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The Meaningless Apology on Lynching
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There are nearly a million African-Americans in prison - one out of eight inmates on the planet - a gulag of monstrous proportions, clearly designed to perpetuate the social relations that began with slavery. We demand an end to those relations, not an insincere, risk-free "apology" that sets not one prisoner free.
It is appropriate that the great anti-lynching leader, Ida B. Wells (1862-1931), who documented the murder of nearly 5,000 blacks at the hands of white mobs in the terror-filled years that followed the death of Reconstruction, be verbally honored by Louisiana Democratic Senator Mary Landrieu and Virginia Republican Senator George Allen. Yet both senators supported laws that will impose draconian equivalents of post-Civil War "black codes" on inner city youth, who will now be designated as criminal conspirators if they congregate in groups of three or more.
No thank you, Senators Landrieu and Allen - the crime you committed against us in May vastly outweighs your weak apology in June. You have guaranteed that hundreds of thousands more young black people will be interned in your gulag - a crime against humanity. And both of you are determined to commit more crimes. Should we ask for an apology in advance?
There can be no absolution for those who continue to profit from past crimes, and plot new ones. Lynch law was the effective law of the South - and, truth be told, the rest of the United States - and the "lawful" authorities sanctioned it by refusing to pass 200 anti-lynching bills. The terror of lynching created the social relationships that resulted in white households accumulating ten to twenty times as much wealth as black households - our collective national inheritance. An apology will not do.
Is that what our movement has been about all of these generations - to get an apology from people who became rich on our backs? There is a method to this racist madness, an assumption that African-Americans can be bought by a simple nod from a few white people. Some of these racists will not even give us a nod - the twelve or sixteen senators who did not join in the anti-lynching vote, all but one of them Republicans. The Republican Senate Leader made sure that no member would have to go on record against lynching. However, are we supposed to be grateful for a non-binding resolution that admits thousands of murders were committed with the complicity of the United States government, but that does not redress the wrongs in any way.
Where is the sense of justice in this apology? What do the descendants of the terrorized class expect? That wrongs be righted, or that those who have profited gain absolution?
Lynching was genocide
The United States Senate did not ratify the Convention on Genocide until 1988, 40 years after African-Americans circulated the petition, "We Charge Genocide," in an effort to make international law applicable to the U.S. By this time, most of the former Dixiecrats had become Republicans, and felt safe in blaming their former party for their own crimes.
The United States, controlled by a Republican majority and feckless minority of white Democrats whose greatest fear is their black constituents, is now engaged in a grand venture to export the ideology of white terror, planet-wide. They have not learned a thing. Having never practiced democracy on their own shores, they claim a copyright to the concept. The fact that nobody believes their claims does not phase them, because they are marching to the tune of Manifest Destiny - the white man's right to rule. It is that belief that drew tens of thousands of whites to the lynching fields of Georgia and Indiana, for the sport of Negro-killing. Now they are in Iraq and Afghanistan, claiming moral authority.
The march of civilization goes on, leaving the United States behind. The bubble of news communication fools only those inside. The rest of the globe sees its own interests, and recognizes white arrogance, intuitively.
This intuitive knowledge, born of gruesome experience, also informs black Americans. Although surrounded by the same bubble of misinformation as the rest of Americans, blacks smell the lie. The vast bulk of us see the "apology" for what it is - a scam, with no substantial benefits, and less good faith. But there is a class that is paid to say "Yes sir," on command. Most of us pay them no attention.
Lynch law was no law at all. It was pure white power - the right to declare oneself a higher form of being, and reduce the "other" to charcoal. The current rulers of the United States are spreading lynch law to the far reaches of the planet. They claim the right to "pre-emptive" warfare, and reject all other people's rights to live under collectively accepted rules. They wage war against the concept of international law, just as they violated every law that did not enshrine white privilege.
Nothing has changed, except the world. We will not tolerate such criminality, anymore. In fact, we have collectively called the behavior that white folks in the United States routinely engaged in, criminal. It's far too late for the U.S. Senate to pass a non-binding resolution announcing some vague objection to lynching, when they pass legislation that makes it a crime to be black and a youth, vote billions to fund a military machine that seeks to enslave the planet, and rejects the authority of the World Criminal Court. In doing so, they have made themselves outlaws.
