked. Big time. I am impressed that cartoonist Lloyd Dangle in the strip "Troubletown" managed to get the whole problem into 12 panels, each announcing some piece of economic news accompanied by an American saying, essentially, "What, me worry?" The U.S. is over $7 trillion in debt (no problem); China buys $1 billion worth of U.S. treasury bills a day (thanks for floating us); Americans love the prices at Wal-Mart (made in China, cute!); the Chinese save 50 percent of their domestic product; the average American has $9,000 on his credit cards; our economy is fueled by a fragile housing bubble; the minimum wage is $5.15 per hour ... ; taxpayers who earn over $1 million saved $30K under Bush tax cuts; the war in Iraq costs $9 billion a month; by 2040, our kids will be unable to do more than pay the interest on the national debt ... ; bankruptcy reform makes it impossible to escape your debts; in Darfur [Sudan], people earn $1.25 a day.
For those who prefer to get their economic news from a more respectable source than a cartoon, I recommend Bill Greider's op-ed article in the July 18 New York Times, "America's Truth Deficit." He begins with the startling thesis that we face structural economic problems as serious as those that destroyed the late Soviet Union and that, like the USSR before its breakup, our leaders cannot talk about these problems honestly. "[Our] weakening position in the global trading system is obvious and ominous, yet leaders in politics, business, finance and the news media are not willing to discuss candidly what is happening and why. Instead they recycle the usual bromides about the benefits of free trade and assurances that everything will work out for the best."
It is a curious thing that as the disadvantages and, indeed, perils of globalization become clearer and the subject of ever-more worried books by respected economists, the mainstream media keep treating the whole problem as though it were about a bunch of protesters in turtle costumes at the G8 summit. If it were not for Lou Dobbs on CNN, one would never even hear it mentioned on television.
Forget what the Supreme Court thinks about teaching creationism in the schools: Think about what it will contribute to the spiraling disasters of globalization by dismantling the entire economic regulatory system built up over the past 100 years. As Greider notes, "Washington defines 'national interest' primarily in terms of advancing the global reach of our multinational enterprises." Problem is, our multinational corporations increasingly work against the interests of Americans themselves. In addition to outsourcing jobs, the companies locate sham headquarters in off-shore tax havens to avoid paying taxes. The only restraints we have ever had on multinational corporations are government regulation and the right to sue the bastards for the various kinds of harm they cause. It is precisely those two forms of control that are being not just undermined but tossed out entirely by an increasingly activist right-wing judiciary.
Recommended reading: Greider's "One World, Ready Or Not"; David Korten's "When Corporations Rule the World"; and Paul Krugman's "The Great Unraveling."
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Posted by: bookwoman on Jul 22, 2005 5:38 AM
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I blame the Dems for not putting the problems with job loss and the bad situation of our economic system up front before the 2004 election. John Edwards was talking about it, but he and his discussion about the economic problems besetting the ordinary family disappeared from view during the final two weeks of the campaign.
A recent survey showed that the majority of people interviewed think our economy is in trouble; however, they also say that their own situation is not bad. What's going on here. Its embarassing to admit that things aren't going well at home. Are these people really in good shape at home or are they hiding the problems they are facing.
One of my complaints about the jobs report is that it isn't balanced by the unemployment report. Any good accountant will tell you that you don't make up a balance sheet that shows the credits without mitigating the figures with the debits. It doesn't give a true picture of an organization's accounting situation and not reducing our job created figures with our job loss figures for the same period of time doesn't give us a true picture of what is going on with the "ordinary" working people in our country. I can't make valid decisions if you don't tell me the truth.
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Posted by: Riverside on Jul 22, 2005 5:40 AM
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The combination of global warming and energy crises should have been an inspiration to the automotive industry to speed up the development of the fuel cell engine. Since our leadership is joined at both the head and hip to the PetrolGiants, there has been no serious support from the White House to get this ball rolling. Undeterred by the White House, Honda and Japan are making the jump which helps them and hurts us.
Safe nuclear generated power must become a reality. There are already processes that reduce by one-half the residual waste products from nucelar power plants. There are also new ideas for the use of this waste material that will further reduce its lurking presence. Much of this is in the active files of the U. S. Department of Energy, but again our leadership and its petroleum interets have stifled the funds and impetus to make this happen.
