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Seattle Confidential

By Laura Barcella, AlterNet. Posted June 15, 2005.


Former police chief Norm Stamper opens up about the dark side of American policing, from institutionalized racism to misogyny and homophobia.
Seattle Confidential

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Norm Stamper is poised to become a very unpopular man -- among conservative law enforcement sorts, anyway.

The retired 34-year police veteran is first to admit to -- but not apologize for -- the ways in which he has alienated fellow cops, from his unusually touchy-feely leadership style (focusing on progressive, demilitarized community policing) to advocacy for decriminalizing drugs and prostitution.

And don't forget the whole '99 WTO protests thing. Yep, it's that Norm Stamper -- the former Seattle police chief who oversaw the tear gas-and-handcuffs-happy chaos that ensued after a few thousand peaceful protestors became, well, not so peaceful.

With the publication of his book, Breaking Rank (Nation Books), Stamper is back in the line of fire. In this part-memoir, part-polemic, he decries the state of modern law enforcement and calls for its reform. With sensational chapter titles such as "Why White Cops Kill Black Men" and "Sexual Predators in Uniform," Stamper is clearly unafraid of attracting attention. But he backs up these teasers with thoughtfully weighed opinions and personal anecdotes, many of them reinforced by research.

The author reflects on his own experiences as an officer to illustrate the ways in which America's police force is rotting from the inside out, corrupted by an interior culture of institutionalized racism, misogyny and homophobia. But while effectively ripping the police world apart, Stamper manages to remain honest about his own role in the "boys' club." He confesses to some unsavory, stereotypical-cop behaviors in his early days, from emotionally abusing his wife to knocking perps unconscious. And he's upfront about career regrets (e.g., the WTO debacle, for which he resigned).

Stamper spoke with AlterNet about his ideas for police reform, and the wide-ranging ways it would benefit America, from his home on Orcas Island, Wash.

AlterNet: What kinds of responses to Breaking Rank have you gotten so far?

Norm Stamper: Early reactions have been almost uniformly favorable. I'm afraid to say that, because I don't know what's around the bend. I've had people call and tell me that it brought them to tears in sections; people that know me but didn't know about some of the incidents that transpired [during] my 34-year career. But I also got very positive reactions to the agenda, which is really what I was hoping for.

Your agenda is somewhat controversial.

It's off-the-charts controversial, and in no time, as soon as folks get an opportunity to read it, I'll hear about it.

Have you heard from any fellow cops?

Only indirectly. The chapter entitled "Why White Cops Kill Black Men" produced a response from the president of the Police Guild in Seattle, like, "What the hell is that supposed to mean?" You've just got to read the chapter to get an answer, whether he likes it or not.

I've heard others say, "Oh, this kind of stuff never happened," and all I can do is shake my head at that, because it did happen. It happens far less than it did in 1966 -- the racism, the sexism, the homophobia -- but it's still there, and it's naive, at best, to deny that it exists.

Even those departments [that] have really done measured and effective work over the last three decades to address some of the most intractable issues -- of institutionalized racism and so forth -- you've got to be constantly on alert for signs that our rank and file officers are doing the wrong things, setting bad examples.

When did you start to become politicized regarding the law enforcement field?

Fourteen months into my career. I had made what we commonly refer to as an attitude arrest -- I didn't like the guy, so I arrested him. I wish I could put it in a prettier way, but the fact is that he challenged my authority. He was 19, and I was 22. I stopped him for driving slightly over the speed limit. I really didn't have strong justification to stop him in the first place.

He got out of the car and immediately gave me a ration of shit, and [the] little part inside my brain that was becoming accustomed to this clicked. I [started] trying to find a reason to bust him, and I did. To call it a shaky arrest is to put myself in a charitable light.

What was the reason for the arrest?

I arrested him for being drunk in a public place. Of course, we decriminalized public intoxication absent of other...criminal behavior many years back. But in those days, it was a crime. It was a bailable offense -- if you pay your $29 bail, you don't go to court, and that's the end of it.


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thanks for an important story
Posted by: hagwind on Jun 15, 2005 4:45 AM   
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Thanks for a well-done and important story/interview. There's so much grist here for policymakers, political activists, and anyone fascinated by how the personal and the political intersect. I can't help wondering -- how would Mr. Stampers's career have developed if he hadn't, as a cocky 22-year-old officer who had just made an "attitude arrest," encountered that prosecutor who told him in no uncertain terms that this behavior was intolerable? I hope I can muster as much clarity and courage the next time I see someone I know taking a dangerous turn (which will probably be before the week is out). I look forward to reading the book.

