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Don't Dismiss Downing Street

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted June 22, 2005.


I don't know if these memos represent an impeachable offense. But they strike me as a hell of lot worse than anything Richard Nixon ever contemplated.
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I hope this is not too insider baseball, but I am genuinely astonished by what the bloggers call "mainstream media." (In my youth, it was quaintly called "the Establishment press.")

The New York Times, the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times have all gone way out of their way to deny that the Downing Street Memos (it's now plural) are news. Like many of you, during the entire lead-up to the war with Iraq, I thought the whole thing was a set-up.

I raise this point not to prove how smart we are, but to emphasize that I followed the debate closely and probably unconsciously searched for evidence that reinforced what I already thought. Most people do that. I read some of the European press and most of the liberal publications in this country. I read the Times, the Post, the Wall Street Journal and several Texas papers every day. It's my job.

But when I read the first Downing Street Memo, my eyes bugged out and my jaw fell open. I could not believe what I was reading. It was news to me, and as I have tried to indicate, I'm no slouch at keeping up. Yes, it has long seemed to me the administration had been planning the war for months before it began its pubic relations campaign to scare a skeptical public.

That was no easy task. Public opinion was still evenly divided at the time we invaded. The administration actually said it could invade another country without even consulting Congress or the United Nations. Pretty much everything that followed was a charade.

It was always weird that the White House kept saying it knew Saddam Hussein had WMD, but it would never tell the U.N. inspectors where. Yes, I suspected all that, but I was not the head of British intelligence in the summer of 2002, for pity's sake.

Here are some aggravating factors. Thomas Friedman, columnist for the New York Times, recently wrote that "liberals" no longer want to talk about the war because we were against it to start with and probably hope it ends in disaster. Good Lord, who does he think we are? Does this man actually think we are out here cheering every time another American is killed?

Mr. Friedman, real, actual, honest-to-God American liberals are out here in the heartland, and we know the kids who are dying in Iraq. They are from our hometowns. We know their parents. That's why we hate this war. That's why we tried to tell everybody else it was a ghastly idea.

We are not sitting here gloating because it is the horrible mess we said it would be. We're in agony. There is nothing pleasurable about being a Cassandra. I have said from the beginning that if this thing worked out the way Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney all said it would, I would be perfectly happy to get down on my knees and kiss George Bush's feet.

The second aggravation is that the very prestigious papers that are now dismissing the Downing Street Memos have already themselves admitted that their pre-war coverage was -- I don't know, you pick the adjective. Slack? Inadequate? Less than rigorous? Wrong? And now they're saying, oh hell, this isn't news, we knew it all along.

Michael Kinsley out at the Los Angeles Times, which has certainly done some commendable reporting on this war and taken the heat for it, too, also dismisses the memos. I don't get it. You suddenly get evidence -- I don't know if it proves or just strongly suggests -- that this administration lied to all of us about war, and your reaction is not to go after the administration, but to dismiss the evidence? And to put down the people who are calling you screaming about why you haven't bothered to mention it? What is wrong with this picture?

Also aggravating, the Republicans in Congress refuse to allow hearings. Rep. John Conyers of Michigan held "Democratic hearings," without the R's, in a room described as a large closet, because they were not allowed to use an actual hearing room. Under these difficult circumstances, 30 Democratic representatives persisted in asking the important question, "Were Americans deliberately misled in the lead-up to this war?" When did we come to the point where the minority has no place?

I don't know if these memos represent an impeachable offense -- although I must say, I don't want to bring up the Clinton comparison again. But they strike me as a hell of lot worse than anything Richard Nixon ever contemplated. He used the government for petty political vindictiveness. Heck, I'd settle for that again, over what we're looking at now.

The irony of Deep Throat surfacing after all these years in the midst of this memo mess is almost too precious. Does the Washington Post have any hungry young reporters on Metro anymore? I'd say, start with: Who did Dearlove meet with besides George Tenet?

