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She's right. By reading news coverage of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor's retirement, you wouldn't even know that moderate Republicans exist. A July 12 opinion piece in USA Today reads: "Now as Bush considers how he will fill the first Supreme Court vacancy to occur on his watch, he is under pressure from conservative Republicans and liberal Democrats to name someone to their liking." According to a July 13 Voice of America article: "Special interest groups on both ends of the political spectrum have been mobilizing for a Supreme Court confirmation fight for years." And a July 15 story in Human Events, a conservative weekly, says, "All told, liberal and conservative special interests could spend upwards of $50 million by the time a nominee is confirmed by the Senate."
Why aren't moderate groups -- of which there are many -- receiving as much attention as groups like People for the American Way, the Christian Coalition or Planned Parenthood?
"We are not spending our time doing a lot of loud screaming on the outside," says Stone. "Instead, we're working directly with the senators who will be swing votes."
Republicans for Choice, a group with 150,000 members in all 50 states, is lobbying moderate Republicans to fight for a "moderate, thoughtful" Supreme Court justice who will "uphold a woman's right to choose."
Stone says that so far the female candidates mentioned to replace Justice Sandra Day O'Connor are "horrible," while three of the male candidates, including Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, are "close to acceptable; [Gonzales is] the only one that is remotely pro-choice," she says. "We're not even sure that he's 100 percent pro-choice, but he's been moderate in his decisions." As far as the other two candidates go, Stone is "afraid to give their names because that would ensure they would not get nominated, especially after the smear campaign against Gonzalez from the right."
If Bush names a justice who is in favor of outlawing abortion, Stone believes moderates will leave the party in droves. "People are becoming very upset," she says. "A lot of the people who have already left the party are only giving money to us."
The next Supreme Court Justice's opinion on Roe v. Wade is also the main concern for Republican Majority for Choice (RMC), a moderate Republican group that endorses the "big tent" philosophy of inclusion and tolerance on social issues. "This is the most important decision that has ever been made for this organization," says Kellie Ferguson, RMC Executive Director. "We've done polling after polling that shows the majority of Republicans support women making decisions, not the government."
For now, the RMC is spending its resources on a judicial task force of attorneys who have been researching potential Supreme Court nominees and sharing their findings with moderate Republican senators. "Spending a lot of money up front is a waste," says Ferguson. "This vote is with the Senators and we need to focus our attention on targeting them."
Ferguson says four to five Republican Senators are close to 100 percent pro-choice; another handful support family planning. "We believe members who are not pro-choice will be hesitant to confirm a conservative nominee because there are so many ramifications involved."
RMC works with Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America on legislative issues, but they part ways when it comes to endorsing specific candidates. RMC is working on a game plan if the President decides to nominate a justice who is similar to Clarence Thomas or Antonin Scalia.
Another group that has rarely been quoted on the Supreme Court justice issue is Republican Main Street Partnership (RMSP), an organization that reaches out to disenfranchised Republicans and fights for issues including stem cell research and the Endangered Species Act. "Moderates, of course, are not the ones who are out there first with all the rhetoric," says Sarah Chamberlain Resnick, RMSP executive director. "We're working behind the scenes with Senators."
Chamberlain Resnick says the group, which works with 68 politicians in the House and Senate and 8500 members in almost every state, is hoping Bush endorses "someone who is in a similar mind frame" of Justice Sandra Day O'Connor. "We realize the President will choose a conservative," says Chamberain Resnick. "We just hope it's a conservative we can live with."
If Bush chooses a conservative the group can't live with, it is prepared to take action. "The moderate wing of the party will not stay quiet," says Chamberlain Resnick. "We do have some donors who are ready."
Moderates who run blogs and newsgroups are also weighing in on the issue, but they, too, are finding it difficult to get widespread attention. "It's people like me, who aren't marching down the street, that nobody ever hears about," says David Griffith, a member of the Republican for Integrity newsgroup. Griffith broke ranks with the Republican party last February to become the spokesman for Republicans for Kerry in Oregon. "If W decides to knowingly nominate a candidate who has a history of allowing their personal political or religious views to influence and bias their decisions, then he will have a fight on his hands -- and rightly so."
