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And it's working. Just three weeks ago, the Rev. Donald Wildmon's American Family Association (AFA) announced it was ending its boycott of corporate giant Procter & Gamble -- maker of household staples like Tide and Crest -- for being pro-gay. Why? Because the AFA's boycott (which the organization says enlisted 400,000 families) had succeeded in getting P&G to pull its millions of dollars in advertising from TV shows like "Will & Grace" and "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy."
P&G also ended its advertising in gay magazines and on gay Web sites. And a P&G executive who had been given a leave of absence to work on a successful Cincinnati, Ohio, referendum that repealed a ban on any measures protecting gays from discrimination was shown the door.
"We cannot say they are 100 percent clean, and we ask our supporters to let us know if they discover P&G again being involved in pushing the homosexual lifestyle," growls the AFA's statement of victory over the corporate behemoth, "but judging by all that we found in our research, it appears that our concerns have been addressed." The Wall Street Journal reported on May 11 that "P&G officials won't talk publicly about the boycott. But privately, they acknowledge the [Christer] groups turned out to be larger, better funded, better organized, and more sophisticated than the company had imagined."
But the P&G cave-in to the Christian right is only the tip of the iceberg. In just the past year and a half, AFA protests and boycotts -- or even the simple threat of boycotts -- have been enough to make a host of American companies pull their ads from TV shows the Christian right considers pro-gay or salacious. "Desperate Housewives" has lost ads from Safeway, Tyson Foods, Liberty Mutual, Kohl's, Alberto Culver, Leapfrog and Lowe's after the AFA's One Million Dads campaign targeted the show's sponsors. "Life as We Know It" got the same AFA treatment -- and lost ads from McCormick, Lenscrafters, Radio Shack, Papa John's International, Chattem and Sharpie.
And it's not just programs on the broadcast networks and their local affiliates that are feeling the heat from the Christian right. When the AFA targeted Comedy Central's "South Park," the popular cartoon satire saw ads on the show pulled by Foot Locker, Geico, Finish Line and Best Buy.
Nissan, Goodyear and Castrol stopped running ads on "The Shield" after AFA complaints. Sonic Drive-In pulled its ad support from "The Shield" after a single email request from AFA's Rev. Wildmon. S.C. Johnson and Hasbro ordered their ads taken off "He's a Lady" when it got the AFA treatment. And the list goes on ..... Call it a new, 11th Commandment: "Thou shalt not advertise" if the religious primitives smell sin.
Just two weeks ago, the AFA undertook a new letter-writing campaign aimed at Kraft Foods (makers of Oreo cookies, Maxwell House coffee, Ritz Crackers and the like) for supporting the "radical homosexual agenda."
Kraft's crime? It's a corporate sponsor of the 2006 Gay Games in Chicago. Founded in 1980 by Dr. Tom Waddell -- a 1968 Olympic decathlete -- these Gay Games VII will bring gay athletes from all over the world to the Windy City for a complete catalog of Olympic-style competitions. The honorary chairman of the Chicago Gay Games? The city's mayor, Richard Daley, who declared that he is "committed to the success of the 2006 Gay Games because it is an expression of international goodwill and a celebration of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities, which are important to Chicago."
But, following the AFA's lead, another conservative Christian group -- the Illinois Family Institute (IFI) -- has asked its members to take on Kraft and five other Illinois companies that are sponsoring what it calls the "Homosexuality Games." Proclaimed the IFI: "By allowing their corporate logos to be used to promote the 'Gay Games,' Kraft, Harris Bank and other sponsoring companies are celebrating wrong and destructive behaviors, and showing their disdain for the majority of Americans who favor traditional morality and marriage."
Here's a nice touch: The IFI's Web site features a statue of Abraham Lincoln, who some historians now credibly say was gay or bisexual. Will Kraft stand up to the pressure? The company's answer to this protest campaign is, for the moment, yes -- but for how long?
All across the country, the Christian right and its allies in the culture wars are mobilizing -- sometimes spurred on from the top by the AFA, Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council and similar national groups, but with increasing frequency local pressure campaigns and boycott threats are self-starters. They target everything from local broadcast outlets and local cable operators to libraries, bookstores, playhouses, cinemas and magazine outlets.
"The Christian right is incredibly mobilized," says Joan Bertin, executive director of the National Coalition Against Censorship, a 30-year-old alliance of 50 nonprofit groups. Bertin says, "There's been an explosion of local book and arts censorship -- a lot of activity by an emboldened grassroots, who think they won the last election on moral grounds. They barely need to threaten a boycott to get those they target to back down -- hey, nobody had to threaten to boycott PBS to get them to back off Postcards From Buster." Bertin affirms that "This new threat from below as well as above has already achieved a widespread chill" on creative and entertainment arts throughout the country.