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Molly Ivins writes about politics, Texas and other bizarre happenings.

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Thank you, Molly!
Posted by: emacnabb on Jun 22, 2005 4:07 AM   
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Sometimes I feel like I'm living in a bizarre alternate universe where pod people do not notice the significance of crucial evidence like the Downing Street memos (or melting ice caps, to give another example). Many thanks to Molly for sticking with it when the "big boys" of the press are squelching the voice of reason on every side.

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» RE: Thank you, Molly! Posted by: mountainmama
» RE: Thank you, Molly! Posted by: theenglishguy
Ole Bob Dole
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jun 22, 2005 4:15 AM   
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I never thought I would need to quote the Viagra salesman.
"Where is the anger, America? Where is the rage?"
The people who talk constantly of morals and truth have gotten away with the biggest lie ever told, and when that lie is exposed, nobody wants to see it. It's no big deal.
Those of us who have been skeptics all along have been relegated to the "lunatic, fanatical left" by the right wing media bloviators. What Ms. Ivins used to call the "Establishment Press" has been moved to "Liberal Media" by the same people.
Before the 2004 election, I blamed the Bush Administration. The closeness of that election, after all that was made apparent about the Bushies, indicated to me not only that this nation truely has its head in the sand, but that it knows it and likes it there.
If you want to save the country from itself, get to work on the 2006 election in your district and state.

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» RE: Ole Bob Dole Posted by: sbartram
» RE: Ole Bob Dole Posted by: Asses of Evil
If it's true then we should know about it
Posted by: girleagle1 on Jun 22, 2005 4:37 AM   
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After watching the movie, "The Fog of War" I got really scared. When the guy said that he believed that he was a war criminal my jaw dropped. All of the the stuff going on in Iraq is really horrible. It's hard for me to admit this because I love my country and I support the troops. But when I started learning more about the war from websites that my friends said were all just anti-american and propaganda and reading stories from actual soldiers I have to beleive them too. I very confused about why we are killing Iraqis. I know that they didn't bomb us.
The reason that people want to hide this information and not report it is that they are protecting someone, or being told not to report it. Even John Kerry is saying that the Memo's are not important. I think John Kerry is a big loser, and he can't be trusted same as Bill Clinton. Kerry has no real convictions, not even wrong ones, he just is so wishy washy becasue he wants to look good. If he's saying there is nothing about the memo's then there really must be alot of bad stuff in there that will prove the President lied.

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Excellent article that will be roundly ignored
Posted by: bettsoff on Jun 22, 2005 5:35 AM   
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What else is there to say? Where are the left's Newt and Linda? Who will break this open on the Hill?

No one.

Of course.

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Neo-Cons Learned from Watergate
Posted by: texshelters on Jun 22, 2005 6:11 AM   
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To rephrase a new adage: when Nixon lied, no one died. What gets me is that people are defending WAR. That means people are looking for reasons to send innocent soldiers whose only crime is growing up poor in America, to go kill innocent Iraquis whose only crime is being born in Iraq. On the flip side, reporters and many others are ignoring evidence that the war was based on lies and not necessary to national defence or security. Why wouldn't reporters jump at the chance to debunk the lies that have led to killing and chaos in the Middle East?

Well, the Neo-cons learned from Watergate, bought up mass media outlets, put the fear of retribution into the hearts of reporters everywhere and now the "liberal" media cows to the White House. Thankfully, there are some true liberals left out there, among them, our friend Molly Ivins.

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800 LB. Gorilla
Posted by: zoza on Jun 22, 2005 6:21 AM   
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There is an 800 pound gorilla sitting in the living room of the main stream media drinking a latte and they just don't see him there. This is the tip of the iceberg of the biggest crime story of the century. Piss on Friedman, Kinsley and Kerry....not a ball among them. Ivans, Pitt and a scarce few other writers are the ones we need to hoist up on broad shoulders and parade through the village.... shouting out... "HERE'S THE TRUTH!!!"

