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The Mugging of the American Dream

By Bill Moyers, AlterNet. Posted June 6, 2005.


Washington is a divided city -- not between north and south as in Lincoln's time, but between those who can buy all the government they want and those who can't even afford a seat in the bleachers.

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Editor's Note: The following is the prepared text of the speech Bill Moyers gave June 3 at the Take Back America conference in Washington, D.C. The transcript of the speech as delivered can be found at ourfuture.org.

It's good to be with you again. Your passion for democracy is inspiring and your enthusiasm contagious. I can't imagine a more exuberant gathering today except possibly at the K Street branch of the Masters of the Universe where they are celebrating their coup at the Securities and Exchange Commission

I wish that I could have attended all your sessions, listened to all the speakers, and heard all the points of view that have been raised here. But thanks to C-Span I was able to catch enough of your proceedings to realize you covered so many subjects and touched on so many ideas that you've left me little to say. That's okay, because as Bob Borosage reminded us back in January, what matters most isn't what is said in Washington but what you do on the ground across the country to build an independent infrastructure, generate ideas, drive local campaigns, persuade the skeptic, organize your neighbors, and carry on the movement at the grassroots for social and economic justice.

Before you go home, however, Bob has asked me to talk about what's at stake in what you are doing. Given all that has already been said, I will take my cue from the late humorist Robert Benchley who arrived for his final exam in international law at Harvard to find that the test consisted of this one instruction: "Discuss the arbitration of the international fisheries problem in respect to hatcheries protocol and dragnet and procedure as it affects (a) the point of view of the United States and (b) the point of view of Great Britain." Benchley was desperate but he was also honest, and he wrote: "I know nothing about the point of view of Great Britain in the arbitration of the international fisheries problem, and nothing about the point of view of the United States. I shall therefore discuss the question from the point of view of the fish."

That's what I have done in much of my work in journalism. Thirty-five years ago almost to the day I set out on a three-month trip of over l0, 000 miles to write a book called "Listening to America." I completed the book but I've never finished the trip; never was able to come off the road; never could stop listening. My worldview has been a work in progress, molded largely by the stories I've heard from the people I've met. I want to tell you this morning about some of those people. They tell us what's at stake.

I begin with two families in Milwaukee. The breadwinners in both households lost their jobs in that great wave of downsizing in 1991 as corporations began moving jobs out of the city and out of the country. In a series of documentaries over the next decade my colleagues and I chronicled their efforts to cope with the wrenching changes in their lives and find a place for themselves in the new global economy. I grew up with people like them. They're the kind my mother called "the salt of the earth" (takes one to know one!) They love their children, care about their neighborhoods, go to church every Sunday, and work hard all week. But like millions of Americans, these two families in Milwaukee were playing by the rules and still losing. By the end of the decade they were running harder but slipping behind, and the gap between them and prosperous America had reached Grand Canyon proportions.

I want to show you a very brief excerpt from that first documentary. It aired on PBS in January 1992 with the title "Minimum Wages: The New Economy." You'll see the father of one family as he looks for work after losing his machinist's job at the big manufacturer, Briggs and Stratton. You'll meet his wife in their kitchen as they make a desperate call to the bank that is threatening to foreclose on their home after failing to meet their mortgage payments. During our filming the fathers in both families became seriously ill. One was hospitalized for two months, leaving the family $30,000 in debt. You'll hear the second family talk about what it's like when both parents lose their jobs, depriving them of health insurance and putting their children's education up for grabs. Take a look.

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Seeing those people again I thought of the interviews that the Campaign for America's Future conducted around the country on the eve of your conference. A woman in Columbus, Ohio, told one interviewer something that I've heard in different ways in my own reporting over the past few years. She said: "Everyday life pulls families apart." It takes a moment for the implications of that to hit home. Think about it: Our country, the richest and most powerful nation in the history of the race -- a place where "everyday life pulls families apart."


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The article is excellent, but there is an important point which must be made. For a long time already, there has been much confusion in political and social philosophy which often leads to progressives shooting themselves in the foot. Here is the sample from this article:

but you're on the ... winning side of history.

Bill really shouldn't have said that, because what is right (expressed by normative statements) cannot be derived from historical facts (declarative statements), and still less from historical facts-to-be. The phrase "history shall judge" boils down to "future power is always right", which is morally the same as "present power is always right" and "past power (tradition) is always right", and all these three principles essentially put personal responsibility and moral decisions out of circulation.