A good example of successful up-from-below pressure in making corporate America bend the knee to the Christian right: the Microsoft Corp. Earlier this year, under pressure from a local protest led by Ken Hutcherson -- a conservative National Football League linebacker turned preacher -- Microsoft made a decision to stay neutral in the fight over legislation in Washington's state Legislature banning discrimination in employment against same-sexers, although many other companies headquartered in the state took positions in favor of the bill. But after an avalanche of counterprotests to Microsoft about their cave-in to Hutcherson, from their own employees (many of whom are gay), gay groups and the blogosphere, Microsoft reversed itself and supported the anti-discrimination bill. Too late: Two weeks earlier, the bill had been defeated by just one vote in the state Senate. Now, Microsoft is being targeted by a new, national conservative Christian protest campaign for having flip-flopped again.
Martin Kaplan, director of the Norman Lear Center at the Annenberg School of Communication at USC, calls the new offensive a drive toward "theocratic oligopoly. The drumbeat of religious fascism has never been as troubling as it is now in this country," adding that "e-mails to the FCC are more worrisome to me than boycotts" in terms of their chilling effect.
Even The New York Times is feeling the chill. At the beginning of May, an internal committee of 19 Times editors and reporters, who'd been asked how to improve the paper's "credibility" with a wider swath of America, came up with a key recommendation: Deliberalize the paper's news columns, especially through more coverage on religion from a sympathetic point of view.
The committee's report, "Preserving Our Readers' Trust," added that "the overall tone of our coverage of gay marriage, as one example, approaches cheerleading. By consistently framing the issue as a civil rights matter -- gays fighting for the right to be treated like everyone else -- we failed to convey how disturbing the issue is in many corners of American social, cultural, and religious life."
Oh, "disturbing" to whom? Why, to the Christian right, of course -- whose email complaint campaigns against the Times are legion: It's the paper the fundamentalists love to hate. So why is the Times -- one of the few newspapers in the latest available study of circulation released earlier this year to significantly increase circulation rather than lose it -- feeling the need to kowtow to the religious opponents of gay marriage? The paper's willingness to do so is about as frightening a testimony to creeping theocracy as one could imagine.
Is the new conservative Christian anti-gay and anti-sex crusade a back-to-the-future nightmare? Remember your history: In the 1950s, the anti-Communist owners of a small chain of supermarkets in upstate New York started threatening the TV and radio networks with boycotts of sponsors' products if they employed any persons listed as supposed Communists or lefties, in a sloppily researched little pamphlet called "Red Channels."
It didn't take long for this small protest to instill fear throughout the broadcast industry, and the result was the Blacklist, a witch-hunt that lasted for years -- even after John Henry Faulk, the blacklisted star CBS-radio host and actor, won his landmark $3.5 million libel suit in 1962 against the blackmailers of AWARE Inc., which -- for a suitable fee -- offered "clearance" services to major media advertisers and radio and television networks, investigating the backgrounds of entertainers for signs of Communist sympathy or affiliation. But Faulk didn't work in national broadcasting for another 13 years, until he landed a spot on the TV series Hee-Haw in 1975. It took that long to end a quarter-century reign of terror in the entertainment industry, 18 years after Senator Joe McCarthy was dead and buried.
Today's Christian right protests are targeting a different kind of subversion. Chip Berlet, senior analyst at the labor-funded Political Research Associates, has spent over 25 years studying the far right and theocratic fundamentalism. He is co-author of "Right-Wing Populism in America: Too Close for Comfort."
Berlet -- who was one of the speakers at a conference last month co-sponsored by the N.Y. Open Center and the City University of New York Graduate Center on "Examining the Real Agenda of the Christian Right" -- says that "What's motivating these people is two things. First, an incredible dread, completely irrational, of a hodgepodge of sexual subversion and social chaos. The response to that fear is genuinely a grassroots response, and it's motivated by fundamentalist Christian doctrines like Triumphalism and Dominionism, which order Christians to take over the secular state and secular institutions. The Christian right frames itself as an oppressed minority battling the secular-humanist liberal homofeminist hordes."
The key to those doctrines is what fundamentalist religious primitives call the Great Commission, which is basically an injunction to convert everyone to Christianity. In the Bible (Matthew 28:19-20), it says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you . . ." The fundamentalist interpretations of these and other texts can be found on evangelical Web sites like Thegreatcommission.com, Transferableconcepts.com and Gospelcom.net. They have incredible motivating power for the religious right, and help explain the vehemence of the Christian right's intolerance of the freedom of others to think or act differently.