Moving on these issues will not totally cure our sick economy, but they would go a long way in giving it the resuciataion it desperately needs. I wonder if we have the courage to make these issues key topics in the elections for 2006 and 2008?
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jul 22, 2005 7:17 AM
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Greed that keeps 40% of us well below poverty level. It's Greed that fueled every war this country has ever been in.It's
Greed that forced the Natural Resources Conservation Act of
1933 which gutted family farming that was the heart of our then AG based economy for one that's run on oil. It's Greed
that allows for the outright poisining of all living things so shareholders can buy a $10,000 night stand,and it's Greed
that will bring a much needed 'Wealth Revolution' this country
has needed since the Corpies got together 140 yrs ago.
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Posted by: Ray on Jul 22, 2005 9:09 AM
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Certainly the economic depression has hit! While Bush touts that new home ownership has grown, he simply fails to mention that over two million folks have lost their homes due to out sourced employment and subsequent equity out schemes.
And is there any wounder why between 2.1 million to 15 million new prisoners crowd our gulags. Well over a hundred years ago two German social scientists studied the relationship between unemployment/poverty and crime and imprisonment. Their findings clearily showed what we take for granted today - that as poverty rises so does crime and so does this slavemaster society's solution of imprisonment. However, slave ownership has a solution, like it does in Iraq - build more prisons and make more money off of that remedy. Create the problem and make money, then provide and false solution and make more money.
The depression has hit - just drive around and look at the homeless on the streets while your gas gage sits between 1/4th and empty.
Ray
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Posted by: nakis on Jul 22, 2005 10:16 AM
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Any moment now I expect some free trade nincompoop to post how stupid and delusional you are since all this is the fault not of the policies of the wealthy and powerful but the actions to try to keep them in rein.
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Posted by: Pooty T on Jul 22, 2005 12:40 PM
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All the Bush economic policies have come at the worst possible time. For when the decline of oil starts things are going to get that much uglier. At this point there's really nothing else worth talking about.
The Chinese are clearly positioning themselves for a contest. One that neither of us could possibly win.......... I'm heartbeat away from trading everything for a solar farm and a gun. Somewhere the bombs won't reach.
While I'm here I'll say this:
We need to stop talking about what our government is doing. It is truly a lost cause. Start talking about what YOU are doing. For instance:
1. Recycle your car - walk, use public transit, ride a bike.
2. Buy locally whenever possible - farmers markets, thrift stores. You'll have to research the rest.
3. Every building needs solar panels - start with yours.
4. Every town needs wind turbines - start with yours.
5. GET OUT OF DEBT FAST.
Of course nobody is going to do any of this. Have a contingency plan. Geez, I sound like a nut....
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Posted by: Clueless at the Top on Jul 22, 2005 2:37 PM
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Now that George Bush has exposed hierarchies so vividly, many people in top groups who had been shielded from the negative effects of hierarchies are amazed. Some think that Bush is the problem, and if he is gone, our problem is over. George Bush does showcase problems of top-of-the-hierarchy perspectives in ways that are now too obvious to ignore, but the root of the problem - hierarchies - was there long before Bush.
Where do we find new ideas and new directions? Not from people whose experience with hierarchies is too new to have the wisdom to see problems and solutions clearly.
Those of us, unlike Roberts, who are not white, male, heterosexual, Christian, able-bodied, monied, educated in elite private schools, and tall have known for a long time that there is a problem with the American Dream.
If people traditionally on top have few new ideas, it's not because they are "white guys." Whoever occupies the top positions on hierarchies are somewhat clueless (this case white and male), that's the nature of hierarchies. If Hispanic women had occupied the top position in our country of hierarchies for over two centuries, they would not be the group to look to for change.
What percentage of the time does progressive media feature guests who are members of top-of-the-hierarchy groups? If we keep looking for direction from people with top-of-the-hierarchy perspectives who are new to hierarchies, we'll remain stuck.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 22, 2005 2:39 PM
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Today, I read that China is not longer going to peg the value of its currency to the dollar. This is one more item I'll check off of my list of Steps to the Bottom. We've floated our economy on debt that they hold, and now they have lost faith in the dollar. I'm waiting for the day, maybe not so far off, when they decide to "appropriate" all those nice factories we've built for them, and go after our other foreign markets themselves – after all, thanks to us, China not only makes things now, they DESIGN them too. One-stop shopping for the world. AND – they're makin' deals all over the world for the oil we think we're entitled to.
