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Something Rotten in Ohio
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I say "subversive" not only because C-SPAN is apt to take interesting books seriously but also because its live coverage of the Senate and the House of Representatives is the only look we are ever allowed at the mouthpieces of our masters up close and is, at times, most reflective of a government more and more remote from us, unaccountable and repressive. To watch the righteous old prophet Byrd of West Virginia, the sunny hypocrisy of Biden of Delaware -- as I write these hallowed names, I summon up their faces, hear their voices, and I am covered with C-SPAN goose bumps.
At any rate, wondrous C-SPAN has another string to its bow. While some executive was nodding, C-SPAN started showing us Britain's House of Commons during Question Time. This is the only glimpse that most Americans will ever get of how democracy is supposed to work.
These party leaders are pitted against one another in often savage debate on subjects of war and peace, health and education. Then some 600 Members of Parliament are allowed to ask questions of their great chieftains. Years ago the incomparable Dwight Macdonald wrote that any letter to the London Times (the Brits are inveterate letter writers on substantive issues) is better written than any editorial in the New York Times.
In addition to Question Time, which allows Americans to see how political democracy works, as opposed to our two chambers of lobbyists for corporate America, C-SPAN also showed the three party leaders being interrogated by a cross section of, for the most part, youthful subjects of the phantom crown and presided over by an experienced political journalist. Blair was roughly accused of lying about the legal advice he had received apropos Britain's right to go to war in Iraq for the US oil and gas junta. This BBC live audience asked far more informed and informative questions than the entire US press corps was allowed to ask Bush et al. in our recent election. But Americans are not used to challenging authority in what has been called wartime by a President who has ordered invasions of two countries that have done us no harm and is now planning future wars despite dwindling manpower and lack of money. Blair, for just going along, had to deal with savage, informed questions of a sort that Bush would never answer even if he were competent to do so.
So we have seen what democracy across the water can do. All in all a jarring experience for anyone foolish enough to believe that America is democratic in anything except furiously imprisoning the innocent and joyously electing the guilty. What to do? As a first step, I invite the radicals at C-SPAN who take seriously our Constitution and Bill of Rights to address their attention to the corruption of the presidential election of 2004, particularly in the state of Ohio.
One of the most useful members of the House -- currently the most useful -- is John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat who, in his capacity as ranking minority member of the Judiciary Committee, led the committee's Democratic Congressmen and their staffers into the heart of the American heartland, the Western Reserve; specifically, into the not-so-red state of Ohio, once known as "the mother of Presidents."
He had come to answer the question that the minority of Americans who care about the Republic have been asking since November 2004: "What went wrong in Ohio?" He is too modest to note the difficulties he must have undergone even to assemble this team in the face of the triumphalist Republican Congressional majority, not to mention the unlikely heir to himself, George W. Bush, whose original selection by the Supreme Court brought forth many reports on what went wrong in Florida in 2000.
These led to an apology from Associate Justice John Paul Stevens for the behavior of the 5-to-4 majority of the Court in the matter of Bush v. Gore. Loser Bush then brought on undeclared wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as the greatest deficits in our history and the revelations that the policies of an Administration that -- much as Count Dracula fled cloves of garlic -- flees all accountability were responsible for the murder and torture of captive men, between 70 percent and 90 percent of whom, by the Pentagon's estimate, had been swept up at random, earning us the hatred of a billion Muslims and the disgust of what is called the civilized world.
Asked to predict who would win in '04, I said that, again, Bush would lose, but I was confident that in the four years between 2000 and 2004 creative propaganda and the fixing of election officials might very well be so perfected as to insure an official victory for Mr. Bush. As Representative Conyers's report, Preserving Democracy: What Went Wrong in Ohio (3.2 MB PDF link), shows in great detail, the swing state of Ohio was carefully set up to deliver an apparent victory for Bush even though Kerry appears to have been the popular winner as well as the valedictorian-that-never-was of the Electoral College.
I urge would-be reformers of our politics as well as of such anachronisms as the Electoral College to read Conyers's valuable guide on how to steal an election once you have in place the supervisor of the state's electoral process: In this case, Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who orchestrated a famous victory for those who hate democracy (a permanent but passionate minority). The Conyers Report states categorically, "With regards to our factual finding, in brief, we find that there were massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies in Ohio. In many cases these irregularities were caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State Kenneth J. Blackwell, the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio." In other words, the Florida 2000 scenario redux, when the chair for Bush/Cheney was also the Secretary of State. Lesson? Always plan ahead for at least four more years.