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JINGOIST
Posted by: jingoist on Jun 6, 2005 3:55 AM   
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Dear Mr. Moyers,
After reading your article I was left with many questions so I'll just ask a few. Don't we live in a representative republic and not a democracy? It's the difference between mob rule and citizens having inalienable rights. Also, just as important, isn't this society a meritocracy instead of a redistributionist cleptocracy? In this type of society people can rise as high as their G-d given talent and effort will bring them. Oh sure, injustices will occur. That's why we have laws on the books. Forcing equality of outcomes leads to all of the Communist horrors that we have seen. Last question. When you worked for L.B.J., did you actually order F.B.I. background checks on all of Barry Goldwater's men? They never did that to you. Bill, most feedom loving Americans would really frown on such an abuse of power.

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JINGOIST
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Dear Mr. Moyers,
After reading your article I was left with many questions so I'll just ask a few. Don't we live in a representative republic and not a democracy? It's the difference between mob rule and citizens having inalienable rights. Also, just as important, isn't this society a meritocracy instead of a redistributionist cleptocracy? In this type of society people can rise as high as their G-d given talent and effort will bring them. Oh sure, injustices will occur. That's why we have laws on the books. Forcing equality of outcomes leads to all of the Communist horrors that we have seen. Last question. When you worked for L.B.J., did you actually order F.B.I. background checks on all of Barry Goldwater's men? They never did that to you. Bill, most feedom loving Americans would really frown on such an abuse of power.

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Mugging of the American dream?
Posted by: Nigelthebrit on Jun 6, 2005 4:40 AM   
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What's happening to the American dream is disturbing us on my side of the Atlantic too. I'm reading William Shirer's book "The Collapse of the Third Republic", about the causes of the collapse of France in 1940. Like the USA today, the politicians in the France of 1930 - 1940 looked out for their own futures, rather than for the future of their country. Likewise the rich, in avoiding their fair share of taxation.

Seeing the state of the USA now, I must confess that I'm minded to think that the fall of liberty in the land of liberty will be the most awesome spectacle the World will see in the 21st Century - made all the more so by implosion from within. But I have enough faith to believe that, as in France during and after the last World War, liberty will rise again - the vegetation is rotten, but the tree's roots remain strong!

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BuyBlue
Posted by: nanobubble on Jun 6, 2005 6:48 AM   
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All the more reason to buyblue.org !

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When Will WE Wake Up?
Posted by: jobie1kno on Jun 6, 2005 6:54 AM   
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I applaud Bill Moyers' comments, and cannot express just how seriously his comments should be taken, not simply by the conscious, but by the (apparently) 50% of people who are being bludgeoned by the powers of the elites, while supporting its very existence.
I am a former UK resident, and did my homework before moving to the US. The research seemed to confirmed my beliefs that the US is indeed a great country, a beacon of light standing for equality, fairness, democracy, hard work and reward. Since moving to this country some years ago, my vision of the American Dream has become somewhat jaded- it is a quick and slippery race to the bottom for the majority, while the powerful elites become the only recipients in the equity, fairness and reward stakes. Picture the game of "Adders and Ladders", where the only difference is that the gatekeepers at the bottom rung demand a million up front. And the Adders at the top of the board are nested in a coil.
Readers who wish me a speedy trip back to the UK after reading this posting will be disappointed, however. I feel very strongly that this is now my country, too, and I, like many, have no intention of accepting the injustices. It takes people like Moyers to refocus our attention to these matters. Tomorrow's leaders are waiting in the wings, and this revolution will take place, eventually. That is what my history taught me.

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Bravo, Bill!
Posted by: mendomama on Jun 6, 2005 7:11 AM   
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Bravo! I loved this article. I thought that Bill hit the nail on the head with respect to the state of this country. A country in which young families struggle to get their head above water, and are lucky if they can make their rent (or house payment if they're really lucky), afford to put gas in their car to get to their low paying job, and hopefully, afford to put dinner on the table for their family. Health insurance is not only a stretch - but completely out of the question, as is setting aside any money for retirement. Older generations in this country are struggling to keep from sinking. Too old to work, but too poor not to, they struggle to hold on to homes they've owned most of their adult lives, scramble to pay for healthcare costs that in some cases exceed their monthly income, and in many cases forces them to choose between medicine and food. Meanwhile, the rich continue to fill their pockets, with, apparently, enough money to buy all the rose colored glasses necessary to keep from seeing the reality that most American families live with every day.

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National Treasure
Posted by: JackieGiles on Jun 6, 2005 8:18 AM   
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Eat your veggies, Bill. You're a National Treasure!

It's up to us Liberals to get worked up and do something about the right-wing Republican hegemony!