The corporations have left us, our government has plans for self-preservation (step #1: Patriot Act) that include the containment of the population when it finally learns the truth and gets really pissed off, and financial institutions are working to impoverish us in order to bring our labor costs into parity with those of the third world.
Unless something radically changes, and SOON, it will be over. We'll be over. The American Dream will be over.
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Posted by: iamjoncannon on Jul 22, 2005 2:58 PM
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On another note, in case the author herself actually reads this, you were dead wrong in the last piece about Iraq, at some point in the piece you gave a startlingly low figure for Iraqi civilian casualties. "The Lancet", a British medical journal, did a more expansive, less conservative, and, frankly, more methodologically precise estimate of civilian casulaties as the result of the invasion, and put the figure in 2003 above 30,000...98,000 if you include military and police officers.
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Posted by: fjames on Jul 22, 2005 3:09 PM
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Maybe for her next brilliant piece she can check with dan rather for some facts.
Religion is not being shoved down my throat and i am a rep. How about this Molly: if we can respect religions of peace like the Muslim religion than why can't we respect Christianity? It's absurd. But you do claim to write about the bizarre.
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Posted by: Jimmy Cee on Jul 22, 2005 6:58 PM
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Those who insist, consciously or reflexively, on referring to the USA as a "great nation" should, henceforth, correct this falsehood and speak the truth:
We WERE a 'great nation', once upon a time, perhaps; long ago and far away from where we are now.
No longer! We have eclipsed our azimuth and are waning.
Beyond any doubt, this is a FORMERLY 'great' nation.
Thank you and good night.
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Posted by: pjmax on Jul 22, 2005 11:57 PM
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The Democrats are now what Bush was during his stint in the Texas Air National Guard. Namely, AWOL. Is it any wonder that gay marriage, "partial-birth" abortion, and the other "social issues" have become such political footballs? The Democrats' silence has created a vacuum that the Republicans have been hard at work filing.
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Posted by: gddiii on Jul 23, 2005 5:32 AM
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Demagogues flippantly dismiss thoughtful opponents as pseudo-intellectual snobs who do not believe that “ordinary people” can think for themselves. Demagogues do not attempt to expound to the public on the merits of certain policies and proposals, but rather resort to rhetoric as a substitute for forthright discussion. They distort elements of their opponents’ intricate positions, and then exploit the inconsistency or absurdity of their own distortions. Demagogues do not respond to criticism, but instead attack their critics.
Demagogues use broad, ill-defined maxims to identify themselves as the defenders, and their opponents as the enemies, of the fundamental hopes of all people by appealing to their fears. Ultimately, though demagogues prove to be the only players on the stage who threaten the simple peace and basic sustenance which all humanity desires.
George W. Bush is a demagogue, and Karl Rove is his henchman-in-chief.
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Posted by: Astroboy on Jul 23, 2005 6:33 AM
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We are allowing Bushco to divide and conquer.
And he's winning - by manipulating us to form a collective voice AGAINST him and his worshippers, his troops rally back and our attention is being displaced and misplaced. We are ALL (including, and perhaps more so, his own followers) missing what is really going on behind the facade. We MUST start looking at the Big Picture.
Bush is simply a baby step forward toward a much larger agenda of totally dismantling the United States of America AND the world, as we know it.
This is not hyperbole. When Bush Sr. said "New World Order" he f**king meant it!
There are MORE Bushes to come after he is gone, but the agenda will remain. They have been working on this plan for more than forty years.
Do not get caught up in the minutiae, for when we do, our attention is once again diverted.
One simple and glaring example: We know that the war in Iraq began under false pretenses, lies, and distortions. What was the REAL reason for the invasion?? No one asks. Some believe "oil", then leave it at that. But it's much more complex and longlasting than such a one dimentional deduction, and we are too busy "responding" to redundant turd blossoms falling onto us, ad nauseum, from the Rove Machine and his minions.
Bush is a figurehead, a token and a puppet. A puppet who is so incredibly daft that he does not even realize he has strings to be pulled. Bush is perfect, in this regard. His father knows him. His father set him up as a sacrifical lamb for a "greater good".
