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Big-Time Trouble, but Why Worry?

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted July 22, 2005.


As most of the country focuses almost entirely on social issues and culture wars, our economic problems are threatening to bring the country down by its foundations.
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If you had done a poll in November 2000, or in November 2004, I don't think you would have gotten out of single digits with this proposition: "George W. Bush wants to radically revise American law, including complete repeal of the New Deal, and take us back to the economic legal system that prevailed at the turn of the 19th century -- Robber Barons Redux."

During the past five years, both media and political circles have devoted an enormous amount of attention to social issues and culture wars -- rise of the Christian Right, anti-abortion groups, our debates over moral decline and moral relativism, prayer in the schools, school vouchers, displaying the Ten Commandments, sex and violence in entertainment, bias in the news media, gay marriage and all the rest of it. I sometimes think all of it amounts to a bunch of people saying, "The world would be a much better place if everybody else thought exactly the same way I do." Reminds me of Dr. Henry Higgins in his famous philosophical disquisition, "Why Can't A Woman Be More Like A Man?" Higgins finally discovers the ultimate problem: "Why can't a woman be more like ME?"

Then, of necessity, we have spent huge amounts of time on Sept. 11, terrorism, Iraq, and related and ancillary problems. It is not necessary to review the bidding here, but Iraq is becoming as divisive and unpopular as the Vietnam War.

While we have been absorbed in the silly circus of cultural issues and the riveting questions of the war, we've also been getting our pockets picked. Big time. I am impressed that cartoonist Lloyd Dangle in the strip "Troubletown" managed to get the whole problem into 12 panels, each announcing some piece of economic news accompanied by an American saying, essentially, "What, me worry?" The U.S. is over $7 trillion in debt (no problem); China buys $1 billion worth of U.S. treasury bills a day (thanks for floating us); Americans love the prices at Wal-Mart (made in China, cute!); the Chinese save 50 percent of their domestic product; the average American has $9,000 on his credit cards; our economy is fueled by a fragile housing bubble; the minimum wage is $5.15 per hour ... ; taxpayers who earn over $1 million saved $30K under Bush tax cuts; the war in Iraq costs $9 billion a month; by 2040, our kids will be unable to do more than pay the interest on the national debt ... ; bankruptcy reform makes it impossible to escape your debts; in Darfur [Sudan], people earn $1.25 a day.

For those who prefer to get their economic news from a more respectable source than a cartoon, I recommend Bill Greider's op-ed article in the July 18 New York Times, "America's Truth Deficit." He begins with the startling thesis that we face structural economic problems as serious as those that destroyed the late Soviet Union and that, like the USSR before its breakup, our leaders cannot talk about these problems honestly. "[Our] weakening position in the global trading system is obvious and ominous, yet leaders in politics, business, finance and the news media are not willing to discuss candidly what is happening and why. Instead they recycle the usual bromides about the benefits of free trade and assurances that everything will work out for the best."

It is a curious thing that as the disadvantages and, indeed, perils of globalization become clearer and the subject of ever-more worried books by respected economists, the mainstream media keep treating the whole problem as though it were about a bunch of protesters in turtle costumes at the G8 summit. If it were not for Lou Dobbs on CNN, one would never even hear it mentioned on television.

Forget what the Supreme Court thinks about teaching creationism in the schools: Think about what it will contribute to the spiraling disasters of globalization by dismantling the entire economic regulatory system built up over the past 100 years. As Greider notes, "Washington defines 'national interest' primarily in terms of advancing the global reach of our multinational enterprises." Problem is, our multinational corporations increasingly work against the interests of Americans themselves. In addition to outsourcing jobs, the companies locate sham headquarters in off-shore tax havens to avoid paying taxes. The only restraints we have ever had on multinational corporations are government regulation and the right to sue the bastards for the various kinds of harm they cause. It is precisely those two forms of control that are being not just undermined but tossed out entirely by an increasingly activist right-wing judiciary.

Recommended reading: Greider's "One World, Ready Or Not"; David Korten's "When Corporations Rule the World"; and Paul Krugman's "The Great Unraveling."

