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Debating Downing Street

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted June 15, 2005.


Thursday on Capitol Hill, John Conyers will host an urgent and long-awaited public hearing about the implications of the Downing Street Memo.
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Tomorrow in Washington, Congressmember John Conyers of Michigan, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, will convene a public hearing on the so-called Downing Street Memo and other newly released documents that Conyers says show the administration's "efforts to cook the books on pre-war intelligence."

Conyers also says that he plans to raise new documents that back up the accuracy of the Downing Street memo, which is actually the classified minutes of a July 2002 meeting of Tony Blair and his senior advisers.

The minutes, which were published May 1 by the Sunday Times of London, paint a picture of an administration that had already committed to attacking Iraq, was manipulating intelligence and had already begun intense bombing of Iraq to prepare for the ground invasion. This was almost a year before the actual invasion officially began.

The minutes are from a July 23, 2002 briefing of Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top national security advisers by British intelligence chief Richard Dearlove. The minutes contain an account of Dearlove's report that President George W. Bush had decided to bring about "regime change" in Iraq by military action; that the attack would be "justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD" (weapons of mass destruction); and that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

Meanwhile, this past weekend, the Sunday Times of London had another expose, showing that British cabinet members were warned that the UK was committed to taking part in a US-led invasion of Iraq and they had no choice but to find a way of making it legal. The memo was written in advance of the Downing Street meeting that produced the Downing Street Minutes.

Despite the explosive information in these documents, they have received very little attention in the corporate media in this country and Bush administration officials have only been asked about it a handful of times.

On June 7, after more than a month of media silence, a reporter for the Reuters news agency finally questioned President Bush and Tony Blair on the Downing Street Memo.

The Conyers hearing is scheduled for tomorrow on Capitol Hill, but only today did Conyers announce that they would be inside of the Capitol. Until this morning, they were scheduled to take place at the Democratic National Committee because the Republicans controlling the House Judiciary Committee refused to permit the ranking Democratic Member, John Conyers, to hold official hearings. Conyers now says he has managed to get an official room.

Among those scheduled to testify tomorrow are former US ambassador to Iraq, Joe Wilson, attorney John Bonifaz and parents of soldiers killed in Iraq. The hearings will be followed by a rally outside the White House tomorrow evening and a petition with some half a million signatures will be delivered to the White House, calling on Bush to answer questions on the memo.

AMY GOODMAN: On June 7, after more than a month of media silence, a reporter for the Reuters news agency finally questioned President Bush and Tony Blair on the Downing Street Memo:

REPORTER: On Iraq, the so-called Downing Street Memo from July 2002 says, "Intelligence and facts remain fixed around the policy of removing Saddam through military action." Is this an accurate reflection of what happened? Could both of you respond?

TONY BLAIR: Well, I can respond to that very easily. No, the facts were not being fixed in any shape or form at all. And let me remind you that that memorandum was written before we then went to the United Nations. Now, no one knows more intimately the discussions that we were conducting as two countries at the time than me.

And the fact is, we decided to go to the United Nations and went through that process, which resulted in the November 2002 United Nations resolution to give a final chance to Saddam Hussein to comply with international law. He didn't do so. And that was the reason why we had to take military action. But, you know, all the way through that period of time, we were trying to look for a way of managing to resolve this without conflict.

As it happened, we weren't able to do that because, as I think was very clear, there was no way that Saddam Hussein was ever going to change the way that he worked or the way that he acted.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Well, I, you know, I read kind of the characterizations of the memo, particularly when they dropped it out in the middle of his race. I'm not sure who they dropped it out is, but I'm not suggesting you all dropped it out there. And somebody said, well, you know, we had made up our mind to go to use military force to deal with Saddam. There is nothing farther from the truth. My conversations with the Prime Minister was how can we do this peacefully, what could we do, and this meeting, you know, evidently that took place in London happened before we even went to the United Nations or I went to the United Nations, and so it's - look, both of us didn't want to use our military. Nobody wants to commit military into combat. It's the last option.


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Amy Goodman is the host of the nationally syndicated radio news program Democracy Now!.