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» Our country and its Press. Posted by: Unbowed
FORGET NOTHING
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Jun 22, 2005 6:41 AM   
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Was this war pre-planned,of course it was! Have we done it before? You bet...WW2. We drafted the only plan that would defeat our new radar system,gave it to the enemy(?),sank the only sub that would call an alarm,then went to war.
9/11 is no diffrent.Alot of cooperation from them and us brought a major redevelopment to NYC,and,the People into a protracted war against an enemy(?) that once again WE created

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Worse Than Nixon or Clinton!
Posted by: mstenger on Jun 22, 2005 7:06 AM   
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C'mon Molly, I'm sure you know that these memos DO represent an impeachable offense!

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» RE: Worse Than Nixon or Clinton! Posted by: Asses of Evil
The Real Gorilla
Posted by: Saitia on Jun 22, 2005 7:20 AM   
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Your analogy is apt, but the Gorilla is not drinking a latte; he's ripping our young people (read Americans and Iraqis) apart with his bare hands.

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stokesed
Posted by: Stokesed on Jun 22, 2005 7:25 AM   
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Molly, I've read your column for years and always discounted your trashing of The Shrub as biased reporting.

May I say "Sorry - you were right" or am I too late?

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» RE: stokesed Posted by: jwg
» RE: stokesed Posted by: liberazi
» RE: stokesed Posted by: Bearzerker
Downing Street Memos Put Us on the Horns of a Dilemma
Posted by: Dadster3 on Jun 22, 2005 7:24 AM   
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Let's suppose that the public clamor rises to such a pitch that a sufficient number of congress persons are forced to find the courage to look into these revelations. Suppose an investigation finds that the allegations are true. We would have to do something about it. Indeed, not only would we have to impeach the president, but probably bring criminal charges against most of the major players in this administration; Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, Tenet, Powell and Franks at least. All of them, including Bush, could probably be indicted as war criminals. And we would be compelled to do it. Are we ready for that? Are we really ready for another impeachment, that most extreme measure under our laws to remove a sitting president and which has occurred only twice in over two centuries? And how would you punish them? What punishment could possibly fit a crime of such magnitude? Would we be willing to turn the elected leadership of this country over to the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague?

But if the allegations were proved to be true and we did nothing, what then? It seems to me that it would be the end of constutional government as we know it. I don't know what it would be, but it would not be a representative democracy ruled by law.

The stakes involved in running this issue to ground are enormous. I'm not sure we could survive it.

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» THEN CALL IT SADDAM-Y... Posted by: LMNOP
» Not DEAD yet Posted by: LMNOP
Still not sure?
Posted by: liberazi on Jun 22, 2005 7:26 AM   
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If you are still not sure, have you been to pnac.com? Check out their letter to President Clinton, where they urged invading Iraq in 1996. Or check out their 90 page manifesto, where they state it will take a "Pearl Harbor event" to be able to justify invading the Middle East (page 51 I think). Or how about their view that the "peace process" is unworkable, and what we really need to do is "provoke" the other side and then murder them all. The people that signed on to these theories are the same people who now run the country. They have provoked the other side, we have had the "Pearl Harbor event", and we are now in Iraq. Coincidence? Still not sure?

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Believe, Don't Think
Posted by: altere on Jun 22, 2005 7:47 AM   
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Molly Ivins is an individual, who, as she says, reads multiple newspapers every day. This, and the other research she does as a responsible and thoughtful (and often humorous) journalist, is the hallmark of liberals in this country. We are individuals who listen to the facts, think about them, and then form an opinion, which often takes the form of more than a ten-word answer.

The righteous right, on the other hand, don't seem interested in facts, let alone in thinking. Most public statements they make are practically devoid of facts, but rest on the "convenant" of Belief. As if to project the idea that they aren't individuals, but a monolithic majority, which they aren't, (and thank goodness that's changing!). Don't think, believe. Believe in us, discard all the rest, because we have done the thinking for you (presumably, but, in light of the Iraq war, clearly they haven't), and we have distributed the ten-word answers in talking points to all of our neo-con talking heads that intend to come anywhere near a microphone or word-processor. Ten-word answers are appealing and easy to digest, and ideology, not individual thought, depends on that.