We will not forgive, or accept an apology that does not come with a change in power relationships. And we will reject any so-called black leadership that makes its own deal.
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Posted by: Beverly on Jun 17, 2005 4:14 AM
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I agree that a simple apology for "lynchings" does no cut the butter. But what other solution would be considered "acceptable"? Everyone in a Nation cannot be held accountable for the wrongful acts committed by a few individuals.
As a Nation, we should be ashamed of the continued "racism" within our borders. Our government portrays us as a Nation undivided, yet they fail too acknowledge the real truths of racism that stands out like a sore thumb and is seperating our citizens.
There are many goal orientated, intelligent, dedicated individuals in the black communities who are and should be "role models" for everyone. Damon Dash, Oprah Winfrey, Dr. Martin Luther King, etc., should be the inspiration for all people of color. Follow their examples, these people are true leaders that every black person should follow.
Way too many individuals have become intrigued by the "gang lifestyle", selling drugs, committing crimes which gets them nowhere except a jail sentence. It's time for everyone to become responseable for their own actions and quit blaming others for their downfall!
We lead by example! Become a positive role model and head our lost youth into the light and and towards positive direction, let them become the leaders of the future.
Beverly Bittner
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Posted by: windy on Jun 17, 2005 5:35 AM
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There are so many rules and policies "quietly" being implemented into law and into the workplace rendering us more and more powerless and oppressed. It's very hard to voice dissent when you're in the minority opposing powerful institutions.
Our society today supports pre-emptive wars (with all the deaths and injuries and havoc and dishonesty), calling it setting up democracies and getting rid of terrorists. And supports a smirking, arrogant, fake man as our President. And we have "Christian" people (and their so-called morals) in power? And we (whites) once supported lynchings, we came out and cheered. What a history.
DemocracyNow had a segment, June 14th on this anti-lynching legislation as well, and included a segment on Billie Holiday (documentary) singing "Strange Fruit:"
"Southern trees bear strange fruit/ blood on the leaves and blood at the root/ black bodies swinging in the southern breeze/ strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees."
If more of us could join together, maybe we could make a difference.
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Posted by: howardadoughty on Jun 17, 2005 5:47 AM
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Was it a matter of giving alternate authorities the opportunity to make arrests and to prosecute the offenders in a manner similar to the passage of the law making it a federal crime to conspire to deprive people of their civil rights? I understand tnat this was marginally effective in instances where local or state authorities refused to pursue the killers of civil rights worker in the American south in the 1960s. Were proposed anti-lynching laws similar, or was there another rationale?
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Posted by: Longhorn on Jun 17, 2005 7:26 AM
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This is also, as I understand it, at least part of the more recent rationale for federal hate-crime legislation (that would cover criminal acts against other minorities who are at risk from majority tyranny, such as gays and lesbians).
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jun 17, 2005 8:23 AM
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I was so gratified to see this missive. After hearing a soft spoken group apology, I too was overwhelmed with emotion. Can a group apology, one that was barely audible and long delayed, dismiss what still is. Lynchings, per se may now be illegal, belatedly; however, the actions and attitudes are still alive, though in an altered form.
I also wrote on this topic, citing the imprisonment of Black Americans. They are not only eliminated from society through incarceration; their assigned station lessens their possible success.
Please read my treatise and share your thoughts.
AN INCOMPLETE APOLOGY, LYNCHING IS NO LONGER LEGAL ©
Betsy L. Angert Be-Think
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 17, 2005 9:00 AM
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But isn't that what Congress is so good at these days– strutting and pontificating, while picking our pockets and picking apart The Constitution?
Maybe I read it wrong, but I don't racall anything in the First Amendment that made it selective, or optional.
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Posted by: billyboy43 on Jun 17, 2005 9:24 AM
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The political junta that is ruling our country now is comprised of the extremely wealthy 'anglos' (mostly), bigoted middle and low class anglos, and the anglo, conservative, fundamental, religious people ( I hesitate to use the word Christian, as they do not exemplify the attitude of Christ - LOVE Your Neighbor as yourself - the word Christian originally meant 'little christ'). They are marching in time to conquer the world for 'their kind'. It has been reported that when the bombs were dropping in Iraq, killing up to 100,000 men, women and children in the war for control of the dwindling supplies of oil, Rove was walking around the White House singing 'Onward Christion Soldiers'.
