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Boy-President in a Failed World?

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted July 12, 2005.


As reality grows ever darker, our President never ventures far from his scripted version of a fictional world that is nowhere to be seen.
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On Thursday morning, with the London bombings monopolizing the TV set, I watched our President take that long, outdoor, photo-op walk from the G-8 summit meeting to the microphones to make a statement to reporters. Exploding subways, a blistered bus, the dead, wounded, dazed, and distraught just then staggering through our on-screen morning, and there he was. He had his normal, slightly bowlegged walk, his arms held just out from his side in a fashion that brings the otherwise unusable word "akimbo" to mind.

It's a walk -- the walk to the podium at the White House press conference, to the presidential helicopter, to the Rose Garden microphone -- that is now his well-practiced signature move. For some people, a tone of voice or a facial expression can tell you everything you need to know; that's how the President's walk acts for him. And nothing puts spine in that walk the way the war on terror does. Each horror is like a shot of adrenalin.

As he approached the microphones on Thursday, while ambulances and police cars rushed through the streets of London, everything about him radiated a single word: resolve. It was a word that came to mind even before he used it making his brief statement, and then turned, no less resolutely, to walk away just as the word "Iraq" came out of the mouth of some reporter as part of an unfinished question. This was definitely our War (on Terror) President back in the saddle.

He said nothing to surprise. He offered "heartfelt condolences to the people of London, people who lost lives"; he spoke of defending Americans against heightened dangers ("I have been in contact with our Homeland Security folks. I instructed them to be in touch with local and state officials about the facts of what took place here and in London, and to be extra vigilant, as our folks start heading to work."); he extolled the strength of resolve of the other G-8 leaders by comparing it to his own ("I was most impressed by the resolve of all the leaders in the room. Their resolve is as strong as my resolve."); and he presented for the umpteenth time his Manichaean vision of a world of good and evil in which he and his administration are unhesitatingly the representatives of all goodness. ("[T]he contrast couldn't be clearer between the intentions and the hearts of those of us who care deeply about human rights and human liberty, and those who kill -- those who have got such evil in their heart that they will take the lives of innocent folks.")

There's something so confoundingly dreamlike about all this, so fantastic, even absurd, especially set against the background of the murder of random people taking public transportation in one of the globe's great cities. As reality grows ever darker, our President never ventures far from his scripted version of a fictional world that is nowhere to be seen. Let's keep in mind that this was the same President who, only the day before in Denmark, had launched a vigorous, completely ludicrous defense of his Guantánamo prison complex. Just two weeks earlier, his Vice President had pointed out -- as if he were making one of those Caribbean tourist ads -- that the prisoners there were lucky to be housed and fed so admirably in the balmy "tropics."

Now, the President was practically proffering tickets to those tropics for Europeans who wanted to check the situation out for themselves. ("[T]he prisoners are well-treated in Guantánamo. There's total transparency. The International Red Cross can inspect any time, any day. And you're welcome to go. The press, of course, is welcome to go down to Guantánamo...There's very few prison systems around the world that have seen such scrutiny as this one. And for those of you here on the continent of Europe who have doubt, I'd suggest buying an airplane ticket and going down and look -- take a look for yourself.")

It was certainly a unique vacation package he was offering. As it happens, Jane Mayer of The New Yorker magazine took one of those tickets and, even getting a military dog-and-pony show at the prison, was struck by "the utter lack of due process" in the one trial-like proceeding she saw. ("It looked like a court hearing, but there were no lawyers.") The place -- despite having its own Starbucks for the Americans -- struck her as a giant dystopian experiment in mind manipulation.

A number of FBI agents took these tickets a while ago and sent back harrowing tales of mistreatment and torture ("The documents showed that FBI agents were particularly upset with what they saw as physical and mental abuse of the detainees, including the sticking of lighted cigarettes in their ears, choking, beatings, temperature changes, hooding, the use of dogs and other forms of harassment."); or simply consider what the elder President Bush's White House physician, a former doctor in the Army Medical Corps, had to say recently on this Bush administration's treatment of prisoners:


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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of "The End of Victory Culture."

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Alternate areality or schizophrena?
Posted by: jalowe1957 on Jul 12, 2005 3:52 AM   
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After reading this, it shouldn't come as any surprise that the Bushites are living in some sort of alternate reality. For if a psychiatrist were conducting some form of diagnosis of the Bush administration, one would undoubtedly state that they suffer from a form of schizophrena with multiple delusions of paranoia and grandeur.

