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Setting Him Straight?

By Mubarak Dahir, AlterNet. Posted June 21, 2005.


Zach is a gay teen whose parents forced him to attend "religious camp" to "make him straight." But these camps are better at psychologically hurting teens than at changing their sexuality.
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For at least two weeks in June, Zach, a 16-year-old gay teen from Bartlett, Tennessee, was a hostage held against his will.

He wasn't kidnapped by a child molester or abducted by international terrorists, though what he has been through, in his own words, has been "torture." Indeed, Zach's captivity has been completely legal, if horrific. He's been interred by the authority of his parents. And his captors have been a group with the ironic name, "Love In Action."

"Love In Action" is one of the so-called "ex-gay" ministries. It runs what it calls a "youth program," named Refuge, which is essentially a "camp" to allegedly "de-gay" homosexual teens.

According to Zach's blog, his parents decided to send him to Refuge against his will after he came out to them as being gay. On May 29, Zach wrote on his blog that his parents sat him down and informed him he was going to a "fundamentalist Christian program for gays."

"They tell me there is something wrong with me, and they 'raised me wrong,'" Zach wrote. "I'm a big screw up to them, who isn't on the path God wants me to be on. So I am sitting here in tears."

According to other blog entries, Zach's parents took away his cell phone and car keys, apparently in an effort to keep what they perceived as bad "outside influences" away from him. His parents also isolated him from his friends - he wrote on June 3, his last blog entry, that he hadn't seen any of his friends for more than a week. He was housebound, he said. And he was only able to access the computer to write his blog, he wrote, after his parents were asleep. Zach's state of mind, even before he was forced to go to Refuge, was clearly fragile, as reflected in his sad and poignant blog entries. "My mother has said the worst things to me for three days straight," he wrote at 11:33 on June 3, the last time a blog entry was made. "I went numb. That's the only way I can get through this... I can't take this... no one can. This kind of thing tears you apart emotionally." And then Zach writes what many of us fear most, the worst possible results of this kind of pressure: "I'm not a suicidal person," he begins, and your heart sinks as he broaches the subject. "But I can't help it... all I can think about is killing my mother and myself. It's so horrible. This is what it's doing to me... I have this horrible feeling all of the time... I wish this on no person."

But studies have shown that gay teens are up to three times more likely than their heterosexual peers to attempt suicide, because of the anti-gay pressures they face from home, school and society. It's estimated that one-third of completed suicides are done by gay or lesbian teens.

Though he has not posted any blog entries since June 3, friends and supporters have written on his blog site, saying that after the initial two-week period at Refuge, Zach's parents have decided to keep him there an additional six weeks. Zach was able to post an exhaustive list of rules and regulations from Refuge that he had found e-mailed to his parents. The rules include a strict prohibition on "hugging or physical touch between clients. Brief handshakes or a brief affirmative hand on a shoulder is allowed." Males at the camp are not allowed to have facial hair of any kind, and must maintain "clean, business-like haircuts." Females are instructed to "shave legs and underarms at least twice weekly," and may not have hair that is "colored, highlighted or streaked." T-shirts without sleeves are forbidden for men, even as undergarments. So are thongs for women. The only jewelry a man may have is a wedding ring and a watch. Women are allowed that, plus a simple pair of earrings (one per ear.) Absolutely no one may wear Abercrombie and Fitch or Calvin Klein clothes or accessories. No cologne or perfume, either.


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Leave him alone!
Posted by: Iamnotafruittree on Jun 21, 2005 1:32 PM   
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Child abuse is child abuse. Children do not belong to us. They are people. They deserve love, respect, kindness, and understanding not brainwashing. What kind of world did we make that we would want to hate our own children? Christians must be completely insane to teach hate instead of love! I am sorry Zack. It will be over soon, and you need to believe in yourself. Do not let anyone tell you how you are suppose to feel and think. These camps of scary people can't feel anything at all what could they possibly teach you other than hate. Strange how hate is so popular. Everyone should try love it feels much better.