No debate, no opposition, no America?

I miss the debate. Thanks for keeping the debate going, and helping to light a fire under the Democrats, Molly Ivins. Here's hoping the pendulum will swing the other way, toward individuality and free and open debate.

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» RE: Believe, Don't Think Posted by: padicake
» Have faith, not reason Posted by: LMNOP
"A Little Bully in a Big Playground"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 22, 2005 7:47 AM   
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"When did we come to the point where the minority has no place?" In 2000, when the Supremes handed the presidency to "The Little Dictator."

How pathetic: A draft-dodgin', desertin' dumbbell who never saw a day of combat can pound his little fists and stomp his feet, and – backed up by his Republican bullies, who do all his fightin' for him – browbeat the rest of the nation into approving his lunatic schemes.

Even more pathetic: We keep letting him get away with it.

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Impeachment - Not a Chance
Posted by: zap2scott on Jun 22, 2005 8:05 AM   
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Expediency trumps courage.

An impeachment will never see the crack of the light of day - unless.

The Republicans and the conservative members of the media will not disrupt this administration. Moderates don't have the passion to self-start anything political. The Democrats and liberal members of the media don't want to see Cheney as president and provide at least a 2 year build-up of name recognition and power base to a new VP.

Consequences for actions taken? Not unless someone with enough strength and support demands accountability.

Here's the unless
We -you and I - care enough to preserve, perhaps better stated, we re-build the integrity of the representative system of government with its appropriate checks and balances. We, the people, hold one truth to be self evident - it ain't going to happen unless we make it happen.

I've been a Republican, I've been a Democrat. I am always an American. I want to return to being a proud American.

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Good Golly Miss Molly!
Posted by: gopbarfbag on Jun 22, 2005 8:09 AM   
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I love her when she, well, heck, I just love her. Period.
Change is coming, sooner or later the elitist media will taste revenge and go for W's jugular. It'll probably happen after the 06 election, but at some point - Please GOD! - the media will have had enouhg bullying by the Bush Mafia and bully back.
Then again, the Pentagon might turn on a dime if the neo-nuts try to invade Iran. I can't believe that the Pentagon, who is really in charge anyway, will humor the neo's for another three years.

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» RE: Good Golly Miss Molly! Posted by: royrogers
So let's stop talking to each other and Start talking to THEM!
Posted by: Demosthenes on Jun 22, 2005 8:10 AM   
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Excellent article, though as others have said "one which will go unnoticed." ...but we don't have to let that happen. Despite the overwhelming situation in this country of the extreme right overlooking anything damning...we free-thinking, intelligent, responsible liberals still have a voice. And the only people who can silence it, are ourselves. So what do we need to do? Do we take this to our congresspeople? Do we write letters and call and demand that it be taken out of the 'closet' and into a real debate? Do we take it to the media, and demand a cogent explanation as to why this isn't being taken seriously? Let's decide what to do, what approach to take, and let's do it. Outcry from the American public still has a place in this country, and can have an effect. But we have to commit to it!

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Thank you Molly - and I suggest....
Posted by: MarionS on Jun 22, 2005 8:11 AM   
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Thank you Molly,
my thoughts exactly.
The WMD stuff was so obviously a bluff and pretence for the rest of the world from the start, and now it beggars belief that they can still get away with it.
Living oustide the US, it seems simply uncomprehensible that press & politicians seem to be in blank and bland denial after the DSMs. At least if you purport to be living in an open, democratic society. How can it be possible?
I think you're spot on to ask who else Dearlove talked to.
And I would like to suggest, as is always good advice when something seems incomprehensible: FOLLOW THE MONEY.
Who profits, or hoped/stll hopes to profit from the rapture of Irak?