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What If They Know What They Are Doing
Posted by: birdman on Jul 12, 2005 5:07 AM   
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... and don't give a damn? Bush may be everything you claim, but he's also, at heart, a cynical despot. The "aw shucks" and the boyish "charm" is for the cameras. The carnage and the repression he is sowing, however, is quite deliberate and revolves around oil and world domination.

In sad truth, Bush has more in common with a Mugabe or an Amin. Maybe he's Hussein's twin brother. He's a murderous maniac -- not unlike many other presidents, not unlike America itself, if we're honest about our history.

Don't just view the stage show. Look into the hearts and motives of these people. We are ruled not just by a man-child, but by a murdering thug.

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One of two things in true
Posted by: BEYONDTHECURVE on Jul 12, 2005 6:15 AM   
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Either he's incredibly stupid or he's incredibly deceitful and diabolical. (Frankly I don't think he has the intelligence for the latter option.)

Regardless of which is true he clearly does not belong in the Oval Office.

I was scared when a paranoid and irrational Nixon of the early 1970'a has hit finger on the button, but nothing compares to this level of incompetency.

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» RE: One of two things in true Posted by: mwildfire
bush and his vigilantes are both raving lunatics AND deliberate murderers,
Posted by: drSooz on Jul 12, 2005 7:16 AM   
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with one foot in their fantasy kingdom and one foot in the rapidly rising Stygian Lake. And yes, if a psychological evaluation were done on these misanthropic megalomaniacal monsters, as is usually done on 'ordinary' serial killers, they would be put away forever in nesting padded cells resembling Tut's multiple coffins - oops, was that a Freudian slip? But no; no punishment for these perps, not in this greasy greedy society. Our biggest Christian denomination is the Church of the Profit. And yes, Tom; sickeningly, redundantly yes, there is nothing new to say about it. It's all the same discussion using different words and syntax, with varying degrees of expressive ability, but the same old concrete conclusion. We're taking all the protective supplements but will, eventually, all come down with the disease. Over there, over here - we're all becoming infected; you or I, now or later, 'us' or 'them'. It's hard to understand, when dubya's daddy's doctor is diagnosing pandemic terminal illness, why no one is calling in prescriptions or disinfecting the disease at the source. Our disappearing democracy is, as Mencken said, the worship of jackals by jackasses. When are we going to get mad as hell and refuse to take this anymore?

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» Did you say "when"? Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Just Some Thoughts
Posted by: Jennelle on Jul 12, 2005 7:22 AM   
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What surprises me, is back in the last cnetury, George W would proudly talk about how many times he'd read "1984" and how it was his favorite book. It ought come as no suprise that he "runs" an Orewllian state, in a fantasy world. Add to this, W is a "born again Dominionist". Google "Dominionism" or "Latter Rain" Scary, and our president accepts all these things as being absolutes.

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» RE: Just Some Thoughts Posted by: mountainmama
wishful thinker
Posted by: uncleboko on Jul 12, 2005 7:45 AM   
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I have never been to America. But what happens there to a large degree dictates my past, present and future. We will never have peace as long as we have a superpower with such an inward-looking parochial view of the world.
It's not just that America deserves a better leadership. The WORLD deserves a better leadership.
War is always and forever sadness. Those who glory in victory are simply being immature. Those who manufacture glory in false victories are dangerously deluded.

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» RE: wishful thinker Posted by: drSooz
» RE: wishful thinker Posted by: apodapa
» RE: wishful thinker Posted by: skekky
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Posted by: zoza on Jul 12, 2005 7:49 AM   
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How long can this 'confederacy of dunces' rule our land without the masses finally seeing how utterly ridiculous and absurd their leadership has been. This is like some strange dream where aliens have taken over and entranced an entire population, making them believe that right is left, up is down, black is white, and evil is good. I hear people say that we have to go to the polls to change things. Bull!!! We have to take to the streets. No less than 10 million people have to march on the White House to change things. Viet Nam was stopped because people marched and were beaten, arrested, and killed at Kent State before the media and the population finally payed attention.