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Makes no sense...
Posted by: Cyndiana on Jun 21, 2005 2:41 PM   
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Ok, I've heard of these kinds of camps before. I also know how it feels to have your lifestyle treated like it is evil. My parents are both hardcore Christians, and venemously anti-gay. I am bisexual. I gave in and told my mother once, and she told me it was just a phase and I'd grow out of it, "with the Lord's intervention". What really boggles my mind is that our country is so dead-set against accepting homosexuality as a valid lifestyle, and refusing to let homosexuals marry, even wanting to violate our own Constitution to prevent it from being allowed. However, there is no outcry for an amendment to the Constitution that bans divorce for "irreconsilable differences". I mean, I could get married, and a week later get divorced, and so long as my spouse has a penis, there is no outcry.

If the so-called "moral majority" is so dead set for supporting what they consider "family values" why are they not tightening divorce restrictions for heterosexuals?

I mean, in the long run, what is going to hurt a child more? Being raised in a gay household, by two gay parents that love them and support them, or growing up in a broken home with a mother and father who can't even love each other enough to hold a marriage together?

And, now this. I think there needs to be action to stop this! These kids are being imprisoned like homosexuality is a crime! People need to ban together and shut these overglorified concentration camps down!

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» RE: Makes no sense... Posted by: beemadj
» RE: Makes no sense... Posted by: kmissile
» Burn it down Posted by: imperator
» RE: Makes no sense... Posted by: Samantha Vimes
emancipation
Posted by: dobbin on Jun 21, 2005 4:13 PM   
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This 16 year old young man needs to file for emancipation from his parents and then sue them for abuse, naming "The Refuge" as well in the lawsuit.

This is the new millenium already, not medieval times.

One way or another these sick & twisted intellectual neanderthals need to be dragged into the 21st century where science trumps superstition, either that, or America is gonna need a whole lot more lions.

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» RE: emancipation Posted by: xfgry
» RE: emancipation Posted by: kmissile
This Is Why Gay Rights Should Be A Major Concern Of The Left
Posted by: thirdmg on Jun 21, 2005 5:07 PM   
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Whenever articles about gay rights issues have been posted on AlterNet, I've noticed that, sooner or later, a small amount of reader commentary will be posted which asks why anyone should make so much of these issues when there are so many "important" issues to deal with.

Although it might be expected that such disparaging comments come from the right, they actually come from readers on the left who apparently have developed no sense of care about gay rights, or may even actually resent them. I hope that this kind of article will cause them and others like them to re-consider and to understand the destructive effects of homophobia on real people, especially on gay kids who have little or no defense against the intense and irrational attacks directed against them, even within their own families.

Civil rights are not just for others; they're needed for gays, too - more than ever.

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I am going to be a little cold.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 21, 2005 5:41 PM   
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Sounds no worse than the military schools my parents sent me to. Maybe no where near as bad. I did not want to go, but I did. It did not damage me.

I think this kid (he is not a man as dobbin stated) has a weak mind. He will get over this if he has any fortitude whatsoever. We all face adversity and if he can not get past this then I've got little sympathy for him. I do not think this is a good idea but parents should be able to try to discipline their children. Any parent that does not try to limit a minor's sexual activity whether it be homo or hetero is irresponsible at best.

If his parents pay for his car and cell phone, why should they not be able to take them away from him? I never needed a cell phone nor did I need a car as a minor. No jewelry, designer clothes, or perfume, that's real punishment huh? What's wrong with that? The rampant materialism in this society is not worthy of defending.

Last but not least, only a fool would think this program would work. His parents are shooting themselves in the foot. In the future he will value their opinion less if at all.