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We'll never do anything about it.
Posted by: Bic Pentameter on Jun 22, 2005 8:29 AM   
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G.W. is a bald faced liar, Hussein did not attack us or possess any WMD (as many of us claimed before the invasion), but we won't hold him accountable.
As we approach the inevitable tightening of the world oil supply, the global economy would benefit if there happens to be a communicative and rational government in Iraq by that time.
His biggest blunders have occurred after the fall of Saddam, and unfortunately he may be one of the last to realize it. But he will claim credit for whatever positive results emerge from it. And he's determined that they will have freedom and democracy in Iraq even if we have to kill most of them to accomplish that goal.
Naturally, freedom and democracy (as applied to any smaller country with resources that we desire) are code words for a regime that will cooperate with our corporations and fall in step with our foreign policy.
But the entirety of our involvement in Iraq is just one prominently visible calamity that tends to distract us from the much worse realities currently facing us.
Meanwhile, too many of us seem to think that our current situation is the result of not living right these last 50 years or so. The solutions can be found by revving up the scriptures and glorifying the white-bread days of Ike and the Cleavers.
And it's tough work educating the willfully ignorant.

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Thank You Molly
Posted by: madhatter on Jun 22, 2005 8:49 AM   
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Dear Molly,
You're right on target as usual. Without the MSM treating this as a serious story it will go nowhere. Perhaps it's time for the people who care to go to DC. Masses of people demanding the press dig into this story to uncover the truth can't be ignored as easily as Rep. Conyers forum was. One question that truly bothers me is just how in the name of God did 8 or 9 wacky neocons manage to steal America?

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» RE: Thank You Molly Posted by: royrogers
» RE: Thank You Molly Posted by: zap2scott
» RE: Thank You Molly Posted by: BoatmanJack
Make EVERY street (and car) DOWNING STREET Campaign.
Posted by: skiingkow on Jun 22, 2005 9:23 AM   
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The reason they are dismissing it is because they were complicit in misleading the American public (and still are).


Make EVERY Street (and car) DOWNING ST. Campaign:

Read the discussion and post your pics here.

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If not this, what?
Posted by: 42Years on Jun 22, 2005 9:29 AM   
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If the Downing Street Memo(s) don't turn the trick than I doubt there is any hope for the Empire until at least after 2008. By then there won't be much left to salvage, anyway. About the best we can expect is to sit in the bleachers and watch the events take place in the three ring circus that passes itself off as the seat of American democracy.

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» RE: If not this, what? Posted by: Iamnotafruittree
» RE: If not this, what? Posted by: holojojo
One thing that always boggled me
Posted by: CTmoderate on Jun 22, 2005 9:35 AM   
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are the provisions in the No Child Left Behind act which require school districts to allow military recruiters on high school campuses and requires them to turn over personal information on students to recruiters.

Now NCLB was passed prior to 9/11 when the military had no problems recruiting.

How is it that the Bush administration knew, prior to 9/11, that giving military recruiters this kind of access to High school students was going to be needed???????

That these provisions were even stuck in a law that was supposed to be intended to raise educational standards was a surprise to many districts.

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It would be funny, but...
Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 22, 2005 9:42 AM   
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The repugnicans threw a four-year-long, hundred-million-dollar temper tantrum when Bill lied about his sex life. Then they turned around and "elected" a man who lies every time he opens his mouth.

He lied about his reasons for killing tens of thousands of people. It's plain as day to those who can think for themselves.

That's not 'an impeachable offense' - that's a war crime; an atrocity; a grevious crime against humanity; treason

And not a peep out of the Anne Coulter.

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Here's where I get off
Posted by: CDM on Jun 22, 2005 9:45 AM   
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First post here, but I need to get this off my chest.

This column does nothing more than serve as a caricature of what's wrong with the liberal, progressive movement. Doesn't anyone see the big picture here? Don't any of you Big Brain elites see that we NEED a Big Picture? For Pete's sake, Molly. This was 'news' to you? Your 'eyes bugged out' and your 'jaw fell open'???. You could not believe what you were reading??? And you read all those papers? Every day?