"Many moderates are fed up, but are afraid to speak out. We're trying to make people aware that we exist and have strong views," says 23-year-old Jeremy Dibbell, a member of the Centrist Coalition. Dibbell, who voted for John Kerry in 2004 but still considers himself a moderate Republican, started the blog Charging RINO (Republican in Name Only) in March. Since then, a number of moderate Republican blogs have been created, and almost all of them have similar views on the next Supreme Court justice.
"Conservatives often say they don't want an activist judge. Neither do we, but we don't want an activist judge from either side. Activist judges come from both sides and that's not often articulated," says Dibbell. "I don't anticipate a pro-choice justice, but he or she should understand that Roe is law. If Roe v. Wade is overturned, it will be a knockdown drag-out brawl and that's not healthy. We need a justice like O'Connor who can see both sides and understand the consequences of the decisions they make."
Not all moderate Republicans are as hopeful. "If the President nominates Alberto Gonzales, he'll lose support from the religious right," says Michael Cudahy, a political writer and former national campaign staff member for President George H.W. Bush. Cudahy, a moderate Republican who also voted for John Kerry in 2004, says President Bush is "one of the most pig headed, willful people I've ever met in my life. I think he's going see this as an opportunity to craft his legacy and I think he perceives his legacy as a social conservative. Here's his chance to take over the fourth branch of government. That's very disturbing, but I do believe that's what he's going to do."
Rose Aguilar is a San Francisco-based journalist gathering stories from people living in states that voted overwhelmingly for George W. Bush. Track her journey at Stories in America.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 19, 2005 2:10 AM
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My advise to any "young republican" I meet is always: "Take your party back"!
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Posted by: expat in tokyo on Jul 19, 2005 5:37 AM
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Once upon a time there was a dream called America, and that dream brought together those from all folds of the political realm. But now that dream has been stolen from us by those who minipulate the media and make us into "blue states" and "red states". If we are ever to see that dream again we must rise above this nightmare and work together to bring forth real change. Until then.. Divide and conquer will be the status quo.. As Lincoln (and the Bible) once said... A House Dived Will Not Stand.
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Posted by: Pepper on Jul 19, 2005 6:19 AM
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I have been alienated from my party and the dems are weak and indecisive with no courage with the exception of Henry Reid of Nevada. He is the only dem I could vote for in a pinch, but none of the others. Howard Dean was close and I probably would have voted for him. But Kerry was again, wishy washy with political "let me say what you want to hear" kind of campain.
I hate the neocons more than the liberals which is going a long way and am now more along those lines than the current administration. I just hope we can come together as a group because it sure is getting lonely out here. LOL
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Posted by: izzie on Jul 19, 2005 7:31 AM
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The author is right. I _never_ hear from moderates in the news. Problem is, they don't have a backbone and would probably never put up a fight like the left tries to do with conservative Democrats.
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I am rooting for Janice Rogers Brown. She is a true intellectual who believes that the individual should be more powerful than the state.
I know that liberals hate her and all conservative judges. But who sided with the sick in Raich v ashcroft/Gonzales (medical marijuana)? Conservatives, members of the court who strictly interpret the constitution. It is always the moderates who give away your liberties for a shot at a page one photo in the New york Times. Who sided with homeowners recently in what turned out to be the worst ruling in supreme court history? Conservatives.
I hope that AlterNet readers will think a little before responding. Our country hasn't been 'free' since the great depression. Look at our history prior to that. We had a great lifestyle packed with freedom and wealth (one does not come without the other). Remember the flappers? It was after the New Deal that life got complicated. It was government intervention since the turn of the century that screwed up the economy.
I can't wait to see the insipid, venomous, unreasoned responses to this one! It makes being a conservative fun. yipee!!
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Posted by: thirdmg on Jul 19, 2005 8:10 AM
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Although I've been a Democrat and a liberal all of my adult life, I come from a Republican family and I've known a lot of moderate Republicans. They are reasonable and rational people. It's not only possible to work with them, it's now an absolute necessity if we're ever going to free this country from the right-wing lunatic fringe.
My only concern about moderate Republicans is that they too often remain loyal to their party even when that loyalty becomes indefensible and misguided. If they ever remove their loyalty in large numbers, the radical right will fall.
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Posted by: birdman on Jul 19, 2005 8:28 AM
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The Democratic Party (at official levels -- not talking about street level here) is now what used to be the Republican Party, most of which was made up of what we now call "moderate" Republicans.