I was raised in Mississippi on a southern plantation in Sunflower county (near Leflore county where Emmit Till was killed) in the 1950's and 1960's. I was the white son of the plantation owner. There were four of us boys about the same age, two white and two black. We played, fished, camped-out, rode the horse and mule, swam in the bayou and irrigation well pool - everything country folks done in that time and place - together.
On the first day of kindergarten I wondered where my two black friends were (the white boy was older and in elementary school). When Iasked my mother after class where they were, she said, 'You know Jimmy Lee and Oatsie Lee don't go to kindergarten.'
My first day of the first grade a year later, I found what segration was, and just didn't understand- two schools, one you could see up on the highway, and one hidden somewhere on the back streets - white and colored drinking fountains - one colored restroom at places that served the blacks out the back door - white only signs. When I befriended a white boy in town a few years later who had a small motorcycle, I leaned on him to take me to Jimmy Lee's and Oatsie Lee's school. He agreed, but he carried me to a vacant building one block away, and we entered from the other side of that building, I guess so nobody would see us. Separate But Equal - my rear end - you would not even know it was a school - the vacant building was in better shape than the separate-but-equal Negro school. I found that the only people the prejuidiced white folks hated more than the N-word people were the N-word-lovers.
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Posted by: DaftAida on Jun 17, 2005 10:04 AM
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Ordinary white people were as much slaves to the system as black, people of white skin are being made to carry the burden of guilt for those responsible for such atrocities as lynching. As a white anti-racist woman I have campaigned against predjudice and dated black men. I've been assaulted on four occasions, mugged twice and burgled by black people; male and female.
I'm talking REAL experience in THIS lifetime.
Seems to me that blacks have been primed and conditioned to hate whites. Overheard schoolgirls last week calling a bus driver "white c**t for absolutely no reason. A boyfriend had a hang-up about The Windrush, for heaven's sake. I pointed out that, at the height of 'The Empire' whites were routinely shipped to the colonies to work on plantations. I remonstrated that my grandparent perished in concentration camps yet I do not hate or blame German people for this; I'm not ignorant. Further, it's a truth that blacks enslaved blacks long before the opportunist imperialist whites arrived on the scene. Did it make any difference? No, because his whole sense of identity as a black man hinged upon this one event, long past, of victimhood. Why not identify with being a member of the common HUMAN RACE instead? Having compassion for all people with their own stories of abuse; for each and every race has them.
I see the lack of honest inquiry as lazy, stupid and racist. When a people reduce themselves to continual victimhood based on actions by others against ancestors, long dead, they perpetuate the agenda of division on behalf of the true and common enemy.When I consider re-incarnation, it becomes laughable: who did what to whom and when?
Those promoting tyranny do appear to have a racial agenda which is one race against ALL others; not white against black. But it's much easier isn't it to justify crimes based on race than take responsibility for your part in the attitude of victimhood you've been taught to adopt. Look beyond appearances and therein lies the truth.
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Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 17, 2005 11:11 AM
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My questions are as following:
1) How is the racism, lynching etc. covered in US schools and popular culture today?
2) In 1848 – 49 the liberal revolutions were crushed all over the Europe by absolutist monarchies. Nevertheless the monarchs abolished the last vestiges of feudalism since the system was untenable. At the same time US was clinging to maintenance of chattel slavery, which is far worse then semi free feudalism. And if South won the civil car, or if the war never happened, the slavery would endure for much longer then 1865. I mean the reactionary monarchies of Europe were actually more progressive at that moment then the government of the largest republic in the world.
How is that discrepancy addressed in the US?
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Posted by: billyboy43 on Jun 17, 2005 11:17 AM
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The way out of the ghetto and off the reservation is through a complete education. The American government should allocate 2% of its annual revenue to provide as edicational grants to the descendants of those whose land and labor were taken.