I'm retired, just moved to a new state, and am getting in touch with Progressives in my area so I can work with others to halt our land of freedom and opportunity in its decline toward a monarchy of the moneyed, catered to by legions of "servants" holding down multiple service jobs to feed and house themselvesand their families--if they're lucky.

What will you do?

And by the way, Joe Biden and you other Republicrat fellow-travelers: Quit trashing Howard Dean for telling the truth. The Republican leadership IS mean, and yeah, many of them have yet to work a day in an honest job. They and we know who they are.

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Make mine sedition
Posted by: RoguebotV on Jun 6, 2005 9:16 AM   
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Great story Bill!!!!(as always)
As for you doubting thomases who listen to the right's rhetoric and point to communisim as the way we will go if we act like humans I say FOO on YOU!!!!!!!
We were never to be at this point if our founding fathers had anything to do with it.
Our current lack of caring( Nafta, bancruptcy law, political access, removal of assistance from the poor) all stem from our own depravity. If we do not care for the other man/woman/child we will never make the decisions needed to correct our failed system.
Our founding fathers went out of their way to get above the mundane P.O.V of classism and elite perogatives.
They knew that no one would have fair treatment if their personal privacy/ religion/ economic status, was controlled and dictated by the U.S. govenment and that would destroy the union faster than anything else.(They wrote directly against the elites as they knew the little man would not survive without powerful protections
)Now we have corporate henchmen whose only task is to promote a very narrow interpretation of freedom that does not include the rest of us.
Control of the U.S. came at the expense of freedom and revolt is the only answer as the lines of communication between the U.S. and US have been severed over years of criminal acts that none of us out here can control.
Money is great but people are stronger.
Take to the streets now!!!
(Oh, that rights Oprah's on then it's C.S.I. maybe after that )

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Luck?
Posted by: 42Years on Jun 6, 2005 11:06 AM   
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I wish it were enough to have luck in order to change the world, even if it is only the small part that each of us occupy. But luck is like waiting for something to happen. Everyone knows that luck is winning the lottery or finding a dime on the sidewalk. It just happens without any interference from anyone. A good luck wish is no different than saying goodbye when you part or God bless when you sneeze. It is a formality that never comes true, like wishing on a star. If all the news about the rich and the poor, the politicians and the electorate, the rule makers and the law abiding citizens, and the white and the black are true, as I have every right to believe, then we have gone over the edge of reason and fallen into an abyss -- the cesspool that is the White House and Congress -- choking on the raw sewerage offered up as fact for what our "leaders" are doing in our name, today. We have gone more than half-way into the woods and must now continue on until we get out into the sunlight. Bill could have been writing this article in 1920 or 1945 or 1960 or anytime in the past. Yes, there are degrees of difference between now and then, but it is always the same story. People are suffering in the greatest country in the world and with few exceptions, we are doing nothing to change that fact. The really poor don't have time to try to fix the system. The middle class are afraid that if they try to fix the system they will lose everything and join the ranks of the really poor. The rich -- the top 10 percent -- don't try to fix the system because it works just fine for them, insulated behind their money as they are. The United States and the world are facing profound changes so fast that there is no time to debate the pros and cons. Couple what the US has turned into since 1939 with the fact they we are using up our finite resources at warp speed and you see that the train is speeding at 100 miles per hour through the station headed for the biggest wreck of all times. Maybe, the final end-game that will change the way we live forever. I do not say this lightly, but perhaps the train has to wreck and people have to die en mass to get our attention. All aboard!

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Bill, Would you adopt me?
Posted by: nakis on Jun 6, 2005 11:53 AM   
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Another wonderfully plain spoken call it like it is with sound logic and facts article.

You've had a long career Bill and you deserve to retire in peace. But dang it, we need you (he said on his knees with his hands clasped together)!!!!
The nation needs you!

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We have two economies
Posted by: chuckrightmire on Jun 6, 2005 12:15 PM   
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I agree with all that you have said, Bill Moyers, but I would add that for some time now we have had two economies in this country. I have seen those who depend on their tax returns to pay their bills once a year and those who cannot afford dental or other health care. They are all around us. But we have a society today in which there is the world economy and down below is the local economy in which most of us live. Out here in the least known state we deal with the small businessman, with all the problems that entails but who are the foundation of the small economy. I would suggest that the right's concentration of morals having to do with activities between the waist and the knee have a great deal to do with this.

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What Do We Really Do Now?
Posted by: thehousedog on Jun 6, 2005 1:09 PM   
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Wow - there are sure a lot of people standing up and picketing, and getting ready to take action outside my office; perhaps I'll join then...

We're all living in a fiction that we eat with, sleep with, and live with - and not one of us is going to do anything about it until somebody does something so violent that it shakes us all out of our slumber.

