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Mediger-Paul seems an unlikely candidate for public assistance healthcare. She held a good-paying job as an accountant at Wal-Mart, the infamously profitable company and the largest private sector employer in the nation.
So why was Mediger-Paul on the dole?
Because "Wal-Mart's health insurance was awful!" she says. Mediger-Paul opted out of the company health plan, she says, to pay into the state healthcare system. "I had two preemies and they both had asthma--there was no way I would have made it on Wal-Mart's insurance." With cheap premiums but large deductibles and gaps in care, she says the Wal-Mart insurance wouldn't even have covered her kids' vaccinations.
Mediger-Paul is in good company as she complains about the inadequacy of Wal-Mart's healthcare. This week, in an attempt to hold large employers accountable for their worker's healthcare costs, Senators Ted Kennedy (D-Ma.), Jon Corzine (D-NJ) and Representative Anthony Weiner (D-NY) introduced the Health Care Accountability Act. Originally authored by the union-backed Wake-Up Wal-Mart campaign, the legislation would require states to publicly report the number of employees that companies have on taxpayer-funded public health care. These annual reports would include the state's cost of providing healthcare to those workers.
"We deserve to know the truth about the high cost of Wal-Mart's greed," says Paul Blank, the campaign director for Wake-Up Wal-Mart.
Mediger-Paul's home state of Minnesota has been debating similar legislation, which is set to pass by the end of the month. Additionally, 23 other state legislatures have recently debated or passed these so-called "Wal-Mart bills." Some states have moved even further, considering "pay or play" legislation that would force large employers to either commit a certain percent of payroll costs to employee healthcare, or pay into the state healthcare system.
The idea, say supporters of the legislation, is to stop subsidizing corporate profits with public healthcare money.
The Wal-Mart bills have been sponsored by a number of state lawmakers interested in universal healthcare, but labor organizers have honed in specifically and vocally on Wal-Mart. The legislation has stirred up a vitriolic fight between a labor movement trying to stay relevant in a service and retail economy and Wal-Mart, a profiteering giant that relies on cheap labor and would rather shut a store down than see it unionized. At the core of the debate is a difference in opinion over what is considered adequate, and who is ultimately responsible for the healthcare needs of low-wage workers.
"I believe every worker should have healthcare provided by the employer. It should be a right," says Bernie Hesse, director of organizing for United Food and Commercial Workers Local 789 in Minnesota. He also believes that part of the way to get there is to create a public education campaign against Wal-Mart, exposing "what a shitty place it is and how bad they treat people."
Nate Hurst, Wal-Mart's public and government relations manager, says Wal-Mart is living up to its responsibility, emphasizing that his company does provide health insurance that has saved lives. As for any snags in affordability or coverage, he implies that the whole healthcare system is at fault. "We certainly believe it's long past time for meaningful reform for our healthcare in this country, but these bills do not address these concerns, nor do they even ensure that one more person comes off the list of America's uninsured."
What the state legislation (and now the proposed federal legislation) has done is shine a light on the reality of people receiving public assistance healthcare, many of whom are gainfully employed and even have access to health insurance, but simply cannot afford it. Even when companies like Wal-Mart offer comparatively cheap health insurance premiums, the expense is still a major chunk of change for workers making less than $10 per hour on average. And even with health insurance, the deductibles, which range from $350 to $1,000 for a single person, make a doctor's visit a budget-buster.
In a 2005 report, Union Network International criticized the disconnect between the retail giant's health plan and the reality of the low-wage workers it was being offered to: "A single Wal-Mart shop worker could end up paying about 45% of her or his salary before seeing a single benefit from participating in the scheme."
And that's only for the workers who are eligible. There is a six-month waiting period for full-time employees to become eligible for coverage, and a two-year waiting period for part-time employees, whose dependents are never eligible for coverage under Wal-Mart's health insurance plan. (Anyone who works less than 34 hours per week is considered part-time.)
Wal-Mart reports that 47 percent of its 1.2 million employees are covered through the company health insurance, saying that many more are covered elsewhere, through other family members or retirement plans. Critics assert that most other large employers insure about 66 percent of their workforce, and use this number as proof of the inadequacy of Wal-Mart's health coverage. "Wal-Mart has led this kind of healthcare cost shift," says Blank. "They provide such inadequate healthcare with high premiums and, combined with poverty level wages, that leads tens of thousands of their employees to public assistance healthcare."
The scrutiny of Wal-Mart's health coverage began a couple years ago when Medicaid costs and health insurance premiums were skyrocketing. Universities and unions produced a number of reports that highlighted the cost of public assistance for Wal-Mart workers who received welfare, food stamps, public health care, and the like. In October 2003, the AFL-CIO released a pointed attack on the mega-store with its report "Wal-Mart: An Example of Why Workers Remain Uninsured and Underinsured," which blamed the company's penny-pinching health insurance package for skewing the market negatively.