In time Bush Jr. will be known as the most damaging, dishonest, corrupt and (some will say) evil leader that this country has ever had. It will not matter a whit. He will have accomplished for them what they set him up to do. In this context, even Rove is being used.
Focus on the real danger looming above our heads:
The dismantling of the United States of America as we know it and the conquest of the World.
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Posted by: ascot on Jul 24, 2005 11:51 AM
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The rise of faith-based notions ranging from the origin of the universe to economics and, yes, WMDs, has discredited the view that facts should determine outcomes. Hell, we are alone in the world, clinging to the outdated Engilish system of units, an archaicism that the English discarded decades ago. Thank Reagan and his cronies for that one.
After WW2, we piled into overcrowded classrooms eager to learn about science, engineering, and economics because they were exciting fields that we might learn and make a living in. After a depression and a war, learing new stuff was exciting in and of itself. Public universities were cheap enough that it was possible to actually work one's way to a degree.
Now the cost of a quality education in real terms is much greater. A glass ceiling has been erected at about the 98th percentile. The esteem with which technology jobs are regarded is declining. More importantly, more are asking, "What can I get?" rather than, "What can I do?". Except for the foreign students, of course. They find technology to be at least as exciting as we did a generation or so ago.
The way to minimize the damage is to increase the awareness of the real (including life-cycle) costs and the real benefits of our choices.
If the military cost of assuring a supply of gasoline comes to a few dollars per gallon (probably not a bad guess), then we should factor that into the pump price and understand the consequences of our choices whether our dollars (and lives) are being spent now or later.
We need to get smart, wake up, and spread the word.
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Posted by: auntiegrav on Jul 24, 2005 4:50 PM
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I disagree with him. America's cotton and tobacco and sugar industries were even faster rising, if we consider the scale of communications and travel speeds vs the modern age. The difference, and the similiarity, is that instead of Chinese cheap labor being taken advantage of under the guise of 'free' trade, the biggest economic factor in America's rise was slave labor, under the guise of property'.
We accuse China of human rights violations and environmental destruction, while they are merely acting as slavers, enabling our demands for cheap goods and unnecessary luxuries.
I read a comparison in an agricultural or economic website which said that our use of petroleum is equivalent to each American having 100 slaves at their service. I apologize for the crassness of this comparison, but I use it to try and put a scale on the size of the American desire for someone or something else to magically serve their needs. It goes along with a saying about labor unions which I think
applies to modern America: "The only thing worse than doing an American's job for him is to make him do it himself."
If a human's job is to survive, what will Americans do when the oil is out of reach? What did America do when slaves were legally out of reach? They reached for oil and automation, and they reached overseas for low-wage slaves.
We need to start doing things ourselves, and getting used to doing less, and doing it by hand.
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Posted by: auntiegrav on Jul 24, 2005 4:54 PM
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By quitting and becoming a farmer, I have taken approximately 1,000,000 dollars a year from the corporations (my job was to make money for them with the employees I supervised, and to build machines for their processes).
We only need to do this:
Buy less, buy local, buy only what you need. Work less, turn off the TV.
Every person who realizes that profits come from their backs and their future can fight this mess in the simplest way possible: by saving money and saving their own lives. It doesn't mean everyone has to become a farmer. Most of the corporations make their billions and trillions on the time we work overtime to pay for jetskis, motorcycles, sports events, gas to go to Disneyworld, and plastic packaged foods.
It's too late to save TWAWKI (the world as we know it), but it isn't too late to be humans.
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Let me get to the point . You cannot create a utopian society through forced wealth redistribution. It fails every time.
Good day and lets pray for more tax cuts and more capitalism!!!!
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I, personally, gain nothing from this effort.
Although I am concerned about the environment and want research and development on cheaper and more ecologically sound fuels and expansion of mass transit, right now those prices are hurting the working and middle classes and will affect the entire economy! We need lower prices and caps NOW! Here is the link:
http://www.petitiononline.com/g1a2s3US/petition.html
Thanks, Mary L., Richmond, VA
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I blame the Dems for not putting the problems with job loss and the bad situation of our economic system up front before the 2004 election. John Edwards was talking about it, but he and his discussion about the economic problems besetting the ordinary family disappeared from view during the final two weeks of the campaign.
