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The Great Live 8 Debate

By Traci Hukill, AlterNet. Posted June 23, 2005.


The Live 8 concerts are part of a larger effort that will do some good for Africa, despite critics who have slammed Bob Geldof for staging another ego-serving aidfest.
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It's official, again. People suck.

You give them free tickets to a concert for a good cause and they try to sell them on eBay for hundreds of dollars. You organize eight kick-ass shows around the world and they complain that the lineup is too white, too commercial, too whatever. You call attention to one of the modern world's deepest sources of shame --a continent pillaged for centuries, now left to fester -- and they criticize you for being negative. They accuse you of grandstanding, of heaving your aging rocker's carcass back into the spotlight for one last pitiful boogie with fame.

If I were Bob Geldof, I'd go live in a cave after all this Live 8 business is over with. July 7 would be a good day to leave. By then, the free concerts that Geldof organized in London, Cornwall, Philadelphia, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Johannesburg, Tokyo and Toronto will be over. The Long Walk to Justice will have come to an end, culminating in hordes of people arriving on July 6 in Edinburgh, 20 miles from Gleneagles, where the leaders of the eight richest countries in the world are gathered for their annual summit July 6-8. The strains of Dido and Travis will have died out in Edinburgh's Murrayfield Stadium. The headaches will be over. Geldof can listen to results of the G-8 summit, the impetus for it all, on the transistor radio in his cave, absently finger-combing his unruly, sexy-old-rocker locks.

But Sir Bob, knighted in 1985 for his work fighting African poverty, is undoubtedly too tough, egotistical and committed for that, so he'll probably hang around for the end of the G-8 (which gathers the presidents of Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States) before going on back home to London. There, he'll most likely continue doing the kind of work that got him named, alongside Tanzanian President Benjamin Mkapa and Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, to British Prime Minister Tony Blair's seventeen-member Commission for Africa.

That's where the real work has been done; Live 8 is just unofficial publicity for it. The Commission's work has driven Blair's agenda of debt forgiveness, increased aid and better trade terms for Africa, with impressive success so far: the G-8 nations have agreed to write off all $40 billion of debt for Africa's poorest 14 nations and four others in Latin America. In response to the Commission's recommendation to double current aid to sub-Saharan Africa to $50 billion by 2010, Europe has agreed to raise its foreign aid spending to .7 percent of GNP, though Washington stubbornly refuses to budge from the .15 percent range.

People like to sneer at rock stars like Geldof and Bono, another crusader for Africa, as dilettantes whose egos have deluded them into thinking they are political forces to be reckoned with. In recent weeks, Geldof's been accused of hubris and megalomania by British politicians, of all people, for inviting Nelson Mandela and the Pope to the concerts. British commentator Peter Hitchens wrote in the Mail that it was in fact Africa's starving children who were rescuing the "sagging reputations" of "balding, clapped-out rock stars." Spiked Online's Mick Hume calls the whole thing "every bit as paternalistic as the old imperialist attitudes."

But from here, it looks like Geldof has rung the bell, musically and politically.

Musically, the nine shows scheduled for July 2 add up to an astounding lineup: the Sex Pistols, Coldplay, Madonna, Scissor Sisters, U2, Green Day, Roxy Music, REM, Stevie Wonder, Brian Wilson, A-ha, The Cure, P. Diddy and Youssou N'Dour are just a few of the luminaries. There were immediate complaints that it was too white an event -- the United Kingdom's Black Information Link called it "hideously white" -- and the fact that most of the big-name African bands are relegated to Cornwall does in fact seem random. Live 8 organizers responded that the goal was simply to get as many big-name stadium-filling acts onstage as possible.

Politically, Live 8 is brilliant. Live Aid, 1985's spectacular charity concert, raised $100 million for Ethiopia, then in the grip of a four-year famine. After that Geldof was done, uninterested in lame follow-ups. But as soon as it became evident that things were conspiring to put Africa on the global stage in 2005, friends wouldn't let Geldof rest. First there was the Commission for Africa, which completed its work in March. Blair planned to use the U.K.'s turn at the head of the G-8, and its shift at the rotating helm of the European Union presidency starting in July, as bully pulpits to promote the Commission's recommendations. This in turn would coincide with United Nations' five-year checkup of the world's progress on meeting the Millennium Development Goals, which aim to end the world's worst poverty in 2015. Politically, it couldn't be a better moment to focus on Africa.