With fewer than half its employees covered under plans that often had high deductibles and gaps in care, the report argued, Wal-Mart saved money and made it difficult for other retailers to provide decent health insurance and still remain competitive. In 2004, a UC-Berkeley study reported that the state's Wal-Mart workers and their dependents received $86 million in public assistance, including healthcare, welfare and free school lunch programs.
But it wasn't just professors and unions attacking the mega-store; U.S. Rep. George Miller (D-Ca.) released a report in February 2004 criticizing the breadth of Wal-Mart's policies, from discrimination to low wages and poor health insurance. The report, titled "Everyday Low Wages: The Hidden Price We All Pay for Wal-Mart," called the retailer the "lowest common denominator in the treatment of working people." It compared Wal-Mart to other companies, finding that it spent considerably less money on healthcare per employee. It pointed out that while Wal-Mart can boast it covers many catastrophic illnesses and does not have a lifetime cap on benefits like some other plans do, the healthcare is far from comprehensive. For example, the report noted that "routine medical needs" are often not covered, while rare organ transplants are covered.
The realization that thousands of low-wage employees from Wal-Mart and other big corporations might be the ones cramming Medicaid offices around the country made many lawmakers balk. Georgia was the first state to take action, passing a bill that required public reporting of employers for all those enrolled in the state healthcare system. When the numbers were tallied earlier this year, it was little surprise that Wal-Mart topped the list, with more than 10,000 children of its workers receiving public healthcare. Out of the 13 states that have gathered similar data, Wal-Mart has topped the list of 12.
Wal-Mart spokesmen have fended off these critiques, saying that it may end up at the top of any list simply because it has so many employees. They are quick to remind the public that Wal-Mart will create 100,000 jobs this year, and that 160,000 people who didn't have health insurance previously now have it through their coverage. "The question to ask is 'where would they be without Wal-Mart?' We help insure over 900,000 Americans [which includes employees' dependents]. If all of a sudden we stopped doing that, where would we be?" asks Hurst. He chalks up the intense criticism to self-interested unions attempting to publicly smear their arch-enemy. While this response may miss the point, it is not incorrect.
Frustrated unions that have largely given up on attempts to organize individual Wal-Mart stores have shifted gears by forming a grassroots political movement focused on legislation. In April, United Food and Commercial Workers, which has been unsuccessful in its traditional attempts to organize stores for the better part of a decade, launched its Wake-Up Wal-Mart Campaign. Already touting one major success with the introduction of the Healthcare Accountability Act, the campaign is calling for legislation in all 50 states that would force large employers to pay a minimum of 10 percent of payroll costs toward employee healthcare. The proposed legislation follows a "pay or play" Maryland bill that was passed, but later vetoed by the governor.
"This type of grassroots organizing marks a shift into a broader social justice campaign," said Blank. "It points out not only the incredibly bad things Wal-Mart does to their workers--like making them work off the clock, locking them in the stores, discriminating against women--it also builds a national grassroots project based on all those things that have been negatively affected by Wal-Mart's greed." Already boasting 10,000 people onboard the campaign, Wake-Up Wal-Mart held 325 supporter meetings this month and, on June 23rd, kicked off a series of house parties to spread support for the campaign.
Other union-backed campaigns focusing on legislation include the Change to Win Coalition, which declares one of its three goals to "Stop the Wal-Marting of good jobs in America," and Wal-Mart Watch, which has bombarded the media with criticism of the company's policies.
Wal-Mart, by its sheer size, is a leader that sets an example in the retail industry. The activist groups, which are proudly union-supported, feel they need to hold corporate America's feet to the flames, if not by organizing unions, then by passing legislation. "You're up against Goliath and sooner or later we're going to slay that dragon," said Hesse, the Minnesota UFCW organizer. "I'm not absolving us from organizing the workers, but given the present-day climate, we are going to have to figure out many different attacks on Wal-Mart."
As for the fate of the new Health Care Accountability Act that would produce lists of companies that have 50 or more employees receiving public assistance healthcare, Mediger-Paul just laughs. "Do I think Wal-Mart will be on that list? Yes. I could name 50 people in each store [in Minnesota] that are on public assistance. I could name 20 full-time employees right now who are on medical assistance."
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 27, 2005 4:36 AM
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I find her actions almost as appalling as Wal Mart's practices. I do not have children and one the main reasons is because I can not afford to provide a child with a decent life.
It is good to see that through legislation Wal Marts low prices may be shown how they are deferred to us all in other ways. Are their prices really that low when we pay through taxation via medical subsidies and tax incentives for them to build new stores?
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Posted by: arlete27 on Jun 27, 2005 5:35 AM
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2) Perhaps with the shortage of social security, we ought to be encouraging people to have children and helping them raise productive workers!
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Posted by: LMNOP on Jun 27, 2005 5:37 AM
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Talk is cheap. And so is Congress.
That will be the day when this parliament of whores enacts a piece of legislation that helps ordinary citizens at the expense of a major corporation. (No offense intended to prostitutes who actually perform a valuable service for willing customers in exchange for a living income.)
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Posted by: xenacat on Jun 27, 2005 6:05 AM
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Jun 27, 2005 7:00 AM
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One thing that I have respected about Walmart is their ability to know that not everyone can afford the higher priced Items at the malls. Basically, it has catered to the lower class for quite awhile. For every cause, there is an effect.