I like what Cyndiana has to say about divorce. These right wing assholes rail against homosexuality as a sin but so is lying, stealing, cheating, infidelity but they have little problems with those things. I guess they hit too close to home. One thing I can not understand is why gays are so interested in being considered married when it has such a high record of failure. If I were gay I might want a civil union and I definetlywould want my civil rights and to hell with the word marriage.

I like the post someone has posted before about the nazis coming to get people. Gay people deserve their civil rights as much as anybody. I do not like seeing them persecuted because I know eventually they will come for me too for some other reason.

Flame on if you wish.

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» RE: I am going to be a little cold. Posted by: Samantha Vimes
Programs like this are the real abomination.
Posted by: nickptar on Jun 21, 2005 9:14 PM   
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Kind of reminds me of these guys.

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Love gone rotten
Posted by: Nigelthebrit on Jun 22, 2005 3:30 AM   
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Reading reports like this confirms my decision to turn my back on this aspect of Christianity nine years ago - and not in the USA, but in Britain!

If things continue as they go, it won't be long before the USA becomes, in effect, one Fundamentalist "Boot Camp". Fortunately, human nature being what it is (rather than what Pat Robertson etc. would like it to be), this sort of thing contains the seeds of its own destruction.

Put it down to Schadenfreude if you like, but I can hardly wait for the day when, for example, some highly paid secretary to some religious right US politician or televangelist is photographed on a Progressive Website taking a discreet Weekend in London, "doing" the usual tourist sights...the changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace...the Tower of London...Westminster Abbey...

Oh yes, and a family planning clinic in Harley Street!!

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Heterosexual Boot Camp
Posted by: blacksheep on Jun 22, 2005 5:05 AM   
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Growing up gay in America is itself a form of boot camp. You don't need your parents to send you away, you get enough "torture" for your orientation just by attending any American High School (Harvey Milk High excepted). The real miracle is that, given such militant conditioning in our daily lives, any of us ever come out of the closet, or live past the age of 18 without slitting our wrists. That in itself proves that it is nature and not nurture that determines your sexual orientation. If social conditioning had any effect, we would all certainly be as straight as arrows!

And, incidentally, once we get hip to the queer subtext that lurks beneath the surface of America's macho homophobic culture, we realise that the reason American men adore football so much is because it is the only 'safe' outlet for their homosexual or narcissistic love of one another.

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Hang in there, Zach
Posted by: Erin on Jun 22, 2005 6:34 AM   
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Please don't give up, Zach. Be strong and don't let the assholes win. If God didn't made homosexuals, there wouldn't be any. I can only tell you how sorry I am for what you are having to endure for just being your beautiful, wonderful self. Get yourself through this, somehow, and then as soon as possible get out into the world and you will find a whole "family" out here who will love and protect you, and help you find your happiness. God does love you just the way you are - He/She doesn't make junk.

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» Get over it Posted by: Erin
» RE: Hang in there, Zach Posted by: DragoniaKMP
This is of great concern.
Posted by: damianjb1 on Jun 22, 2005 7:57 AM   
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I'm now 33yo and I remember growing up in a small town in Australia with parents who I never heard say a word against gay people. This is because they guessed at quite an early age that I may turn out to be gay and didn't want me to have difficulties coming to terms with this. Despite this wonderful support from my parents I still regularly thought about killing myself while a high-school student (due to the abuse I suffered at the hands of fellow school students) so I can only imagine how horrible it must be for this boy to feel the whole world is against him. I hope his friends can somehow get someone in to help him as I fear very deeply that he will commit suicide if this situation continues.