The Republican Party is now actually the American Nazi Party. Remember, most of what the official Republicans state as their world view is almost exactly what Hitler stated, right down to the Christian nation stuff.
Old line Democrats are either on the sidelines or are hanging out at the Green Party buffet, checking things out.
The Green Party, in the meantime is ... well, poverty-stricken for openers. Which means that unless they use the Republican strategy of taking over the cheap seats (city council, school board, that sort of thing) for the next half-century, they're not going to get anywhere in the current money-driven politics.
However, when the U.S. economy finally tanks spectacularly -- as it must, being built on sand, including the sands of Arabia -- perhaps there won't be enough money left to rule politics, and a new politics can emerge.
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Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Jul 19, 2005 9:46 AM
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There's a Republicans for Choice organization ... and boo - hoo ... that awful left wing media bias doesn't give them a fair shake at soliciting contributions from moderates of good will ....
And who's their idea of a Moderate justice? Gonzales, maybe ... or some other pro-business, anti-regulation, personal friend of the President to be named at a future date ...
Just send the money now!
Hey, if it draws funding away from other Republican fund raising promotions --
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Posted by: drmeow on Jul 19, 2005 2:28 PM
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I would like to eliminate “Republican” and “Democrat” completely and substitute a little truth in advertising. If I’m going to be called a communist or a socialist (both words I’m proud to be called - FDR was quite the socialist - but that have become insults and "evil" in the US), then I want the iana_gheddis420’ of this world to be called the fascists that they are. Instead of adjectives attached to inaccurate labels, let's adopt more accurate labels: reactionary conservative, moderate conservative, moderate, moderate progressive, radical progressive. Since they don't fit any of those groups, I guess that would make the current administration oligarchists.
A third party will be largely ineffective as long as we continue to have our “winner take all” system. Don’t scoff at the “Republican strategy of taking over the cheap seats (city council, school board, that sort of thing)” - it can make a difference. Since the majority of Americans tend to be moderate in much the same vein as Pepper (i.e., I don’t want my taxes to be any higher than they have to be but I do want to protect my country in the form of the infrastructure, education, and a safety net and I want the government to keep out of my personal life), it wouldn’t take as long for saner voices to take over the local governments and, from there, the state and national ones, as it took the pseudo-conservatives who currently dominate politics.
Don’t blame the lack of media coverage of the moderates on their not having a backbone - remember that the current US media is controlled by the oligarchists and the historic curtain between the owners and the editorial staff has not existed for years (i.e., you WILL NOT publish anything the owners disagree with). It is not in their best interest to give a voice to any moderates unless they can also denigrate them or make them look like fools or problems. Besides, screaming and yelling and making a stink in the media won’t help if laws are quietly being passed that will destroy us. The reality is that we have a corrupt, money-driven political system and sometimes it takes quietly going to individual members of Congress and threatening them with the loss of money and, with it, power to save our butts in the short run so that we can be around here and free long enough to save our butts for the long term.
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Posted by: iana_gheddis420 on Jul 19, 2005 2:44 PM
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In 2006, you (liberals) stand a good chance of losing Sarbanes, You are probably losing, Feinstein, Jeffords, and Byrd. You May lose Kohl, Akaka, Bill Nelson, Cantwell, Carper, Lautenberg, Snowe (wears an “R”, but dems will suffer more in her absence), And you may lose Ben Nelson, Lieberman (the sane one), Stabenow, Levin, Inouye, Mikulski, Kennedy, Clinton, Corzine (for NJ Gov), and Bingaman. Most due to age, the other to being ripe targets.
And you are doing exactly what the GOP needs you to do. Sit here and critique the winners while being very careful to not note what led to their massive sucess.
Now I can sleep soundly.
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Posted by: Edward George on Jul 19, 2005 3:48 PM
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A better question is what to do about it. The internet is serving much of that purpose but real people are still not really getting together and conversing. They are afraid of their neighbors because they don't know them. They are even afraid to use their real names on the internet. "Houswives" (they could just as well be house husbands) aren't having coffee clatches during the day because nobody's home. Two incomes are necessary to support the modern life style. No coffee clatches, no block parties. We Americans are working hundreds of hours more per year than any other "first world" country, corporations don't have to hire more people and are socking away enormous surpluses. We eager beavers build bigger and bigger beaver lodges, don't have time to enjoy them and don't have time to think about how stupid we are. Anybody want to describe what they are doing to outwit the glories of capitalism's heaven?