But, why stop at attacking Walmart?
Is McDonalds next on the agenda?How about Dominoes or Burger King?
their Benefits packages stink there, as well.
Maybe the real culprit is the medical insurance offered in the first place.
There is sooo much money rolling around in the medical field, it would make your head spin.
I completely support our former president Clinton who tried to provide Healthcare to everyone. This would have never been an issue, if it had passed.
And, with our healthcare below Canadas, maybe they have a point?
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Posted by: pulsatrix on Jun 27, 2005 7:15 AM
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"I believe every worker should have healthcare provided by the employer. It should be a right," says Bernie Hesse, director of organizing for United Food and Commercial Workers Local 789 in Minnesota.
When will we get over this notion and institute a rational, single-payer system, one where we don't depend on unreliable employers to provide health care?
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Posted by: sandifehr on Jun 27, 2005 7:59 AM
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Posted by: anewport on Jun 27, 2005 8:42 AM
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Most insurance plans will charge extra to cover pre-exisitong conditions or exclude treating the pre-exisitng condition. Insurance plans like covering single healthy adults who only go to the doctor once a year or less. These customers create a nice profit for the company. Everyone else is a drain on profits.
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Posted by: dan10opa on Jun 27, 2005 8:51 AM
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I think insurance companies are nothing more than legal orgnaized crime.
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Posted by: StacyM on Jun 27, 2005 8:54 AM
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Then you turn around and attack some woman because she is a product of the culture of life's ideal lifestyle?
And yes, we do owe these workers something; we owe it to them to make Wal-Mart give them a decent standard of living. Because I'm willing to bet almost everyone that has commented has shopped at Wal-Mart or one of it's ilk for the "Low Prices", and in doing so, feeding a beast that was anti-union and anti-American from the start. We should of never given them a cent. The day we learned about their union-busting we should have been boycotting the store and protesting it's anti-American work ethics. We should of raised more of a ruckus when small town independently owned stores had to close because they had no chance to compete due to Wal-Mart's importation of cheap goods from China. But we didn't, because those DVDs were damn cheap, weren't they? Even now, what are we focusing on in this story? The integrity of the woman, not Wal-Mart.
Why are people so adamant to protect things that are destroying our country under the banner of “capitalism”? Trust me, Wal-Mart will be fine if they give their workers a living wage – they have more than enough money to go around. We are not asking small-business owner USA to give up his supper to help his employees here, we are asking a corporate giant to do one of the most basic human decencies – be nice and share before you buy that 300th bathroom with the professional masseuse always on duty. And no one stood up and held their feet to the fire on this, we ran away whimpering with our tails between our legs at the first shouts of “Anti-capitalism!” and let Wal-Mart and it’s ilk ravage our country.
In closing, we all helped make this monster into what it is; we are all accountable for the people they hurt.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 27, 2005 9:08 AM
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What a deal.
You get to pay for it to be built.
You get to assume the debt service.
They destroy your local stores with predatory pricing.
They sell merchandise from countries with no OSHA or EPA.
They contribute VERY LITTLE to the local community.
They cost shift their insurance onto the Medicaid system. They pay No Property taxes as a tenant.
They staff with mostly part-time workers, insuring a large turn-over-- keeping their labor costs low.
They move every decade or so into new stores built by you, the taxpayer, starting the cycle over again.
Many competitors have had to follow the model or follow the long list of companies listed as Wal-Mart roadkill. What ever happened to anti-trust laws?
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Posted by: dennis1361 on Jun 27, 2005 10:01 AM
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#1 I am an insurance broker and have been for 40 years. The insurance program at Walmart is a fraud and intended to discriminate against whole groups of people.For example defining part time as less than 35 hrs a week. Most reputable insurance contracts use 20 hours. Keep in mind it is Wal mart that is dictating the terms of coverage not the insurance carriers. The company is a disgrace and if I sold health insurance coverage similar to Wal marts I would have my license revoked for fraud.
#2 In the State of California we subsidize Wal Mart by providing $86,000,000 worth of benefits a year to their employees. We should tax Wal Mart directly for those benefits
Wal Mart represents everything that is wrong with this country. Wal Mart's corporate greed is breath taking
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Posted by: jyoung on Jun 27, 2005 10:40 AM
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I feel that it's well PAST the time for people to stop shopping at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart (WM) has scaled so large, that it can do whatever it wishes, and it most likely has the law on its side too. Demand is the only thing that will cripple WM as a supplier, people need to wise up and in spirit of a recent frontline episode Stop 'shopping themselves into unemployment'.
"..."I believe every worker should have healthcare provided by the employer. It should be a right," says Bernie Hesse..."
I work for myself, and you know what, the insurance I can afford to purchase privately borders on pathetic. Wal-Mart is the coal mine of the present. Meager labor, meager pay, and economic insecurity is the new black lung. Would a better benefits plan have fixed the basic flaw for such labor of days past? WM is greedy, that's the point, and that's why it is the envy of the corporate world. Not everyone has an employer, this kind of thinking is short sighted and would be better served by contemplating either universal health coverage provided by the government, or a redesign of the way private insurance is offered by actually SEVERING it from employers - as people job hop so frequently in today's economy.