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» RE: thanks for an important story Posted by: Laura Barcella
» :) Posted by: sarah
» :) Posted by: sarah
Maybe Now They Will Believe
Posted by: dlf on Jun 15, 2005 7:18 AM   
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"There has been enormous progress over the years, and it needs to be acknowledged. But we have to accept that ours is a racist society, and that patterns of racism and discrimination affect the institutional as well as the individual. So you may have a cop whose political and social sophistication is advanced, who does not -- at least consciously -- have a racist bone in his or her body, but is still contributing to a pattern of discrimination."

I think this applies to more than police, but I thnk police have authority to kill and that makes them doubly dangerous.

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Don't just 'Tell All!' Run For Office!
Posted by: grj9000 on Jun 15, 2005 7:39 AM   
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'Citizen' Stamper should now put teeth into his 'expose' and run for office on this platform, becoming not just a 'confessor', but also an active force for the change he recommends.

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Authority, guns, fear
Posted by: dancerkc on Jun 15, 2005 8:27 AM   
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I can still remember being shoved up into the top of my car by a motorcycle cop I was asking help from in 1977. He just wanted to do it to me, for nothing, and tell me to get lost. I never forget. There was nothing that much to it in a sense. No injury, no arrest, no ticket.

It was the casual nature (I can do it because I can do it) of this minor brutality on his part which is what remains with me. That small moment was an amusement for him and his fellow officers. Maybe just one of many that day at Royals Stadium directing traffic to the game. It was my first day working at the stadium. I needed to find out where to where I was supposed to park. A small need.

That is all I needed to know. It is what I asked and the cop shoved my head up against the inside of my car door as I leaned out asking guidance. That is when I understood what cops really are. I've not trusted a cop since nor believed them in their arrest accounts, not even those I've know personally as friends. Once they put on their "cop face" they are a different mechanism.

Two quotes jumped me:
1 - "Fear...produces more brutality, inefficiency, misconduct and apathy..."
2 - "Young men who've been given authority - a badge, a gun - and allowed to stop..."

Extend that to our troops in Iraq. I was stopped cold on Riverbend's blog when she described our solders as murdering psychopaths. We have put youngsters with life-and-death authority, massive firepower, total isolation from the community, and incredible fear into a Mad-Max situation. What do we expect.

When I first read her word choice: "psychopath," I first thought it overstated. However, look at it from her side with our Mad-Max soldiers, their robotic sunglasses, huddled in groups, hugging their weapons. They look, to me, more afraid than brave, more dangerous than powerful. Their close-cropped hair cuts which are supposed to make them look uniform and tough just make them look neutered to me.

Could any "raghead" see our troops as anything but psychopathic killers? Should we?

All the symbols our troops use to feel tough make them look frightened and dangerous. And this time, dis-honored as well. Those people will never forget who we are to them.

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» RE: Authority, guns, fear Posted by: hagwind
Fear and Anger plus Public Service is a Dangerous Combination
Posted by: pbr90king on Jun 15, 2005 8:55 AM   
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The new book highlights by the former Chief of Police in Seattle shows how disastrous the consequences can be combined with the authority of license as a policeman in public service. The long history revealed in his book is repetitive in that it confirms what so many have long known and recognized as a problem in our society, regardless of the gender, race, nationality, or ethnicity of the persons, all of whom are subject to discriminatory patterns without relief, and apparently without cure, and most of which stem from outdated attitudes inconsistent with their public service obligations. Multiplied by the thousands throughout the nation, it can be oppressive in its result. While the anger may be rooted in psychology and must be dealt with in that manner, the fear might be alleviated by an increase in familiarity which serves to enlighten and remove the origins of that fear. There is no other cure for fear rooted in ignorance and bias, an important part of the cement that allows discriminatory attitudes to prevail. In fact, familiarity may be the only cure to break through the illogical foundation of the structure upon which it relies to survive. That lesson was derived long ago from integration, and its success. Policing is a difficult enough job for humans without also having to sustain the problems that come from the combination of fear and anger, both of which are absolutely adverse to the patience and understanding required to do effective policing.

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Great Article
Posted by: nakis on Jun 15, 2005 9:50 AM   
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I very much enjoyed reading this article/interview. Mr Stamper's is a credit to our police force. He could have taken the easy way at that crisis moment at 22 yo. It's hard to imagine how many people would have suffered and how many people would not have benefited from Mr. Stamper's dedication and wisdom over the years of his career.

Now back to reality. Several months ago in a nearby city several white cops beat a black man badly. The man is a teacher at a local school there. He was having a minor seizure in his car at a gas station. After not responding to the cop telling him to get out of the car the officer called for backup, broke the window and dragged him out of the car. They claimed he was on drugs and was resisting arrest. He wasn't on drugs and the siezure prevented him from doing most anything. The cops were put on suspension for a couple of days and then reinstated.
Protests ensued. There's a long history of police violence against people of color. And this is in a northern blue state.

I know cops are there to uphold the law and protect but it's hard not to dislike them with their attitude.