Says Berlet, "The re-election of Bush was a sort of tipping point for these people, who take it as a mandate from God -- they see that the leadership of America is within their grasp, and when you get closer to your goal, it's very energizing. It reaches a critical mass, in which the evangelicals feel they have permission to push their way into public and cultural policy in every walk and expression of life."
All that, says Berlet, is what is motivating the skein of conservative Christian boycotts, protest campaigns and censorship drives bubbling from the bottom up -- which get added emotional and pressure power from the fund-raising-driven crusades launched by political Christian right organizations like AFA at the national level. The confluence of from-above and from-below is a powerful mix.
There's one big problem: Nobody at the national level is tracking these censorship and pressure campaigns in a systematic way, to quantify them or assess their impact, so that strategies to defeat them can be developed.
"People for the American Way used to track this stuff, but they stopped doing so systematically in 1996. We at Political Research Associates would love to do it," says Berlet, "but we don't have the resources. Groups like the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute or Americans United for Separation of Church and State could easily do this sort of work. But none of us has the money to do it, because nobody wants to give it. There used to be three major journalists writing about this stuff -- Sara Diamond, Russ Belant and Fred Clarkson. But none of them could make a living doing it, and they've all dropped out of the game."
Unless Hollywood, and the entertainment and broadcast industries, all want to live through an epoch of increasing content blackmail and blacklists, the wealthy folks who make a lot of money from those industries better wake up and start funding intensive and systematic research on the Christian right and its censorship crusades against sexual subversion and sin in the creative arts -- or soon it will be too late, and the "theocratic oligopoly" of which Martin Kaplan speaks will be so firmly established it cannot be dislodged.
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Join and contribute to every org. that promotes the freedom and liberty for all. Every person has dignity and worth and it is only liberal freethinkers that will honor this truth.
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Polemics are fun to write; I know, I've written a few myself. Whether they make good politics is another question. Doug Ireland perpetuates the image of the "religious right" as a rampaging monolith -- sort of like the Beast, or an Antichrist, eh? He appeals to the kneejerkiness of the left, which will then provoke further kneejerkiness on the right. How exactly does this promote the communication that might eventually undermine the us/them mentality which ultimately benefits no one but the economic interests that are running the country? The link between populism and the "right" isn't new in the U.S. of A. (A couple of elections back, the hardest-hitting critiques of capitalism that I heard were delivered by -- ta-dah! -- Pat Robertson.) Why not explore the connections and develop an analysis and an agenda that appeals to the grass-roots populism without encouraging the lazy xenophobia that often accompanies it?
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And Then They Came for Me
With apologies to Martin Niemoller.
First they came for the trade unions, and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist -- Since the 1950s, trade union ranks have shrunk by two-thirds and they are targeted for extinction
And then they came for the gays and lesbians and I did not speak out, because I was not a gay man -- The religious right is waging a fervent war on gay rights and gay people with the intent of making them extinct.
Then they came for the lawyers, and I did not speak out -- because I was not a lawyer. -- The rightwing views plaintiff's attorneys as "the Devil's spawn," and lawsuits against corporations, jury awards, and bankruptcies are targeted for extinction.
Then they came for the judges, and I did not speak out, because I was not a judge -- Responsible judges and independent courts are anathema to the right and are targets for extinction.
Then they came for the Congress, and I did not speak out, because I did not vote -- A free and independent Congress has been buried in a mountain of money and corruption, and is already close to extinction.
Then they came for the media, and I did not speak out, because I don't read much -- A free, independent, questioning press is bought and paid for. Extinct.
And then they came for me, and I didn't notice because I was watching reality TV and eating a Big Mac.
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We need to address the issue to Corporate America and ask them what kind of a business climate would they like? Do they want a business climate that is censored by the religious moral interpretations of a few? Or a business climate that is not run like the Iranian Mullahs a business climate where men and women, not God, elect presidents. Does corporate America want to conduct business without having to get permission from a few fundamentalists? If corporate America does not have the courage to stand up to a few bigots then at least they should not support candidates who embrace such an anti business climate they should support candidates that encourage secular business policies. Support progressives. Let men run the country as our forefathers took such pains to ensure.
George Bush has created a monster that not even he saw coming. Time for a change. You will never change the mind of those who are going after the corporations but we can change the government. Lets get started.
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A very dangerous move by the "Great Ones" indeed, justified by none other than greedy materialistic morals. All of Gods creatures deserve to be treated with respect and fairly.
It would be a better idea to boycott those who simply can’t respect others right to individualism, because then it would be justified. If you find others offensive avoid them… if others find you offensive they will avoid you! People who claim superiority, just show inner inferiority. I am not gay nor do I enjoy looking at those who are, what right would I have to do anything about it anyways?