WM will never truly morph into a benevolent corporate citizen and employer. So, if a WM is coming to your town, petition to stop it. If it gets built, don't shop there. If WM is your only job option, then move. I and many people I know have made the tough decision and moved away from families to different parts of the country to hack out a living. Wake up folks, stop whining, and start paying that extra $1 to shop at a different store and don't expect WM to shift from a shareholder profiteer to a welfare state. You say it's not that simple, but sometimes it actually is.
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Posted by: wobuzhidao on Jun 27, 2005 12:18 PM
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There are many Wal-Marts these days that not only REFUSE to fill contraceptive prescriptions BACKED BY WAL-MART but actually confiscate the prescriptions so the woman can't go to another pharmacy (that Wal-Mart has run out of town) to get it filled. However, Wal-Mart does fill Viagra prescriptions (directly opposed to birth control), and sell condoms AT RETAIL. Seems it is indeed a MALE culture at Wal-Mart. Women & Children LAST.
Wal-Mart's meager health care that percentage-wise costs so much to use also doesn't cover birth control. I would bet IF it ever had pharmacy coverage it would only cover Wal-Mart pharmacies.
I suppose, if you can't afford the health care coverage at Wal-Mart you likely can't afford the contraceptives either and sure can't afford the abortion that is so EVIL. Let alone the doctor visits. Choice is way more than abortion.
Alternet Story on Wal-Mart & Birth Control
Wal-Mart's Wicked Ways
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Posted by: verdanteye@yahoo.com on Jun 27, 2005 12:35 PM
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If this woman had had decent insurance in the first place, she wouldn't have had to rely on public assistance, THAT'S the point. Spouting off self-righteously about how many children she had, and how much "better" you are than her is quite silly and pointless, since you really know absolutely nothing about her other than the few facts mentioned in the article.
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Posted by: wobuzhidao on Jun 27, 2005 12:44 PM
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Wal-Mart's Current Litigations
Meanwhile, Wal-Mart takes out Life Insurance on its employees PAYABLE TO WAL-MART:
"Between 1994 and 2000, the company received $30.7 million from life-insurance policies that the company had taken out on 380 Wal-Mart employees. Earning between $65,000 and $80,000 for every staff member, and upwards of $100,000 for the managers, Wal-Mart was taken to court by the families of the dead employees. Wal-Mart settled out of court for $10.4 million."
WOW! Wal-Mart STILL made more than 20 MILLION on its DEAD employees. Not the dead employees' families but WAL-MART!
Wal-Mart's Culture of Control
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Posted by: wobuzhidao on Jun 27, 2005 1:09 PM
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FRONTLINE: Is Wal-Mart Good for America
... One of the arguments made in Southern California against bringing in Wal-Mart stores is that they will dump an unfair burden on the public services of the local community, whether it's Inglewood or Los Angeles or wherever. And I just want to ask you, as a Wal-Mart manager who managed several stores in four different states, did you, in fact, counsel your employees to take advantage of public assistance because Wal-Mart wasn't providing adequate care for its employees?
I had a Rolodex on my desk, and I still have the Rolodex; I took it home with me. But it's full of business cards of social service outfits in the local city that I was running a store: indigent health care organizations that provided indigent health care, soup kitchens, everything, the United Way -- all these people that I had lined up that I would call in the event that an associate came into my office and said, "I can't afford to take my child to the doctor," "I can't afford groceries," or "I'm getting kicked out of my house," or whatever. And I would actually call these places. Many times, I would take the worker down to the United Way in my truck. They didn't know what to do. I'd take them down, help them make [an] application and get some help, you know.
So you actively encouraged and involved Wal-Mart employees, as a Wal-Mart manager, in using public assistance for programs and benefits that Wal-Mart itself didn't offer?
Yes, sir. Sure, I did it all the time. And I thought I was doing a good thing at the time. Now when I look back, I think, "Wow, that's incredibly poor that the company doesn't care enough about its workers to pay them a living wage and to help them with their medical costs, to pay for their medical expenses and things like that." ...
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Posted by: handyrae on Jun 27, 2005 1:54 PM
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As a feminist, I am constantly agast and offended by how many of my fellow women seem to think pregnancy is something that just happens to them or they feel that they are the wronged party in an unintended pregnancy. A women is ultimately responsibilty for her reproductive life because it is she that will ultimately have to make what may be very soul-searching choices that could effect the rest of her life. Sadly, the man can walk away, the woman can't. It may not be fair, it may not be right, but it is the way the world works.
All this leads up to my saying simply, if you can't afford to care for a baby don't have one--or five as the case may be. Be responsible not only to yourself by also to any children that you already have.