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You Go John!
Posted by: mstenger on Jun 15, 2005 1:59 PM   
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Thank gawd for brave lawmakers like John Conyers! We may still be able to pull this country out of the beast's jaws. Let's see if the press says anything at all about tomorrow's meeting, though.

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More Downing Street, Iraq war, etc.
Posted by: dearkitty on Jun 15, 2005 2:16 PM   
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See here.

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Reply to L.A. Times editorial
Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 15, 2005 3:11 PM   
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I have no idea who this letter writer below is or how he knows who "C" in Blair's administration is. If Dearlove had been publicly identified prior to Kinsley's editorial, that omission is significant evidence of blinking on the part of Kinsley.

Did Kinsley Miss the Memo's Message?
In "The Left Gets a Memo," Commentary, June 12: Michael Kinsley minimizes the significance of the so-called Downing Street Memo concerning the timing of the decision to go to war in Iraq and the distortion of the related intelligence. He dismisses the memo because Robert Scheer had already told us the go-to-war policy was in place early, and the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times and Time magazine had issued similar opinions. So, in Kinsley's view, the Downing Street Memo was old news.

The aspect of the memo that Kinsley ignores is the significance of the source of its messages about the "fixing" of the intelligence around the policy and the lack of concern about the war's aftermath. That source was Sir Richard Dearlove, head of British foreign intelligence. He must be viewed as a high-level insider among the leaders of the two governments that initiated the Iraq war. He thus joins Paul O'Neill and Richard Clarke as knowledgeable inside sources who have asserted that removal of Saddam Hussein by military means it was adopted as policy far earlier than the administration would have us believe. In contrast, Scheer and the various opinion editors do not qualify as high-level inside sources. James K. Knowles Sierra Madre

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Calling all patriotic Americans!!
Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net on Jun 15, 2005 3:13 PM   
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Some of you have seen my posts about NOTA, an organization devoted to helping patriotic Americans who want to, shall we say, vote the bums out & replace them with true representatives who will impeach & remove our co-fuhrers from office. On our web site (http://home.earthlink.net/~us-nota/), we are building a state-by-state directory of information sources on everything from how to register to vote, to forming a political party, PAC, & more. This starts with a listing of links to the Secretary of State Office for each state. See our site under "Election Info->Alabama" for an example of the type of information we are putting together to help people organize to ride these dogs out of town on a rail in 2006. The raw links to SoS sites will be listed under "Election Info" by this time tomorrow - I tried to post them here but it is too long!

This is a mere beginning; we actively seek people to help research this information and more. If you want to use these links for your own purposes or would like to do some research for the NOTA site (we are an all-volunteer army!), these links are the place to start. If you want to send us links to post, either for this directory or other info, such as organizations who do voter registration work or other subversive radical stuff, any suggestions as to what else might help, please use the "Contact Us" page on our site, which is obviously only recently under construction.

There are several web sites which have this info, but they charge you for the service of collecting & presenting it in one place. NOTA belongs to Us, the People. We will never charge for our services, but if you want one of our speakers to visit with your group, we ask for expenses & to be allowed to pass the hat. See our site for details!

All Power to the People!!

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Amy Goodman
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 16, 2005 3:37 AM   
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Hey there, people. I just got done reading a great book! I've read now twenty three books about this hideous administration and the murderous half-wit posing as the commander in chief. None of them come as close to summing up the whole picture in a concise, readable package as EXCEPTION TO THE RULERS by Amy Goodman. It's available at Barnes and Noble in paperback - READ IT! I couldn't put the dang thing down!
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Media: Errors or Intent?
Posted by: Stonecutter on Jun 16, 2005 5:37 AM   
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As far as I am concerned, after closely following multiple media outlets for the past several years during this nightmare of an administration, it's not errors we're talking about, but conscious intent to squash any story critical of the president and his crew, and this "advocacy" is especially true of the AP.
Their bias toward the administration's policies has been blatant and transparent. Even the NY Times has so far buried the DSM in its back pages. Is this sickening--and frightening--or what? As long as there are Amy Goodmans, and Air America, and Alternet, and Truthout, and several other alternative outlets, there is at least a significant counterweight against the morphing of corporate mass media into this administration's Dr. Goebbels & Co. Perhaps at some tipping point in the near future, we can roll out president Ford's old lead-in, "Our long national nightmare is over" in the service of seeing this imbecile and his whole bunch of "evildoers" walk the plank. For the first time in a while, we're hopeful. Go John Conyers! (This guy should be getting the Medal of Freedom from the next Democratic president).