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Molly Ivins writes about politics, Texas and other bizarre happenings.

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Posted by: drew on Jul 22, 2005 2:07 AM   
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these times do remind me of the romans at the time of Diocletian. Although history can be a Rorschach test and clearly subject to alternative intepretations, clearly their economy suffered from the moral and financial costs of war, they had problems of growing concentration of land in large estates and the absorption of the smaller farmers, the masses became alienated from the rulers. All were placated rather t than responding to their reality- and they faced threats from without having not established functional relations with the non- roman world. Sounds somewhat familiar.

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Bush
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 22, 2005 3:18 AM   
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Fifty years from now the president of the United States, whoever he or she may be - who by all odds hasn't even been born yet - will be dealing on a daily basis with the damage that was done by this stupid bastard so many years before. I cannot believe that this great country has sunk so low.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Is it something in the water?
Posted by: bulbman on Jul 22, 2005 4:01 AM   
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How do we explain the ostrich mentality of so many Americans? Is is cynicism or stupidity?

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Case Wagenvoord
Posted by: Wagenvoord on Jul 22, 2005 4:18 AM   
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We have always favored the false certainity over the unpleasant truth. Falsehood, because it is false, speaks with a difinitiveness that is denied truth because truth is forced to grope for its meaning. Falsehood soars while truth mucks around in the swamp of reality.

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» RE: Case Wagenvoord Posted by: gb
Blame those MBAs
Posted by: Urstrly on Jul 22, 2005 4:56 AM   
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Our education system from high school to grad school has been highjacked by corporate interests when it comes to teaching about the economy (stupid?). From Junior Achievement, a popular cohort of the Chamber of Commerce, to fancy MBA programs, we teach that an economic education is good for one thing: a huge salary. If that means most other Americans must struggle to make ends meet, spend their kids' college money on healthcare, face a shaky retirement and pay a larger percentage of their income on taxes, it's because you are smarter. Nevermind the bigger picture that our economic role in the world becomes more fragile every day. To your reading list, add Three Billion New Capitalists: The Great Shift of Wealth and Power to the East by Clyde Prestowitz. This guy worked in the Reagan Administration, and he thinks the MBA in the White House doesn't have a clue.

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» RE: Blame those MBAs Posted by: nakis
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The dreadful truth!
Posted by: BeeMan on Jul 22, 2005 5:04 AM   
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Once again, Molly, keep writing. People are listening, it's just not yet trickled up. They(the current Disministration) is just tricked up! As the great writer, Chekhov, once wrote, "Ah, but fiction is better for us than the dreadful truth!" I suspect "the architect" knows that cunning little device all too well. However, I'm beginning to believe another axiom, "Oh what a tangled web we weave when we attempt to deceive!"

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» RE: The dreadful truth! Posted by: BeeMan
The Truth Speaker
Posted by: bookwoman on Jul 22, 2005 5:38 AM   
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Once again, our beloved Molly has spoken the truth.

I blame the Dems for not putting the problems with job loss and the bad situation of our economic system up front before the 2004 election. John Edwards was talking about it, but he and his discussion about the economic problems besetting the ordinary family disappeared from view during the final two weeks of the campaign.

A recent survey showed that the majority of people interviewed think our economy is in trouble; however, they also say that their own situation is not bad. What's going on here. Its embarassing to admit that things aren't going well at home. Are these people really in good shape at home or are they hiding the problems they are facing.

One of my complaints about the jobs report is that it isn't balanced by the unemployment report. Any good accountant will tell you that you don't make up a balance sheet that shows the credits without mitigating the figures with the debits. It doesn't give a true picture of an organization's accounting situation and not reducing our job created figures with our job loss figures for the same period of time doesn't give us a true picture of what is going on with the "ordinary" working people in our country. I can't make valid decisions if you don't tell me the truth.