It is well-known in the United States of Amnesia that not only did Ohio have a considerable number of first-time voters but that Blackwell and his gang, through "the misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority and Democratic voters."
For the past few years many of us have been warning about the electronic voting machines, first publicized on the Internet by investigator Bev Harris, for which she was much reviled by the officers of such companies as Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S, Triad; this last voting computer company "has essentially admitted that it engaged in a course of behavior during the recount in numerous counties to provide 'cheat sheets' to those counting the ballots. The cheat sheets informed election officials how many votes they should find for each candidate, and how many over and under votes they should calculate to match the machine count. In that way, they could avoid doing a full county-wide hand recount mandated by state law."
Yet despite all this manpower and money power, exit polls showed that Kerry would win Ohio. So, what happened?
I have told more than enough of this mystery story so thoroughly investigated by Conyers and his Congressional colleagues and their staffers. Not only were the crimes against democracy investigated but the report on What Went Wrong in Ohio comes up with quite a number of ways to set things right.
Needless to say, this report was ignored when the Electoral College produced its unexamined tally of the votes state by state. Needless to say, no joint committee of the two houses of Congress was convened to consider the various crimes committed and to find ways and means to avoid their repetition in 2008, should we be allowed to hold an election once we have unilaterally, yet again, engaged in a war -- this time with Iran. Anyway, thanks to Conyers, the writing is now high up there on the wall for us all to see clearly: "Mene, mene, tekel, upharsin." Students of the Good Book will know what these words of God meant to Belshazzar and his cronies in old Babylon.
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Posted by: ggmurray on Jun 14, 2005 3:50 AM
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Where are the the OCR optical character reading voting machines that leave a verifiable paper trail, and enough of them to fully stock every precinct?
Perhaps it is time to invite the UN in to supervise our next election.
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Posted by: Peace on Jun 14, 2005 5:17 AM
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After the 2000 election it was obvious that the US was not capable of running a fair election.
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Here’s what voting was like in Ohio. My rural township had plenty of voting machines, wait time less than 15 minutes. Affluent friends’ suburban voting wait tended to be under a half hour. Friends’ poorest Cleveland neighborhoods had minimal machines and few workers, average wait time between 2 and 4 hours. Several local colleges had wait times up to 9 hours. People who were least likely to afford the time to stand in line were expected to do so, thousands surely gave up, but even of those who did wait many of their votes were not counted due to “errors” such as incorrect registrations. Repeatedly I heard about fewer voting machines than there were in the primaries, but only in Democratic areas. Officials denied these accounts.
Ohio, once a solidly comfortable state, is now rock bottom poor, environmentally devastated and plagued by the poor physical and mental health of its residents. Go figure. As the nation lifts from economic troubles our state continues to suffer job loss and heavy economic decline.
The disasters and absurdities visited upon us by the Bush administration will build until all those who are sleeping wake up. If the collapse of our democratic voting system, loss of our civil rights and the horror of an illegal war don’t do it, God help us all.
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freedomdomain.com/banking/the_city.html
paulsholtz.com/century/collectivism.html
zyx.org/ROTHSCHILDS.htm
biblebelievers.org.au/bb980304.htm
greatdreams.com/political/cabal3.htm
cyberone.com.au/myers/money-masters.html
uaces.org/E53Luo.pdf
centralbanking.co.uk
themoneymasters.com/
mayanmajix.com/UCC_course_2.pdf
biblebelievers.org.au/empire.htm
supremelaw.org/authors/gould/part02.htm
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Call your Senators and Congressional representatives and demand a full investigation of the 2004 (might as well include 2000 while you're at it) elections. Our democracy was stolen, twice, and will be again and again as long as there is electronic voting and the Rapturecon BushCo death-cult Christo-fascist lootocracy in power. If we don't, if the movement to investigate and right the wrongs of the last two presidential elections doesn't take on the same weight and momentem that the investigation of the Downing Steet Memo now has, we are doomed to repeat that history again and again.
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Posted by: oyka1 on Jun 14, 2005 9:32 AM
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'invaded 2 nations that did us no harm' (paraphrase)
Who was the second? Afghanistan? The Taliban regime did actively help and allowed al Qaeda terrorist camps to operate, terrorists that later attacked us on 9/11.
After 9/11 they refused to trun bin Laden and others over. The strike itself was justified, if not the horrible way the Afghanistan is now treated is.
Iraq was different.