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» RE: A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES Posted by: cyclone
» RE: A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES Posted by: canuckistani
» I repeat... Posted by: HeidiLockwood
» RE: I repeat... Posted by: TALYN
Dance little Puppet
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jul 12, 2005 8:24 AM   
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With all their blab about how they see America.There is a fat chunk of them,from ol'Dub on down the rank and file that don't mind showing their strings and whom they're connected to.Everyone who is awake in America has known for decades that the leadership in this country is a 'Puppet-Show'.They got away with it best with Reagan.He was a licenced broadcaster.
They're taught to make a bucket of manure soung like a banna split. The Prez's visions are nothing more that the whim and dictate of his Handelers.If you want to know who runs America...follow the money.Because it sure isn't The People.

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people want to march to the white house?
Posted by: benu67 on Jul 12, 2005 8:51 AM   
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september 24th is the day.

http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

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Rod from Canada
Posted by: Rod from Canada on Jul 12, 2005 8:54 AM   
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An excellent piece of writing and analysis. It's another example of why I now rely more on the internet and other alternative news sources, as opposed to the mainsteam media, for information and analysis. I would just add that with respect to President Bush, he is one for whom I never did have much respect; but to be more precise, he has always struck me as a person who may lack of any sort of conscience whatsoever.

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marjie
Posted by: marjie on Jul 12, 2005 8:57 AM   
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Tom Englehart and other commentators are so busy flogging that poor failure of a president, George W., that they forget to ask what happened to the loyal opposition, the Democratic Party leaders expected to offer sensible and acceptable alternatives to Bush's lukewarm porridge. WHERE ARE THEY?
We need critical and intelligent comments about the state of that loyal opposition; no more attacks on George Bush. They're tiresome and boring and have been said over and over by writers who should know better.

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» RE: marjie Posted by: jac5
» RE: marjie Posted by: skekky
A Growing Sense of Insanity and Breakdown
Posted by: thirdmg on Jul 12, 2005 9:39 AM   
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For some time now, I've had a weird feeling that America has entered the topsy-turvy world of Alice In Wonderland in which nothing makes sense.

The ruling political party abuses language and belief in order to trump facts and to manipulate our perception of reality - and gets away with it. The other major party is clueless, powerless, accommodating, and utterly detached from its core constituencies.

The news media are distracted and obsessed with triviality and irrelevancy and kissing up to power.

The forces of religious fundamentalism, in preparation for the imminent return of their god-man, have created a theocratic nation within a nation in which they can shut out all criticism and opposition, while they work relentlessly to bring down the existing governmental structures and set out to rule the world.

Wars against religious fundamentalism are waged by an administration serving its own group of religious fundamentalists.

The rest of us who, like Alice, protest the illogic and inanity of it all, are cavalierly dismissed and ignored.

Seems like a dream world that has rapidly turned into a nightmare reality.

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» RE: A Growing Sense of Insanity and Breakdown Posted by: trapped in twilight zone
Look at Bush's Juvenile Behavior ... CLOSELY!
Posted by: Meremark on Jul 12, 2005 9:55 AM   
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(Second point -- aside to Marjie: The Democrats ARE NOT on OUR SIDE, or YOUR side, or WHOEVER is OPPOSED to the TYRANT GROUP. Both parties are for THEMSELVES HAVING POWER, neither party is for us. We don't HAVE the Democrats. Democrats DO NOT CARE about AMERICA. They AIN'T GONNA STAND UP and STEP FORWARD. STOP sounding puzzled, STOP CALLING for them, STOP BLAMING their ABSENCE. FIGURE IT OUT what it means that DEMOCRATS ARE NOT WORKING, NOT part of the SOLUTION.
(Get involved. What we got is us. We got to help ourselves. Stop dodging OUR RESPONSIBILITIES and Stop wasting energy BLAMING SOMEONE ELSE for NOT DOING OUR WORK for us.)

First point:: We should be sure W. stays in D.C., as much as he stays on script. The terrorist pattern (so far) is taking action when W. is out of town.

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Illogical Logic of the Left
Posted by: dpdavis on Jul 12, 2005 10:43 AM   
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“As reality grows ever darker, our President never ventures far from his scripted version of a fictional world that is nowhere to be seen.”

“Nowhere to be seen?” Wow! In the blogs of the blind, the one eyed Limbaugh will remain king.

Liberals continue to ignore the primary fundamental in human decision making: that decisions are made on emotion, using logic and reason as an afterthought to explain or justify the emotional response; not the other way around.