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Missed Opportunities
Posted by: Riverside on Jul 22, 2005 5:40 AM   
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Because our present leadership remains in denial about global warming, and about the coming energy crisis we are not able to take advantage of the opportunities these crises present. Part of this denial is tied to greed as related to close personal, financial, and political ties to the petroelum industry.

The combination of global warming and energy crises should have been an inspiration to the automotive industry to speed up the development of the fuel cell engine. Since our leadership is joined at both the head and hip to the PetrolGiants, there has been no serious support from the White House to get this ball rolling. Undeterred by the White House, Honda and Japan are making the jump which helps them and hurts us.

Safe nuclear generated power must become a reality. There are already processes that reduce by one-half the residual waste products from nucelar power plants. There are also new ideas for the use of this waste material that will further reduce its lurking presence. Much of this is in the active files of the U. S. Department of Energy, but again our leadership and its petroleum interets have stifled the funds and impetus to make this happen.

Moving on these issues will not totally cure our sick economy, but they would go a long way in giving it the resuciataion it desperately needs. I wonder if we have the courage to make these issues key topics in the elections for 2006 and 2008?

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X-Files
Posted by: 42Years on Jul 22, 2005 7:15 AM   
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The truth is out there. Once in a while someone like Molly comes along and helps us get a little closer to it. Unfortunately, the damn train is moving so fast we can't get off or change direction until we have a wreck. Fasten your seatbelts!

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The base has always been crumbling
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jul 22, 2005 7:17 AM   
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Greed is what drives the American Economic System.It's what drove us to commit genocide to take this country.It's
Greed that keeps 40% of us well below poverty level. It's Greed that fueled every war this country has ever been in.It's
Greed that forced the Natural Resources Conservation Act of
1933 which gutted family farming that was the heart of our then AG based economy for one that's run on oil. It's Greed
that allows for the outright poisining of all living things so shareholders can buy a $10,000 night stand,and it's Greed
that will bring a much needed 'Wealth Revolution' this country
has needed since the Corpies got together 140 yrs ago.

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» Greed is indeed the truth. Posted by: hopeanddespair
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Social Security Trust Fund Raided Again
Posted by: rghamilton on Jul 22, 2005 8:39 AM   
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The Denver Post reported (John Farrell - Washington Bureau - Sunday July 17, 2005) that " the projected deficit(U.S. Budget) is just $313 billion because Congress raided the Social Security system for $173 billion in surplus funds this year."

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Thanks Molly
Posted by: Ray on Jul 22, 2005 9:09 AM   
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In passing, while preparing to gain a few dimes for my survival at the local flea market, I wish to note that recently over 200,000 widows of retired men have been denied their husband's pensions by corrupt Enron type pension and retirement companies. This is not the damn values that we hold dear - picking on poor old women, throwing into the street, and even denying them the pension of their hidden labor in support of their husband's service to greedy corporations. Hundreds of years of values don't count when corrupt companies/countries decide to bleed our mothers and grandmothers of over one billion dollars. And that's only 1/7th of Iraq expenditures per month. In esence this is the same as lining these dear, sweet, nurturing Mothers and Grandmothers up against the firing squad walls and pulling the trigger. It's a selective genocide via economic starvation designed by greedy neocons.

Certainly the economic depression has hit! While Bush touts that new home ownership has grown, he simply fails to mention that over two million folks have lost their homes due to out sourced employment and subsequent equity out schemes.

And is there any wounder why between 2.1 million to 15 million new prisoners crowd our gulags. Well over a hundred years ago two German social scientists studied the relationship between unemployment/poverty and crime and imprisonment. Their findings clearily showed what we take for granted today - that as poverty rises so does crime and so does this slavemaster society's solution of imprisonment. However, slave ownership has a solution, like it does in Iraq - build more prisons and make more money off of that remedy. Create the problem and make money, then provide and false solution and make more money.

The depression has hit - just drive around and look at the homeless on the streets while your gas gage sits between 1/4th and empty.