And it also happened that Live Aid's 20th anniversary was coming up. Friends Bono and Richard Curtis (who wrote Notting Hill) hectored Geldof into staging another event -- but Geldof made this one different, and herein lies the genius of Live 8. Twenty years ago, Live Aid was an appeal to individuals to give money, and they did, by purchasing expensive tickets for shows in London and Philadelphia. But this time, the eight concerts are free, the tickets given away by lottery, because Geldof has apparently realized that individual contributions to charity will not haul Africa out of poverty. It's gone way past the point where that can work. Only real political will in the world's richest capitals can do the job. And so Live 8's goal is not to raise cash, though that would help in the short run, but to raise awareness -- political awareness that can translate into political pressure to bring Africa into the family of self-sufficient nations.

"It's about justice, not charity," Geldof says. That represents an awakening on his part, a sophistication that was not in place 20 years ago when he was a conscience-stricken former frontman for the Boomtown Rats who had happened to catch a BBC documentary on Ethiopia on the tube. Band Aid, the group of musicians he gathered to record "Do They Know It's Christmas" in November 1984, was named in humble recognition of the limitations of cash aid. Now Geldof is putting that recognition into action and trying to use his influence to change policy.

That didn't quell his aggravation when Live 8 tickets started turning up on eBay. They were going for as much as $1,800, and Geldof did two things: he encouraged people to bid fake millions for the tickets to stop the bidding, and he bitched at eBay, prompting a firestorm of self-righteous whining after eBay backed down. "[This] may have serious consequences for the long-term shape of the online world," fretted BBC commentator Bill Thompson. "After all, if Geldof can get items removed from aution, who else is going to use this as a tactic in the future?" To which some of us might respond: Who cares?

The standoff had some symbolic import; Geldof refused to accept eBay's offer to donate the auction fees to charity, calling it "filthy money made on the back of the poorest people on the planet -- stick it where it belongs."

Good for him. Anyone who pays attention to what is happening in Africa -- and it's not that easy to keep doing that, because it is awfully depressing -- knows Africa needs it. There are eight U.N. peacekeeping operations in Africa and 15 million people who can't go home because of conflicts. In Sub-Saharan Africa, 300 million people -- about the population of the United States -- live on less than $1 a day. Another 300 million people lack access to clean water. Each year, 1 million African children, one every 30 seconds, die of malaria. Every day, 8,500 Africans contract HIV.

Okay, so this is too negative. There may be good news coming out of Africa about inspiring individuals and the resilience of the human spirit and the incremental victories of stable nations like Botswana and Ghana against AIDS and poverty, but I'm looking at the Human Development Report of the U.N. Development Program, and it tells a different story. The HDR 2004 ranks countries according to a formula that considers life expectancy, educational attainment and adjusted real income. The first African country on the list is Seychelles, number 35, a little-populated tourist mecca and island paradise. The next is Libya, 58 -- oil country. Then there's Mauritius, 64 (island paradise); Algeria, 108 (oil and gas); and so on. Only at 119, South Africa, do you reach one of the continental Sub-Saharan countries that does not enjoy oil wealth -- in other words, a typical African country. And there are only 177 nations on the list. Most of Africa's 54 nations fill the bottom of it.

Live 8 is not going to make Africa whole, but it might start the ball rolling toward a solution. Forgiveness of debt is a start. Increased aid is needed to help get infrastructure, health care, education and agriculture up and running, according to economist and Millennium Goals adviser Jeffrey Sachs. Perhaps most important in the long run, though, is trade. Africa has just 2 percent of the world's trade, and the easing of textile tariffs on China could drain even that small amount by pressuring the infant textiles industry in southern Africa and Uganda. Economists suggest that if Africa could get just 1 percent more of global trade, it would equal $70 billion a year -- almost three times what it gets in annual development aid.