To logically put emotion second in the decision making process is illogical. This "boy President's" world view, real or imagined, is quite vivid and real for those Liberals are trying to reach.

In the fear game, conservatives have a monopoly. As long as they counter fear with fear, Liberals will continue to get spanked. There is no way to win this game under current conditions. Here are the choices offered to Americans:

Be afraid of terrorists.
Be afraid of other Americans.

For most people the choice between terrorists or Americans is a no-brainer (even if the choice is for corrupt Americans).

Here is the Liberal challenge:
Create a world view that is more compelling than fear.

Until they create and clearly promote a powerfully emotional world view, one that makes people feel safe, whole and glad to be alive, Liberals will flounder.

I don’t mean Pollyannaish, wishful thinking. I'm talking about the kind of compelling energy that people like FDR, Nelson Mandela and Gandhi generated; and the kind of discerning humor and insight of people like Mark Twain and Winston Churchill.

Of course, a world view that is more compelling than fear must be backed by rigorously honest and well researched arguments with a healthy dose of humor, but never at the expense of the compelling emotion being generated.

This of course requires more effort than finger pointing. It also doesn't carry with it the immidiate income of the Jerry Springer-like political shame fest.

So, who is up to the task?

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Dry Drunk astray!
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jul 12, 2005 11:02 AM   
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As usual Mr. Bush displays the telling signs of being a dry drunk. Rigidity (not resolve), childish retaliatory remarks, inability to take his own inventory (that of his own administration's human rights violations), dishonesty, and an attitude of "I can do this alone; I don't need anyone else" (no need for consultation with Congress or other nations, let alone his own citizens. Ignoring the scientists' own warnings about global warning and on and on). He is one dangerous man. Boy? No, a boy has an excuse for immaturity. This man is a liar and in major denial. He is in dis-ease and creates chaos wherever he can find the opportunity. And, he is proud of it with a smirk.

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Bush's alignment check?
Posted by: dracorix on Jul 12, 2005 11:06 AM   
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Although I basically agree with Tom's commentary, I think Bush is NOT actually unable to see reality... he's doing his best to convert reality into the chiliastic world espoused by fundamentalist christian beliefs. Remember: his base believes that life sucks in general, that there is no future, and that everything HAS to become horrible to fulfill "prophecy," so they want to get as much as they can from OUR world before their own policies create THEIR world.

Reading this made me think of something I haven't though of in years: Did any of you ever play the RPG Dungeons & Dragons? If so, you might remember that game's concept of "alignment." Well, that's very relevant here, and that's pretty unnerving.(For those who don't know, the game's characters defined themselves in a nine-point matrix with "good-neutral-evil" on one axis and "lawful-neutral-chaotic" on the other and behaved according to the alignment they chose.)

We hear a lot of talk equating "law and order" with "good" from Bush's cronies... but in fact the two have no real connection, and there are numerous examples in history of laws being made by evil and/or insane people. There are also numerous examples of "chaos" (aka rebellion vs. arbitrary laws) being promoted by good people.

To quote from one site, here's a definition that seems to fit what we're discussing: Darth Vader shows us clearly how one can be entirely out for one's self while being completely obedient to a master and strictly part of a chain of command. His entire aspect combines the disciplines of law with the values of evil.

Doesn't that sound like a certain president we know?

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» RE: Bush's alignment check? Posted by: Kajamian
The truth is...
Posted by: mountainmama on Jul 12, 2005 11:07 AM   
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those comments here that state that Bush isn't so much the innocent, naive, nincompoop he comes off as being are 100% accurate! He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. The sooner all of America realizes this, the better chance we have of surviving! I cannot, for the life of me, understand how deaf, dumb and blind far too many American citizens are in face of the jackasses blatant lies, deceptions and murderous methods. People need to wake up....and SOON!

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» To explain: The Old Paradim Posted by: expat in tokyo
Bush is an evil man
Posted by: apodapa on Jul 12, 2005 11:10 AM   
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In 1535 humanist Thomas More, admired by Henry VIII, and credited for being the literal Renaissance man who conjured up a vision of life now considered what we call "utopia" described the extremist Martin Luther as, "... a drunkard, a liar, an ape and an asshole who had been vomited on to this earth by the Antichrist."
If Thomas More were alive today he no doubt would describe George W. Bush as such as well.