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They have become so power hungry, that they've devised a scheme to take over this country using Politics,Religion and Money, and who has more money that Republicans.
The "con" is on, and the inducted are many, so It's not a Party that is in Default, but a People.
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My advise to any "young republican" I meet is always: "Take your party back"!
Tom Degan
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Posted by: expat in tokyo on Jul 19, 2005 5:37 AM
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Once upon a time there was a dream called America, and that dream brought together those from all folds of the political realm. But now that dream has been stolen from us by those who minipulate the media and make us into "blue states" and "red states". If we are ever to see that dream again we must rise above this nightmare and work together to bring forth real change. Until then.. Divide and conquer will be the status quo.. As Lincoln (and the Bible) once said... A House Dived Will Not Stand.
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Posted by: Pepper on Jul 19, 2005 6:19 AM
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I have been alienated from my party and the dems are weak and indecisive with no courage with the exception of Henry Reid of Nevada. He is the only dem I could vote for in a pinch, but none of the others. Howard Dean was close and I probably would have voted for him. But Kerry was again, wishy washy with political "let me say what you want to hear" kind of campain.
I hate the neocons more than the liberals which is going a long way and am now more along those lines than the current administration. I just hope we can come together as a group because it sure is getting lonely out here. LOL
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The author is right. I _never_ hear from moderates in the news. Problem is, they don't have a backbone and would probably never put up a fight like the left tries to do with conservative Democrats.
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Posted by: iana_gheddis420 on Jul 19, 2005 7:58 AM
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I am rooting for Janice Rogers Brown. She is a true intellectual who believes that the individual should be more powerful than the state.
I know that liberals hate her and all conservative judges. But who sided with the sick in Raich v ashcroft/Gonzales (medical marijuana)? Conservatives, members of the court who strictly interpret the constitution. It is always the moderates who give away your liberties for a shot at a page one photo in the New york Times. Who sided with homeowners recently in what turned out to be the worst ruling in supreme court history? Conservatives.
I hope that AlterNet readers will think a little before responding. Our country hasn't been 'free' since the great depression. Look at our history prior to that. We had a great lifestyle packed with freedom and wealth (one does not come without the other). Remember the flappers? It was after the New Deal that life got complicated. It was government intervention since the turn of the century that screwed up the economy.
I can't wait to see the insipid, venomous, unreasoned responses to this one! It makes being a conservative fun. yipee!!
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Posted by: thirdmg on Jul 19, 2005 8:10 AM
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Although I've been a Democrat and a liberal all of my adult life, I come from a Republican family and I've known a lot of moderate Republicans. They are reasonable and rational people. It's not only possible to work with them, it's now an absolute necessity if we're ever going to free this country from the right-wing lunatic fringe.
My only concern about moderate Republicans is that they too often remain loyal to their party even when that loyalty becomes indefensible and misguided. If they ever remove their loyalty in large numbers, the radical right will fall.
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Posted by: birdman on Jul 19, 2005 8:28 AM
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The Democratic Party (at official levels -- not talking about street level here) is now what used to be the Republican Party, most of which was made up of what we now call "moderate" Republicans.
The Republican Party is now actually the American Nazi Party. Remember, most of what the official Republicans state as their world view is almost exactly what Hitler stated, right down to the Christian nation stuff.
Old line Democrats are either on the sidelines or are hanging out at the Green Party buffet, checking things out.
The Green Party, in the meantime is ... well, poverty-stricken for openers. Which means that unless they use the Republican strategy of taking over the cheap seats (city council, school board, that sort of thing) for the next half-century, they're not going to get anywhere in the current money-driven politics.
However, when the U.S. economy finally tanks spectacularly -- as it must, being built on sand, including the sands of Arabia -- perhaps there won't be enough money left to rule politics, and a new politics can emerge.
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Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Jul 19, 2005 9:46 AM
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There's a Republicans for Choice organization ... and boo - hoo ... that awful left wing media bias doesn't give them a fair shake at soliciting contributions from moderates of good will ....
And who's their idea of a Moderate justice? Gonzales, maybe ... or some other pro-business, anti-regulation, personal friend of the President to be named at a future date ...
Just send the money now!