Geldof acknowledges the difficulty of all this, the quixotic nature of believing a handful of rock concerts staged four days before the start of a political summit can change the course of history. But, as he told Reuters, "How do we create domestic heat to pressure them into doing something they don't particularly want to do? We will not get there if we don't do ludicrous circuses like giant concerts ... and stars being rallied."

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Traci Hukill is a freelance journalist based in Monterey, Calif.

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Live 8 and G8 summit in Scotland
Posted by: dearkitty on Jun 23, 2005 12:53 AM   
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More on Live 8 and G8 summit in Scotland: here.

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JINGOIST
Posted by: jingoist on Jun 23, 2005 3:44 AM   
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When will we stop enabling African tyrants by feeding their masses? Remember the last time? Corrupt henchmen stole large quantities of supplies and fed their troops while starving others. I understand the humanitarian arguments in the short term. In the long term we have to do something about the Sudans and the Zimbabwes of the world that are run by horrific Saddam-like tyrants. Filling bellies and making yourself feel good is short term medicine and long term poison. The same goes for North Korea. We have to stop enabling tyrants! There has to be a better way. JINGOIST

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Bards of the Powerful
Posted by: Estlin on Jun 23, 2005 6:59 AM   
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Indeed, there has been criticism of Geldolf (and Bono) from certain quarters. Interestingly, however, one of those critics is George Monbiot, columnist for the progressive Guardian newspaper. He calls both musicians "Bards of the Powerful" who could simply be apologists for world governments. This is unfortunate, says Monbiot, because Bono and Geldof "have assumed the role of arbiters: of determining on our behalf whether the leaders of the G8 nations should be congratulated or condemned for the decisions they make. They are not qualified to do so, and I fear that they will sell us down the river." It's a legitimate concern.

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"Band aid" indeed
Posted by: Siciliana on Jun 23, 2005 7:45 AM   
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Of course raised political awareness is a prerequisite to any real change, and while the odd cash infusion does not reach thesystemic cause of Africa's woes, if it is chanelled correctly we can hope that it can help somebody. But as the article says, just a slightly larger share of global trade dollars will help Africa more than any individual or national policy can or will; and in the end, aid won't haul Africa out of poverty, a legitimate and sustainable economic infrastructure will. So where is the discussion of the WOrld Bank, IMF and WTO policies that keep the developing world in poverty? For example, under the WTO's Agreement on Agriculture and the World Bank/IMF-imposed Structural Adjustment Programmes, developing nations are forced to open their markets to cheap food imports while reducing support for their own farmers, among other "sweeping tade liberalisation" measures". In return for Western aid dollars, they are being forced to act as a dumping ground for dirt-cheap Western surplus, and to abandon the seeds of their own sustainable economic infrastructures--sounds like a systemic cause of poverty to me.

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» RE: "Band aid" indeed Posted by: nakis
G8 will not benefit Africa
Posted by: bqtrain on Jun 23, 2005 7:53 AM   
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The G8 conference will do nothing to increase the welfare of the African continent. In order to qualify for debt relief, the individual countries must agree to privatize more of their resources. A large percentage of the resources in Africa are already under the control of G8 corporations. This is one reason poverty is so rampant in Africa. The fact that corporations will benefit greatly from these measures is the main reason George W Bush and Tony Blair are very supportive of these measures. These two men ordered the murder of over 100,000 Iraqis in the past few years, do you honestly believe they care about poor Africans? George W Bush doesn't even care about poor Americans. If Africa wants to get itself out of poverty, it needs to follow the example of Bolivia, where the indiginous are constantly protesting to keep its resources democratically controlled by the people, rather than rich westerners.

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» RE: G8 will not benefit Africa Posted by: michaele
deconstruct everything and you're left with...
Posted by: LStokes on Jun 23, 2005 10:35 AM   
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i'm happy to see this piece and others like it actually talking about how something is GOOD. in today's world we go about criticizing a whole lot. it's nice to see a positive comment on something that has a positive motive, if nothing else. geldof may not be the most moral person out there, but at least he's not being a selfish rocker, he's putting himself out there to try to do some good, and we should give him some props for that.