(Sourced from Robert Lacey, 2004 - "Great Tales From English History"

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» RE: Bush is an evil man Posted by: Mewsician
hari
Posted by: hari on Jul 12, 2005 12:00 PM   
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Boy, did he hit on the head or what!

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Keep up the heat
Posted by: Jamboree on Jul 12, 2005 12:45 PM   
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Take heart, the facade is cracking. Watch C-Span and see McClellan squirm as the press relentlessly presses him on on Kark Rove and his own comments. The press is tired of their well-deserved "do-nothing" reputation. Let the media and your representatives how you feel. When King George has been "deposed" we will need to "clean-house" of do-nothing public officials who voted for the Bankruptcy bill, the Medicare drug bill and the Iraqi war.

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Okay so we're all evidently in agreement:
Posted by: Mewsician on Jul 12, 2005 1:10 PM   
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we despise Bush.

But let's get back to the real problem, about which there is a noticeable dearth of postings here. And that is that THE AMERICAN PEOPLE are to blame for this mess. It feels good to liken that idiot Bush to Idi Amin and all, but don't forget....in this country, at least up to the point where Bush came on the national scene (since then, admittedly, who knows....), there were ample mechanisms in place to keep a despised, murdering jerk out of the national leadership. But Americans didn't exercise their options in that regard. We have allowed this to happen, and have no one to blame but ourselves. As for disavowing the Democrats, wellllll....a thinking grown-up realizes that whether or not each person's notion of the perfect candidate is on the presidential ballot, our system is what it is, and it's much healthier for a democracy if people just shut up and vote for the better of the two candidates than it is for them to disengage then retreat to the blogs and complain about all that was wrong with each. But, again....Americans just didn't appear willing to exercise that option in 2004.

So as great a read as this Englehardt piece is, the point is still that WE have allowed the man-child and his vicious, lying cohorts to prevail. And although it may be too late - considering the unpublicized scale of voter fraud that occurred in 2004 - to remedy the situation, it also may not be. We must throw the buggers out, and even if we have to start from the "Anyone But Bush" premise and even if we may not find the opposing candidate to be the perfect statesman, we nevertheless have to start somewhere. And "somewhere" is the Democratic party, like it or not, under the current circumstances; a viable third-party candidate will be a welcome addition if one ever presents itself, but for now it's unfortunately true that we have to work with the system as it exists - no matter how wretched. Yelling for Nader isn't the answer. GETTING BUSH OUT is the answer, and we can try to go on from there. Until America's brain-dead citizenry does something about the George Bush-style villains of the piece, all this is just so much flabbajabba.

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» Mewsician... Posted by: HeidiLockwood
» RE: Mewsician... Posted by: Mewsician
Not the only one...
Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Jul 12, 2005 1:54 PM   
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In the days following 9/11 a large number of opinions were aired on radio and TV. One woman from a small town hundreds of miles from New York city wished that we would just go over there and nuke them all. When asked just where, she said all of them, everywhere. Muslims, middle easterners, whatever.

She went on to say that if it meant one moment of hand-wringing insecurity for her, it was worth the lives of millions of strangers.

I also picked up on people in my own work place who felt as if the irratonal and unconscionable acts of twenty extremists justified the genocide of millions.

But very few here in this country will acknowledge the many ways that we have created or prolonged the misery of millions throughout the world, or concede that anyone anywhere could have a legitimate reason to resent our invlovement in their lands.

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Yes
Posted by: Mewsician on Jul 12, 2005 2:12 PM   
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These are the people I'm talking about. People who have no more acuity of thought, no more critical thinking skills, no more capacity for analytical reasoning than to say such a thing. "I'm mad and hurt so let's kill somebody" is a poor recipe for progress (to paraphrase James Kunstler - walk, don't run, to read his blog if you haven't already).

And these people comprise half the voting nation. HALF. If they didn't, Bush wouldn't get elected dog-catcher. Of all his legions of grievous sins and failings, surely the worst is that he brings out the absolute worst in anybody who supports him. What a miserable legacy it will be, too.

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» RE: Yes Posted by: sensitiveguy
Possibly Sociopaths
Posted by: javajoe on Jul 12, 2005 3:04 PM   
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Maybe they are sociopaths. Much of the Bush administration's behavior fits the sociopath profile.

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» RE: Possibly Sociopaths Posted by: sensitiveguy
» RE: Possibly Sociopaths Posted by: spyderbaby
Joeraider
Posted by: Joeraider on Jul 12, 2005 3:10 PM   
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I appreciated the thoughtful, insightful article above and I want to offer what I believe is an explanation for Bush's allegedly childlike behavior.