Molly if I were your employer, you'd be fired.

Here's what's happening from the POV of my Small Brain: We have...let's see...Paul O'Neil, Scott Ritter, Richard Clarke, the DSM, the FBI interrogation logs, the Abu pictures, flagrant abuses of civil rights, secret industry influence to our energy policy via our President's and VP's incestuous relationship with them.
And on,
And on,
And on,

And they have the Bible. And so far, they've been winning.

You don't have to be a shrink to understand the power of groupthink

No one on our side seems able to put it all together and market it to those who need it the most, mainstream America. We all just lick our chops everytime another morsel is tossed our way and then slink away when it falls thru the cracks. This is why I won't register as a Democrat (yet) because they just look like a bunch of children with pea-shooters unable to come together and form an alliance and clarify a mission.

C.

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» RE: Here's where I get off Posted by: MarionS
» RE: Here's where I get off Posted by: philame
» RE: Here's where I get off Posted by: Asses of Evil
Unpatriotic Not Too Impeach
Posted by: Dave Schneider on Jun 22, 2005 10:24 AM   
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Molly you say you are unsure about whether Downing Street Memos suggest the high crimes and misdemeanors which are the core of impeachable offenses.
Suggest you read pages 138, 140 et seq of "Worse Than Watergate" by former Nixon White House Counsel John Dean, also "The I Word" by Ralph Nader who finally got it right in that May 31st Boston Globe op-ed.
Sadly, it doesn't appear that the Republicans will clean up their own mess. Some party they are. Now it's little more than the familar stone-wall and cover-up. Sound familiar?
... Dave Schneider, non-practicing member Illinois Bar.

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Is MoveOn.org doing anything with this?
Posted by: philame on Jun 22, 2005 10:45 AM   
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Is MoveOn or any other national grassroots-based organization doing anything about this?

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» I answered my own question! Posted by: philame
Worse than anything Nixon contemplated -- really?
Posted by: Mutternich on Jun 22, 2005 10:48 AM   
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There are already more comments in this thread than I have time to read, so please excuse any duplication here, but --

Nixon ran for president in '68 claiming to have a secret plan to end the Vietnam war, which had already killed many, many more people than the Iraq war has to date. But he actually intended to hang in and win. That strikes me as much worse, considering how much destruction and loss of life got racked up in Nam by the time it finally ended. And some have claimed that Nixon also seriously considered using nukes.

Watergate per se may not have killed anyone, but let's not let our focus get too narrow where Nixon is concerned.

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We need to think deeply about US foreign policy
Posted by: barnett46 on Jun 22, 2005 10:53 AM   
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Dear Molly,

Re: US foreign policy under President George W. Bush / the significance of the invasion of Iraq.



The significance of the illegal invasion of Iraq is that US foreign policy has signaled contempt for the UN Charter ( see: Downing street memo – read below), coupled with a disdain for multilateralism. The US has diverted its post World War 11 foreign policy course ( however previously flawed and/or hypocritical in operation) from a republic’s professed commitment to internationalism, to an aspirant empire’s desire for global domination. In a world where “globalisatisation is the mantra – President George W. Bush’s foreign policy is not merely inherently contradictory, but it is assuredly harmful for the American people in its jingoistic stance vis-à-vis the world community, and consequently destructive vis-à-vis other nations. Ultimately, all of humankind is impacted by the policies of the world’s most powerful nation. Unprovoked military attacks ( as with the US invasion of Iraq) will lead to more instability regionally in the Middle East, and more bloodshed globally via terrorism, as anti-American resentments grow.



The reality just described is the actuality facing the world, as an identifiable consequence of the foreign policy course steered under President George W. Bush. The foreign policy of the United States of America is not an inevitability, for the American people in conjunction with the world community can assist to return American foreign policy to some semblance of sanity. Without sustained resistance, George W. Bush and his cabal will continue down the disastrous and destructive path they have so far advanced on.