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As I've said repeatedly, the radical right has declared war against progressives and the rest of America, and there is no choice but to fight back. And, whether the left likes it or not, gays issues are at the epicenter of the fight. Forget the nonsense about rejecting the "us vs. them" mentality. That talk comes mainly from people who don't seriously care about what's going on and don't feel any real threats to their own well-being.
One reason why the theocrats are so successful is that they don't have a passionate opposition. Liberals who fought for civil rights for blacks were passionate, and they were supported by many churches and temples. Now, when it's gays and gay youths who are scapegoated and attacked, when gays are being declared second-class citizens through inane laws and constitutional amendments, where is the fervor on the left? Where are most of the churches? Where are the mass marches and boycotts? The theocrats are using anti-gay bigotry to attack everthing progressives believe in and to destroy every kind of progress achieved over the years. Yet most of the left sits back and talks about everything but one of the most cutting edge issues of our times: gay rights.
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Isn't the unrestrained, anything-for-a-buck, brand of capitalism embraced by the Republican Party a major cause of the subversion of traditional values cherished by social conservatives?
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Posted by: Meremark on Jun 13, 2005 1:21 PM
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Someone asked who sponsors AFA?, to get names s/he would "gladly boycott." Well look in a mirror. The entire evangelical locust plague has been built with Cable TV cash from subscribers. Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, et al, get a share of each subscriber's monthly Cable TV payment, WHETHER OR NOT anybody WATCHED! Advertising is Cable TV's minor funding, like 'charity donations' is televangelists minor funding -- BOYCOTT Cable TV, (only takes about 500,000 of us), and the Kristian Koalition Kult and most of brain-programming Talk Radio would dry up and be bankrupt in about a month.
History lesson for the young (under 35): Voters long were 40-to-55 Republicans-to-Democrats, (5% other), and religious devouts were apolitical non-voters, (too pius for the 'affairs of man'). Then Roe v. Wade happened, 1974. Fifteen new-voter percentage points then registered to vote for their One Single-Issue, (pumped by newly invented Cable TV, 1975). First they approached Dem's who ran them off, then they aligned with GOPers who were desperate. That's how & when the GOP became a Big Tent of Evil Elephants, both 'social' AND 'fiscal' conservatives. With 115 voters where US history had had 100 voters, it went 55-to-55 R's-to-D's, (and 5% still wacko).
BOYCOTT Cable TV, then televangelism goes broke, then anti-abortionists grow old and die.
(P.S. CLEAN SWEEP Congress, '06. Elect 435 rookies together on a slate to IMPEACH. Once they feel their power to imprison Executives and Justices, then stopping military and spy tax-waste is a cake walk.)
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Posted by: Violetflame11 on Jun 13, 2005 2:29 PM
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There are no cows to tip in the desert. I doubt that camels would tip so easily. No neat rows of corn to hide in either. Maybe Darwin was full of crap afterall. Good for Kansas.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jun 13, 2005 2:41 PM
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Such things as exporting jobs to countries that allow starvation wages and disregard for the environment, legal practices that are questionable, evading government oversight, etc. This would be a worthwhile boycott.
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Posted by: Lava on Jun 13, 2005 6:26 PM
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Gay issuses--though I agree with another poster that America's economic status is a problem that will affect the country as a whole more dramatically--are simply an extension of civil rights; actually of human rights. Progressives SHOULD frame these issues as such and draw parallels with the great civil rights battles of the 20th century, and finally, concentrate on the the point that being gay is simply and incontrovertibly a part of the human sexual construct.
Yes, the Christian right is emboldened by the current political climate: it is regrettable, although in-character, that a HUGE corporation should be cowed by a mere 400 000 families. The fundamental issue though is that America is a very religious country and even those who aren't religious are irrationaly uncomfortable with gay people--an irrationality that crosses political, social, cultural, and economic lines.
The Bill of Rights "guarantees" equality and justice for all. The country is founded on the principles of separation of Church and State--a line which is being constantly blurred by a well-organized minority. The reason there is no rallying call from the majority, is that there is NO majority in terms of gay civil rights . Most people will say; "i have no problem with gay people--there is a gay guy in my office" but most of these declarations are a matter of political correctness not an expression of true equality.
After all, decades after black rights were finally settled, racism continues in America and many people still don't truly believe blacks and whites to be equal. Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is just another wedge that shows how primitive we still are.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 13, 2005 11:35 PM
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My guess is that some lesser products are being offered bargain basement advertising rates on successful programs. But probably only for a short term.
My suspicion is that P&G knows that they only have to make it look as though the blue noses have succeeded. Do you remember the boycott of Disney? I don't hear much about it anymore...except from those who need a devil to fight.
