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Rove's Most Telling Words

By Michael Tomasky, The American Prospect. Posted July 21, 2005.


'He's a Democrat' -- with those three words now revealed, Karl Rove's partisanship is a matter of fact. Other Republicans should be ashamed of him -- and themselves.
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Tom Hamburger and Peter Wallsten of the Los Angeles Times reported on July 18 that top White House aides were in a state of mania around this time two years ago, "intensely focused on discrediting" Joseph Wilson after he wrote his now-famous New York Times op-ed piece.

Hamburger's and Wallsten's sources tell them that Karl Rove's animus toward Wilson was so intense that curiosity arose within the White House about it. When asked about this, Rove reportedly said, "He's a Democrat."

I do not understand why some things get this town upset while others don't, but those three words should make any honorable patriot of either party both furious and ashamed. Wilson spent two decades in his country's service -- in diplomatic postings in Africa, chiefly, but also at the National Security Council, and in Baghdad leading up to and during the Gulf War of 1991. Former Secretary of State James Baker once thanked him for his "outstanding service to the nation," and the current president's father was equally effusive in a late-1990 telegram to Wilson in Baghdad.

But to Rove, that service and those testimonials meant nothing. Rove had someone run Wilson's Federal Election Commission sheet and noticed, according to the Los Angeles Times story cited above, that Wilson's campaign donations "leaned toward Democrats." That was true. And that was enough: Nail him. Even though -- get this -- Wilson had donated $1,000 to the Bush campaign in 1999!

And all this, of course, is putting aside Valerie Plame's service to the nation -- another two decades of work, dangerous work, on behalf of administrations Republican and Democratic. And finally, don't forget, there's the question -- little discussed so far, but one on which I trust prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is gathering information -- of whether any of our human assets overseas whom Plame had cultivated in her years of work were harmed after Robert Novak's column was published.

For years now the right has practiced a partisanship more intense than that practiced by either party in the last 100 years. There's no need to describe it in detail here; everyone reading this knows its basic contours. But this scandal raises the question anew: Exactly what does someone in the Bush administration need to do before some Republican stands up and says enough?

Because so far, I can't think of a single Republican official or conservative commentator who has even acknowledged that Rove's conversation with Matt Cooper may have been the least bit problematic. No GOP elected official has breathed a word of doubt. Over at The Corner, they're turning somersaults trying to prove that Cooper's language may have meant this and not that, or running interviews with Robert Luskin that actually introduce no information that bears on the facts of the case, which other Cornerites then bray "proves" Rove's innocence.

At The Weekly Standard -- which in 2001 boasted of the "Responsibility President" -- it's the same duck-and-cover routine, led by a lengthy Scrapbook item trying to debunk Wilson's credibility. They never acknowledge the remotest possibility that Rove might have done something untoward.

And, of course, they never will, which is the Watergate-paradigm idea. The conventional wisdom is that Richard Nixon might never have fallen if his own party hadn't given up on him, if Barry Goldwater and some other GOP leaders hadn't gone to him and advised him to throw in the towel. So if they just hold the line now, and make it seem like Wilson is a liar and the evil liberals will stoop to anything to nail poor Rove, their man will survive.

Maybe he will. Fitzgerald may have something to say about that, and I think we can see that he doesn't care what anybody thinks. In the absence of political integrity such as that displayed by Goldwater in 1974, there is such a thing as evidence, and evidence, even in this irrational town, is sometimes enough.

But in the meantime, it's a pathetic thing to watch supposedly respectable conservative intellectuals act like they're running for the editorship of Pravda in 1921. And when an agent who's presumably risked her life for this country has been exposed. I thought that was the kind of thing these people cared about. But not, I guess, when her husband is "a Democrat."

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Michael Tomasky is the American Prospect’s executive editor.

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More aspects of the Rove scandal
Posted by: dearkitty on Jul 21, 2005 3:16 AM   
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I agree with this article that Rove's partisanship is a major aspect of the Rove-Valerie Plame scandal.

However, there are more sides to it, of which I'd say the lies to lie the people of the USA into the Iraq war is the most important.

More on the Rove scandal: here.

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Double Standard
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 21, 2005 3:26 AM   
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Had a Clinton administration official (say, Paul Begala?) exposed the idenity of a CIA worker, the half-wits who today comprise the professional republican party would have hung him out to dry. This is only the tip of the iceberg, kids. Stay tuned.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Another Rove quote that sums up his beliefs & delusions
Posted by: survivor on Jul 21, 2005 3:59 AM   
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"It's not a lie, it's reality and we control reality."