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I have absolutely no problem calling the media "Traitors".
Posted by: Pepper on Jun 16, 2005 6:02 AM   
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THose are the words we must begin to use. As Joseph Goerbels once said "if you control the language" you control the country.

So, words like "traitor", "collaborators" and Nuremberg Trials need to be used. Frankly, if this memo is true, which it appears to be, then we are talking about "crimes against humanity" for all the children killed, maimed, diseased and irradiated in Iraq.

Did you know that prior to the war in Iraq THIS TIME around that 51% of the Iraqi population was under 15 years old??? That was because of the first war in Iraq. Did you also know that Iraq is mentioned in the Bible the 2nd largest number of times behind Isreal? This country is the seat of civilization and even for religious people, the garden of Eden was between the Tigres and Euphrates Rivers.

Its an abomination what we have done to that nation in the name of oil and greed and what we have done to kill and maim our own soldiers whom we sent in without the adequate protection they deserved to fight this so called war.

OH, YES, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, TREASON, COLLABORATION, NAZI'S are all terms that need to be expressed much more than they are now. No more politically correct terms, call it like it is.

Cheney, Rumsfeld and their puppet Bush must all go and go NOW!

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why then, are we there?
Posted by: arfbark on Jun 16, 2005 8:38 AM   
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The reasons we have been fed seem to be mostly baloney. Why then are we there? To build a few air force bases? To control the oil? How about backing up the Saudi royal family? Nice big allied sword right next door should the population start gettin' uppity. Pretty convenient, good strategy, sweet deal. Why is there no exit plan spoken of? Because there is no plan to exit!

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Bush Patterns
Posted by: needlefoot on Jun 16, 2005 8:56 AM   
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The importance of the Downing Street Memo (and the other memos currently leaking out) lies not in its further proof that there were no weapons of mass destruction and that Bush created justifications for the Iraqi War, but in the fact that this particular behavior on his part is cut from the same cloth as all else that has occurred since this man took his seat in the Oval Office. There is a pattern of lying, of manipulation, of misrepresentation, of tremendous disrespect for the American people in order to carry out the neo-conservative agenda. He calls himself a compassionate conservative; yet he actively works to destroy the safety-net programs that have helped to make our society strong and inclusive. He calls himself a born-again Christian; yet he ignores the social justice aspect of Biblical teaching. He says he backs education; yet he fails to fully fund No Child Left Behind. On and on it goes. He and his merry bunch of neo-conservatives will say anything to win your support and then they will do exactly what they need to do to accomplish their goals.
The Downing Street Memo really raises the question of whether or not we want this man directing the course of our lives and representing us abroad. I firmly believe this man needs to be impeached.

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» RE: Bush Patterns Posted by: The Heretic
redcroe
Posted by: redcroe on Jun 16, 2005 10:42 AM   
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This administration, the Republican Party (and some of the Democrats), the corporate dominated media, and at least half of the American people are all complicit in the impatient run up to the invasion of Iraq.

America now finds it's self riding a tiger - afraid to stay on it, but even more afraid to get off of it. We, the taxpayers loose in either scenerio. If we "stay the course" we will run the risk of total bankruptcy. If we withdraw from the invasion, we leave a nation that will most likely erupt into a bitter civil war, for which we will also be blamed.

All of which speaks to a total lack of understanding about the consequences of the "peace" after the destruction of Iraq. This fact alone is reason enough for an independent investigation of this administration. And the sooner the better.
As you conservatives are fond of saying, "Justice delayed, is justice denied".

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Sound familiar?
Posted by: David L on Jun 16, 2005 1:07 PM   
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
~ Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief

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» RE: Sound familiar? Posted by: Stonecutter
Treason!
Posted by: pjrsullivan on Jun 16, 2005 2:34 PM   
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That is the word used to describe waging of war against ones home country. Treason is but a quaint notion of the international members of the Merchant murder Class, they see things at a larger level.