I believe that the Bush administration is responsible for the terrible events on this planet. I believe that Bush and his cronies are playing both sides against the middle (the middle being us).

The media chronically ignores the scandals of the 1980s. All the allegations against the Reagan/Bush criminals of that decade are called discredited, although none really were. During that decade the Republican party set up an infrastructure of terror (the school of the Americas) and developed a nasty plan to control the media.

In addition, the United States and Saudi Arabia funneled at least $80 billion through Osama bin Laden to prosecute the war to kill Russian boys in Afghanistan. I'd say $80 billion is one hell of a retainer fee. Osama works for Bush.

George Bush does seem to exhibit a child-like quality when he discusses (or evades discussing) these issues, but I contend that the quality is more one of complete confidence that he won't get caught playing this deadly game he began 9-11. I believe he and his inner circle believe that the truth is too horrific to be believed by the American people, and he can get away with anything.

By the way, I've looked for evidence to prove me wrong in this, but everything always points to my own conclusion. In fact, when you finally give yourself over to this way of thinking, everything effortlessly falls into place.

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» RE: Joeraider Posted by: sensitiveguy
» RE: Joeraider Posted by: marshallmotz
Come On Baby Boomers!!
Posted by: skekky on Jul 12, 2005 3:45 PM   
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We need to change this world! Come on Baby Boomers! Where's your leadership? We need some of that good ol' organizing from the 60s!!!! You guys changed the world then, you can help us now! Get the show on the road...the rest of us will follow!

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» RE: Come On Baby Boomers!! Posted by: enigma4ever
Suspect that
Posted by: Mewsician on Jul 12, 2005 3:56 PM   
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many of those heroes of yesteryear have figured out that to which I earlier referred....i.e., it's a losing battle! Who wants to spend their few remaining decades fighting a lost cause?? If younger Americans don't want to save themselves and their democratic future from the likes of the Bush cabal, they can't be saved. Asking the 60s generation to rescue America from itself now is like trying to talk a hopeless alcoholic into believing that drinking is a bad idea.

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Complacency
Posted by: skekky on Jul 12, 2005 4:53 PM   
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Very true...just trying to get the 'larger' demographic to help us out a little. If you haven't noticed, us younger Americans are out there trying to do something. We are protesting! We don't need you to save us, we need your numbers! Try to remain positive for your few remaining decades...it just might help. I think the idealism of the 60s is a far better alternative than the rich, greedy and complacent older generation we see today.

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» Complacency? Disbelief! Posted by: Kajamian
» RE: Complacency Posted by: sensitiveguy
» RE: Complacency....don't agree Posted by: enigma4ever
Those Planes NEVER brought those buildings down!!
Posted by: Joel on Jul 12, 2005 6:49 PM   
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Imagine a wicked power play that started decades ago to eventually blossom into the perverse dictatorial government that we find ourselves today. The planes were flown by remote control. The "plane" that hit the pentagon was a missle, and the world trade center was IMPLODED. Now, you have to start thinking 'bout this, and look it up if you don't agree...This new era needs some clarity. Fascism comes in many forms, the willingness to coerce the public into believing such fantasy is apropo. Beware!

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Montanafun
Posted by: Gram on Jul 12, 2005 9:07 PM   
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THE USA IS IN TROUBLE

Please forget the childish labels of "conservative", "liberal". They serve as name calling darts only.

Use, deductive, intuititive, common sense, inductive, etc. thinking. Look at the problems and stop playing "one upmanship".

Our country is in trouble. Only a fool would go into a country like Iraq and try to change its culture. We are acumulating enemies and creating an un-managable debt mainly because of Iraq.

Killing children in Iraq for no reason has created more animostiy towards the USA than anything our so called Government has ever done in its history. Also, our debt is larger than any time in history.

These are not conservative/liberal name calling problems. These are real problems and not arguable. We need to change the way we are governed soon. There are potentially "real" enemies out there such as China, Russia, and the list is growing!