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Fitzgerald
Posted by: AmericanVictim on Jul 21, 2005 4:20 AM   
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WEll maybe Fitzgerald will set an example for those conservatives with any shred of integrity left in them, that this is not a partisan issue.

I think we need to hammer this point to the people over and over again, that it was Karl Rove that divided this country.

No, i don't agree with Karl Rove or what he's done to this country, but I will give him credit as to his wit and ability to accomplish so much division by being so deviant and bad manners.

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» RE: Fitzgerald Posted by: diof09
» RE: Fitzgerald Posted by: monkeywrench
Politicians are different animals
Posted by: kabac55 on Jul 21, 2005 6:13 AM   
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Rove's comment about Wilson being a Democrat points out so clearly a big difference between being a politican and a statesperson and the dangers of having a major presidential advisor who has not any experience in government or the civil service. While a politician is playing a game to win often at all costs, the statesperson will weigh many sides of an issue and work towards what he/she hopes will be an outcome that benefits the individuals and the country.

A political commentator once used the phrase, "certifiable adults" regarding some legislators who were willing to work towards a compromise on some issue. Karl Rove is like an amoral bully on the playground at elementary school. I guess some people sadly never grow up.

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Don't worry, all will be revealed...
Posted by: ggmurray on Jul 21, 2005 6:54 AM   
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This Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson story is just the tip of the iceberg. The ill-feeling generated by Rove and those like him, the shame of purposeful division, all will come to light. More people will come forth, more stories, more reasons for Americans of all political persuasions to reclaim our country.

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Debasing the Discussion
Posted by: Wacre on Jul 21, 2005 8:21 AM   
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What I consider amazing is not that Carl Rove lied or even that he appears to be a vicious, amoral SOB when his interests are threatened; or even that his actions undermine the susposed "War on Terror"--in and of itself an excuse for unbridled military aggression and ever increasing defense spending against an essentially 'invisible' enemy--initiated by the Bush Administration and cheered on by an equally amoral (some would say cowardly, for the most part) press corp.

No, what bothers me most is how others seek to justify actions what are are at the very least criminal; and at the worse treasonous.

If such actions were committed by a Democratic Administration there would already be hearings and calls for impeachment echoing loudly throughout Washington.

And on that point I would rather have my President having sex with an intern (which is rather sleazy; and while I don't advocate it, at least there is no accompanying body count) .

While I don't want to directly compare George Bush to Hitler (only because such a comparison is unfair because the scale of what Hitler did and from what I know about the man there was little doubt who was running things) I would imagine that members of his government and partisans outside of it were saying similar things.

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Is Rove all that different?
Posted by: LeonDion on Jul 21, 2005 9:02 AM   
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I've been considering the relationship between the Republican Party and the United States of America for the past few years now, and while I'm not making an accusations, I'd like to offer up something to ponder:

It's not impossibile to believe that the inner core of the Republican Party has a set of loyalties which they hold above those towards America and the American people as a whole, and that Rove was simply acting upon those loyalties.

Consider the 'economic warfare' being fought by the super-rich against the average Joe. Americans on average have been suffering a decline in their standard of living for the past 20 or 30 years, while "it's never been better to be rich", to paraphase Warren Buffet. The Party has, whenever possible, acted to pursue the interests of the rich, above those of everyone else.

Consider the evisceration of our constitutional rights by a Republican-controlled government. Consider the tremendous controversies surrounding 9/11 itself - that it was forknown, or even an inside job.

Consider how this Republican administration defrauded the United States in order to start a war which is proving to be highly profitable for Republican-owned corporations.

I could bring up many specific examples, but it's not any one action by the Republican Party, or those of the rank-and-file members. Rather, it's the overall whole of the actions of the highest reaches of the Republican leadership.

The conclusion may be that the inner circle of the Republican Party is more loyal to The Party and its ideals, than to America as a whole.

Constitutionally, the purpose of the federal government is to pursue the general welfare of the United States. (See The Constitution of the United States) In what way does the Republican Party leadership show any interest in the general welfare? Karl Rove is so often described as "brilliant". At what point do his actions, and those of his Party, cross the line from mere irresponsibility to outright betrayal?