A recent survey showed that the majority of people interviewed think our economy is in trouble; however, they also say that their own situation is not bad. What's going on here. Its embarassing to admit that things aren't going well at home. Are these people really in good shape at home or are they hiding the problems they are facing.
One of my complaints about the jobs report is that it isn't balanced by the unemployment report. Any good accountant will tell you that you don't make up a balance sheet that shows the credits without mitigating the figures with the debits. It doesn't give a true picture of an organization's accounting situation and not reducing our job created figures with our job loss figures for the same period of time doesn't give us a true picture of what is going on with the "ordinary" working people in our country. I can't make valid decisions if you don't tell me the truth.
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The combination of global warming and energy crises should have been an inspiration to the automotive industry to speed up the development of the fuel cell engine. Since our leadership is joined at both the head and hip to the PetrolGiants, there has been no serious support from the White House to get this ball rolling. Undeterred by the White House, Honda and Japan are making the jump which helps them and hurts us.
Safe nuclear generated power must become a reality. There are already processes that reduce by one-half the residual waste products from nucelar power plants. There are also new ideas for the use of this waste material that will further reduce its lurking presence. Much of this is in the active files of the U. S. Department of Energy, but again our leadership and its petroleum interets have stifled the funds and impetus to make this happen.
Moving on these issues will not totally cure our sick economy, but they would go a long way in giving it the resuciataion it desperately needs. I wonder if we have the courage to make these issues key topics in the elections for 2006 and 2008?
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Greed that keeps 40% of us well below poverty level. It's Greed that fueled every war this country has ever been in.It's
Greed that forced the Natural Resources Conservation Act of
1933 which gutted family farming that was the heart of our then AG based economy for one that's run on oil. It's Greed
that allows for the outright poisining of all living things so shareholders can buy a $10,000 night stand,and it's Greed
that will bring a much needed 'Wealth Revolution' this country
has needed since the Corpies got together 140 yrs ago.
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Certainly the economic depression has hit! While Bush touts that new home ownership has grown, he simply fails to mention that over two million folks have lost their homes due to out sourced employment and subsequent equity out schemes.
And is there any wounder why between 2.1 million to 15 million new prisoners crowd our gulags. Well over a hundred years ago two German social scientists studied the relationship between unemployment/poverty and crime and imprisonment. Their findings clearily showed what we take for granted today - that as poverty rises so does crime and so does this slavemaster society's solution of imprisonment. However, slave ownership has a solution, like it does in Iraq - build more prisons and make more money off of that remedy. Create the problem and make money, then provide and false solution and make more money.
The depression has hit - just drive around and look at the homeless on the streets while your gas gage sits between 1/4th and empty.
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Any moment now I expect some free trade nincompoop to post how stupid and delusional you are since all this is the fault not of the policies of the wealthy and powerful but the actions to try to keep them in rein.
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All the Bush economic policies have come at the worst possible time. For when the decline of oil starts things are going to get that much uglier. At this point there's really nothing else worth talking about.
The Chinese are clearly positioning themselves for a contest. One that neither of us could possibly win.......... I'm heartbeat away from trading everything for a solar farm and a gun. Somewhere the bombs won't reach.
While I'm here I'll say this:
We need to stop talking about what our government is doing. It is truly a lost cause. Start talking about what YOU are doing. For instance:
1. Recycle your car - walk, use public transit, ride a bike.
2. Buy locally whenever possible - farmers markets, thrift stores. You'll have to research the rest.
3. Every building needs solar panels - start with yours.
4. Every town needs wind turbines - start with yours.
5. GET OUT OF DEBT FAST.
Of course nobody is going to do any of this. Have a contingency plan. Geez, I sound like a nut....
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Now that George Bush has exposed hierarchies so vividly, many people in top groups who had been shielded from the negative effects of hierarchies are amazed. Some think that Bush is the problem, and if he is gone, our problem is over. George Bush does showcase problems of top-of-the-hierarchy perspectives in ways that are now too obvious to ignore, but the root of the problem - hierarchies - was there long before Bush.
Where do we find new ideas and new directions? Not from people whose experience with hierarchies is too new to have the wisdom to see problems and solutions clearly.
Those of us, unlike Roberts, who are not white, male, heterosexual, Christian, able-bodied, monied, educated in elite private schools, and tall have known for a long time that there is a problem with the American Dream.