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Huge Blessings and Respect To Sir Bob Geldof
Posted by: Semrete on Jun 23, 2005 11:19 AM   
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This is Part 1 of the comments because only 2,500 or so characters are allowed on this. So I will have to deliver Part 2 next time. Sorry, but there you have it Crazy Rules of Posting The Truth, but not allowed to Fully express one self.

To be fair to Sir Bob Geldof, I need to say that when Live Aid was organised back in the 1980's, it was he who stood up and organised the Band Aid single "Do They Know it's Christmas" and again it was he who organised the Live Aid Concert that raised so much money and awareness. At that time I did not see any people getting up and organising anything to help the poor starving people of Ethiopia. It was only after the event that some superstars in the USA decided to do a song and something positive to help the starving people in Ethiopia.

Love and Respect Sir Bob Geldof to the Max! For organising the "Do They Know it's Christmas" Single and then the Incredible Live Aid Concerts, while so many Mega Stars, Holywood Superstars and Governments stood by and watched babies dying of Starvation - Just incredible, how Screwed up this world really is!

Sir Bob was the first to do anything and me being of African descent ( born in Nairobi, Kenya and a member of the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church ) must say that I do give Thanks to Sir Bob for organising the whole of the Live Aid event and helping to save the lives of Millions of Africans. I say let GOD be his Judge and I suggest you who critisize him, go and ask the Ethiopian children who survived the famine back in the 80's, just what they think of Sir Bob Geldof. Some critics who have slammed Bob Geldof for staging another ego-serving aidfest and to that I would like to just say, so what if as some have suggested that he is just serving his ego?!! I say to all of you with Respect, that after all that is said and done he is still helping the people and continent of Africa and you should let GOD be his Judge.


Having said that, I did offer the services of Connecting Routes to Sir Bob Geldof and told the organisers of Live8 that we would come and perform for Free and that we had the perfect anthem in the song called "CONFERENCE" to deliver to the world leaders, the dictators in the world and especially to the eight leaders of the richest countries in the world.

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Huge Blessings and Respect To Sir Bob Geldof - Part 2
Posted by: Semrete on Jun 23, 2005 11:26 AM   
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This is Part 2 of the First Statement which I am Forced to break up because they only allow a maximum of 2,500 or so characters. SHAME. But there it is. Looks like there will now have to be a Part 3 as well. Sorry Folks!

Therlow really wanted to deliver Conference and other conscious spiritual songs to the world leaders and the rest of the world so that things would change in a positive way. But unfortunately we were turned down and told that they have enough acts for the Live8 concerts. I even sent them the Lyrics to read, but still they didn't go for it. For me personally, Conference is so crucial and it is the one song that definitely needs to be heard at that Live8 event. It is just so perfect for that event and the organisors can't see or feel it, like I do.


Reggae is a music of truth and Connecting Routes will continue to be the voice of the oppressed, the downtrodden, the homeless, the hungry, the shelterless, the motherless, fatherless, the aged, widows, the infirm and the orphans. Justice and Truth forever. One Love.

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Huge Blessings and Respect To Sir Bob Geldof Part 3
Posted by: Semrete on Jun 23, 2005 11:34 AM   
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Part 3
Therlow really wanted to deliver Conference and other conscious spiritual songs to the world leaders and the rest of the world so that things would change in a positive way. But unfortunately we were turned down and told that they have enough acts for the Live8 concerts. I even sent them the Lyrics to read, but still they didn't go for it. For me personally, Conference is so crucial and it is the one song that definitely needs to be heard at that Live8 event. It is just so perfect for that event and the organisors can't see or feel it, like I do.
Reggae is a music of truth and Connecting Routes will continue to be the voice of the oppressed, the downtrodden, the homeless, the hungry, the shelterless, the motherless, fatherless, the aged, widows, the infirm and the orphans. Justice and Truth forever. One Love.