Ray

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» RE: Thanks Molly Posted by: nakis
Stopping the tides...
Posted by: sailor50 on Jul 22, 2005 9:14 AM   
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As I look back from my middle sixties, I'm very pleased that I lived and worked in this era of the USA. This was the greatest time of any country that has ever existed. Before the USA, there was the British Empire. Who's coming up in the natural rotation of world powers? China and India, of course. Yes, a good part of our country's problems can be attributed to voter stupidity and apathy, retro Republicans, and the encumbrances of religion. Some things you can change, but not the tides. China is coming and no one can stop that.

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Thanks Again Molly
Posted by: nakis on Jul 22, 2005 10:16 AM   
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For another article calling things for what they are. Journalists like you, Moyers and a whole host of others (on this board too) that are on the neocon wanted list print such sound articles on the basic facts of what is going on.

Any moment now I expect some free trade nincompoop to post how stupid and delusional you are since all this is the fault not of the policies of the wealthy and powerful but the actions to try to keep them in rein.

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Another Nail in the Coffin
Posted by: Pooty T on Jul 22, 2005 12:40 PM   
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Peak Oil is coming, if it's not here already. Certainly I think we've reached the plateau.

All the Bush economic policies have come at the worst possible time. For when the decline of oil starts things are going to get that much uglier. At this point there's really nothing else worth talking about.

The Chinese are clearly positioning themselves for a contest. One that neither of us could possibly win.......... I'm heartbeat away from trading everything for a solar farm and a gun. Somewhere the bombs won't reach.

While I'm here I'll say this:

We need to stop talking about what our government is doing. It is truly a lost cause. Start talking about what YOU are doing. For instance:

1. Recycle your car - walk, use public transit, ride a bike.

2. Buy locally whenever possible - farmers markets, thrift stores. You'll have to research the rest.

3. Every building needs solar panels - start with yours.

4. Every town needs wind turbines - start with yours.

5. GET OUT OF DEBT FAST.

Of course nobody is going to do any of this. Have a contingency plan. Geez, I sound like a nut....

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» In fact, Pooty T.... Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Where to Find New Ideas
Posted by: Clueless at the Top on Jul 22, 2005 2:37 PM   
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Doesn't John G. Roberts, Jr. have a familiar look to him?

Now that George Bush has exposed hierarchies so vividly, many people in top groups who had been shielded from the negative effects of hierarchies are amazed. Some think that Bush is the problem, and if he is gone, our problem is over. George Bush does showcase problems of top-of-the-hierarchy perspectives in ways that are now too obvious to ignore, but the root of the problem - hierarchies - was there long before Bush.

Where do we find new ideas and new directions? Not from people whose experience with hierarchies is too new to have the wisdom to see problems and solutions clearly.

Those of us, unlike Roberts, who are not white, male, heterosexual, Christian, able-bodied, monied, educated in elite private schools, and tall have known for a long time that there is a problem with the American Dream.

If people traditionally on top have few new ideas, it's not because they are "white guys." Whoever occupies the top positions on hierarchies are somewhat clueless (this case white and male), that's the nature of hierarchies. If Hispanic women had occupied the top position in our country of hierarchies for over two centuries, they would not be the group to look to for change.

What percentage of the time does progressive media feature guests who are members of top-of-the-hierarchy groups? If we keep looking for direction from people with top-of-the-hierarchy perspectives who are new to hierarchies, we'll remain stuck.

Harriet Childress
coauthor, Clueless at the Top
www.cluelessatthetop.com

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"Sorry – But Ev'body Gotta Lose Sometime. . ."
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 22, 2005 2:39 PM   
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Don't bother talking to this government; the only way to fix this government, is to REPLACE this government (and that may not help). But we all know that won't happen: too many people won't take the time to tear themselves away from prepackaged propaganda from cable "news" and find out just how badly they're being screwed by Bush & Co. (if they knew – REALLY KNEW – millions would storm the White House with torches and pitchforks. . .), and besides, voting is kaputt! unless we stop the March of the Corporate-owned Voting Machines.