Courtenay Barnett



THE WAR AND OCCUPATION IN IRAQ ARE ILLEGAL

Courtenay Francis Raymond Barnett*



The author is a lawyer who has defended human rights cases. His web site is www.globaljusticeonline.com

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Amen, Molly!!!
Posted by: mountainmama on Jun 22, 2005 11:25 AM   
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No shit! You said it all and extremely well. My thoughts exactly. Thank you, thank you. At least we have you, Molly.

I'm so frustrated and tired of trying shed light on these things to others, being "heard," and getting a response that reminds me of the statue of the 3 monkeys...hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

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Ty
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jun 22, 2005 11:30 AM   
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Once again, Frau Ivins gets it right. Our news media everywhere seem to march right along Dubya's charade in leading us into this horrible war and since these memos made news, most news companies seem to ignore it.
Well if these memos were an unsightly zit right on their noses, would they lance it or leave it alone? How can editors wake up in the morning realizing they're not reporting on it. Oh, it's "old news. No one cares."
I work in the media-at a newspaper and our organization hasn't devoted one damned word to it. Might as well catch it on Fox News. I am ashamed.

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» Unbowed Posted by: Unbowed
Are new tactics needed?
Posted by: ccbite on Jun 22, 2005 11:43 AM   
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As Noam Chomsky says: "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." Sadly, these reporters are merely parroting Scott McClelland's party line. The way the mainstream media has treated the Downing Street memo proves this. It's equally sad when the weight of uncritical coverage during the lead up to the war is now pinning them to status quo reporting. Thank you Molly for continuing to cover this. I too believe these are impeachable offenses. Here's an idea: How about doing some 'reverse' war campaigning? How about a column that interviews those Americans (or better yet, the Senators and Congress) who raise the war pom poms from the sidelines, but aren't willing to physically go over there? Just an idea.

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Cereus
Posted by: Cereus on Jun 22, 2005 11:43 AM   
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Hey, Molly,
A word of encouragement. I was there for the "summers of Nixon" and see the parallel of the growing movement to get answers as well as the growing resistance to giving them. What you are doing is working, so keep going after 'em honey, and keep it hot as Texas under those guys' feet.
It's been a while.
Theresa Alexander

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Impeachable Offense
Posted by: nakis on Jun 22, 2005 11:45 AM   
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Our nation leads the world in starving people for money. It leads the world in using its resources to topple governments. It leads the world in supporting the worlds worst dictators, murderers, fiends. It leads the world in lying to its own people. It leads the world in using trillions of dollars needed not just for the bettermeant of mankind but to insure the survival of mankind. Spending our childrens future.

Never mind this. There is no question as to impeachment when the commander in chief, the president presents false evidence and goes to war illegally against other nations. Causing the deaths of tens of thousands of human beings. Taking money from the poor and giving it to wealthy contractors engaged in immoral privatization of other nations resources. Spreading immoral capitalism to support their greed for more.
The question isn't whether these are impeachable offenses. The question is how those in office who should be conscious of this, who are aware of this, do nothing about it. How they can still call themselves human beings never mind Americans. And have the audacity and insanity to claim a direct line to our Creator to justify their actions.

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» RE: Impeachable Offense Posted by: rubymydear
Just a thought
Posted by: SilverCross on Jun 22, 2005 11:53 AM   
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Maybe we should look at the events surrounding the generation of this Downing Street Memo. Tony Blair was re-elected about the time that this memo made itself known. His re-election ticket was based on working on concerns at home and not abroad. Could this be the beginning of Great Britain's withdrawal of troops helping us in Iraq?

What do you think?

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» RE: Just a thought Posted by: montims
My new movement
Posted by: sbartram on Jun 22, 2005 12:15 PM   
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I want everyone to ask the President why his service aged daughters are not fighting in his noble cause in Iraq. It's almost over anyway, right?