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i dream of megalomania
Posted by: sarah on Jun 23, 2005 11:46 AM   
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i'd like to be a tyrant, myself. But i don't really have the stomach, attention span, or the ability to sustain rage for durable lengths of time. I do daredream of conquest though. For example, after the hurricane hit florida, i thought... perhaps now, a revolution... and i'd dream that i'd go to florida and i'd promise to re-build... to both readicate the mosquitos and provide landfill for swampland. I'd waft into the destroyed state, perfumed and hairsprayed, smiling graciously and carrying bags of burgers with fries, as my muscled henchmen in loinclothes balance kegs of beer on their heads... Once all of these steps are completed, Florida would be mine. And then i could (and would) do whatever please me, to the people and to the land that i so easily made into my conquest.

I sound crazy, but isn't this what happens in the impoverished amd/or otherwise devastated countries of the African continent and elsewhere, throughout history. People need help or feel vulnerable. Then someone they trust as "one of them" or becomes who they think will be their "ideal leader," you know the one with charisma on one level or another who lets his/her people think that he WILL help them if they give him their lives, country, trust, power.... (even if that "help" is the distribution of goods provided by other whose intentions, at least, are pureas in the case of charitable donations). Then, once given that power, the perfume turns into stink, and the promises erode into mockery. And the country promised salvation is just the stomping ground one more tyrant on one more murderous, exclusionary power trip.

That's what's happening in the African countries, but the same could happen anywhere. Like i said, i'd love to be so powerful and full of promises that i had no intention of keeping, but i don't have the tolerance for cruelty necessary to sustain my empire.

in other words: The prob. with corruption in various african nations isn't because it's Africa. It's because there are humans in need surrounded by humans who are greedy. It's a prob. with our entire species, not just those in africa.

love, THE TRUE EMPRESS SARAH DAUGHERTY, MFA

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Big Respect and Huge Blessings to Sir Bob Geldof
Posted by: Semrete on Jun 23, 2005 11:49 AM   
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So much more to say but this site does not let me express all I needed to say in ONE statement, so I am forced by the controllers of this site to abandon all that I needed to say. What a Shame that you can't fully express yourself so that others can at least understand what one is trying to say.
Rajesh Aggarwal FRSA
Semrete Selassie - The Will of The Trinity
GOD BLESS SIR BOB GELDOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Geldof VS Africa
Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 23, 2005 12:36 PM   
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Well, I think we can all agree that Africa is in a dire need and that every little bit helps. Live 8 & Geldof are doing something for Africa but Africa is doing far more for them in return. Take the cash but don't give Geldof & co too much praise for it, they got enough already.

At any rate the problems in Africa cannot be solved until the continent is delivered from neo colonialism. The annulment of debts and economic aid aimed at improving infrastructure and economy are the essentials. Donating low quality agricultural surplus from the world’s richest nations is nothing more then a propaganda ploy and consciousness cleaning. This is very simplified but people should remember the priorities. First let us secure that Africans stop dying from starvation and diseases and then we can quibble about democracy and civil rights in Africa. The massacres, atrocities, human rights abuses, civil wars etc. are mostly results of the aching poverty, tackle that problem and the others will vanish or at least be easier to solve.

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» RE: Geldof VS Africa Posted by: michaele
A Noose, Not a Bracelet
Posted by: lsapozhn on Jun 23, 2005 1:13 PM   
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Naomi Klein has a good and somewhat more sophisticated article available at The Nation

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Puffery for Bob
Posted by: richards1052 on Jun 23, 2005 9:33 PM   
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I'm surprised that Alternet would publish such a paean of praise for Bob Geldof while being completely oblivious to the serious criticisms about the conception of the program for this event.

I would've thought that if Alternet wanted to write a piece praising Geldof that they might've run one of the many pieces online which have rightly criticized his myopia in originally booking but a single AFrican act for ALL Live8 concerts. Ony after a firestorm of criticism from the likes of Andy Kershaw (BBC 3 world music presenter) did he throw a sop by allowing a separate concert now called Africa Calling which features all AFrican acts. Which of course ghettoizes the music & guarantees that all eyes will be on the white, western musical performers & hardly any on the African musicians themselves (whose music btw is far more diverse, vibrant & joyous than Elton John, Paul McCartney & the other tired old white men on the Live8 bill).