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Posted by: Riverside on Jun 14, 2005 9:21 AM
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I suspect if we could eavesdrop on a conversation between God and Allah (in other words when he is talking to himself) we would here more alarm and sadness than even we can envision.
It seems our own Senators and Congressmen are beginning to quiver too. This is where we need to apply the squeeze in two ways. Scare them more with the same facts, and also let them know we appreciate everything they do that tries to restore America and hopefully a sane world.
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Posted by: aging_grunge_boy on Jun 14, 2005 9:56 AM
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I think that most intelligent people are potential Progressives, but the lack of meaning and drama in these substantive issues does not reach people on the same gut level that GOD, WAR, TERRORISM, FEAR, TAXES, etc. does.
When tens of thousands of good kids, many against their will, were dying in vietnam, a liberal voice became a necessary battle cry. When this aesthetic of the mind became outspoken, so did many other social justice struggles. Art, especially music, was at the forefront as a collective voice for an entire movement-----not just an issue.
These things are all inter-related. I agree with the comment posted earlier that "Gay Rights ARE Civil Rights"
Unfortunately there is no huge glaringly obvious and deafening call to arms, so to speak, for the progressives. Corporate America will listen when the People care first. Marketing is so sophisticated that it will pick up on the trend instantly.
The money follows the will of the corporations, and the corporations follow whatever their power base mandates.
People are just too darn selfish right now. They have removed thier own voices. It's like "I'm not gay, so who cares?"
I really don't think things will change until the AVERAGE AMERICAN sees the tangible results of thier complacency.
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Posted by: jgfassett on Jun 14, 2005 10:25 AM
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now, everybody read gore vidal in THE NATION today
and tell me you are not a secular humanist liberal horde,too!
also, since i now know the enemy is the theo-oligopolist?, can we now use BUY BLUE and boycott all enemy corporations and organizations again/more? i still do not buy welch's grape jelly or candybars and did not buy lettuce for years. i'm ready! anyone else ready? how do i find out?! (alternet,please advise;thankyou!)
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Posted by: Dscentr on Jul 18, 2005 1:36 PM
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This is America. If a person feels killing cows is wrong, they can complain alone or in a group. I'm a Christian. I knew about most groups mentioned in the article. In some cases I agreed and in others I didn't. I still bought what I wanted to buy and think you'll find that this is true of most Christians. Further, we have the freedom to think as a group.
"United we stand, divided we fall", this used to be an American ideal. Now liberals who, I suspect of being nothing more than money mongers, promoting new aged "tolerance" to broaden the market for the sake of profit. All I see from these get-rid-of-God liberals is promises, promises, promises. At least when conservatives or the Christian right says "We're not giving you anything" they follow through. If I were the leader of a large group, do you think that I should use my power to put pressure on companies that support T.V. shows that feature rap videos that make black sisters and mothers look like welfare "hoes" and make like all black men out to be criminals (this turns my stomach)? As an American, I can apply pressure on public companies, and try to convince who'll ever listen, for any reason. Ex: I believe that racism is killing this country. I can speak out and those who will listen will listen (the right to free speech - remember that one).
I own that I don't agree with the gay lifestyle and I don't like it pushed on my children. I respect gays and lesbians as people. I have faith that they don't need us as much as liberals let on. I have a close friend who's a gay rights activist. He said that "If gays started watching television all of the time, they'd be nothing but wierd heterosexuals sitting around with their hand in their pants." He's explained that he respects the fact that I'm a Christian, many homosexuals, he says, don't want to get married in our churches and he thinks television shows portray homosexuals as "fags" and are therefore unrealistic (just like rap videos portray black men). In America there are lots of different people and they have the right to think and do what they want.
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Why? Was it to manipulate these companies or to establish some sort of power over them? No, it was simply to express to them that I could not, with a clear conscience, purchase products from them, when I knew that a portion of the profits would be contributed to publicity or a campaign that promotes sin. Can I call myself a Christian when Christ says, "Go and sin no more", and I say, "here's some money to put up a billboard that says, 'Sin all you like!'"? They have the freedom to advertise or donate where they wish, but that doesn't mean that I have to contribute to it.
Have any of you ever listened to a broadcast from Focus on the Family (one of the major scape-goats for the fear-mongering crowd)? I'd challenge you to search for a radio broadcast at www.family.org and see for yourself if you think you have anything to fear from them!