Last Saturday I was passing the road to my parents house when I saw a fire engine pull onto their road, then a police car and an small fire responder truck. I stopped concerned for my parents and asked the cop whose house are they responding to. He told me I can't go down that road. I explained my parents live down that road and I explained that I was trying to find out whose house the fire truck was going to. He angrily yelled back at me in a sort of a grunt/why are you bothering me noise. It was hard to make out. I asked him again, to please tell me what address the emergency responders were being sent to. He grunted out just the street name of another street down my parents road.
Nothing dramatic but why couldn't the office just respond to the question when asked. Why did he have to be curt, rude and surely. I'm a middle aged white male driving a sedan. You'd think if he was going to be responsive to anyone a white male 40 year old would be the prime type. And I live in a sleepy little town where nothing much happens. It's not job stress from shaking down too many crack houses. That's for sure.

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wrong beach police
Posted by: sarah on Jun 15, 2005 10:36 AM   
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It's funny how shocked people are sometimes when it is revealed that sometimes police aren't necessarily out to help anyone but themselves. As a person who has lived voluntarily "on the fringe" for most of my life, i've seen some law enforcement crap that would make most suburban perm-grrls freak in disbelief, especially in the town of long beach, california.

There's is definitely a police problem here in "wrong Beach. " And although there is some initiative for change as shown by the reduction of the "old guard" via pension, as well as the appointment of a black police chief, the cops here definitely have the rep for being both corrupt and brutish, but only because they do corrupt and brutish things. It seems that the police in long beach, california, tend to ignore pleas for help, even in the face of blatent crime. they only help those they want to help and hurt those they want to hurt... there seems to be no "in-between." I don't know the criteria or motivations to get them off their duffs, but as i tell my students, this place feels backwards, a throwback from the 1930's or 40's, with the "right and wrong" sides of the tracks, and racial and social profiling followed not by not only cops but community members, as well.

"it's not normal, here," i tell my students, and sometimes they respond by telling what it was like growing up in the Long BEach area, such as living and going to school downtown, and feeling odd, out of place, and even daring on the rare occassions they ventured into the affluent and beachy Belmont Shore to shop.

Oh and incidentally, the police in Belmont Shore have quicker response times to reported crimes there than in other areas. Ironically, however, sometimes when the Long BEach police "respond" they don't do much to help victims in the nice areas, either. My case-in-point would be, of course the recent killing of a woman in an upscale area. Responding to a call about an intruder, two policeofficers stood on the doorstep as the female homeowner went inside to find the key to the house gate. WHile inside, she was murdered by the very intruder they were sent to apprehend. On the doorstep, the cops did nothing. They said they heard it though. Ah well.

My concern about the problematic nature of the Long Beach police dept. is two-fold. TO BE CONTINUED... NEXT POST...

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» RE: wrong beach police Posted by: sarah
Amazing article!
Posted by: philame on Jun 15, 2005 11:12 AM   
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I am impressed with Stampers' life story and his courage to break with the power that goes with the police identity. More white men need to become radicalized in this way and I hope this book is just the start of his work on this very important issue. Thanks for covering this Alternet!

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» RE: Amazing article! Posted by: windy
cont'd wrong beach.
Posted by: sarah on Jun 15, 2005 2:08 PM   
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Perhaps it's who-you-know or maybe a pay-fer type of policing policy. I'm not from Long Beach, so i'm not sure how it all works. I think that the cop who wrote the book about his experiences and observations may be able to recongize trends and issues from these examples as similar to the things he encountered. I'm impressed that he is addressing these issues as real.

It's real here, but everyone is in denial or repressed by fear. I can tell you that i'm pretty damn sure that the corruption and "darkness of policing" extends to the practices in Long Beach. It's an obvious thing. Even in my personal experiences.

For instance, thre is a neighborhood a few blocks from mine where there is open drug dealing on the corners. The police turn a blind eye, but there's more to that than apathy. It's their corner, i think... Get this true story: Since i am a trained oil and acrylics painter, i stop by an art store on that street periodically. In addition, i had known a person affiliated with a record place on that corner 20 years ago in hollywood, iPeriodically, i'd try to get messages to the guy, mostly because i'm bored and also because i wanted a friend in Long Beach that hailed from my old days, but he's absentee and I doubt any of the messages came through. No matter how nice i was, the pissants on the phone were obnoxious. (funny because WE're the punks, not the 'tude kiddies.)

Anyways, one day i called and was harangued by a young employee whom i know from previous conversations. WHen i said that he was too inappropriate to answer a business phone and that i'd tell some Hollywood musician friends what an a-hole the kid was, the kid told me that he'd "kill my friends and then tell the police that i was just a crazy lady so they'd mess me up." his word. I got mad and ran down to that corner to confront him. Instead of being a man, he stayed in the locked bldg. it was so cowardly and frustrating like a kindergartner sneering : "NYAH NYAH NYAH. from behind a fortress door.