Today, I read that China is not longer going to peg the value of its currency to the dollar. This is one more item I'll check off of my list of Steps to the Bottom. We've floated our economy on debt that they hold, and now they have lost faith in the dollar. I'm waiting for the day, maybe not so far off, when they decide to "appropriate" all those nice factories we've built for them, and go after our other foreign markets themselves – after all, thanks to us, China not only makes things now, they DESIGN them too. One-stop shopping for the world. AND – they're makin' deals all over the world for the oil we think we're entitled to.

The corporations have left us, our government has plans for self-preservation (step #1: Patriot Act) that include the containment of the population when it finally learns the truth and gets really pissed off, and financial institutions are working to impoverish us in order to bring our labor costs into parity with those of the third world.

Unless something radically changes, and SOON, it will be over. We'll be over. The American Dream will be over.

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bankruptcy?
Posted by: iamjoncannon on Jul 22, 2005 2:58 PM   
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You're absolutely wrong in the assertion that Bush's bankruptcy reform will "make it impossible to escape your debt." The bill simply adds a bunch of hoops debters have to jump through in order to file, for example, going to debt counceling before they can file, and setting other restrictions. Don't be melodramatic. The bigger issue is that the Bush administration and the Rehndquist court have deregulated the credit industry and made it a lot easier for people who shouldn't have credit to get it, and creates a ton of waste in our economy which hinders growth and leads to unsustainable, and, from a moral standpoint, decadent, patterns of consumption.


On another note, in case the author herself actually reads this, you were dead wrong in the last piece about Iraq, at some point in the piece you gave a startlingly low figure for Iraqi civilian casualties. "The Lancet", a British medical journal, did a more expansive, less conservative, and, frankly, more methodologically precise estimate of civilian casulaties as the result of the invasion, and put the figure in 2003 above 30,000...98,000 if you include military and police officers.

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Research from NYT editorial????
Posted by: fjames on Jul 22, 2005 3:09 PM   
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This is a writer that uses a NYT editorial no less as fact. Maybe Molly doesn't understand that this is the OPINION of a writer. No less a nyt writer in which case we all know now has to be questioned.
Maybe for her next brilliant piece she can check with dan rather for some facts.
Religion is not being shoved down my throat and i am a rep. How about this Molly: if we can respect religions of peace like the Muslim religion than why can't we respect Christianity? It's absurd. But you do claim to write about the bizarre.

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» Say what? That's a cheap shot! Posted by: Sojourner
The Pending Economic Collapse
Posted by: Dorothy.Lorenz on Jul 22, 2005 3:20 PM   
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The other week there was lot's of press about the Chinese general who said we shouldn't consider defending Taiwan against a Chinese invasion if we hope to save LA from a nuclear attack. Well, forget nuclear attack, all they have to do is cash in their t-bills...

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The US a 3rd world country
Posted by: yesman on Jul 22, 2005 4:51 PM   
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Ms. Ivins' column couldn't be more true, unfortunately. The NEw Deal has largely already been demolished, except for Social Security, and they're working on it. The historic transfer of wealth from the American middle class to the economic elite is proceeding apace, and largely unremarked by most of the American public who are being victimized. It should also be noted that although the direct assault on the middle class (i.e., working people who could earn a decent living) commenced in earnest with Reaganomics, it continued virtually unabated for 8 years under Clinton's nominally Democratic administration. If current trends continue, in a few decades--probably within the lifetimes of most who are reading this--the US of A will closely resemble what were once known as "Third World" countries (massive national debt, grinding poverty for most with unbelievable wealth for a tiny elite, environmental devastation, harsh military rule to quash dissent, etc.). China (and perhaps India) will be the economic powerhouses with thriving economies and a secure middle class. The ironic thing is that this situation will be at least in large part the result of economic policies and decisions made by "American" corporations and their government lackeys. Shouldn't we call those who are propelling our country toward such a future traitors?

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Blame It ALL On The Perverts In Brooks Brothers Suits
Posted by: Jimmy Cee on Jul 22, 2005 6:58 PM   
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All you who have provided such incisive comments are, as usual, right-on-target, with one small exception:

Those who insist, consciously or reflexively, on referring to the USA as a "great nation" should, henceforth, correct this falsehood and speak the truth:

We WERE a 'great nation', once upon a time, perhaps; long ago and far away from where we are now.