If people traditionally on top have few new ideas, it's not because they are "white guys." Whoever occupies the top positions on hierarchies are somewhat clueless (this case white and male), that's the nature of hierarchies. If Hispanic women had occupied the top position in our country of hierarchies for over two centuries, they would not be the group to look to for change.
What percentage of the time does progressive media feature guests who are members of top-of-the-hierarchy groups? If we keep looking for direction from people with top-of-the-hierarchy perspectives who are new to hierarchies, we'll remain stuck.
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Today, I read that China is not longer going to peg the value of its currency to the dollar. This is one more item I'll check off of my list of Steps to the Bottom. We've floated our economy on debt that they hold, and now they have lost faith in the dollar. I'm waiting for the day, maybe not so far off, when they decide to "appropriate" all those nice factories we've built for them, and go after our other foreign markets themselves – after all, thanks to us, China not only makes things now, they DESIGN them too. One-stop shopping for the world. AND – they're makin' deals all over the world for the oil we think we're entitled to.
The corporations have left us, our government has plans for self-preservation (step #1: Patriot Act) that include the containment of the population when it finally learns the truth and gets really pissed off, and financial institutions are working to impoverish us in order to bring our labor costs into parity with those of the third world.
Unless something radically changes, and SOON, it will be over. We'll be over. The American Dream will be over.
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On another note, in case the author herself actually reads this, you were dead wrong in the last piece about Iraq, at some point in the piece you gave a startlingly low figure for Iraqi civilian casualties. "The Lancet", a British medical journal, did a more expansive, less conservative, and, frankly, more methodologically precise estimate of civilian casulaties as the result of the invasion, and put the figure in 2003 above 30,000...98,000 if you include military and police officers.
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Maybe for her next brilliant piece she can check with dan rather for some facts.
Religion is not being shoved down my throat and i am a rep. How about this Molly: if we can respect religions of peace like the Muslim religion than why can't we respect Christianity? It's absurd. But you do claim to write about the bizarre.
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Those who insist, consciously or reflexively, on referring to the USA as a "great nation" should, henceforth, correct this falsehood and speak the truth:
We WERE a 'great nation', once upon a time, perhaps; long ago and far away from where we are now.
No longer! We have eclipsed our azimuth and are waning.
Beyond any doubt, this is a FORMERLY 'great' nation.
Thank you and good night.
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The Democrats are now what Bush was during his stint in the Texas Air National Guard. Namely, AWOL. Is it any wonder that gay marriage, "partial-birth" abortion, and the other "social issues" have become such political footballs? The Democrats' silence has created a vacuum that the Republicans have been hard at work filing.
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Demagogues flippantly dismiss thoughtful opponents as pseudo-intellectual snobs who do not believe that “ordinary people” can think for themselves. Demagogues do not attempt to expound to the public on the merits of certain policies and proposals, but rather resort to rhetoric as a substitute for forthright discussion. They distort elements of their opponents’ intricate positions, and then exploit the inconsistency or absurdity of their own distortions. Demagogues do not respond to criticism, but instead attack their critics.
Demagogues use broad, ill-defined maxims to identify themselves as the defenders, and their opponents as the enemies, of the fundamental hopes of all people by appealing to their fears. Ultimately, though demagogues prove to be the only players on the stage who threaten the simple peace and basic sustenance which all humanity desires.
George W. Bush is a demagogue, and Karl Rove is his henchman-in-chief.
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We are allowing Bushco to divide and conquer.
And he's winning - by manipulating us to form a collective voice AGAINST him and his worshippers, his troops rally back and our attention is being displaced and misplaced. We are ALL (including, and perhaps more so, his own followers) missing what is really going on behind the facade. We MUST start looking at the Big Picture.
Bush is simply a baby step forward toward a much larger agenda of totally dismantling the United States of America AND the world, as we know it.
This is not hyperbole. When Bush Sr. said "New World Order" he f**king meant it!
There are MORE Bushes to come after he is gone, but the agenda will remain. They have been working on this plan for more than forty years.
Do not get caught up in the minutiae, for when we do, our attention is once again diverted.
One simple and glaring example: We know that the war in Iraq began under false pretenses, lies, and distortions. What was the REAL reason for the invasion?? No one asks. Some believe "oil", then leave it at that. But it's much more complex and longlasting than such a one dimentional deduction, and we are too busy "responding" to redundant turd blossoms falling onto us, ad nauseum, from the Rove Machine and his minions.