Hey, if it draws funding away from other Republican fund raising promotions --
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» RE: Gonzales -- Be Still My Heart!
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» RE: Gonzales -- Be Still My Heart!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 19, 2005 11:08 AM
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» RE: They're corporate Republicans for god's sake
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» RE: They're corporate Republicans for god's sake
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Posted by: Professor Progressive on Jul 19, 2005 12:34 PM
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Posted by: drmeow on Jul 19, 2005 2:28 PM
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I would like to eliminate “Republican” and “Democrat” completely and substitute a little truth in advertising. If I’m going to be called a communist or a socialist (both words I’m proud to be called - FDR was quite the socialist - but that have become insults and "evil" in the US), then I want the iana_gheddis420’ of this world to be called the fascists that they are. Instead of adjectives attached to inaccurate labels, let's adopt more accurate labels: reactionary conservative, moderate conservative, moderate, moderate progressive, radical progressive. Since they don't fit any of those groups, I guess that would make the current administration oligarchists.
A third party will be largely ineffective as long as we continue to have our “winner take all” system. Don’t scoff at the “Republican strategy of taking over the cheap seats (city council, school board, that sort of thing)” - it can make a difference. Since the majority of Americans tend to be moderate in much the same vein as Pepper (i.e., I don’t want my taxes to be any higher than they have to be but I do want to protect my country in the form of the infrastructure, education, and a safety net and I want the government to keep out of my personal life), it wouldn’t take as long for saner voices to take over the local governments and, from there, the state and national ones, as it took the pseudo-conservatives who currently dominate politics.
Don’t blame the lack of media coverage of the moderates on their not having a backbone - remember that the current US media is controlled by the oligarchists and the historic curtain between the owners and the editorial staff has not existed for years (i.e., you WILL NOT publish anything the owners disagree with). It is not in their best interest to give a voice to any moderates unless they can also denigrate them or make them look like fools or problems. Besides, screaming and yelling and making a stink in the media won’t help if laws are quietly being passed that will destroy us. The reality is that we have a corrupt, money-driven political system and sometimes it takes quietly going to individual members of Congress and threatening them with the loss of money and, with it, power to save our butts in the short run so that we can be around here and free long enough to save our butts for the long term.
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» RE: Moderate Republicans
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» RE: Moderate Republicans
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Posted by: iana_gheddis420 on Jul 19, 2005 2:44 PM
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In 2006, you (liberals) stand a good chance of losing Sarbanes, You are probably losing, Feinstein, Jeffords, and Byrd. You May lose Kohl, Akaka, Bill Nelson, Cantwell, Carper, Lautenberg, Snowe (wears an “R”, but dems will suffer more in her absence), And you may lose Ben Nelson, Lieberman (the sane one), Stabenow, Levin, Inouye, Mikulski, Kennedy, Clinton, Corzine (for NJ Gov), and Bingaman. Most due to age, the other to being ripe targets.
And you are doing exactly what the GOP needs you to do. Sit here and critique the winners while being very careful to not note what led to their massive sucess.
Now I can sleep soundly.
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» RE: What Are We Talking About Here?
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Posted by: Edward George on Jul 19, 2005 3:48 PM
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A better question is what to do about it. The internet is serving much of that purpose but real people are still not really getting together and conversing. They are afraid of their neighbors because they don't know them. They are even afraid to use their real names on the internet. "Houswives" (they could just as well be house husbands) aren't having coffee clatches during the day because nobody's home. Two incomes are necessary to support the modern life style. No coffee clatches, no block parties. We Americans are working hundreds of hours more per year than any other "first world" country, corporations don't have to hire more people and are socking away enormous surpluses. We eager beavers build bigger and bigger beaver lodges, don't have time to enjoy them and don't have time to think about how stupid we are. Anybody want to describe what they are doing to outwit the glories of capitalism's heaven?
Ed George
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Posted by: nardo on Jul 19, 2005 4:25 PM
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They have become so power hungry, that they've devised a scheme to take over this country using Politics,Religion and Money, and who has more money that Republicans.
The "con" is on, and the inducted are many, so It's not a Party that is in Default, but a People.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 20, 2005 7:18 AM
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» RE: Forget moderate Republicans and Democrats, we need real moderates
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Posted by: apodapa on Jul 23, 2005 4:13 AM
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