No longer! We have eclipsed our azimuth and are waning.

Beyond any doubt, this is a FORMERLY 'great' nation.


Thank you and good night.


James Nolan Campbell
EastMeetsWestInc, LLP
Senior Partner

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Talking about growing economic inequality and woes
Posted by: Christine G on Jul 22, 2005 8:55 PM   
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As I was reading Molly Irvins column about the lack of focus/discussion on economic issues in our current public discussions/news coverages/rants, it was sad to see that her point is made by looking at what issues are tracked on Alternets homepage--nothing specifically on the economy or economic justice.

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Pity Party
Posted by: susan9390 on Jul 22, 2005 10:31 PM   
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I don't usually bother with Molly's articles because all she does is piss and moan. We can only do what we can do. There's so much shit wrong with this country that no one person can address it all, so find the cause that appeals to your heart and go with it and don't let any Molly tell you you're not doing enough. I've had to drop half of my action alerts because I was going into cognitive fibrillation. Let's hear some solutions for a change!

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» Action alerts ... Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Progressives and the working class
Posted by: RightDemocrat on Jul 22, 2005 11:55 PM   
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Molly is quite right about the threat of free trade and globalization. Workers are under attack and we need to wake up the working and middle classes. The problem is that most progressives and Democratic party activists don't speak the same language as working class Americans. We have been too focused on social issues like abortion, gun control and gay marriage. I am not saying that these issues are not important, but certainly there are more critical matters to address like protecting collective bargaining rights, Social Security, job security and access to health care. Looking down on the values of Middle America will not win us any allies. The Democratic Party must return to its traditions of economic populism and once again become the party of working Americans rather than a coalition of gun control, abortion rights and gay marriage advocates.

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The Democrats are AWOL
Posted by: pjmax on Jul 22, 2005 11:57 PM   
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Before we go on about Bush, or about the other Republicans, we should ask: Where the hell have the Democrats been in all of this? There's been hardly a peep from them. Where were they to point out that the estate tax only applied to estates that were worth well over half of a million dollars? Or that repealing it would result in many people paying more in taxes? Their silence on this, and on other economic issues, is deafening. Also, if someone goes around saying that the earth is flat, and nobody points out that it's wrong, people will eventually believe it. This is what happens when nonsense and bull go uncontested.
The Democrats are now what Bush was during his stint in the Texas Air National Guard. Namely, AWOL. Is it any wonder that gay marriage, "partial-birth" abortion, and the other "social issues" have become such political footballs? The Democrats' silence has created a vacuum that the Republicans have been hard at work filing.

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» RE: The Democrats are AWOL Posted by: magistre
Demagogues
Posted by: gddiii on Jul 23, 2005 5:32 AM   
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Too many people formulate their opinions on public policy issues and political candidates based on simplistic ideological bromides and labels. They view political and policy choices as black or white alternatives, not shades of gray. They decline, or have never tried, to engage in analytic processing of the ever-shifting kaleidoscope of facts in the real world and constant positioning and re-positioning of their own thinking within a multi-dimensional spectrum of possibilities. Thus, they are easy prey for demagogues, who employ a strategy that attacks opponents who dare to offer detailed factual data and complex assessments in effort to explain the flawed appeals of the demagogues.

Demagogues flippantly dismiss thoughtful opponents as pseudo-intellectual snobs who do not believe that “ordinary people” can think for themselves. Demagogues do not attempt to expound to the public on the merits of certain policies and proposals, but rather resort to rhetoric as a substitute for forthright discussion. They distort elements of their opponents’ intricate positions, and then exploit the inconsistency or absurdity of their own distortions. Demagogues do not respond to criticism, but instead attack their critics.

Demagogues use broad, ill-defined maxims to identify themselves as the defenders, and their opponents as the enemies, of the fundamental hopes of all people by appealing to their fears. Ultimately, though demagogues prove to be the only players on the stage who threaten the simple peace and basic sustenance which all humanity desires.