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Responsibility
Posted by: freespirit865 on Jun 22, 2005 8:49 AM   
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Zach, and each and every one of us is being held hostage in this system. Our system is making a mockery of God, our nation, all people, and the world. God does not make mistakes we as people do; God does not force a separation amongst the people only unites people in LOVE so these so called people whom name themselves LOVE in ACTION must understand and open there eyes because if we reflect a moment we are all living in a LIE and it goes from generation to generation and who gets hurt each and every one of us. Then society makes it hard for parents to be able to see the turth because they are more concerned with judging one another. Throughout history we can relate to all discrimination and the colors of GOD are the colors of the rainbow. It is like after the holocause we come out with the International Declaration of Human Rights and how many people are suffering here and around the world. What we have in this system is false hope and the law is only as good as the administration that stands behind it. It is we the people who are going to have to stand up in Peace, Love, and in Good Faith for ourselves and one another to know that we have value and worth as people in life that is priceless. Have a great day and thanks...Zach keep strong because GOD does not make the mistakes and the LOVE of GOD is true, real, unconditional, and everlasting for everyone and there is nothing wrong with you and yes you are truly LOVED peace be with you.

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Zach hang on
Posted by: Katy on Jun 22, 2005 9:22 AM   
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I have been privileged to grow up in Canada where the support for gay people is tremendous and welcomed. Although we have not yet allowed gay people to marry, we are well on our way to doing so. Zach please know that there is a much bigger world out there where people such as myself, love and cherish everyone for who they are and not for who they should be. Hang on and know that we are supporting you through this. And remember that there are people who love you whether you know it or not. God has blessed you and made you a truly unique person, never change that and fight for who you want to be. God never meant for people to be discriminated against and remember that MAN wrote the Bible, not God. As a Catholic I refuse to read the Bible because it is someone else's OPINION on what God likes or dislikes. Please do not turn against Catholicism or Christianity in general. People do many things in the name of our religion and end up disgracing it instead. Take a look at the Crusades for example. We screwed up big time, and we now know that. Eventually we will recognize the wrongness of these actions too.

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Related Issue
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Jun 22, 2005 9:24 AM   
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This story ties to the question of unregulated private 'correctional' schools for teens.

The observation that this teen's treatment could have been worse isn't untrue. Parents ... presumably for compelling reasons ... often turn to private schools to 'fix' whatever they think is wrong with their offspring. The legal limits of behavior modification technques used on children is really quite shocking.
Oddly it is the Faith Based Enterprises that run the worst 'boot camps' of the lot and the Red states most likely to give them a free hand to batter, starve and coerce while exempting them from both zoning and school licensing requirements.

A watchdog group keeping tract of this issue can be found at
www.nospank.org.

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Soulforce
Posted by: zappa on Jun 22, 2005 9:25 AM   
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Please check out 'SOULFORCE'...an organization started by Rev. Mel White...a gay man who came out late in life, and who used to be Jerry Falwell's speechwriter. This organization is a force that confronts the bigotry and hatred of the religious right. He has also written a powerful piece on what the Bible 'Really' has to say about homosexuality, and what Jesus said about homosexuality...(nothing).
For anyone struggling with these issues, but especially those of us who come from Fundamentalist backgrounds, this site and this organization is invaluable.

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Ambs
Posted by: Ambs on Jun 22, 2005 9:32 AM   
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Zach, when you get out of there, do yourself a favor and rent the movie But I'm a Cheerleader!. It's a satirical look at one of those camps. I recommend it for other GLBT people or supporters.

What your parents and these "Christians" running the camps are doing to you is inhumane. Please take solace in the fact that you have a virtual community rooting for you. Perhaps after some time, you will be the catalyst for teaching your parents how to be more tolerant, respectful people. I do believe God loves you ... after all, in the same chapter in Leviticus where it says homosexuals are abominations, it also says it's an abomination to wear clothes of blended fibers (e.g. cotton/polyester) and to eat shellfish, so if we take these things literally (always a mistake with an over-translated text), then we can see that we are all going to hell. Take man's interpretation of God's word with a shaker of salt.

Stay strong. Don't give in.