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Peace
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Posted by: DavidTbone on Jun 17, 2005 1:25 PM
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In St Louis last week the police mased and handcuffed a grandmother for asking them if they had a warrant, as they were looking for her grandson. Of course the policemen were white, the grandmother was black, and there was no warrant. For all of their troubles the police received a day off without pay. Last year my wife and I witnessed two policemen brutally beat a kid in the alley behind our house. The 18 year old kid stands probably 5'6 and weighs no more than 175. The two cops were probably 6'2 - 6'4 and spent lots of time in the weight room. I watched as they used the long flashlights, their feet, and their fists. It was truly horrific. When they realized I was there they started yelling 'stop resististing'. It was too late. They already broke his arm, busted his eye, and he could hardly walk. The violent crime he commited you ask? He was smoking marijuana. Do white suburb kids on heroine get this treatment?
Urban black youth have a very unfair bias against them. The labrynth of poor schooling, low expectation, avoidance of gang membership, being subject of paranoia, and constant suspect is enough to drive these CHILDREN insane. I am talking about middle school aged kids who I spend over 40 hours a week with. The music they listened to, that is sanctioned by Corporate America, feeds them with dreams of bling and schemes. The schools are in complete disrepair, and the girls of hip-hop video do nothing to curb teen pregnancy.
Whites have to face certain truths that they wish not to. I am white so I don't want to presume I know whats best for the black community, but I know we all need to RESENSITIZE ourselves to violence. We ALL need to renew our sense of OUTRAGE. We should be outraged when a teenager is gunned down by another. The disparity of mortality rates in America is an OUTRAGE. Police brutality is an OUTRAGE.
It is an OUTRAGE that Congress would apologize for liscensing lynch mob violence while turning a blind eye to poverty, racial profiling, and police brutality.
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God help us all if these are the people in the majority today, which, if Bush's squatter's takeover of the Oval Office is any barometer, they well may be.
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Posted by: Mewsician on Jun 17, 2005 3:22 PM
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PS I understand the lone Democrat, Conrad of North Dakota, who is charged with not signing did, in fact, sign on to the resolution but was late doing so. No info as to why he didn't get in on time....
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Posted by: artie on Jun 17, 2005 5:33 PM
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Oh, it's Sunday,..., I'm late for my Church... Just forget what I ever said!
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Posted by: Campesino on Jun 17, 2005 5:41 PM
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I guess I was just surprised at the tone of hostility of most of the commentors here toward the Senate for making the apology. I mean, what harm is there in an apology? If most of the commentors had said the apology was great, but the Senate should also do more, I would be in complete agreement.
Why not take the apology at face value and then move on with the work that we need to do to eliminate the remaining racism in the US. How productive is it to condemn the apology as insincere and pick apart the motives of individual senators as many here are doing?
Let's acknowledge the evils of slavery and Jim Crow are gone (though not forgotten) and good riddance and look forward to doing the work we have to do to make this a racially harmoneous country
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 17, 2005 7:45 PM
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In my city in the parking lot at a majority black high school graduation ceremony this week, shots were exchanged and investigators found a trail of blood. None involved have yet been indentified.
Are they connected? I believe so. Black on black crime has been systematically ignored. Racial profiling maintains ghettos. Tokenism rules. Those deeds try to teach folks they don't really belong. "Not one of us," sings Peter Gabriel's satire.
Yeah, divide and conquer. It's more than a shame. It's evil.
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 18, 2005 6:46 AM
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What isn't clear is whom Senators Landrieu and Allen were apologizing on behalf of. IOW, why have Messrs. Ford and Gamble built such a soapbox on this particular apology? Do I hear axes grinding in the background? Perhaps they had a polemic ready to go, about African Americans in prison and the effects of racism more generally, and this apology was a conveniently topical hook to hang it on.
It's too bad, because lynching is topical. Lynching was, and is, a form of terrorism, a way of keeping black people, and especially black men, in line and of asserting white power. Terrorism was no stranger to the U.S. before 9/11; what made the events of 9/11 unique is that _they scared the privileged white guys._ The ones who think terror is an acceptable tactic as long as it's not being wielded against them.
On the general subject of apologies, Aaron Lazare's recent book On Apology (Oxford University Press, 2004) includes some interesting discussion of public apologies. His thesis is that public apologies can, in the right circumstances, be effective even if they aren't sincere -- even when everyone knows they aren't sincere. It doesn't seem that Landrieu and Allen's apology for lynching falls into that category, but the criteria for public apologies are still worth considering.