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» RE: My new movement Posted by: royrogers
It Paid Big
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Jun 22, 2005 12:15 PM   
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The true function of war is to "Subordinate the mass of the population to exploitation at the hands of the Dominant class."

The true target of the current group of enemies of humanity in Washington are "We the people of the United States."

We are a Despotism, way before the recent administration. Our tax dollars are used to support religious institutions, the largest beneficiaries are the Christian churchs. The reason that we give them tax free status is because they provide a politically useful function, and that is they "Foster mindless behavior." That translates into, "It makes the slobs easier to jerk around."

The desert dwellers have embededded their cannibal cults into our political structure and use these structures to teach people to be stupid.

Surveys indicate that 51% of Americans agree with the war in Iraq. The mass media is designed to, "Never give them a clear thought."

No doubt about it, the criminal class laughs at us, yet they should not laugh to hard or to long, because history has proved that the, "Mopes always figure it out." This time when the criminal class goes, they will stay gone.

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Action to take?
Posted by: philame on Jun 22, 2005 12:38 PM   
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I have no idea if this will make any difference at all, but one thing to do is go to MoveOn.org's Action Forum and rate this issue as very important. Maybe, just maybe, something will happen... Here's the link: www.actionforum.com/ forum/index.html?forum_id=266

Delete the space between ".com/" and "forum" when you paste the address in your browser.

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Liberals cheering for American deaths? I dont think so.
Posted by: DavidTbone on Jun 22, 2005 1:31 PM   
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That takes some audacity, really. I remember the first few weeks of the war, every neo-con warmonger anxiously awaiting the arrival of WMDs. Well, duh... If they would have been right, the weapons would have been used against our soldiers. So, I guess we should all be happy they didnt have any WMDs? Right?

The proponents of this war could give a crap about the soldiers or their families.

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Eager young WP reporters
Posted by: bookwoman on Jun 22, 2005 1:40 PM   
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Dear Molly:

In answer to your question about eager young reporters at the WP, the answer is no. Instead they have Dana Milbank who thinks its all right to make fun of a meeting in the basement of the House in the face of the fact that the House leadership wouldn't allow any of their regular meeting rooms to be used. They also have Dana Milbank making fun of a woman whose son was killed in Iraq a year ago. I guess it is thought that she should be over it by now.

Perhaps the reason why the "establishment press" is holding back on the Downing Street Memos is that the Administration has won. By going after Dan Rather (no one ever proved that the facts in the memos were false, just that the memos were not the originals). The Commander's secretary, Mrs. Knox said she had typed memos which covered the same material as the false memos. Why didn't anyone ever follow up on that. Then there is the "Newsweek" retraction. Do you really believe that a book which is not considered significant by the person in control and which fell into the toilet would be retrieved. It would probably be flushed.

The establishment media has been embarassed often enough so that they are now sufficiently cowed to be afraid to report fully on an item like the Downing Street Memo(s).

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An Alter-Truth about British Politics
Posted by: holojojo on Jun 22, 2005 1:51 PM   
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I'd like to emphasise that I have no financial interest in this whatsoever; I'm not a shareholder, just a reader. If you want to know about the Dark Side of British politics, then let me recommend "Private Eye" magazine. It's humorous, satirical, clever and hugely disliked (and often sued) by the British Establishment. It's a non-Partisan magazine (in the sense that the Governement is always the Government whatever they call themselves) and has exposed the majority of British political and financial scandals since the sixties. It's also very, very funny; if you never read anything else from the UK, treat yourself to Private Eye once in a while.

holojojo

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Check out afterdowningstreet.org
Posted by: philame on Jun 22, 2005 1:52 PM   
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www.afterdowningstreet.org

Afterdowningstreet.org is a coalition of veterans' groups, peace groups, and political activist groups that announced a campaign to urge that the U.S. Congress to launch a formal investigation into whether President Bush has committed impeachable offenses in connection with the Iraq war.