George W. Bush is a demagogue, and Karl Rove is his henchman-in-chief.

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» RE: Demagogues Posted by: SbgBJ
NEW WORLD ORDER
Posted by: Astroboy on Jul 23, 2005 6:33 AM   
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There's been something very wrong going on in this country for quite some time now.

We are allowing Bushco to divide and conquer.

And he's winning - by manipulating us to form a collective voice AGAINST him and his worshippers, his troops rally back and our attention is being displaced and misplaced. We are ALL (including, and perhaps more so, his own followers) missing what is really going on behind the facade. We MUST start looking at the Big Picture.

Bush is simply a baby step forward toward a much larger agenda of totally dismantling the United States of America AND the world, as we know it.

This is not hyperbole. When Bush Sr. said "New World Order" he f**king meant it!

There are MORE Bushes to come after he is gone, but the agenda will remain. They have been working on this plan for more than forty years.

Do not get caught up in the minutiae, for when we do, our attention is once again diverted.
One simple and glaring example: We know that the war in Iraq began under false pretenses, lies, and distortions. What was the REAL reason for the invasion?? No one asks. Some believe "oil", then leave it at that. But it's much more complex and longlasting than such a one dimentional deduction, and we are too busy "responding" to redundant turd blossoms falling onto us, ad nauseum, from the Rove Machine and his minions.

Bush is a figurehead, a token and a puppet. A puppet who is so incredibly daft that he does not even realize he has strings to be pulled. Bush is perfect, in this regard. His father knows him. His father set him up as a sacrifical lamb for a "greater good".

In time Bush Jr. will be known as the most damaging, dishonest, corrupt and (some will say) evil leader that this country has ever had. It will not matter a whit. He will have accomplished for them what they set him up to do. In this context, even Rove is being used.

Focus on the real danger looming above our heads:
The dismantling of the United States of America as we know it and the conquest of the World.

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mr
Posted by: mortonw on Jul 23, 2005 12:14 PM   
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we should stop using the phrase "anti-abortion"the repubnuts are "anti-choice"we all are anti-abortion but the liberals are for personal freedom

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» RE: mr/politically correct? Posted by: magistre
The SKy is not Falling
Posted by: FlapJackSeven on Jul 23, 2005 12:31 PM   
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The economy has never been better.

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Joel
Posted by: Joel on Jul 23, 2005 5:03 PM   
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These economic travesties are deliberately being done and most people are unfortunately unaware. Keep in mind the big picture...those planes never brought down those buildings, and this fact my friends is NEVER discussed at all!

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molly irvins is cool.
Posted by: Ace-Del-Boy on Jul 24, 2005 4:58 AM   
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the bush administration reminds me of the dotcom bubble....you know its gonna burst because it has no basis in reality..just watch for the meltdown, its gonna be big and bad.

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Conditioning
Posted by: ascot on Jul 24, 2005 11:51 AM   
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It's the programming, stupid! Our children are exposed to many hours per day of programming designed to turn them into greedy, consuming machines. Constant attacks on the public education system deprive most of the public of the tools to actually analyze what is being done to them (and by whom).

The rise of faith-based notions ranging from the origin of the universe to economics and, yes, WMDs, has discredited the view that facts should determine outcomes. Hell, we are alone in the world, clinging to the outdated Engilish system of units, an archaicism that the English discarded decades ago. Thank Reagan and his cronies for that one.

After WW2, we piled into overcrowded classrooms eager to learn about science, engineering, and economics because they were exciting fields that we might learn and make a living in. After a depression and a war, learing new stuff was exciting in and of itself. Public universities were cheap enough that it was possible to actually work one's way to a degree.

Now the cost of a quality education in real terms is much greater. A glass ceiling has been erected at about the 98th percentile. The esteem with which technology jobs are regarded is declining. More importantly, more are asking, "What can I get?" rather than, "What can I do?". Except for the foreign students, of course. They find technology to be at least as exciting as we did a generation or so ago.