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Fuel to the fire
Posted by: ontonio on Jun 22, 2005 9:50 AM   
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Telling people what will be misconstrued as how to raise their kids will only add fuel to the irrational right wing conspiracy of "see how the homosexual agenda is spreading. They are now telling us what is right for the children!" Last I checked parents have the right to send their kids to any type of camp they want as long as no laws are being violated - unless you can show what goes on inside this place with hidden cameras most people aren't going to buy it. Seeing is believing.

These individuals are not going to listen if they will not listen to the American Psychological Association, but they may take notice if an investigation into Love in Action reveals that it is fraudulent, does more harm than good, and is just out to get their money.

I do agree though with the one post that extreme conservatism plants the seeds for its own downfall, it only takes time.

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kmissile
Posted by: kmissile on Jun 22, 2005 1:44 PM   
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Firstly, I am gay, my son was gay, and he committed suicide. He was not allowed to be around me when he was growing up, so that gives a pretty strong indication toward biological influence. Secondly, Zach is not going to commit suicide: He is going to make it through this, and when he gets out, he's going to educate people on the perils of gay youth. Zach, I want you to be proud of who you are, I want you to find someone to love (please shy away from drink, drugs, and promiscuity) and I want you to help others facing situations such as yours. I love you and its going to be alright.

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Is he out yet?
Posted by: wonka on Jun 22, 2005 1:46 PM   
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I spent a lot of time yesterday trying to find out if Zach was able to get out of this camp on time. I saw one note that he's there for another 6 weeks... Please, alternet, keep us posted on this story.

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I am DISGUSTED.
Posted by: augen_x_auf on Jun 22, 2005 2:33 PM   
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This is absolutely disgusting to me. Whoever sent him there does not deserve to be a parent. How could someone who destroys their own children refer to themselves as a servant of God!?

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MAY GOD FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY DO KNOW WHAT THEY DO.
Posted by: SanFranDuke on Jun 22, 2005 2:43 PM   
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I have written this organization and told them essentially what my title says. I am a Christian who happens to be gay. Those people are violating the very priciples of Christ's teachings.

God will punish them, I have no doubt. In the meantime, please do anything you can to help get this young man out of their clutches.

For that matter, it might be a good idea for him to divorce his parents, which is possible in California.

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redgreenbrown
Posted by: redgreenbrown on Jun 22, 2005 3:07 PM   
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as an African it is shocking what is going on in America; the people who try to brainwash young men show a deep sickness. No less than Bishop Desmond Tutu, one of our men of peace and of the Church, said today that it was important that the International Gay Games came to Johannesburg because we could share with the world the importance of tolerance and acceptance of one another, no matter what our apparent differences.
America used to lead, now it is lead, sinking to the bottom of a swamp of self consuming hate, fear and greed.
Stand up good Americans and take back your country from these sick people who have illegaly siezed your government and apparently the moral core of the nation.
The rest of the world does not hate you, we love you, its Cheney and his minions we cannot like. Come back and join the rest of the world again.

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Emancipation requires adult assistance
Posted by: Sourjourner1 on Jun 22, 2005 4:40 PM   
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I agree that Zach needs to be legally emancipated from his parents. But even when teenagers are emotionally ready to take that step, it is not reasonable to expect them to accomplish this without qualified adult help. Where are the public authorities? Why aren't these programs investigated and shut down as perpetrators of child abuse? Legitimate science tells us that homosexuality is not a personal choice. We should be helping gay and lesbian teens, like all teens, to develop into mature, responsible, productive and happy adults, and keep the government out of our private bedrooms.

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If you've been forced into one of these programs do tell
Posted by: spacecadet on Jun 23, 2005 8:04 AM   
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There's a message board for people abused by "behavior
modification" programs here:
the teen help industry

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More Hope For Countering The Religious Right
Posted by: thirdmg on Jun 23, 2005 8:52 AM   
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Here's a new organization which is confrontng the religious right on its own terms and which is solidly supportive of gay rights:

Christian Alliance for Progress - A national progressive movement to reclaim Christianity and transform American politics.