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I also love Gore Vidal, who is one of the most important voices of our time. And I was happy to see that he had an opportunity to talk just a bit about this on Bill Maher's show last month.
Bravo, Gore Vidal! You are truly an inspiration. And I am a huge fan.
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They WON this battle. The factories remain closed.
Too bad there aren't enough people in our country willing to buck the system. Less "bitchin'" more activism is needed.
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Does anyone know the deinition of ironic as it seems to be missing from this world at the moment...
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The fact of the matter is our "representative government" no longer represents the people of this country. Recent elections and the arrogance of the Bush administration have brought to light the sorry state of American democracy, but rest assured, Bush & Co did not single handedly corrupt an otherwise perfect government. Rather, their rise to power and disasterous reign have been made possible by decades of Democrat and Republican misrule - along with a healthy dose of public apathy. George W Bush is simply a product of that awful legacy; he is the personification of everything that was already wrong with our political/economic system.
So what will happen when the people of America realize that our political and economic problems are systemic, and as such can never be truly "fixed" by any amount of tinkering and adjusting within those systems? Are the majority of the people in this country even capable of recognizing the true nature of our problems? If we do, I think it's a safe bet that the powers that be won't go down without a fight. If it comes to that, I hope to God that I'm there to be a part of it.
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Given the current administration I am not surprised electronic voting systems have been allowed to be used and then somewhat become corrupted. Of course it was planned - the same as how casinos operate to ensure a favourable result in gambling.
Wake up simpletons of the USA - this apathetic behaviour just invites corruption to occur on both sides of the political fence. Computers are so easy to manipulate & blatently open to error. Ballot fixing is almost always guaranteed. Its pathetic that the idea of using such methods have ever been accepted by a so called bastion of democracy.
Election participation should be made compulsory just like a drivers license. Everybody would take an interest & care about the value of their vote. Where I come from (not the US) voting is compulsory & anonymous for all adult citizens or you get fined - like driving a car. If you you don't want to cast a vote, you don't have to, but you still have to turn up at the polling booth to collect your ballot. So most people end up using their ballot to vote anyhow. Donkey voting (not using your vote) is severely ridiculed if you freely admit to it. Normally this returns 96% validated votes by the national adult population ON PAPER using a single national uniform system. How simple is that....
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This also connects directly to Omaha-based Peter Kiewit Foundation and corporation, the Omaha World-Herald, and Union Pacific Railroad and its subsidiary Union Pacific Resources. These are branches of the Harriman family's financial investments controlled by Brown Brothers Harriman investment bank. Both Dick and Lynne Cheney were hirelings of that network through their employment by the boards of Union Pacific Resources and Halliburton (which bought out the debts of Dresser Industries--owned by Brown Brothers Harriman).
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Where are the the OCR optical character reading voting machines that leave a verifiable paper trail, and enough of them to fully stock every precinct?
Perhaps it is time to invite the UN in to supervise our next election.
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Posted by: Peace on Jun 14, 2005 5:17 AM
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After the 2000 election it was obvious that the US was not capable of running a fair election.
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Here’s what voting was like in Ohio. My rural township had plenty of voting machines, wait time less than 15 minutes. Affluent friends’ suburban voting wait tended to be under a half hour. Friends’ poorest Cleveland neighborhoods had minimal machines and few workers, average wait time between 2 and 4 hours. Several local colleges had wait times up to 9 hours. People who were least likely to afford the time to stand in line were expected to do so, thousands surely gave up, but even of those who did wait many of their votes were not counted due to “errors” such as incorrect registrations. Repeatedly I heard about fewer voting machines than there were in the primaries, but only in Democratic areas. Officials denied these accounts.
Ohio, once a solidly comfortable state, is now rock bottom poor, environmentally devastated and plagued by the poor physical and mental health of its residents. Go figure. As the nation lifts from economic troubles our state continues to suffer job loss and heavy economic decline.
The disasters and absurdities visited upon us by the Bush administration will build until all those who are sleeping wake up. If the collapse of our democratic voting system, loss of our civil rights and the horror of an illegal war don’t do it, God help us all.
