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Readers Write: Women Waiting To Exhale

By Laura Barcella, AlterNet. Posted June 7, 2005.


The flood of comments provoked by a recent article on post-abortion counseling moved us to highlight them in a forum of their own.

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AlterNet editors were floored by the number of thoughtful, engaging comments readers posted in response to Jennifer Baumgardner's article of June 1, Women Waiting to Exhale.

In her story, feminist author/activist Baumgardner reported on the Exhale clinic in Oakland, Calif., which runs a non-judgmental post-abortion talk-line that focuses on "supporting women's experiences, rather than legal rights or lobbying."

Baumgardner also mentioned other abortion-themed projects currently being unveiled by women across the country. From zines like Emily Barcklow's Our Truths/Nuestras Verdades, to Web sites like I'm Not Sorry and Pregnancy Options, to documentary films such as The Abortion Diaries and the author's own Speak Out, Baumgardner noted that the growing number of women talking openly about the conflicting emotional impact of abortion is part of a growing cultural shift "in the national conversation. From 'Keep your laws off my body' to...talk about feelings and sadness, and even (gasp) whether fetal life has value."

Of course, the idea of women who have had abortions debating "whether fetal life has value" is controversial -- and not just for the anti-abortion contingent. It's especially divisive terrain among pro-choicers, who have traditionally downplayed abortion's ethical ambiguities in favor of focusing on the procedure's legal accessibility and safety.

"I'm not surprised at all by the response," says Baumgardner via e-mail. "People have a lot to say about this issue. Obviously, my bias is toward the people who think it's high time we had this conversation more publicly. But I'm intrigued by the people who think that I -- and my sources -- have simply bought into right-wing brainwashing."

The lively comments provoked by Baumgardner's article moved us to highlight them in a forum of their own.

Malkaa began a mini-debate when she wrote, "I was appalled and disappointed in your article about counseling after abortion. Jennifer has bought into right-wing propaganda. Most polls show that the overwhelming reaction to abortion is relief... I was especially taken aback by the statement that women who have an abortion because they couldn't afford another child feel awful about it. That is a blatant lie for most of us...What is wrong with our young people today?"

Reader Xenacat agreed: "This article is the most appalling example of right-wing propaganda cloaked in phony concern for women that I've seen in a long time. Right-wing religious groups have long played up the 'counseling' aspect, the feelings of 'sadness,' etc. It is merely another manipulative tool to get women to buy into the anti-reproductive rights camp."

She continued: "The truth of the matter is that the overwhelming majority of women are just grateful that they can end a pregnancy, period. It is pretty cut and dry: the sense of relief is far greater than...thoughts of motherhood...Enough with the conservative guilt tripping. We don't need this tripe in AlterNet."

Ouch. Thankfully, many readers felt differently. Terihu noted, "Yes, the INITIAL reaction includes relief, but for MANY women -- not all, but many -- there are other complex feelings mixed in... What is so awful about acknowledging the wide range of experiences with abortion? Your rigidity, claiming your own experience as the 'right' one, is as damaging as the psycho right-wingers insisting that it's a sin. Not everyone falls neatly into these two ends of the spectrum...there are shades of gray that both sides are purposely choosing to ignore. If your goal is to be a compassionate advocate of women's rights, you should be more open to listening to real women's talk about their real lives."

Draylinjae added: "I applaud the author's fearless exploration of all of the honest aspects of peoples' feelings. She's promoting a forum for the total acceptance...of women's feelings. Everyone is different. Every BODY is different. Just because you felt relief doesn't mean someone else can't feel horrible following an abortion, even if it IS the best decision for that woman. Why should we be afraid to admit that deciding to have an abortion is difficult? For most women, I think it is a difficult decision, but one that needs to be protected."