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Inspired to act...
Posted by: radven on Jun 23, 2005 1:43 PM   
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This article in part has inspired me to march in this weekends SF Pride parade. I've written my reasons, and am sharing them
here.

Thank you for this article.

- chris

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» RE: Inspired to act... Posted by: Erin
You can only be who you are
Posted by: perkygoth on Jun 23, 2005 2:29 PM   
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This story really unnerved me. The guy musters up the courage to tell his conservative parents that he's gay and gets this kind of inhumane punishment?! How sad. He'll have absolutely no incentive to be honest with or trust them ever again. Well, that's their loss and they'll regret it someday. In the meantime, hang in there, Zach. Forget those people at the camp; there is a whole community out there (cyber and real) to support you and accept you for who you are, unconditionally. You are exactly who you are supposed to be and don't let anyone make you feel like that is not good enough. Those are their issues, not yours. The irony about this Refuge camp is that they think they're actually helping people by forcing them to be someone they're not--this not only hurts that individual but also anyone with whom they may form a relationship with based on those false pretenses. They are actually telling these people to lie to others, but the nuns at Catholic school always told me that lying is a sin. I sense a little hypocrisy here...

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Where is this child abuse cult?
Posted by: yesman on Jun 23, 2005 6:27 PM   
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Where is this child abuse cult located, and why are there not throngs of demonstrators outside of it drawing attention to its methods of torture?

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Boot camp for children
Posted by: GALLAN on Jun 23, 2005 7:50 PM   
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The young man who is being "treated" for his "illness" will hopefully survive this type of torture. How a parent can subject their child to such activities I will never understand. I do agree that taking away the boys car keys, cell phone etc. is the right of the parent if the parent is footing the bills. Driving is not a right, neither is a cell phone. I find it interesting in what the camp leaders think of as gay. Materialism and name brands! Certain body language, hair styles etc. When will they learn gays come in all walks of life, all types of body mannerisms?
What we have is prosecution of one group over another. This is a method of fear and control of people through the use of fear. Homophobia. The religious right uses it everyday. If it were not gays, it would be some other sin. The answer is in education. When people understand other people's lives and lifestyles and cultures, fear is removed. Fear can no longer be used as a motivational force. Now wouldn't that set some religious leaders and politicians on their butts?

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Love in Action --Straight Guy or Nazi Clone Camp
Posted by: neilemac on Jun 23, 2005 7:58 PM   
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I was infuriated by the evident cries for help mentioned in Zach's blog but I'm astounded by the ignorance exposed within the scheduled rules he witnessed in correspondence sent by "Love In Action" to his parents. Any one with a conscience must see through these hysterical measures the religious anti-gay "straight camp" has gone to have campers deny their sexuality. But this takes the cake. Any informed adult must be flabergasted by this rule forced on the kids:
Rule: No secular music. Bach and Beethoven are expressly mentioned as not being religious music.

"Love in Action" is not only an oximoron, but lies big time in it's camp rules. Here's proof. Cloning humans is illegal so please "Love in Action," learn to accept all your children; stop trying to clone nazis out of your gay teens! Life is
prison enough for a gay kid midst the bigotry and profound insensitivity of the so called "norm" within the conditioned populace. My own experience is all the proof I need.

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We thought we had it bad
Posted by: liambelfast on Jun 24, 2005 2:56 AM   
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I am a youth worker with lgbt young people in N Ireland. I am Christian, and gay.

My heart goes out to Zach. I can only begin to imagine what he must be going through. Does anyone know his blog, and how I can find it to leave a message of support for him?

We have institutionalised homphobia in Ireland and UK (no surprise that it is societal, and mainly spearheaded by religious organisations/ -schools etc) but not to this extent. It reminds me of the scenes in Latter Days .

Zach needs to be taken away from these so-called human beings.