Where's the next revolutionary? She or he needs to step up to the plate.

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The True Patriots
Posted by: FloraFamily on Jun 6, 2005 1:16 PM   
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we are the patriots. those who support king george are loyalists. see Jefferson on " banks", Franklin on "an inquiry into a paper currency". Paine suggested a social security system. Bill Moyers is great. w.l.christensen

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A Republican, Kevin Phillips, has said much the same
Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 6, 2005 3:57 PM   
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Why won't the American people listen?

Where's this generation's Edward R. Murrow? Or where's Mike Wallace when we need him? Dan Rather won't you please come home?

We, the people, are being economically raped and robbed. And shamed in the eyes of the world for invading a nation that had not attacked us.

You mean it must get even worse than this before the people wise up and rise up?

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Spare me the excessive ass-kissing
Posted by: h2oaso on Jun 6, 2005 6:00 PM   
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The unraveling state of this country and all that it stands for isn't just the product of the powers that be and the sheeple that elect them. There are far more overreaching trends such as the foisting of hyper-materialism and hyper-individualism, coupled by our society of wanton waste that only makes the situation worse. And as bad as that may sound, we haven't even come close to reaching bottom yet.

Do a search in AlterNet on Peak Oil and Air Jesus and you'll see what I'm talking about.

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Mr. Bill Moyers
Posted by: aries72 on Jun 6, 2005 8:05 PM   
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I uphold what you have to say, we are not lost until we actually crawl into our holes and refuse to communicate.
I have watched all this happening around me for the past 55 years, and not with a dead head either, have always given my utmost, my idea's, my ideals, my willingness to attempt to change many things that were going to destroy America, and have, but because I was of the medium class it was hard, and you said it loud and clear, that didn't stop me. I am very saddened as to what is happening to my country, and now find myself wanting to do something with my hands tied behind my back - you can be assured that will not stop me.. Somehow we got ourselves into this pickle, since we got ourselves in we can also get ourselves out, when all who believe in the truth will finally get together really, not just words but actions to give America back to the people and the elitest take the hindmost - I really do have a lot to say, but will not at this particular time, hope to hear from you.
Jackie ONeil
aries72@nu-world.com

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Mr. Moyers, Thanks for graciously sharing perspective, not spin.
Posted by: amilius on Jun 7, 2005 12:05 AM   
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As the religious right and wealthy elite align to roll back the Enlightenment principles upon which this nation was established, Thank God Bill Moyers is around to remind us that we may yet experience being a truly gracious nation if and when we, as a nation, choose differently. Clearly, it will not happen under current circumstances. Few in the halls of the Capital and none in the White House have been accurately described as 'gracious'. 'Gracious' is the opposite of 'evil', not 'good'. It is a good thing to be clear on this. We will be on the track that serves our potential as an expansive, inclusive abundantly beneficial society when our leaders ask about every choice, " Is this Gracious?" Not one administration policy discussed above would pass this simple test. Every policy that is being attacked or dismantled by the current administration would. " IS THIS CHOICE GRACIOUS?" It is that simple.

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Lets Step Up To The Plate
Posted by: jobie1kno on Jun 7, 2005 6:51 AM   
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Tony Blair's Labour Party was once the "third party". Time and neccessity made it one of the two dominant parties in UK politics. Take strength from this. We can't see into the future, but we are here to shape it.

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yogi
Posted by: evaneis on Jun 7, 2005 12:02 PM   
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Right on Bill Moyers! What you describe has been going on for a long time and it's time to stop it. The best thing we can do right now is make sure our states pass laws requiring paper ballots for voting, and pressure Congress to do it on a national level (although the Republicans won't let that happen). We don't need these computerized voting machines with private software, we then let Diebold count our votes (see Blackboxvoting.org). We don't need optical scanners to count our paper ballots either, those can also be hacked. We just need paper ballots and citizens to count them, all open to public view, like in Germany and Switzerland. This is the first step to regulating the corporations and the greedy bastards in the Republican Party.

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Still the City of Lincoln
Posted by: kikz on Jun 7, 2005 1:51 PM   
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"You stand there silently contemplating the words that gave voice to Lincoln's fierce determination to save the Union - his resolve that "government of, by, and for the people shall not perish from the earth" - and then you turn and look out, as he does, on a city where those words are daily mocked. This is no longer Lincoln's city. And those people from all walks of life making their way up the steps to pay their respects to this martyr for the Union - it's not their city, either. This is an occupied city, a company town, a wholly owned subsidiary of the powerful and privileged whose have hired an influence racket to run it."