Look, do I think it's a good thing to try to do what Geldof is doing? Sure. Do I think he's going about it in the right way? Nah. Bob wants to help the Africans...but African musicians can stay back as far as he's concerned. It's pathetic really.

My blog post on this subject is Live8: Is Geldof Tone Deaf?

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irrelevant
Posted by: kingfelix on Jun 23, 2005 10:32 PM   
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your blog can eat itself. when did you become an arbiter of Bob Geldof's activities?

please direct us to the schedule for your own worldwide series of concerts designed to help people in Africa.

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LIVE 8 MUSIC BIGOTRY
Posted by: howard444 on Jul 4, 2005 8:37 AM   
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By far the two most interesting concerts of the LIVE 8 day
were Rome and Berlin. They were also sidelined by the agenda of the BBC and the LIVE 8 organisers. The quality of artists and bands at the Rome show and the calibre of performance achieved on the day by Italian artists was a standard deserving far greater credit than most of the Hyde Park line-up. Despite this the only time the BBC went to Rome was for a tired performance by a tired and has-been Duran Duran. One can only conclude an agenda of overt cultural bigotry by the BBC toward Italian language, culture and music artists. The evidence speaks for itself as
Italy’s ELISA gave a performance that made Dido at Hyde
Park seem like a third rate contestant on Pop Idol. In the BBC’s promo hype for the show they promised to bring “the best of music from Paris, Rome and Berlin”. In reality they ignored superb quality sets from so many Italians including Francesco de Gregori, Zucchero, Elisa, Ligabue, Fiorella Mannoia (who brought the house down with a cover of Manu Chao’s “clandestino”a middle-aged woman who could teach Madonna and her industry spawn more than a thing or two) and an electrifying set from the brilliant Lorenzo Jovanotti a set that reached an energy and impact greater than anything seen in London or Philadelphia. None of which was transmitted on UK terrestrial analogue of digital TV. The forthcoming DVD’s will only correct this if you have a mind to import the Italian edition as the UK edition will not contain this evidence of the far more dynamic than the UK Italian music scene of the past 15 years. I always cringe when someone sings the praises of Later with Jools Holland...if that show was so bloody marvelous and the same goes for Glastonbury...where are the great continental acts? Where is the hospitality for superb calibre artists/bands as Zazie, Joy Denalane, Gentleman, Velvet, Tiromancino, Carmen Consoli, Giorgia, Elisa, Paola Turci, Autour De Lucie, Raiz, Almamegretta, M, Negrita, Planet Funk, Le Vibrazioni, Reamonn, Joana Zimmer, Silbermond, Subsonica, Francesco de Gregori and many others. In music terms LIVE 8 could have changed this. But instead the cultural apartheid of a racist-bigoted Anglo-Saxon pop music and celebrity dictatorship remained firmly in place. Why be shocked by the lack of Africans on the Hyde Park stage when this is how we treat our fellow Europeans? Think about it.

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my concern is about American HIV and our Social Security System
Posted by: peanut on Jul 7, 2005 3:37 AM   
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Are you giving "ALL" money that you made from the concerts, the publicity, the tickects, the internet, if you would all give all that you received it would be almost a billion dollars. You should be ashamed that you are asking us to give you $ when if each artist gave $1 million you would have a billion. You selfish people. We work. It is so ugly. Give what you have and save people. Exactly where is the $ going from the concerts going - OH thats right - to your plane tickets, you "I must have", and of course we know that Geldfo emtionally hurt his wife and the lead singer from INXS. They are both dead. President Bush is a good person. You give your $. If all of you gave $500,000 per person that performed plus the in take you would be well over a billion $ you selfish, awful people. It is not our gov't but people like you who can make a difference, OH but your expences - YOU HYPOCRiITS!!!!!!!!!!! As always trying to correct spelling errors. Your site will not allow

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