The London Cabal has set their plans to drive a dagger into the heart of American freedoms, the Bush Political crime family is in collusion with the greatest enemy of the freedoms of the American people, that is the Royal frauds of London and their Zionist cannibal cult partners in crime.

The Anglo-Sheeny death sqauds of London are no longer running free in America, they have been identified, and if they linger about this old crown colony, there are groups of people prepared to, "Give them what the fucking Cardinal got," that is the level of understanding that they recognize, and they have now had to run for cover.

The historical criminal elites knew that these days would appear, so they had a plan early on, and that was to destroy humanity with nuclear weapons, to return us to hunger privation and death, the great gift that the criminal elite continue to foist upon large segments of this world.

What the mass of the population needs to become aware of is this, the nuclear war criminals have repeatedly attempted to launch nuclear weapons on us, the reason why we are still alive is because some unknown group of higher level powers have intervened repeatedly to block the launch of these missiles.

In th early 1950s representatives of the higher level powers met with humans and advised that them that they would have to, "Subordinate private profit to the requirements of social justice." The criminal elite decided that they would rather, "Fight than switch." Our criminal elite continue to provide us with nothing but indecency, brutality and a continuous stream of depravity.

Their plans for us are , "Diminish what they are, so that you make take what they have." War is their proven method to commit an unending stream of criminal acts of human defilement.

http://politicsofet.com

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» RE: Treason! Posted by: Stonecutter
BEWARE! Patriots Meet in the Capitol's Basement!
Posted by: Red Arrow on Jun 16, 2005 11:43 PM   
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I haven't been this happy since before the 2000 selection of GW to go to the White House and begin destroying every good thing about this country!

Wahoo! It's going to take a mountain of hard plodding, and resistance every step of the way, but I really think this Downing Street Minutes and Memos situation just may be the key to removing the criminals who are in our highest offices from their positions.

I wish none of them ill. I simply want them removed -- permanently -- from power. We need to expose their lies and methods, their brutality and torture, threats and intimidation and punishment of all opposition because ALL of us need to SEE AND REMEMBER that THIS is how a people loses its freedom.

It is those who are damned as traitors for not blindly supporting dictators who are the true patriots and heroes in a country that claims freedom as its right.

I cannot tell you how often I have heard from people whom I otherwise like and respect that we have to stand behind him (meaning Bush) simply because he holds the office of President! Good Grief! If that were the case, why would we have Article II of the Constitution stating that the President ". . . shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."?

And why would the House be granted sole power to Impeach, and the Senate sole power to try all Impeachments?

If we pledge allegiance, it is TO THE REPUBLIC -- not to the President!

Very often, in dark times, the light begins to shine from a very small match struck in a tiny basement room. Thanks to Mr. Sensenbrenner, Mr. Conyers and his fellow patriots were forced to meet in a tiny basement room of the Capitol; but what they did there on this day did more for our freedom and for the well-being of our ailing nation than anything I have seen or heard from any branch of our government or corporate-controlled media in a very long time.

Now we must support the efforts of our courageous peace-and-liberty "warriors".

God Bless Them!

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The meaning of "Fix"
Posted by: jobie1kno on Jun 17, 2005 6:38 AM   
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Don't let anybody fool you, with the claim that the Brits intended the word 'fix' to mean something else; "...the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." ( as stated in the Downing Street Memo). Take it from a Brit; it means exactly the same thing, and the mainstream news media are cowards for indicating otherwise. This is a clear example of the lengths they will go to to fool the American people, on behalf of the government.

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American foreign and defense policy is adrift....We aim to change this.
Posted by: web_researcher on Jun 21, 2005 3:40 PM   
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Letter to President Bill Clinton dated January, 26 1998

Signed by Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld

The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy....

...We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country.

http://www.newamericancentury.org
/iraqclintonletter.htm
___________________________________

Statement of Principles dated June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift....We aim to change this.

Signed by Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz

http://www.newamericancentury.org/
statementofprinciples.htm

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