In regards to homosexual rights: Our society has government-imposed consequences for some sins and not for others. For example, we may fine or imprison people for speeding, driving drunk or stealing, but there is no law against the sins of being rude to someone, over-eating or cheating on your spouse. I believe that homosexual behavior should fall under the category of a sinful behavior that should not be punishable by society's law, because it has to do with personal, private relationships. This behavior, as long as it is kept fairly private and is consentual, shoud not be harmful to the greater society, accept for in the cost of STDs. People should have the freedom to figure out what path is best for them. However to claim marriage as a "gay's right" is inappropriate. Do we want our government to encourage other sins, like over-eating or unfaithfulness? Likewise, we do not want our government to encourage homosexual behavior, let alone sanction it with a license. Two men or two women do not a "marriage" make. You can't make chocolate milk with two parts of milk and no chocolate or two parts of chocolate and no milk. "Marriage" is the unity of one man and one woman. That is what it is.
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Posted by: pappy1 on Jun 13, 2005 4:39 AM
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Join and contribute to every org. that promotes the freedom and liberty for all. Every person has dignity and worth and it is only liberal freethinkers that will honor this truth.
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Posted by: hagwind on Jun 13, 2005 5:15 AM
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Polemics are fun to write; I know, I've written a few myself. Whether they make good politics is another question. Doug Ireland perpetuates the image of the "religious right" as a rampaging monolith -- sort of like the Beast, or an Antichrist, eh? He appeals to the kneejerkiness of the left, which will then provoke further kneejerkiness on the right. How exactly does this promote the communication that might eventually undermine the us/them mentality which ultimately benefits no one but the economic interests that are running the country? The link between populism and the "right" isn't new in the U.S. of A. (A couple of elections back, the hardest-hitting critiques of capitalism that I heard were delivered by -- ta-dah! -- Pat Robertson.) Why not explore the connections and develop an analysis and an agenda that appeals to the grass-roots populism without encouraging the lazy xenophobia that often accompanies it?
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And Then They Came for Me
With apologies to Martin Niemoller.
First they came for the trade unions, and I did not speak out, because I was not a trade unionist -- Since the 1950s, trade union ranks have shrunk by two-thirds and they are targeted for extinction
And then they came for the gays and lesbians and I did not speak out, because I was not a gay man -- The religious right is waging a fervent war on gay rights and gay people with the intent of making them extinct.
Then they came for the lawyers, and I did not speak out -- because I was not a lawyer. -- The rightwing views plaintiff's attorneys as "the Devil's spawn," and lawsuits against corporations, jury awards, and bankruptcies are targeted for extinction.
Then they came for the judges, and I did not speak out, because I was not a judge -- Responsible judges and independent courts are anathema to the right and are targets for extinction.
Then they came for the Congress, and I did not speak out, because I did not vote -- A free and independent Congress has been buried in a mountain of money and corruption, and is already close to extinction.
Then they came for the media, and I did not speak out, because I don't read much -- A free, independent, questioning press is bought and paid for. Extinct.
And then they came for me, and I didn't notice because I was watching reality TV and eating a Big Mac.
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Posted by: rggilbert on Jun 13, 2005 5:32 AM
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We need to address the issue to Corporate America and ask them what kind of a business climate would they like? Do they want a business climate that is censored by the religious moral interpretations of a few? Or a business climate that is not run like the Iranian Mullahs a business climate where men and women, not God, elect presidents. Does corporate America want to conduct business without having to get permission from a few fundamentalists? If corporate America does not have the courage to stand up to a few bigots then at least they should not support candidates who embrace such an anti business climate they should support candidates that encourage secular business policies. Support progressives. Let men run the country as our forefathers took such pains to ensure.
George Bush has created a monster that not even he saw coming. Time for a change. You will never change the mind of those who are going after the corporations but we can change the government. Lets get started.
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A very dangerous move by the "Great Ones" indeed, justified by none other than greedy materialistic morals. All of Gods creatures deserve to be treated with respect and fairly.
It would be a better idea to boycott those who simply can’t respect others right to individualism, because then it would be justified. If you find others offensive avoid them… if others find you offensive they will avoid you! People who claim superiority, just show inner inferiority. I am not gay nor do I enjoy looking at those who are, what right would I have to do anything about it anyways?
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Posted by: thirdmg on Jun 13, 2005 8:14 AM
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As I've said repeatedly, the radical right has declared war against progressives and the rest of America, and there is no choice but to fight back. And, whether the left likes it or not, gays issues are at the epicenter of the fight. Forget the nonsense about rejecting the "us vs. them" mentality. That talk comes mainly from people who don't seriously care about what's going on and don't feel any real threats to their own well-being.