Gargirl agreed: "Women who seek abortions need all their emotional responses...accepted by those of us who are ardently pro-choice. They deserve our help and loving concern, not our censure. They are not mind-controlled dupes of the right wing; they are women experiencing painful emotions after a medical procedure...The fact that you experienced no mixed emotions does not invalidate the emotions of other women... Having mixed emotions can happen over choosing which of two parties to go to on a Saturday night, why are you shocked that some women experience mixed feelings over ending a pregnancy?"


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Hey! Wake up people!
Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net on Jun 7, 2005 7:03 AM   
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Yo! I can't do this all by myself. Aren't any of you sick & tired enough to get up offa your fat, lazy, self-pitying butts and get to work?

Would someone like to volunteer to do some research? I thot it would be helpful for people wanting to join our effort, to post stuff like:

1) Congressional Districts and current imposters (ie: the guys/gals we need to overthrow).

2) URL's for Sec'y of State for each state, & specifically how to register a party & as a candidate.

3) Library or other sites where people can get info on relevant stuff, like law, laws, anything that might help people organize.

4) Links for the Links We Like page and to anything that might support our effort; ESPECIALLY links to How-To sites and references to How-To books we can list for people organizing in their communities, congressional districts, & states.

5) We need help with basic stuff like forming a Not-For-Profit org, PAC's (527?), fundraising, bookkeeping, &c

Any other suggestions?

I'll serve as kind of a traffic nerd (not a cop!!) for this stuff. I'm retired, so I have the time, & even some of the energy!!

http://home.earthlink.net/~us-nota/

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I'm not brave
Posted by: nakis on Jun 7, 2005 9:37 AM   
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If I were brave I would be doing something more for my fellow human beings like Jennifer Baumgardner. Or running for office based upon progressive ideals.

But thanks for the compliment.

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What about men?
Posted by: Ivan_K on Jun 7, 2005 9:41 AM   
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I was interested to read the range of reactions to the original article and the range of post-abortion experiences that many of the readers described in their comments. But in the entire discourse, no mention was made of the potential psychological effects of abortion on men. Depending on the man, and depending on his role in the decision-making process, it can affect him very deeply.

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TagsNOLA
Posted by: TagsNOLA on Jun 7, 2005 9:41 AM   
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re: The abortion forum

If anyone feels "bad" about an abortion, I wonder why that might be? Could it possibly be because abortion is murder of an innocent, defenseless human being?

The positon stated as "I'm against abortion myself but I wouldn't want to interfere with another person's 'right to choose' is breathtaking moral imbecility. Against abortion myself? Why? What is the harm of an abortion unless it either is or at least might be murder of an innocent human being? The position that abortion is ok because the unborn to be aborted is not truly a live human being is a question of biology. But the position that aboriton is a matter to be left up to the individual and not to society and public policy is just over the top. Society and the state have a legitimate interest in protection of human life. Common sense dictates that, in the event of any ambiguity as to the facts, innocent human life gets the benefit of the doubt. But if we are to follow the "personal choice" argument, just for a moment, lets take it to its logical extreme: "I might not choose to knock off the counter attendant in a convenience store and scoop the till myself but I wouldn't want to interfere with someone else's right to do so. That is a matter best left to the individual and his or her conscience."

As for me, I have no problem imposing "MY morality" on someone else. Laws against murder, assault, buglery, etc. represent an imposition of society's morals and mores on unwilling individuals. Is this wrong? I don't think so.

Abortion is child sacrifice on the "altar" of personal convenience, nothing more and nothing less.

Sincerely,

TagsNOLA

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FRIEDA
Posted by: frieda on Jun 7, 2005 10:50 AM   
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Although I have not yet read the original article by Baumgartner, I was surprised by the reaction of the first two women. I am currently pregnant with a child that my husband and I are prepared to love, feed and shelter AND I have had two abortions in the past. I do not regret for a minute the decision to abort those first two pregnancies and I still do what I can to keep that option available to other women. But I did feel a sense of loss after the first abortion. This had to do with lots of variables, one being me questioning my decision. JAnd even though I am a strong supporter of the woman's right to safely abort a pregnancy doesn't mean I don't aknowledge and give pause to the life that could have been. I can see how these seemingly contradicting emotions could be confusing to someone who is rigid in their thinking (and feeling) and fears that any ambivalence about a woman feeling anything less than relieved after having an abortion threatens the availability of that choice. I think if more women could really open up about the true experience of their abortion (no matter what that experience was) than we would have a stronger front against those who want to take that choice away at any cost.