Bush is a figurehead, a token and a puppet. A puppet who is so incredibly daft that he does not even realize he has strings to be pulled. Bush is perfect, in this regard. His father knows him. His father set him up as a sacrifical lamb for a "greater good".
In time Bush Jr. will be known as the most damaging, dishonest, corrupt and (some will say) evil leader that this country has ever had. It will not matter a whit. He will have accomplished for them what they set him up to do. In this context, even Rove is being used.
Focus on the real danger looming above our heads:
The dismantling of the United States of America as we know it and the conquest of the World.
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The rise of faith-based notions ranging from the origin of the universe to economics and, yes, WMDs, has discredited the view that facts should determine outcomes. Hell, we are alone in the world, clinging to the outdated Engilish system of units, an archaicism that the English discarded decades ago. Thank Reagan and his cronies for that one.
After WW2, we piled into overcrowded classrooms eager to learn about science, engineering, and economics because they were exciting fields that we might learn and make a living in. After a depression and a war, learing new stuff was exciting in and of itself. Public universities were cheap enough that it was possible to actually work one's way to a degree.
Now the cost of a quality education in real terms is much greater. A glass ceiling has been erected at about the 98th percentile. The esteem with which technology jobs are regarded is declining. More importantly, more are asking, "What can I get?" rather than, "What can I do?". Except for the foreign students, of course. They find technology to be at least as exciting as we did a generation or so ago.
The way to minimize the damage is to increase the awareness of the real (including life-cycle) costs and the real benefits of our choices.
If the military cost of assuring a supply of gasoline comes to a few dollars per gallon (probably not a bad guess), then we should factor that into the pump price and understand the consequences of our choices whether our dollars (and lives) are being spent now or later.
We need to get smart, wake up, and spread the word.
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I disagree with him. America's cotton and tobacco and sugar industries were even faster rising, if we consider the scale of communications and travel speeds vs the modern age. The difference, and the similiarity, is that instead of Chinese cheap labor being taken advantage of under the guise of 'free' trade, the biggest economic factor in America's rise was slave labor, under the guise of property'.
We accuse China of human rights violations and environmental destruction, while they are merely acting as slavers, enabling our demands for cheap goods and unnecessary luxuries.
I read a comparison in an agricultural or economic website which said that our use of petroleum is equivalent to each American having 100 slaves at their service. I apologize for the crassness of this comparison, but I use it to try and put a scale on the size of the American desire for someone or something else to magically serve their needs. It goes along with a saying about labor unions which I think
applies to modern America: "The only thing worse than doing an American's job for him is to make him do it himself."
If a human's job is to survive, what will Americans do when the oil is out of reach? What did America do when slaves were legally out of reach? They reached for oil and automation, and they reached overseas for low-wage slaves.
We need to start doing things ourselves, and getting used to doing less, and doing it by hand.
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By quitting and becoming a farmer, I have taken approximately 1,000,000 dollars a year from the corporations (my job was to make money for them with the employees I supervised, and to build machines for their processes).
We only need to do this:
Buy less, buy local, buy only what you need. Work less, turn off the TV.
Every person who realizes that profits come from their backs and their future can fight this mess in the simplest way possible: by saving money and saving their own lives. It doesn't mean everyone has to become a farmer. Most of the corporations make their billions and trillions on the time we work overtime to pay for jetskis, motorcycles, sports events, gas to go to Disneyworld, and plastic packaged foods.
It's too late to save TWAWKI (the world as we know it), but it isn't too late to be humans.
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Posted by: sensitiveguy on Jul 27, 2005 3:17 AM
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Let me get to the point . You cannot create a utopian society through forced wealth redistribution. It fails every time.
Good day and lets pray for more tax cuts and more capitalism!!!!
Sensitiveguy
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Posted by: MEL810 on Aug 18, 2005 8:55 PM
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I, personally, gain nothing from this effort.
Although I am concerned about the environment and want research and development on cheaper and more ecologically sound fuels and expansion of mass transit, right now those prices are hurting the working and middle classes and will affect the entire economy! We need lower prices and caps NOW! Here is the link:
http://www.petitiononline.com/g1a2s3US/petition.html
Thanks, Mary L., Richmond, VA
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