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Posted by: Danielhh on Jun 27, 2005 3:59 PM
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The point, as someone else tried to emphasize, is that Walmart, makes the choice to have more than 2 kids very hard becuase of its labor practises. You might also lament that this country doesn't have free health insurance for all instead of ranting about some woman who has made a different chioce than you would. Nowhere does the article suggest that the family is in anysort of dire straits, just that a bit of reasonable health insurance would go a huge distance to making that families life more comfortable. People have jumped ot conclusions to attack this woman. The only info we have is the lady has 5 kids, 2 preemies w/asthma (don't know what order the 2nd premie came in) and uses state health insurance because Walmarts sucks. Feminist: are all women who want many children societally brain-washed baby makers?
Why are there no calls that the state health insurance cover everyone like in Canada and Europe (note that in Canada this type of program was started in one province and was adopted nationally because of its success and affordablility- it can start in the US with one state too). Why no anger that this is hardly affordable largely because it is illegal to negotiate bulk buying prices for medications. This law has to be the one of the most harmful to the public, corporate purchased law that exists in America. It means that the US pays much more per person for health care for its citizens than Canada does and they get much less for that money. So Walmart employees are being neglected on all sides with a government which is working against them in almost all respects. Those Democrats who are trying to get more health care money out of Walmart are hypocrites if they don't also work against the Pharmaceutical companies who are sucking profit specifically out of Americans ill health with laws to aid that.
So much more to be said about Walmart and the sad state of the US health care system as a whole and half the responders are more worried about bitcihng about a lady having five kids.
If she loves her children, they'll be fine, and it seems to me that a few people in these commentaries could have used a little more love or a few more siblings to beat on them to get out their selfish opinions anyway.
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Posted by: sbc_prod on Jun 27, 2005 8:06 PM
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They are quick to remind the public that Wal-Mart will create 100,000 jobs this year, and that 160,000 people who didn't have health insurance previously now have it through their coverage. "The question to ask is 'where would they be without Wal-Mart?' We help insure over 900,000 Americans [which includes employees' dependents]. If all of a sudden we stopped doing that, where would we be?" asks Hurst.
I would like to venture a guess that we would probably be where we were before walmart. Perhaps some of the employees would own several of the small businesses that are now non-existant because of walmart. Maybe some of the other employees would be their employees. Maybe they would pay them decent wages and provide benefits. Quite possibly we would pay slightly higher prices for products - but does it really matter? You're paying the money now in taxes to subsidize the healthcare. Better the workers with higher wages pocket the money and funnel it back into the economy than it get funneled into walmarts pockets...
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Walmart and the Bushites do not believe in recreational sex. The only reason to have sex is to produce more soldiers for the empire. We are in an "endless war", you know. They can't keep reclyling forever the 50-year-olds now fighting it.
If this lady produces more soldiers, she is a hero. Send her a cheap Chinese-made American flag.
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Posted by: antiapathy on Jul 3, 2005 12:15 PM
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Why is everyone attacking the poor woman from the beginning of the story? This isn't China, people are entitled to have as many kids as they want. She obviously felt she could afford to feed and shelter five kids, so I don't see how it was irresponsible for her to have them. I don't think she wanted them to be premature or to develop asthma, so lay off the poor mother.
As for the rest of the article and comments, I agree that our nation needs a national healthcare plan. I personally believe that health care is a basic human right, and that the profit-driven nature of the current system is antithetical to the provision of that right. Also, walmart's anti-union stance is just one example of it's leadership role in the race to the bottom that is the american retail service economy. But until the majority of consumers realize that shopping there is harmful for the community we are stuck in this tragedy of the commons situation where everyone only does what they perceive is in their best financial interest, no matter what the consequences to the overall economy.
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Posted by: Quilpole on Jul 4, 2005 9:29 AM
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Of course, Thatcher spent considerable energy in the 80's in dismantling the system, so I'm not sure I'd want to live under it now.
My point is, these types of system are not only possible, but very desirable for the entire population. The stresses accompanying unemployment are considerably eased with the knowledge that the family's healthcare is still under control.
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1. Gates, William H III
2. Buffett, Warren Edward
3. Allen, Paul Gardner
4. Walton, Helen R
5. Walton, S Robson
6. Walton, John T
7. Walton, Jim C
8. Walton, Alice L
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Posted by: lindalee on Jul 5, 2005 7:53 PM
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She is not irresponsible....she simply wants to care for her children. Walmart is evil.
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Thus, anyone reading this post who works for Wal*Mart, or anyone who cares about someone who works there ~ contact the UCFW, Wake-Up Wal*Mart or my personal favorite, the United Brotherhood of Teamsters, and offer to help them help make the money-grubbing employee-bashing trolls offer fair salaries, benefits and freedom to join a union to their employees!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 27, 2005 4:36 AM
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I find her actions almost as appalling as Wal Mart's practices. I do not have children and one the main reasons is because I can not afford to provide a child with a decent life.
It is good to see that through legislation Wal Marts low prices may be shown how they are deferred to us all in other ways. Are their prices really that low when we pay through taxation via medical subsidies and tax incentives for them to build new stores?
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2) Perhaps with the shortage of social security, we ought to be encouraging people to have children and helping them raise productive workers!