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Posted by: Ken Kirk on Jun 14, 2005 6:14 AM
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abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread143400/pg3
apfn.org/apfn/queen.htm
apfn.org/apfn/bcolony.htm
savethemales.ca/000447.html
cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/
freedomdomain.com/banking/the_city.html
paulsholtz.com/century/collectivism.html
zyx.org/ROTHSCHILDS.htm
biblebelievers.org.au/bb980304.htm
greatdreams.com/political/cabal3.htm
cyberone.com.au/myers/money-masters.html
uaces.org/E53Luo.pdf
centralbanking.co.uk
themoneymasters.com/
mayanmajix.com/UCC_course_2.pdf
biblebelievers.org.au/empire.htm
supremelaw.org/authors/gould/part02.htm
phoenixsourcedistributors.com/010620.pdf
Sincerely,
Kenneth-Leonard of the Kirk family
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Call your Senators and Congressional representatives and demand a full investigation of the 2004 (might as well include 2000 while you're at it) elections. Our democracy was stolen, twice, and will be again and again as long as there is electronic voting and the Rapturecon BushCo death-cult Christo-fascist lootocracy in power. If we don't, if the movement to investigate and right the wrongs of the last two presidential elections doesn't take on the same weight and momentem that the investigation of the Downing Steet Memo now has, we are doomed to repeat that history again and again.
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Posted by: oyka1 on Jun 14, 2005 9:32 AM
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'invaded 2 nations that did us no harm' (paraphrase)
Who was the second? Afghanistan? The Taliban regime did actively help and allowed al Qaeda terrorist camps to operate, terrorists that later attacked us on 9/11.
After 9/11 they refused to trun bin Laden and others over. The strike itself was justified, if not the horrible way the Afghanistan is now treated is.
Iraq was different.
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Posted by: helenwheels on Jun 14, 2005 10:02 AM
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I also love Gore Vidal, who is one of the most important voices of our time. And I was happy to see that he had an opportunity to talk just a bit about this on Bill Maher's show last month.
Bravo, Gore Vidal! You are truly an inspiration. And I am a huge fan.
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Posted by: mstenger on Jun 14, 2005 10:58 AM
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Posted by: squirrel on Jun 14, 2005 11:24 AM
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They WON this battle. The factories remain closed.
Too bad there aren't enough people in our country willing to buck the system. Less "bitchin'" more activism is needed.
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Posted by: evilhobz on Jun 14, 2005 6:49 PM
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Does anyone know the deinition of ironic as it seems to be missing from this world at the moment...
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Posted by: crz53 on Jun 14, 2005 8:12 PM
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The fact of the matter is our "representative government" no longer represents the people of this country. Recent elections and the arrogance of the Bush administration have brought to light the sorry state of American democracy, but rest assured, Bush & Co did not single handedly corrupt an otherwise perfect government. Rather, their rise to power and disasterous reign have been made possible by decades of Democrat and Republican misrule - along with a healthy dose of public apathy. George W Bush is simply a product of that awful legacy; he is the personification of everything that was already wrong with our political/economic system.
So what will happen when the people of America realize that our political and economic problems are systemic, and as such can never be truly "fixed" by any amount of tinkering and adjusting within those systems? Are the majority of the people in this country even capable of recognizing the true nature of our problems? If we do, I think it's a safe bet that the powers that be won't go down without a fight. If it comes to that, I hope to God that I'm there to be a part of it.
- Mike Lorenz
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Posted by: Smiggsy on Jun 15, 2005 11:33 AM
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Given the current administration I am not surprised electronic voting systems have been allowed to be used and then somewhat become corrupted. Of course it was planned - the same as how casinos operate to ensure a favourable result in gambling.
Wake up simpletons of the USA - this apathetic behaviour just invites corruption to occur on both sides of the political fence. Computers are so easy to manipulate & blatently open to error. Ballot fixing is almost always guaranteed. Its pathetic that the idea of using such methods have ever been accepted by a so called bastion of democracy.
Election participation should be made compulsory just like a drivers license. Everybody would take an interest & care about the value of their vote. Where I come from (not the US) voting is compulsory & anonymous for all adult citizens or you get fined - like driving a car. If you you don't want to cast a vote, you don't have to, but you still have to turn up at the polling booth to collect your ballot. So most people end up using their ballot to vote anyhow. Donkey voting (not using your vote) is severely ridiculed if you freely admit to it. Normally this returns 96% validated votes by the national adult population ON PAPER using a single national uniform system. How simple is that....
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This also connects directly to Omaha-based Peter Kiewit Foundation and corporation, the Omaha World-Herald, and Union Pacific Railroad and its subsidiary Union Pacific Resources. These are branches of the Harriman family's financial investments controlled by Brown Brothers Harriman investment bank. Both Dick and Lynne Cheney were hirelings of that network through their employment by the boards of Union Pacific Resources and Halliburton (which bought out the debts of Dresser Industries--owned by Brown Brothers Harriman).
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