One reason why the theocrats are so successful is that they don't have a passionate opposition. Liberals who fought for civil rights for blacks were passionate, and they were supported by many churches and temples. Now, when it's gays and gay youths who are scapegoated and attacked, when gays are being declared second-class citizens through inane laws and constitutional amendments, where is the fervor on the left? Where are most of the churches? Where are the mass marches and boycotts? The theocrats are using anti-gay bigotry to attack everthing progressives believe in and to destroy every kind of progress achieved over the years. Yet most of the left sits back and talks about everything but one of the most cutting edge issues of our times: gay rights.
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Isn't the unrestrained, anything-for-a-buck, brand of capitalism embraced by the Republican Party a major cause of the subversion of traditional values cherished by social conservatives?
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Posted by: Meremark on Jun 13, 2005 1:21 PM
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Someone asked who sponsors AFA?, to get names s/he would "gladly boycott." Well look in a mirror. The entire evangelical locust plague has been built with Cable TV cash from subscribers. Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, et al, get a share of each subscriber's monthly Cable TV payment, WHETHER OR NOT anybody WATCHED! Advertising is Cable TV's minor funding, like 'charity donations' is televangelists minor funding -- BOYCOTT Cable TV, (only takes about 500,000 of us), and the Kristian Koalition Kult and most of brain-programming Talk Radio would dry up and be bankrupt in about a month.
History lesson for the young (under 35): Voters long were 40-to-55 Republicans-to-Democrats, (5% other), and religious devouts were apolitical non-voters, (too pius for the 'affairs of man'). Then Roe v. Wade happened, 1974. Fifteen new-voter percentage points then registered to vote for their One Single-Issue, (pumped by newly invented Cable TV, 1975). First they approached Dem's who ran them off, then they aligned with GOPers who were desperate. That's how & when the GOP became a Big Tent of Evil Elephants, both 'social' AND 'fiscal' conservatives. With 115 voters where US history had had 100 voters, it went 55-to-55 R's-to-D's, (and 5% still wacko).
BOYCOTT Cable TV, then televangelism goes broke, then anti-abortionists grow old and die.
(P.S. CLEAN SWEEP Congress, '06. Elect 435 rookies together on a slate to IMPEACH. Once they feel their power to imprison Executives and Justices, then stopping military and spy tax-waste is a cake walk.)
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Posted by: Violetflame11 on Jun 13, 2005 2:29 PM
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There are no cows to tip in the desert. I doubt that camels would tip so easily. No neat rows of corn to hide in either. Maybe Darwin was full of crap afterall. Good for Kansas.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jun 13, 2005 2:41 PM
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Such things as exporting jobs to countries that allow starvation wages and disregard for the environment, legal practices that are questionable, evading government oversight, etc. This would be a worthwhile boycott.
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Posted by: Lava on Jun 13, 2005 6:26 PM
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Gay issuses--though I agree with another poster that America's economic status is a problem that will affect the country as a whole more dramatically--are simply an extension of civil rights; actually of human rights. Progressives SHOULD frame these issues as such and draw parallels with the great civil rights battles of the 20th century, and finally, concentrate on the the point that being gay is simply and incontrovertibly a part of the human sexual construct.
Yes, the Christian right is emboldened by the current political climate: it is regrettable, although in-character, that a HUGE corporation should be cowed by a mere 400 000 families. The fundamental issue though is that America is a very religious country and even those who aren't religious are irrationaly uncomfortable with gay people--an irrationality that crosses political, social, cultural, and economic lines.
The Bill of Rights "guarantees" equality and justice for all. The country is founded on the principles of separation of Church and State--a line which is being constantly blurred by a well-organized minority. The reason there is no rallying call from the majority, is that there is NO majority in terms of gay civil rights . Most people will say; "i have no problem with gay people--there is a gay guy in my office" but most of these declarations are a matter of political correctness not an expression of true equality.
After all, decades after black rights were finally settled, racism continues in America and many people still don't truly believe blacks and whites to be equal. Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is just another wedge that shows how primitive we still are.
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My guess is that some lesser products are being offered bargain basement advertising rates on successful programs. But probably only for a short term.
My suspicion is that P&G knows that they only have to make it look as though the blue noses have succeeded. Do you remember the boycott of Disney? I don't hear much about it anymore...except from those who need a devil to fight.
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Posted by: Riverside on Jun 14, 2005 9:21 AM
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I suspect if we could eavesdrop on a conversation between God and Allah (in other words when he is talking to himself) we would here more alarm and sadness than even we can envision.
It seems our own Senators and Congressmen are beginning to quiver too. This is where we need to apply the squeeze in two ways. Scare them more with the same facts, and also let them know we appreciate everything they do that tries to restore America and hopefully a sane world.