I would not be surprised to hear the "T"-word brought to bear aganist people like Rove, soon enough. Hey, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

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» Uh, Wacre my friend... Posted by: HeidiLockwood
» RE: Is Rove all that different? Posted by: LouisFallert
Off With His Head
Posted by: nakis on Jul 21, 2005 9:16 AM   
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Sorry, this is not in any way shape or form an arguement or any attempt to prove or disprove guilt. And I am not advocating voilence to solve the problem. I refer to dismemberment as a complete breakdown of the man's power.

In the words of the Red Queen " Off with his head!"

The man is guilty. We all know it. Guilty of this crime and many crimes against the state. For political partisonship and power he has lied, corrupted, cajoled, used criminal influence, etc... . That is not to say he is alone in this act.
And this is not partison as there are many Democrats cut of the same cloth in our government.
This is just the voicing of being fed up with the lies, misleads, criminal actions, treason, crimes against humanity especially committed by this administration and how they get away with it.

Off with his head. Not the true path of justice no. Not the higher road no. Not moral or ethical no. But neither is the man, his boss (I do mean the president, no really) and all the little monsters that work for them.
Not a productive post no. But where do sound and well reasoned arguements get you when lies, disinformation and corruption are used against truth and justice?

Off with the fat fearful man's head.

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La Vieja
Posted by: LaVieja on Jul 21, 2005 9:24 AM   
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Since the NeoCons coopted everything, they have rationalized what they do Using the Ends to Justify the Means.

That has always been false and anyone who has studied Logic knows it.

The ejm formula allowed them - even if they weren't "hands on" with 911 - to hold the door for al Qaeda. Anyone who connects all the dots of the Summer and Autumn of 2001 can see there's way too much cognitive dissonance in the process. All the "arrangements" would've been through the backdoor guys who know some other backdoor guys who know some other double-agents who know some other triple agents who hang around in, who knew, Pakistan . . . ?

American jurisprudence requires evidence; there will be no paper trail . . . if, and only if (there's that Logic again) someone in the process pulls an Ellsberg, the truth will NEVER be known.

Who's going to stick his or her neck out like that when creatures like Rove pull all the strings? It's counterintuitive; it's literal suicide. What might Valerie have learned, had she continued in her clandestine occupation? Maybe her own survival and that of Joseph Wilson are less in doubt because she was rendered powerless in this situation.

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» RE: La Vieja Posted by: Royaras
Democracy working?
Posted by: rnagisetty on Jul 21, 2005 9:38 AM   
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It is very depressing to see that Bush and Rove can do whatever they want. Despite the failures in Iraq and the Economy. 47% still like what W is doing. The poor who take it on their chin everyday support these thieves and swindlers.
I ask why? There are no good Republicans, those who believed in democracy, freedom of expression, and fiscal responsibility, left in this country. Democrats have forsaken the working class having tatsed the fruits of corporate friendship. There is not so much difference between Bush and Kerry as far as wars go. Both parties are pro-war and pro national security. Our national security requires that we station troops all over the world and fight wars everyday in some part or parts of the globe. Other people be they Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Persians have no rights other than what we allow them. This is unmitigated evil as Guantanamo and Abu Graib attest to that. Soviet system was horrendous and rightfully we despised it but now we have become very close to what we despise. Soviets controlled just Russia and the neighborhood. We control the whole globe. Soviets placed their stooges in control of each East European country and we are doing it on a global level. World has endured periods of bleakness before,
the Hitler Period , the Stalinist Period, the days of Slavery and KKK, the extermination of Natives. We survived them, thank God. I pray to the Almighty to bring this current Evil to its end soon.

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evidence needed
Posted by: balefried on Jul 21, 2005 9:46 AM   
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To convict Rove, we need evidence right? I was wondering if (according to KR) the person Rove 'had heard' Valerie Plame worked for the CIA was John Bolton? His asking about US citizens before his nomination that Dems are curious about, and subsequent refusal from the White House to disclose those documents to the Senate Confirmation committee leads me to wonder if one of the names is/was Valerie Wilson/Plame, and it just 'happened' to find its way to the puppetmaster's ears? Maybe the spec. prosecutor needs to subpoena those papers...
The hydra has many heads, but if you cut them off all at once, the beast dies. One at a time, however, and 2 more grow in its place.