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Posted by: LMNOP on Jun 27, 2005 5:37 AM
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Talk is cheap. And so is Congress.
That will be the day when this parliament of whores enacts a piece of legislation that helps ordinary citizens at the expense of a major corporation. (No offense intended to prostitutes who actually perform a valuable service for willing customers in exchange for a living income.)
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Posted by: xenacat on Jun 27, 2005 6:05 AM
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Posted by: morningstar777 on Jun 27, 2005 7:00 AM
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One thing that I have respected about Walmart is their ability to know that not everyone can afford the higher priced Items at the malls. Basically, it has catered to the lower class for quite awhile. For every cause, there is an effect.
But, why stop at attacking Walmart?
Is McDonalds next on the agenda?How about Dominoes or Burger King?
their Benefits packages stink there, as well.
Maybe the real culprit is the medical insurance offered in the first place.
There is sooo much money rolling around in the medical field, it would make your head spin.
I completely support our former president Clinton who tried to provide Healthcare to everyone. This would have never been an issue, if it had passed.
And, with our healthcare below Canadas, maybe they have a point?
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Posted by: pulsatrix on Jun 27, 2005 7:15 AM
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"I believe every worker should have healthcare provided by the employer. It should be a right," says Bernie Hesse, director of organizing for United Food and Commercial Workers Local 789 in Minnesota.
When will we get over this notion and institute a rational, single-payer system, one where we don't depend on unreliable employers to provide health care?
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Posted by: sandifehr on Jun 27, 2005 7:59 AM
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Posted by: anewport on Jun 27, 2005 8:42 AM
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Most insurance plans will charge extra to cover pre-exisitong conditions or exclude treating the pre-exisitng condition. Insurance plans like covering single healthy adults who only go to the doctor once a year or less. These customers create a nice profit for the company. Everyone else is a drain on profits.
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Posted by: dan10opa on Jun 27, 2005 8:51 AM
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I think insurance companies are nothing more than legal orgnaized crime.
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Posted by: StacyM on Jun 27, 2005 8:54 AM
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Then you turn around and attack some woman because she is a product of the culture of life's ideal lifestyle?
And yes, we do owe these workers something; we owe it to them to make Wal-Mart give them a decent standard of living. Because I'm willing to bet almost everyone that has commented has shopped at Wal-Mart or one of it's ilk for the "Low Prices", and in doing so, feeding a beast that was anti-union and anti-American from the start. We should of never given them a cent. The day we learned about their union-busting we should have been boycotting the store and protesting it's anti-American work ethics. We should of raised more of a ruckus when small town independently owned stores had to close because they had no chance to compete due to Wal-Mart's importation of cheap goods from China. But we didn't, because those DVDs were damn cheap, weren't they? Even now, what are we focusing on in this story? The integrity of the woman, not Wal-Mart.
Why are people so adamant to protect things that are destroying our country under the banner of “capitalism”? Trust me, Wal-Mart will be fine if they give their workers a living wage – they have more than enough money to go around. We are not asking small-business owner USA to give up his supper to help his employees here, we are asking a corporate giant to do one of the most basic human decencies – be nice and share before you buy that 300th bathroom with the professional masseuse always on duty. And no one stood up and held their feet to the fire on this, we ran away whimpering with our tails between our legs at the first shouts of “Anti-capitalism!” and let Wal-Mart and it’s ilk ravage our country.
In closing, we all helped make this monster into what it is; we are all accountable for the people they hurt.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 27, 2005 9:08 AM
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What a deal.
You get to pay for it to be built.
You get to assume the debt service.
They destroy your local stores with predatory pricing.
They sell merchandise from countries with no OSHA or EPA.
They contribute VERY LITTLE to the local community.
They cost shift their insurance onto the Medicaid system. They pay No Property taxes as a tenant.
They staff with mostly part-time workers, insuring a large turn-over-- keeping their labor costs low.
They move every decade or so into new stores built by you, the taxpayer, starting the cycle over again.
Many competitors have had to follow the model or follow the long list of companies listed as Wal-Mart roadkill. What ever happened to anti-trust laws?
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Posted by: dennis1361 on Jun 27, 2005 10:01 AM
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#1 I am an insurance broker and have been for 40 years. The insurance program at Walmart is a fraud and intended to discriminate against whole groups of people.For example defining part time as less than 35 hrs a week. Most reputable insurance contracts use 20 hours. Keep in mind it is Wal mart that is dictating the terms of coverage not the insurance carriers. The company is a disgrace and if I sold health insurance coverage similar to Wal marts I would have my license revoked for fraud.
#2 In the State of California we subsidize Wal Mart by providing $86,000,000 worth of benefits a year to their employees. We should tax Wal Mart directly for those benefits
Wal Mart represents everything that is wrong with this country. Wal Mart's corporate greed is breath taking
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Posted by: jyoung on Jun 27, 2005 10:40 AM
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I feel that it's well PAST the time for people to stop shopping at Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart (WM) has scaled so large, that it can do whatever it wishes, and it most likely has the law on its side too. Demand is the only thing that will cripple WM as a supplier, people need to wise up and in spirit of a recent frontline episode Stop 'shopping themselves into unemployment'.