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Posted by: DaftAida on Jun 21, 2005 10:26 AM
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Simply ignorance.
Isn't it time you had your diapers changed?
Bye kids!
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Posted by: Beverly on Jun 17, 2005 4:14 AM
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I agree that a simple apology for "lynchings" does no cut the butter. But what other solution would be considered "acceptable"? Everyone in a Nation cannot be held accountable for the wrongful acts committed by a few individuals.
As a Nation, we should be ashamed of the continued "racism" within our borders. Our government portrays us as a Nation undivided, yet they fail too acknowledge the real truths of racism that stands out like a sore thumb and is seperating our citizens.
There are many goal orientated, intelligent, dedicated individuals in the black communities who are and should be "role models" for everyone. Damon Dash, Oprah Winfrey, Dr. Martin Luther King, etc., should be the inspiration for all people of color. Follow their examples, these people are true leaders that every black person should follow.
Way too many individuals have become intrigued by the "gang lifestyle", selling drugs, committing crimes which gets them nowhere except a jail sentence. It's time for everyone to become responseable for their own actions and quit blaming others for their downfall!
We lead by example! Become a positive role model and head our lost youth into the light and and towards positive direction, let them become the leaders of the future.
Beverly Bittner
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Posted by: windy on Jun 17, 2005 5:35 AM
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There are so many rules and policies "quietly" being implemented into law and into the workplace rendering us more and more powerless and oppressed. It's very hard to voice dissent when you're in the minority opposing powerful institutions.
Our society today supports pre-emptive wars (with all the deaths and injuries and havoc and dishonesty), calling it setting up democracies and getting rid of terrorists. And supports a smirking, arrogant, fake man as our President. And we have "Christian" people (and their so-called morals) in power? And we (whites) once supported lynchings, we came out and cheered. What a history.
DemocracyNow had a segment, June 14th on this anti-lynching legislation as well, and included a segment on Billie Holiday (documentary) singing "Strange Fruit:"
"Southern trees bear strange fruit/ blood on the leaves and blood at the root/ black bodies swinging in the southern breeze/ strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees."
If more of us could join together, maybe we could make a difference.
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Posted by: howardadoughty on Jun 17, 2005 5:47 AM
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Was it a matter of giving alternate authorities the opportunity to make arrests and to prosecute the offenders in a manner similar to the passage of the law making it a federal crime to conspire to deprive people of their civil rights? I understand tnat this was marginally effective in instances where local or state authorities refused to pursue the killers of civil rights worker in the American south in the 1960s. Were proposed anti-lynching laws similar, or was there another rationale?
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This is also, as I understand it, at least part of the more recent rationale for federal hate-crime legislation (that would cover criminal acts against other minorities who are at risk from majority tyranny, such as gays and lesbians).
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Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jun 17, 2005 8:23 AM
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I was so gratified to see this missive. After hearing a soft spoken group apology, I too was overwhelmed with emotion. Can a group apology, one that was barely audible and long delayed, dismiss what still is. Lynchings, per se may now be illegal, belatedly; however, the actions and attitudes are still alive, though in an altered form.
I also wrote on this topic, citing the imprisonment of Black Americans. They are not only eliminated from society through incarceration; their assigned station lessens their possible success.
Please read my treatise and share your thoughts.
AN INCOMPLETE APOLOGY, LYNCHING IS NO LONGER LEGAL ©
Betsy L. Angert Be-Think
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 17, 2005 9:00 AM
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But isn't that what Congress is so good at these days– strutting and pontificating, while picking our pockets and picking apart The Constitution?
Maybe I read it wrong, but I don't racall anything in the First Amendment that made it selective, or optional.
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Posted by: billyboy43 on Jun 17, 2005 9:24 AM
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The political junta that is ruling our country now is comprised of the extremely wealthy 'anglos' (mostly), bigoted middle and low class anglos, and the anglo, conservative, fundamental, religious people ( I hesitate to use the word Christian, as they do not exemplify the attitude of Christ - LOVE Your Neighbor as yourself - the word Christian originally meant 'little christ'). They are marching in time to conquer the world for 'their kind'. It has been reported that when the bombs were dropping in Iraq, killing up to 100,000 men, women and children in the war for control of the dwindling supplies of oil, Rove was walking around the White House singing 'Onward Christion Soldiers'.