The way to minimize the damage is to increase the awareness of the real (including life-cycle) costs and the real benefits of our choices.

If the military cost of assuring a supply of gasoline comes to a few dollars per gallon (probably not a bad guess), then we should factor that into the pump price and understand the consequences of our choices whether our dollars (and lives) are being spent now or later.

We need to get smart, wake up, and spread the word.

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Nobody to blame but ourselves
Posted by: auntiegrav on Jul 24, 2005 4:50 PM   
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There was a boldface quote in our paper a while back about the rise of China as a strong factor in economics; "There is no historic precedent to the rise of a country this vast and this rapid..." -Charles Barshefsky
I disagree with him. America's cotton and tobacco and sugar industries were even faster rising, if we consider the scale of communications and travel speeds vs the modern age. The difference, and the similiarity, is that instead of Chinese cheap labor being taken advantage of under the guise of 'free' trade, the biggest economic factor in America's rise was slave labor, under the guise of property'.
We accuse China of human rights violations and environmental destruction, while they are merely acting as slavers, enabling our demands for cheap goods and unnecessary luxuries.
I read a comparison in an agricultural or economic website which said that our use of petroleum is equivalent to each American having 100 slaves at their service. I apologize for the crassness of this comparison, but I use it to try and put a scale on the size of the American desire for someone or something else to magically serve their needs. It goes along with a saying about labor unions which I think
applies to modern America: "The only thing worse than doing an American's job for him is to make him do it himself."
If a human's job is to survive, what will Americans do when the oil is out of reach? What did America do when slaves were legally out of reach? They reached for oil and automation, and they reached overseas for low-wage slaves.
We need to start doing things ourselves, and getting used to doing less, and doing it by hand.

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» Well said indeed, Auntie Gray. Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Solutions to save some of us
Posted by: auntiegrav on Jul 24, 2005 4:54 PM   
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In working as a patent developer and engineer, I found that the real way to fight the corruption of our society is not through overt action. It is not with guns. It is not with politics. It is by doing less and living simply. Every person that works for a corporation should know that whatever salary they make, the corporation makes at least twice that amount in profit, or they wouldn't be employed. Corporations don't pay taxes. People do, by getting paid less and paying more for products.
By quitting and becoming a farmer, I have taken approximately 1,000,000 dollars a year from the corporations (my job was to make money for them with the employees I supervised, and to build machines for their processes).

We only need to do this:

Buy less, buy local, buy only what you need. Work less, turn off the TV.

Every person who realizes that profits come from their backs and their future can fight this mess in the simplest way possible: by saving money and saving their own lives. It doesn't mean everyone has to become a farmer. Most of the corporations make their billions and trillions on the time we work overtime to pay for jetskis, motorcycles, sports events, gas to go to Disneyworld, and plastic packaged foods.
It's too late to save TWAWKI (the world as we know it), but it isn't too late to be humans.

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» Again, Antiegrav ... Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Scary version?
Posted by: pb120669 on Jul 25, 2005 5:54 PM   
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Well, yes, indeed, for sure, we're living the analogue of Diocletian's time. But the scary version? The empire don't crash and burn. Those in power -- after filling their pockets with our taxes in this colossal boondoggle that is the "War On A Noun" -- entrench themselves deeply and comfortably enough that we can't salvage this (failing) democratic experiment. How can they do that? Well, pretty much the way they're doing it now. Keep defunding public schools to abomination, replace it with a "military education," enshrine "The Troop" as "The Ulitmate Patriot," route out those damnable socialists (and any of that ilk, including liberals, trade unionists, teachers, etc.), obliterate the Bill of Rights, etc. (I'd go on, but this is danged depressing.) I used to think, "No way, they could never kill the Bill." But this Terrorism thing is an incredible drug. Better than TV. It inspires Fear. It does in me too -- I'm just scared of the ones we got around here. Factor in that the Oil is going to run out at some point...then it gets really scary.

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Molly Ivans Is