WRONG BEACH CONT'D.NEXT POST... (uno mas)

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» RE: cont'd wrong beach. Posted by: sarah
» RE: cont'd wrong beach. Posted by: sarah
Protesters NOT "violent"
Posted by: Brad J on Jun 15, 2005 4:40 PM   
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The author writes: "Yep, it's that Norm Stamper -- the former Seattle police chief who oversaw the tear gas-and-handcuffs-happy chaos that ensued after a few thousand peaceful protestors became, well, not so peaceful."

I get very annoyed when writers and newspeople do this, but especially on the left. While of course I'm glad that Norm Stamper is admitting to abuses of Seattle PD, it outrages me that whenever police riot against peaceful protesters, the PROTESTERS are presented as the violent ones. Classic blame the victim technique, as old as ruling class media......but doubly wrong when it comes "from the 'Left'". Any protester who was among the 70,000 or so in Seattle will tell you that the violence they saw was on the police....a handful of hooded anarchists (or perhaps provocateurs?) smashing Starbucks' windows despite receiving as much media coverage as Howard Dean's "scream" does not a "violent protest" make. Besides, anyone who has seen the FULL video (which very few corporate media show) will know that other protesters clearly representing the majority SURROUNDED the "anarchists" chanting "PEACEFUL PROTEST".....what a bunch of terrorists, better stay away from those CRAZY protesters....I was at the follow-up demo in DC against the World Bank's policies, and we received the same outrageous media treatment; attention, all who've never been to one of these mass demos, they're not terrifying affairs like you would expect watching TV....there are people from babies to grannies and everything in between, peacefully expressing dissent to horrifying policies...end of rant

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You just plain gotta be NUTS!
Posted by: desert wind on Jun 16, 2005 9:14 AM   
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Let's face reality here-- All things considered, no one in their right mind would ever want to be a cop. You just plain gotta be nuts to want a job like that. So what does that leave us with!? You guessed it.

Imagine the mindset of a person who gets up in the morning knowing he/she's gotta spend the day looking for trouble, and recognizing that if he/she can't find any, they will have to create some just to make themselves look/feel good. Nuts! Pure nuts!

Even crazier, however, is a society which has placed the responsibility for its protection in the hands of such misfits.

As for me, I don't want either their protection or their service. When I do, I'll call them. Meanwhile I expect them to stay out of my life and leave me alone until I've actually hurt someone (person or property), at which point I expect to be held responsible for what I've done. Until then, NO VICTIM, NO CRIME; it's that simple. Forget so-called "crime prevention." I'm perfectly capable of protecting myself, thank you.

Imagine-- here I am an adult with not one but two university degrees, yet my government thinks I'm too stupid to know how and when to cross a street without their officers and their laws imposing ridiculous and unnecessary restrictions upon the process. Who needs it?

LIBERTY is like a huge rock of granite-- strong and imposing. Yet every time some fool passes another law, it's like another chip knocked off that big rock. Pass enough laws and eventually that big rock of Liberty becomes a heap of useless gravel and the nation descends into a Dictatorship of Laws which is every bit as restrictive and coercive as any human dictator ever was or ever will be.

Nuff said.

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:)
Posted by: sarah on Jun 16, 2005 3:09 PM   
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ok. thank you. you know, i like kids just fine, but i've never had any... so i wasn't sure what that "don't furnish the kids" line was about.... I appreciate your clarifying that for me. (i had fun imagining what it meant, though. i did.)

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» mouse gone wild. sorry. Posted by: sarah
» RE: ) Posted by: sarah
One More Truth In A Sea Of Lies
Posted by: doneman2000 on Jun 17, 2005 7:25 PM   
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The war on drugs could not exist if not for all the lies, distortions, and spoon fed propaganda coming from the federal government for the past 80 years or so. The ONDCP as even been cited recently as using tax dollars to produce and air drug war propaganda which is illegal. Of course, Walters could care less as he is a true war on drugs idealogue zealot. From the Bill "minister of morality" Bennet school of thought "lets lock um all up" comes John Walters whose lies are rather evident if one just watches this bureaucrats mouth when it opens. These goons would have people pissing in cups to get their weekly groceries. "Whoops you smoked pot in the past 60 days, no groceries for you now put your hands behind your back you dangerous criminal." After a while most of us just scream as more and more resources are used to arrest pot smokers. Over 700,000 this year with about 89% busted for possession only. WE have 25% of the worlds prisoners while we represent only 5% of the worlds population. Now thats a figure only a rabid drug warrior would be proud of. Especially one who owns stock in CCA (Corrections Corporation Of America). Only a phucking Republican could come up with a way to make a profit off the misery of other human beings.

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