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"Evil Genius? No – Just an Asshole with Power"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 21, 2005 10:08 AM   
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Of course Joseph Wilson's loyal service to both Democratic and Republican administrations meant nothing to Rove. That's because Rove, despite his exalted station in government, is developmentally retarded. He has been locked in the mental state of an immature schoolyard bully for most of his life –– and like most bullies, who lack REAL courage, he prefers to stab people in the back, and then run and hide when he's caught.

I'm tired of hearing him described as an "evil genius." He's no genius; he simply operates without the ethical constraints that allow the rest of us to coexist in relative harmony. That he is the svengali behind Bush's presidency is one of the most destructive and frightening developments in two centuries of American politics. His immunity from society's rules while in a position of power is proof that we have failed; that democracy has failed.

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Dirty tricks
Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 21, 2005 10:10 AM   
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We all believe a person should fight for what they believe. We don't believe that is an unconditional right.

Watergate was about dirty tricks. Irangate was about dirty tricks. And the Iraq war is one huge dirty trick on the American people.

Our American problem is that we have no leadership whose hands are clean enough to condemn dirty tricks. Without dirty tricks no one can become a leader.

It's a sad commentary on the state of democracy and the integrity of the American people that we cannot tell the difference between a liar and a person of good will.

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Well, Isn't he a Democrat?
Posted by: FlapJackSeven on Jul 21, 2005 11:56 AM   
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If Karl Rove had not correctly identified Wilson's party affiliation they would have accused him of lying. Since he told the truth, HE'S EVIL!

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Republicans are still stinging from Clinton
Posted by: ccbite on Jul 21, 2005 12:59 PM   
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Maybe this is simplifying it too much, but the more I think about this administration and what lengths it will go to 'win' at all costs, the more I see their actions as revenge for the lying and legal hairsplitting that Clinton did about Monica Lewinsky. Clinton shouldn't have done it. Unfortunately, he let his hubris and pride get in the way and now we're feeling the wrath of it. Don't get me wrong. I am in no way equating Clinton's lie with Bush's lies about the war, but in the Republican mind I think they believe a lie is a lie is a lie regardless of context. And instead of taking the high road and being non-partisan (as Bush so promised in his 1999 campaign to unite the country), they used the Clinton lies to justify lowering of the bar with lies, spin and hairsplitting of their own. Just look at the words/messages that Rove puts in Bush's speeches ('you are either for or against us', etc.) and it isn't surprising he outed Wilson's wife. These are very vindictive people. One question to everybody out there: why/how has Novak escaped this?

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Rove/Bush strategy
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Jul 21, 2005 1:41 PM   
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From the beginning, the Bush Administration's modus operandi has been "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullshit."

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Saintperle
Posted by: Saintperle on Jul 21, 2005 5:03 PM   
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If Karl Rove were a dog, Animal Control would have him put down. (Is that a fleck of foam I see at the edge of his mouth?)

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So what else is new?
Posted by: froggeymonkey on Jul 21, 2005 7:59 PM   
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Karl Rove has been employing these same tactics since Bush was governor of Texas. He even bugged his own office and blamed it on the democrats. This time I hope his tactics backfire on him, but I doubt it!

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» RE: So what else is new? Posted by: cottontail
I'm switching parties
Posted by: fjames on Jul 22, 2005 6:41 PM   
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Rove called someone a dem? Unbelieveable. It's hard to find substance here at the Alter, but finally there's a FACT. Rove quoted calling the dedicated abassador/author a dem. Inconcieveable. I can no longer belong to a party that is so partisan. I now throw my support to:
Robert KKK Byrd
Ted 'chappaquiddick' Kennedy
Tom 'my wife happens to be a lobbyisy' Daschle
Barbara Boxer...No not her
Bill 'impeached purgerer' Clinton
Sandy 'i stole classifiedied docs' Berger
Hilary 'i'm a closet socialist' Clinton
Al 'charcoal grills should be outlawed' Gore
John 'stand for nothing' Kerry
I feel better already.

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» RE: I'm switching parties Posted by: Sigil
Why go after Rove?
Posted by: boxcutter/daisycutter on Jul 23, 2005 11:40 PM   
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Let's not waste too mauch energy ousting Rove. He's already got his buy in a second term in the nation's highest office. With deepest apologies to our Japanese friends, going after Rove now would be like shooting down the Enola Gay after it already dropped the bomb. You might feel better, but the plane has done the one thing it set out to.

And by the way, stop waffling on the name (Plamegate, Plame Affair, Plame/Rove/Novack etc.) thing. It's Rovegate now.

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