Montanafun

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» RE: Montanafun Posted by: sensitiveguy
it's the citizenry NOT their simpleton leader
Posted by: CK on Jul 12, 2005 9:38 PM   
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GB and this whole administration simply reflects the true character of the american people.... it wasn't a fluke that he got elected but rather a choice made by a small majority of the american people based on their considered opions..... for the most part americans as they are now constituted are simply too stupid to be viable and will never quite get why their entire society is falling both behind and apart

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Heart of Darkness
Posted by: RDR1940 on Jul 13, 2005 5:25 AM   
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Another appropriate quote from Conrad's Heart of Darkness:
"Their talk was the talk of sordid buccaneers: it was reckless without hardihood, greedy without audacity, and cruel without courage; there was not an atom of foresight... in the whole batch of them, and they did not seem aware these things are wanted for the work of the world."

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» RE: Heart of Darkness Posted by: enigma4ever
First Steps
Posted by: dpdavis on Jul 13, 2005 7:33 AM   
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African Aid Is Doubled By G-8
Washington Post, Jul 09 2005

"GLENEAGLES, Scotland, July 8 -- President Bush and the leaders of seven other major industrialized nations pledged Friday to double the amount of aid for Africa in five years and substantially raise it for other poor countries..."

Now, I wouldn't say the Live 8 concerts were the sole factor in this decision, but I think it is fair to say that it played a significant role.

Bono is a person who exemplifies the kind of wise hope combined with skilful action that is missing from most Liberal efforts. He proved this to me when Bill O'Reilly tried every dirty trick in his book to get Bono to negatively attack back, and instead, Bono won O'Reilly to his cause.

This isn't a perfect solution any more than Live 8 concerts were a perfect response.

But in my view, it was just good enough : )

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» RE: First Steps Posted by: Dudicon
A NEW SYMBOL!!!
Posted by: sensitiveguy on Jul 14, 2005 12:24 PM   
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Ive got an idea!! How about a new symbool for the democrats!! A pink sow !! Pink because its a nice effeminate color, and you could have a bunch of nipples hanging down for all the welfare constituents!!! Then everyone would be really clear what this party is all about!!

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» RE: A NEW SYMBOL!!! Posted by: Mewsician
» RE: A NEW SYMBOL!!! Posted by: sensitiveguy
http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm
Posted by: Dudicon on Jul 14, 2005 3:39 PM   
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If you had any doubts then check this website out,fascinating ideas,any comments would be appreciated.Makes me realise we are in the thick of things,how to change,protest,get out on the streets,time is a item here we can change what is coming by linking like never before,I reckon they never appreciated the holding of hands over the net,of course they could switch us off....here is the site
http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm

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re: marshallmotz comment above
Posted by: marshallmotz on Jul 14, 2005 9:40 PM   
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CORRECTION, PLEASE NOTE... I meant the above rejoinder for "Sensitive Guy" and not for JoeRaider, who was right on...

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America and the World Has Never Been Better OFf
Posted by: TheJacksonFive on Jul 15, 2005 7:03 AM   
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The real facts are that things are improving around the globe. This entire group needs community Prozac.

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Angry liberals!!
Posted by: sensitiveguy on Jul 16, 2005 3:57 AM   
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Hi there all you liberals! I have to say that the angrier and the more hostile that you guys get, the more I know that Bush is doing an excellent job!! So keep up the protesting and demonstrations! You guys are doing great work to keep conservatives in power!! Thank you!
Warmest regards
Sensitive guy

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» RE: Angry liberals!! Posted by: dpdavis
» RE: Angry liberals!! Posted by: spyderbaby
great post....
Posted by: enigma4ever on Aug 24, 2005 12:16 AM   
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Sad but true...and sobering....we have the ingredients here for a perfect fascist state-sour economy, unemployed, esp.youth,
loss of manafacturing, and rise in propaganda(aka "patriotism) and fall in education...women falling in status...I could go on and on...great post...much to think about...come over to http://watergatesummer.blogspot.com/, ...( not as sophisticated...or well written..but it raises some points that might interest you)...keep writing...

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current strategies - good enough?
Posted by: enigma4ever on Aug 24, 2005 12:42 AM   
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No , the current strat. are not good enough. at all. there needs to be an overall of the system and some serious reflection of how we got to where we are...even the last election was a disaster- I mean blasting Dean over what- an emotional excited moment- what was that...he was on a roll, and he got taken out at the news- why- because he wasn't a member of the"club" and until that mentality changes....shifts..there are going to be alot of problems...the only thing that gave me hope recently was Hackett in Ohio- he was reaching Alot of people- because he SPOKE the truth...

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