I was raised in Mississippi on a southern plantation in Sunflower county (near Leflore county where Emmit Till was killed) in the 1950's and 1960's. I was the white son of the plantation owner. There were four of us boys about the same age, two white and two black. We played, fished, camped-out, rode the horse and mule, swam in the bayou and irrigation well pool - everything country folks done in that time and place - together.
On the first day of kindergarten I wondered where my two black friends were (the white boy was older and in elementary school). When Iasked my mother after class where they were, she said, 'You know Jimmy Lee and Oatsie Lee don't go to kindergarten.'
My first day of the first grade a year later, I found what segration was, and just didn't understand- two schools, one you could see up on the highway, and one hidden somewhere on the back streets - white and colored drinking fountains - one colored restroom at places that served the blacks out the back door - white only signs. When I befriended a white boy in town a few years later who had a small motorcycle, I leaned on him to take me to Jimmy Lee's and Oatsie Lee's school. He agreed, but he carried me to a vacant building one block away, and we entered from the other side of that building, I guess so nobody would see us. Separate But Equal - my rear end - you would not even know it was a school - the vacant building was in better shape than the separate-but-equal Negro school. I found that the only people the prejuidiced white folks hated more than the N-word people were the N-word-lovers.
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Posted by: DaftAida on Jun 17, 2005 10:04 AM
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Ordinary white people were as much slaves to the system as black, people of white skin are being made to carry the burden of guilt for those responsible for such atrocities as lynching. As a white anti-racist woman I have campaigned against predjudice and dated black men. I've been assaulted on four occasions, mugged twice and burgled by black people; male and female.
I'm talking REAL experience in THIS lifetime.
Seems to me that blacks have been primed and conditioned to hate whites. Overheard schoolgirls last week calling a bus driver "white c**t for absolutely no reason. A boyfriend had a hang-up about The Windrush, for heaven's sake. I pointed out that, at the height of 'The Empire' whites were routinely shipped to the colonies to work on plantations. I remonstrated that my grandparent perished in concentration camps yet I do not hate or blame German people for this; I'm not ignorant. Further, it's a truth that blacks enslaved blacks long before the opportunist imperialist whites arrived on the scene. Did it make any difference? No, because his whole sense of identity as a black man hinged upon this one event, long past, of victimhood. Why not identify with being a member of the common HUMAN RACE instead? Having compassion for all people with their own stories of abuse; for each and every race has them.
I see the lack of honest inquiry as lazy, stupid and racist. When a people reduce themselves to continual victimhood based on actions by others against ancestors, long dead, they perpetuate the agenda of division on behalf of the true and common enemy.When I consider re-incarnation, it becomes laughable: who did what to whom and when?
Those promoting tyranny do appear to have a racial agenda which is one race against ALL others; not white against black. But it's much easier isn't it to justify crimes based on race than take responsibility for your part in the attitude of victimhood you've been taught to adopt. Look beyond appearances and therein lies the truth.
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Posted by: bonapartist on Jun 17, 2005 11:11 AM
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My questions are as following:
1) How is the racism, lynching etc. covered in US schools and popular culture today?
2) In 1848 – 49 the liberal revolutions were crushed all over the Europe by absolutist monarchies. Nevertheless the monarchs abolished the last vestiges of feudalism since the system was untenable. At the same time US was clinging to maintenance of chattel slavery, which is far worse then semi free feudalism. And if South won the civil car, or if the war never happened, the slavery would endure for much longer then 1865. I mean the reactionary monarchies of Europe were actually more progressive at that moment then the government of the largest republic in the world.
How is that discrepancy addressed in the US?
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The way out of the ghetto and off the reservation is through a complete education. The American government should allocate 2% of its annual revenue to provide as edicational grants to the descendants of those whose land and labor were taken.