"..."I believe every worker should have healthcare provided by the employer. It should be a right," says Bernie Hesse..."
I work for myself, and you know what, the insurance I can afford to purchase privately borders on pathetic. Wal-Mart is the coal mine of the present. Meager labor, meager pay, and economic insecurity is the new black lung. Would a better benefits plan have fixed the basic flaw for such labor of days past? WM is greedy, that's the point, and that's why it is the envy of the corporate world. Not everyone has an employer, this kind of thinking is short sighted and would be better served by contemplating either universal health coverage provided by the government, or a redesign of the way private insurance is offered by actually SEVERING it from employers - as people job hop so frequently in today's economy.
WM will never truly morph into a benevolent corporate citizen and employer. So, if a WM is coming to your town, petition to stop it. If it gets built, don't shop there. If WM is your only job option, then move. I and many people I know have made the tough decision and moved away from families to different parts of the country to hack out a living. Wake up folks, stop whining, and start paying that extra $1 to shop at a different store and don't expect WM to shift from a shareholder profiteer to a welfare state. You say it's not that simple, but sometimes it actually is.
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Posted by: wobuzhidao on Jun 27, 2005 12:18 PM
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There are many Wal-Marts these days that not only REFUSE to fill contraceptive prescriptions BACKED BY WAL-MART but actually confiscate the prescriptions so the woman can't go to another pharmacy (that Wal-Mart has run out of town) to get it filled. However, Wal-Mart does fill Viagra prescriptions (directly opposed to birth control), and sell condoms AT RETAIL. Seems it is indeed a MALE culture at Wal-Mart. Women & Children LAST.
Wal-Mart's meager health care that percentage-wise costs so much to use also doesn't cover birth control. I would bet IF it ever had pharmacy coverage it would only cover Wal-Mart pharmacies.
I suppose, if you can't afford the health care coverage at Wal-Mart you likely can't afford the contraceptives either and sure can't afford the abortion that is so EVIL. Let alone the doctor visits. Choice is way more than abortion.
Alternet Story on Wal-Mart & Birth Control
Wal-Mart's Wicked Ways
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Posted by: verdanteye@yahoo.com on Jun 27, 2005 12:35 PM
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If this woman had had decent insurance in the first place, she wouldn't have had to rely on public assistance, THAT'S the point. Spouting off self-righteously about how many children she had, and how much "better" you are than her is quite silly and pointless, since you really know absolutely nothing about her other than the few facts mentioned in the article.
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Posted by: wobuzhidao on Jun 27, 2005 12:44 PM
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Wal-Mart's Current Litigations
Meanwhile, Wal-Mart takes out Life Insurance on its employees PAYABLE TO WAL-MART:
"Between 1994 and 2000, the company received $30.7 million from life-insurance policies that the company had taken out on 380 Wal-Mart employees. Earning between $65,000 and $80,000 for every staff member, and upwards of $100,000 for the managers, Wal-Mart was taken to court by the families of the dead employees. Wal-Mart settled out of court for $10.4 million."
WOW! Wal-Mart STILL made more than 20 MILLION on its DEAD employees. Not the dead employees' families but WAL-MART!
Wal-Mart's Culture of Control
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FRONTLINE: Is Wal-Mart Good for America
... One of the arguments made in Southern California against bringing in Wal-Mart stores is that they will dump an unfair burden on the public services of the local community, whether it's Inglewood or Los Angeles or wherever. And I just want to ask you, as a Wal-Mart manager who managed several stores in four different states, did you, in fact, counsel your employees to take advantage of public assistance because Wal-Mart wasn't providing adequate care for its employees?
I had a Rolodex on my desk, and I still have the Rolodex; I took it home with me. But it's full of business cards of social service outfits in the local city that I was running a store: indigent health care organizations that provided indigent health care, soup kitchens, everything, the United Way -- all these people that I had lined up that I would call in the event that an associate came into my office and said, "I can't afford to take my child to the doctor," "I can't afford groceries," or "I'm getting kicked out of my house," or whatever. And I would actually call these places. Many times, I would take the worker down to the United Way in my truck. They didn't know what to do. I'd take them down, help them make [an] application and get some help, you know.
So you actively encouraged and involved Wal-Mart employees, as a Wal-Mart manager, in using public assistance for programs and benefits that Wal-Mart itself didn't offer?
Yes, sir. Sure, I did it all the time. And I thought I was doing a good thing at the time. Now when I look back, I think, "Wow, that's incredibly poor that the company doesn't care enough about its workers to pay them a living wage and to help them with their medical costs, to pay for their medical expenses and things like that." ...
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Posted by: handyrae on Jun 27, 2005 1:54 PM
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As a feminist, I am constantly agast and offended by how many of my fellow women seem to think pregnancy is something that just happens to them or they feel that they are the wronged party in an unintended pregnancy. A women is ultimately responsibilty for her reproductive life because it is she that will ultimately have to make what may be very soul-searching choices that could effect the rest of her life. Sadly, the man can walk away, the woman can't. It may not be fair, it may not be right, but it is the way the world works.