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Practical Politics
Posted by: negrita7 on Jun 7, 2005 3:02 PM   
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I have had three pregnancies, two amazing children and one abortion. I think that all of this talk by women who have had abortions is essential and important, particularly for women who are considering their own options in the face of a pregnancy. Unlike miscarriage and birth, women are utterly shamed out of speaking about our aborted pregnancies, except for those who speak from the anti-choice camp. This has led to a dangerous situation where women only hear the stories of women for whom abortion has been a disasterous decision, and not from those of us who consider it the best possible choice we could have made, mixed feelings or no.

BUT, I do think that we need to steer clear from debating the rightness and wrongness of abortion as a procedure in the political arena (obviously, it's an important conversation within communities as we each shape our moral sense). I also think that pro-choice activists need to steer clear of the whole "when does life begin" conversation. The varying elements of faith and conviction and intuition that form these arguments are as strong as the science and the consequences. I think that in the political arena, abortion must be maintained as a right due to women not because of its rightness or "goodness", but because we must be sovereign over our own bodies. My abortion was a choice, as were my births, but it was also an act of sovereignty.

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The aftermath of abortion
Posted by: steinph on Jun 7, 2005 6:52 PM   
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I was so glad to read about EXHALE and related groups. I think it is important to deal with abortion, as with all things, with honesty, rather than by only allowing certain feelings. With that, I tell my story. I am 62 now, so this happened long ago, in the so-called hippie days. I have 2 children. I was a Lamaze teacher and La Leche leader, i.e., deeply into childbirth and child rearing. I was also, by then, separated from my husband and living with another man. I got pregnant while using a diaphragm. Luckily it was (just barely) after Roe v. Wade, although not after the time that it took two psychiatrists to authorize an abortion. There was no question in my mind that I did not want to have a baby with this man. I went thru the hoops, went to the hospital, was "put to sleep," and had my abortion. I remember feeling that my body was bereft, but I felt relief. The story does not end here. Without going into the boring details, over the course of the next 10 years, I had 3 more abortions, at outpatient clinics. Each time, I knew that I did not want to have a child, that it would be very, very wrong. Each time, I dreamed, every night, that I had miscarried and was disappointed that I had not. The third time, though, something was different. Maybe this was because I was deeply involved in really exploring and feeling my feelings, I don't know. That night I went into some of the deepest pain I have ever felt. I kept feeling "I took a life. A life started and I caused it to stop." I sobbed and sobbed. Strangely, I did not regret having the abortion. This feeling did not have any effect on whether if was the right thing to do, just the grief of having to do it. Oddly, the last time, a few years later, the feeling did not come back. I don't know why.
So, I remain totally pro choice, and aware of the deep grief the can come with having to make that choice. Sometimes, there is no "good" choice, only the best choice in a terrible situation.

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Stories are crucial to keep human faces in the debate
Posted by: philame on Jun 11, 2005 4:06 PM   
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The EXHALE program in Oakland is a brilliant idea and thank you to Baumgardner for bringing more attention to it. I also appreciate Alternet holding readers' comments/thinking side by side with columnists - what an excellent example of democracy!

A poster to Baumgardner's article stressed the importance of sharing stories to the (continued) inclusiveness and vibrancy of the feminist movement. I'd like to extend that point to say that it is also key in protecting women's reproductive rights.

I haven't read Baumgardner's article so I could be repeating what has already been said, but sharing our stories is critical to putting human faces back into the debate about women's reproductive rights.