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Peace
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In St Louis last week the police mased and handcuffed a grandmother for asking them if they had a warrant, as they were looking for her grandson. Of course the policemen were white, the grandmother was black, and there was no warrant. For all of their troubles the police received a day off without pay. Last year my wife and I witnessed two policemen brutally beat a kid in the alley behind our house. The 18 year old kid stands probably 5'6 and weighs no more than 175. The two cops were probably 6'2 - 6'4 and spent lots of time in the weight room. I watched as they used the long flashlights, their feet, and their fists. It was truly horrific. When they realized I was there they started yelling 'stop resististing'. It was too late. They already broke his arm, busted his eye, and he could hardly walk. The violent crime he commited you ask? He was smoking marijuana. Do white suburb kids on heroine get this treatment?
Urban black youth have a very unfair bias against them. The labrynth of poor schooling, low expectation, avoidance of gang membership, being subject of paranoia, and constant suspect is enough to drive these CHILDREN insane. I am talking about middle school aged kids who I spend over 40 hours a week with. The music they listened to, that is sanctioned by Corporate America, feeds them with dreams of bling and schemes. The schools are in complete disrepair, and the girls of hip-hop video do nothing to curb teen pregnancy.
Whites have to face certain truths that they wish not to. I am white so I don't want to presume I know whats best for the black community, but I know we all need to RESENSITIZE ourselves to violence. We ALL need to renew our sense of OUTRAGE. We should be outraged when a teenager is gunned down by another. The disparity of mortality rates in America is an OUTRAGE. Police brutality is an OUTRAGE.
It is an OUTRAGE that Congress would apologize for liscensing lynch mob violence while turning a blind eye to poverty, racial profiling, and police brutality.
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God help us all if these are the people in the majority today, which, if Bush's squatter's takeover of the Oval Office is any barometer, they well may be.
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PS I understand the lone Democrat, Conrad of North Dakota, who is charged with not signing did, in fact, sign on to the resolution but was late doing so. No info as to why he didn't get in on time....
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Oh, it's Sunday,..., I'm late for my Church... Just forget what I ever said!
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Posted by: Campesino on Jun 17, 2005 5:41 PM
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I guess I was just surprised at the tone of hostility of most of the commentors here toward the Senate for making the apology. I mean, what harm is there in an apology? If most of the commentors had said the apology was great, but the Senate should also do more, I would be in complete agreement.
Why not take the apology at face value and then move on with the work that we need to do to eliminate the remaining racism in the US. How productive is it to condemn the apology as insincere and pick apart the motives of individual senators as many here are doing?
Let's acknowledge the evils of slavery and Jim Crow are gone (though not forgotten) and good riddance and look forward to doing the work we have to do to make this a racially harmoneous country
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 17, 2005 7:45 PM
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In my city in the parking lot at a majority black high school graduation ceremony this week, shots were exchanged and investigators found a trail of blood. None involved have yet been indentified.
Are they connected? I believe so. Black on black crime has been systematically ignored. Racial profiling maintains ghettos. Tokenism rules. Those deeds try to teach folks they don't really belong. "Not one of us," sings Peter Gabriel's satire.
Yeah, divide and conquer. It's more than a shame. It's evil.
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What isn't clear is whom Senators Landrieu and Allen were apologizing on behalf of. IOW, why have Messrs. Ford and Gamble built such a soapbox on this particular apology? Do I hear axes grinding in the background? Perhaps they had a polemic ready to go, about African Americans in prison and the effects of racism more generally, and this apology was a conveniently topical hook to hang it on.
It's too bad, because lynching is topical. Lynching was, and is, a form of terrorism, a way of keeping black people, and especially black men, in line and of asserting white power. Terrorism was no stranger to the U.S. before 9/11; what made the events of 9/11 unique is that _they scared the privileged white guys._ The ones who think terror is an acceptable tactic as long as it's not being wielded against them.
On the general subject of apologies, Aaron Lazare's recent book On Apology (Oxford University Press, 2004) includes some interesting discussion of public apologies. His thesis is that public apologies can, in the right circumstances, be effective even if they aren't sincere -- even when everyone knows they aren't sincere. It doesn't seem that Landrieu and Allen's apology for lynching falls into that category, but the criteria for public apologies are still worth considering.
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Simply ignorance.
Isn't it time you had your diapers changed?
Bye kids!
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