But hasn't America sort of created its own Frankenstein? The majority of Americans are decent hardworking, loving people I'm sure, but those rotten few who use their own principles to dictate to the masses.. who is responsible for electing these people? Who gives the Ministers of Hate, for want of a better phrase, the power to do what they please... how come the Social Services haven't been notified of these camps, and the parents who send their kids there... then again, how many Americans would support Boot Camps for wayward kids who get into trouble stealing, drinking, drugging etc...

Shows like Ricki, and Sally Jessy Raphael (two shows I happen to love) make examples of these kids, they make it pretty clear they need to change.

Two radically different situations I agree..lgbt and thief/drug addict... but, the boot camps are of the same vein... Ricki, Sally J & Oprah wouldn't support the type of camp Zach has been imprisoned in I am sure.. contact them to highlight them...

Start a petition to the Supreme Courts or House of Congress... have these camps illegalised... aren't they treating these poor kids for mental disorders using therapies no longer recognised by the APA etc... isn't this enough grounds to force closure?!

I am sure there are many more factors at work in the USA.. a country I always admired and wanted to emigrate to... not any more.

Please forgive me.. I am by no means attacking every American, I realise there is little the individual can do in America against the power of an individual state, let alone the Fed Govt... I'm prepared to add my name to any petition, and I am sure enough support can be rallied around NI.

Thankyou for your time

Liam Larmour
Co-Ordinator
Gay & Lesbian Youth Northern Ireland.

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These camps are child abuse...
Posted by: ericn613 on Jun 24, 2005 7:27 AM   
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...and the parents should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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The organization
Posted by: smaccalaska on Jun 24, 2005 11:00 AM   
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Looks like they run all sorts of other programs besides The Refuge, and have a brand-spankin-new campus: Scary Brainwashing Facility

Protest away. ;-)

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A Good Reason for Being an Atheist!
Posted by: Briar on Jun 25, 2005 6:05 PM   
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The very existence of Xtian Bootcamps like this, and what they do to young people like him, and that they indoctrinate stupid parents to think this sort of treatment is right, are good reasons for sensible, sensitive, humane people to reject utterly this corrupting mental parasite disease called christianity. Christianity? I call it Insanity!

How dare they do this? This is as bad as that boot camp for mad moslems down in Cuba that the US Military-Christian Fundy Alliance have, against all Human Rights Laws and decency. A shame and a disgrace that besmerches the formerly good name of the USA. If this young man can contact me I am prepared to offer him refuge outside the USA, where he will be free of xtian indoctrination and anti-gay attitudes, in a European land with a long tradition of giving refuge to people discriminated against, for a variety of reasons.

These so-called parents are evil people who do not deserve children. They ought to suffer the same kind of boot camp, and have to endure the same regime of psychoterror. I felt SICK when I read this. Ugh!

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God has nothing to do with Zach's prison camp!
Posted by: M-y-s-t-e-r-y on Jul 1, 2005 10:17 AM   
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Having been a Christian (and I mean a REAL Christian) for twenty-plus years, I can, without hesitation, say that God has nothing to do with this "Refuge" camp that Zach was forced to go to. I find it incredibly horrific that his parents would be so narrow-mindly stupid to place their focus onto WHAT Zach is rather than WHO Zach is. I also find it equally dissapointing that there are so many gay people who are just as (if not more) intolerant of those REAL Christians who accept gays and love them for who they are.

It's too bad that we only see the articles that bring the "God Hates Fags" signs to the forefront and the "Christians are intolorant bigots" proclimations to the headlines.

I'm not only a Christian, but I have also been gay all of my life and have been in a relationship for two years now. My boyfriend is very left wing and thinks that all Christians are like Zach's parents, with the exception of me. I find that there are too many gays who hate Christians and there are too many Christians who hate gays.

If the church would stop assuming that there is some conspiring "gay agenda", and if the gay community would stop assuming that there is some kind of Christian based genocide, then we might just see each other for who we REALLY are.