The last post above mine speaks volumes to the importance of sharing real life stories. All too often, when women's reproductive rights are discussed three things happen: 1) the woman who has chosen abortion is assigned the identity of a irresponsible harlot with no conscience, 2) is only permitted to feel one emotion - relief - or 3) an abstract, philosophical debate about the start of life ensues. In all three scenarios, real women get de-humanized and taken out of the debate.

I consider any act that affirms women's humanity a feminist act. I support the telling of these stories because they keep women's human faces in the debate, allow women a full-range of human emotion and most importantly they are POLITICALLY powerful! The debate is about WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS and sharing these personal stories is the best way to keep the public discussion on topic.

I applaud the women who have shared their stories here, at EXHALE and the many other forums on abortion because you help to keep the issue real.

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The Bad Old Days: I Was There
Posted by: morticia on Jun 13, 2005 9:17 AM   
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I had an illegal abortion when I was a teenager in the latter 1960s, just a few years before Roe v. Wade. The "anguish" of the sort being talked about in Baumgardner's article is luxury anguish compared to what women suffered routinely in the Bad Old Days. If you want anguish, try tramping the streets of New York and Jersey City at the age of 17, alone, a wad of cash in your pocket, looking for an abortionist, not knowing if the person you found was going to be a doctor, a motorcycle mechanic, a prostitute or a mortician, if you were going to be poked with a catheter, an umbrella spine or a solution of soapsuds and Clorox on a kitchen table or a bathroom floor, knowing virtually for certain that you were going to be sexually molested and humiliated and almost certainly ripped off, and that dying of hemorrhage or septic shock was a very real possibility because you might not get any help at all because of your "crime."

What I felt after my illegal abortion was bitter, seething resentment at being sexually violated and manhandled at age 17 by two different disgusting old seedy "doctors" in their run-down, filthy "offices" in lousy, dangerous, dirty neighborhoods of major cities. I can still feel their ungloved fingernails scraping me during the "examination" and smell their foul breath on my face as they rubbed themselves against me while I was completely at their mercy.

Enough time has passed that people's memories are getting fuzzy. A generation of women have grown up in an era of safe, legal abortion, with no real notion of the reality of the pre-Roe era, when women were separated from existing medical technology because of cruel laws and ideology, and often died horribly because of it. The discussion of women's post-abortion anguish could benefit from a bit of perspective.

To read more, go to: motherjones.com Look for an article called "The Way It Was."

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gruelling silence
Posted by: K.J. on Jun 17, 2005 11:47 AM   
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My major regret is that, being poor at the time, my abortion experience was a physically agonizing one. Yes, right here in the US in 1990, I had a legal abortion with nothing more to dull my senses than a dose of Valium. The pain was so bad I was absolutely sure I would not survive the procedure. I lost a day's pay plus the high (to us at the time) cost of the abortion. Because of that, my husband could only get away from his job long enough to hold my hand during the surgery and then put me in a taxi home. I didn't even find out until years later that most American women get full anaesthesia for this procedure. Every time I hear someone calling abortion an easy and lazy convenience, I remember that I was lucky to get a safe, if tortuous, one.

My husband felt an enormous amount of guilt, by the way. He felt guilt for being stupid enough to get pregnant, guilt for not being "a better provider" who could make enough to support a non-earning wife and baby at home, guilt for the pain and anguish and isolation I endured. He felt irresponsible for getting me pregnant, even though we were married, and for my day home alone trying to recover from the procedure. It also doesn't make him feel very good to keep a secret from his family. And he could never quite shake the shadow of a doubt that he had somehow "made" me get an abortion through some kind of pressure at some level. So there are some examples of the kinds of feelings men can have.

The worst part of all of this is that the complete lack of meaningful social conversation on the topic has left us feeling, all these years, like unworthy ogres. We were definitely stupid, and I have struggled with conflicting emotions ever since, but I am beginning to resent the silence. It is a pain all its own, like the abortion itself. It reminds me of the idiotic silence that used to surround cancer. Why do we have to do this, as a society, over and over? Health issues, race and gender politics, the really important things seem the most taboo.

God help us all.

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