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Posted by: aging_grunge_boy on Jun 14, 2005 9:56 AM
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I think that most intelligent people are potential Progressives, but the lack of meaning and drama in these substantive issues does not reach people on the same gut level that GOD, WAR, TERRORISM, FEAR, TAXES, etc. does.
When tens of thousands of good kids, many against their will, were dying in vietnam, a liberal voice became a necessary battle cry. When this aesthetic of the mind became outspoken, so did many other social justice struggles. Art, especially music, was at the forefront as a collective voice for an entire movement-----not just an issue.
These things are all inter-related. I agree with the comment posted earlier that "Gay Rights ARE Civil Rights"
Unfortunately there is no huge glaringly obvious and deafening call to arms, so to speak, for the progressives. Corporate America will listen when the People care first. Marketing is so sophisticated that it will pick up on the trend instantly.
The money follows the will of the corporations, and the corporations follow whatever their power base mandates.
People are just too darn selfish right now. They have removed thier own voices. It's like "I'm not gay, so who cares?"
I really don't think things will change until the AVERAGE AMERICAN sees the tangible results of thier complacency.
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Posted by: jgfassett on Jun 14, 2005 10:25 AM
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now, everybody read gore vidal in THE NATION today
and tell me you are not a secular humanist liberal horde,too!
also, since i now know the enemy is the theo-oligopolist?, can we now use BUY BLUE and boycott all enemy corporations and organizations again/more? i still do not buy welch's grape jelly or candybars and did not buy lettuce for years. i'm ready! anyone else ready? how do i find out?! (alternet,please advise;thankyou!)
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This is America. If a person feels killing cows is wrong, they can complain alone or in a group. I'm a Christian. I knew about most groups mentioned in the article. In some cases I agreed and in others I didn't. I still bought what I wanted to buy and think you'll find that this is true of most Christians. Further, we have the freedom to think as a group.
"United we stand, divided we fall", this used to be an American ideal. Now liberals who, I suspect of being nothing more than money mongers, promoting new aged "tolerance" to broaden the market for the sake of profit. All I see from these get-rid-of-God liberals is promises, promises, promises. At least when conservatives or the Christian right says "We're not giving you anything" they follow through. If I were the leader of a large group, do you think that I should use my power to put pressure on companies that support T.V. shows that feature rap videos that make black sisters and mothers look like welfare "hoes" and make like all black men out to be criminals (this turns my stomach)? As an American, I can apply pressure on public companies, and try to convince who'll ever listen, for any reason. Ex: I believe that racism is killing this country. I can speak out and those who will listen will listen (the right to free speech - remember that one).
I own that I don't agree with the gay lifestyle and I don't like it pushed on my children. I respect gays and lesbians as people. I have faith that they don't need us as much as liberals let on. I have a close friend who's a gay rights activist. He said that "If gays started watching television all of the time, they'd be nothing but wierd heterosexuals sitting around with their hand in their pants." He's explained that he respects the fact that I'm a Christian, many homosexuals, he says, don't want to get married in our churches and he thinks television shows portray homosexuals as "fags" and are therefore unrealistic (just like rap videos portray black men). In America there are lots of different people and they have the right to think and do what they want.
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Why? Was it to manipulate these companies or to establish some sort of power over them? No, it was simply to express to them that I could not, with a clear conscience, purchase products from them, when I knew that a portion of the profits would be contributed to publicity or a campaign that promotes sin. Can I call myself a Christian when Christ says, "Go and sin no more", and I say, "here's some money to put up a billboard that says, 'Sin all you like!'"? They have the freedom to advertise or donate where they wish, but that doesn't mean that I have to contribute to it.
Have any of you ever listened to a broadcast from Focus on the Family (one of the major scape-goats for the fear-mongering crowd)? I'd challenge you to search for a radio broadcast at www.family.org and see for yourself if you think you have anything to fear from them!
In regards to homosexual rights: Our society has government-imposed consequences for some sins and not for others. For example, we may fine or imprison people for speeding, driving drunk or stealing, but there is no law against the sins of being rude to someone, over-eating or cheating on your spouse. I believe that homosexual behavior should fall under the category of a sinful behavior that should not be punishable by society's law, because it has to do with personal, private relationships. This behavior, as long as it is kept fairly private and is consentual, shoud not be harmful to the greater society, accept for in the cost of STDs. People should have the freedom to figure out what path is best for them. However to claim marriage as a "gay's right" is inappropriate. Do we want our government to encourage other sins, like over-eating or unfaithfulness? Likewise, we do not want our government to encourage homosexual behavior, let alone sanction it with a license. Two men or two women do not a "marriage" make. You can't make chocolate milk with two parts of milk and no chocolate or two parts of chocolate and no milk. "Marriage" is the unity of one man and one woman. That is what it is.
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