All this leads up to my saying simply, if you can't afford to care for a baby don't have one--or five as the case may be. Be responsible not only to yourself by also to any children that you already have.
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Posted by: Danielhh on Jun 27, 2005 3:59 PM
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The point, as someone else tried to emphasize, is that Walmart, makes the choice to have more than 2 kids very hard becuase of its labor practises. You might also lament that this country doesn't have free health insurance for all instead of ranting about some woman who has made a different chioce than you would. Nowhere does the article suggest that the family is in anysort of dire straits, just that a bit of reasonable health insurance would go a huge distance to making that families life more comfortable. People have jumped ot conclusions to attack this woman. The only info we have is the lady has 5 kids, 2 preemies w/asthma (don't know what order the 2nd premie came in) and uses state health insurance because Walmarts sucks. Feminist: are all women who want many children societally brain-washed baby makers?
Why are there no calls that the state health insurance cover everyone like in Canada and Europe (note that in Canada this type of program was started in one province and was adopted nationally because of its success and affordablility- it can start in the US with one state too). Why no anger that this is hardly affordable largely because it is illegal to negotiate bulk buying prices for medications. This law has to be the one of the most harmful to the public, corporate purchased law that exists in America. It means that the US pays much more per person for health care for its citizens than Canada does and they get much less for that money. So Walmart employees are being neglected on all sides with a government which is working against them in almost all respects. Those Democrats who are trying to get more health care money out of Walmart are hypocrites if they don't also work against the Pharmaceutical companies who are sucking profit specifically out of Americans ill health with laws to aid that.
So much more to be said about Walmart and the sad state of the US health care system as a whole and half the responders are more worried about bitcihng about a lady having five kids.
If she loves her children, they'll be fine, and it seems to me that a few people in these commentaries could have used a little more love or a few more siblings to beat on them to get out their selfish opinions anyway.
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They are quick to remind the public that Wal-Mart will create 100,000 jobs this year, and that 160,000 people who didn't have health insurance previously now have it through their coverage. "The question to ask is 'where would they be without Wal-Mart?' We help insure over 900,000 Americans [which includes employees' dependents]. If all of a sudden we stopped doing that, where would we be?" asks Hurst.
I would like to venture a guess that we would probably be where we were before walmart. Perhaps some of the employees would own several of the small businesses that are now non-existant because of walmart. Maybe some of the other employees would be their employees. Maybe they would pay them decent wages and provide benefits. Quite possibly we would pay slightly higher prices for products - but does it really matter? You're paying the money now in taxes to subsidize the healthcare. Better the workers with higher wages pocket the money and funnel it back into the economy than it get funneled into walmarts pockets...
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Posted by: pursah on Jun 29, 2005 1:07 PM
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Walmart and the Bushites do not believe in recreational sex. The only reason to have sex is to produce more soldiers for the empire. We are in an "endless war", you know. They can't keep reclyling forever the 50-year-olds now fighting it.
If this lady produces more soldiers, she is a hero. Send her a cheap Chinese-made American flag.
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Posted by: antiapathy on Jul 3, 2005 12:15 PM
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Why is everyone attacking the poor woman from the beginning of the story? This isn't China, people are entitled to have as many kids as they want. She obviously felt she could afford to feed and shelter five kids, so I don't see how it was irresponsible for her to have them. I don't think she wanted them to be premature or to develop asthma, so lay off the poor mother.
As for the rest of the article and comments, I agree that our nation needs a national healthcare plan. I personally believe that health care is a basic human right, and that the profit-driven nature of the current system is antithetical to the provision of that right. Also, walmart's anti-union stance is just one example of it's leadership role in the race to the bottom that is the american retail service economy. But until the majority of consumers realize that shopping there is harmful for the community we are stuck in this tragedy of the commons situation where everyone only does what they perceive is in their best financial interest, no matter what the consequences to the overall economy.
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Of course, Thatcher spent considerable energy in the 80's in dismantling the system, so I'm not sure I'd want to live under it now.
My point is, these types of system are not only possible, but very desirable for the entire population. The stresses accompanying unemployment are considerably eased with the knowledge that the family's healthcare is still under control.
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1. Gates, William H III
2. Buffett, Warren Edward
3. Allen, Paul Gardner
4. Walton, Helen R
5. Walton, S Robson
6. Walton, John T
7. Walton, Jim C
8. Walton, Alice L
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Posted by: lindalee on Jul 5, 2005 7:53 PM
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She is not irresponsible....she simply wants to care for her children. Walmart is evil.
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Thus, anyone reading this post who works for Wal*Mart, or anyone who cares about someone who works there ~ contact the UCFW, Wake-Up Wal*Mart or my personal favorite, the United Brotherhood of Teamsters, and offer to help them help make the money-grubbing employee-bashing trolls offer fair salaries, benefits and freedom to join a union to their employees!!!!!!!!
cyndy rich
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