I am the Christian that gay people hate; I am the gay that Christian people hate. Will we ever learn to get along?

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a mom
Posted by: Barbara Eickhoff on Jul 1, 2005 4:26 PM   
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I'd like to paste in here what a wise and much loved gay friend of mine wrote me:

"The last time my rights mattered, I was a fetus. (But they should keep in mind that fetuses don't vote, yet.)

"Love the embryo, hate the child.

"Yes, I think there are some special powers to picking your words. I started to write "the right words" but decided I wanted to avoid the word "Right". Anyway, for instance, I think we should be calling all the Iraqi children killings "retro-active abortions", and then it would sound less fun to the hypocritical religious zealots in this country."

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This is sick!
Posted by: dark_angel26 on Jul 30, 2005 9:42 PM   
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I went to the website and they said a lot of religious bullshit! I tried to send them this comment:

You people are sick and you need help you can't convert homosexuals or bisexuals this way. You seriously need to be stoped! Someone needs to put you sick freaks into a camp because just because someone is different from you doesnt mean they are wrong.YOU are the ones in the wrong. I hope you all burn in hell for this because you shouldnt be the ones to judge other people. If you had EVER read the bible you would know it says judge not for ye shall be judged. I think you all need your heads examined and you need to let all those poor children go. Being Gay may be a sin IN YOUR EYES but that doesnt justify how you treat people that are gay. Learn some tolerance you sick morons!

BUT I got an error page that has to be fake because it doesnt even look real...isnt that convienant for them! They seriously have to be stoped!

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And History repeats itself.
Posted by: Newms3450 on Dec 8, 2005 10:12 PM   
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This is to the lupine (dare I insult such noble creatures as wolves by comparing them to this filth?) people who ally themselves with such actions as happened to Zach. I pray (though admittedly I am not at all religious - I have lost faith in faith) that they may read this, lest they burn in hell for the hate that blackens their hearts.
In the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the 20th Century, their was a major problem in a smallish country in Europe. A people were afraid because they did not understand, and they felt more vulnerable than they really were. One man - who will go down in history as perhaps the most evil man in the 20th Century - took advantage of this, using that people's fear to push forward his own desire to murder the Jewish population of Europe, killing them outright or placing them in "concentration" camps. Interesting how history tends to repeat itself, no? I see a fearful populace (the Right), a prosecuted people, and, hey, even concentration camps! How funny!
This is disturbing, isn't it? Good. It's not supposed to be funny, you sadistic mesolithic leeches. What you're doing is absolutely no different than what Adolf Hitler did with the German People to the Jews, Gypsies, Bolsheviks, and others during and before the Second World War, and I do not hesitate to say so. You ARE committing crimes against humanity, and should likewise be tried and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of bail. I don't think execution is right. I think that's too good for you. I think that the families of the victims (or at least the victims themselves, barring that you haven't damaged said victims to the point where they can no longer watch TV) should have the pleasure of watching you waste away here on earth as you made them do, with the satisfaction of knowing that the Gates of Heaven will be slammed resolutely in your face when you approach them, and you will earn your just firey reward.

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One more thing
Posted by: Newms3450 on Dec 8, 2005 10:23 PM   
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Hopefully I can't edit comments I've previously made, and I'm not being a toolbag by double-posting...
I just wanted to say that, though I douby you'll read this, we are there for you, Zach. Hang in there, and don't do anything too rash. The day will come when the perpetrators of such evils will have their rewards

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Tim
Posted by: jpsweelinck on Nov 5, 2006 5:52 AM   
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"Bach and Beethoven are expressly mentioned as not being religious music, and thus forbidden. "

Bach, writer of over 200 sacred cantatas, the great St. Matthew's & St. John's Passions, the B minor Mass, the sacred motets... not to mention all the hymn-based organ music...

Then there's Beethoven's Missa Solemnis...

This is just one example of the gross ignorance displayed by these people.

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