I love Moyers, but as a son of the South, and an investigative reporter he should know more of his own cultural history... If Moyers knew his own history, he would know that the government on which Lincoln waxed poetic, that government "of, for and by the people" was a mockery from its utterance, and in actuality meant government in perpetuity of, for, and by, wealthy northern REPUBLICANS ONLY.

If you know any actual history... you know the real reasons as to why Lincoln was so fired up to save the union, "Morril Tariff" revenue to finance his masters' (Republican Robber Barons & Bankers) Government Subsidized Public Works Scams, the Canals and Railroads, and to lockdown republican control of the government.
Lincoln could've given a rat's ass about slavery or slaves.

Lincoln was an attorney/lobbyist (hired gun for the Railroad) and being privy to the planning, bought land at future crossroads. Don't believe me? Read for yourself. www.lewrockwell.com /dilorenzo/dilorenzo51.html. I offer this one link, at which Tom Dilorenzo's archives may be accessed, on these and many other myths of Lincoln.

I offer another, for your perusal and information on the "Robber Barons of the Gilded Age", entitled
History of the Great American Fortunes by Gustavas Myers www.geocities.com /doswind/myers/myers_index.html

cc the url, and delete the space after .com.
Both should be required reading.
I hope you as Americans, seeking truth, will discover your true national history, as I have.

So you see, it is still the City of Lincoln, same company town, same old plunderers, same old game, only the dates and names have changed, and Moyers should know better.

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Crawling out from under the rubble of Bushism
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Jun 7, 2005 4:26 PM   
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Bill Moyers is an island of wisdom and sensitivity in a sea of venality, apathy, and scrambling self-aggrandizement. This administration has been such a spectacular travesty that it's difficult to know where to begin to triage the wounds it's inflicted. However, after much thought, I believe our top priorities ought to be: 1.) election reform...far-reaching and fast; and 2.) the prohibition of lobbying. It's nothing but legalized bribery, and the most expeditious means possible for parties with deep pockets and shallow motives to buy themselves scoundrel-friendly legislation. I realize it's a tall order. But if we all start nagging our Congresspeople, until we become annoying enough to get their attention...perhaps we can make these viable campaign issues in the not-too-distant future. By the way, I've become a pom-pom girl (old bag that I am) for Howard Dean ever since I read his statement, "I hate Republicans and everything they stand for." Give 'em hell, Howard!

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human being
Posted by: joankushner on Jun 8, 2005 6:24 AM   
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would it be possible, somehow, to require all financial supporters of any politician donate an equal amount of money to non-partisan charity? to health care for the indigent? for small business loans? in effect, for the people in your article?

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too late
Posted by: too late on Jun 8, 2005 2:49 PM   
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it's nice to see that the class war is finally (after at least 35 years) getting some comment. but i fear it is too late--the war has already been lost. the greedy have pretty much taken everything and soon will succeed in killing the goose. nothing is going to happen until the system implodes, and then there will be a great darkness that will last for who knows how long. what will come after that? Probably a hi-tech dark age ruled by a small elite. On the other hand, the greedy have already ruined the environment and we all, rich and poor, may suffer the results of that. globalization cannot work unless there is a tremendous culling of the world population, including much of the population here in the good ol' US of A. I suggest that you can kill yourself whenever you choose or wait until the bird flu (or whatever) arrives. when everything descends into chaos many of the greedy will also suffer and die, if that is any consolation. We all have to die anyway.

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THANK YOU BILL
Posted by: longthought on Jun 9, 2005 10:23 AM   
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Your article was inspiring. I fear it will get worse before it gets better. The new Robber Barons know they have to leave us enough to keep our cable TV on for now. When that ceases the masses may rise up in one form or another, at least I hope so, I feel so helpless most of the time. I see this coming, I see it already here. Your article has given me a second wind, I thank you. Another excellent book although a few years old now titled "CORPORATON NATION" by Charles Derber lays out alot of what you mentioned. I found it to enlightening.

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Let's quit paying them!
Posted by: revsuzanne on Jun 10, 2005 12:34 PM   
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Bill Moyers is absolutely right, and again he makes his point eloquently. Since Reagan, big business and their lobbyists have been more and more in charge of everything. Laws have been bought, and the wage-earning middle class has been sold out. I am reminded of the basic precepts that brought this country into realization: "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!" I think that should be our battle cry. We haven't been represented in a long, long time. We need to QUIT PAYING THESE BUGGERS to screw us over. Our taxes are just a huge feeding trough for multinationals and the richest 2% who don't pay into the system. We need to cut them off.
Can you think of anything else that would actually get the attention of our so-called government?
The question is, can we ordinary citizenry get organized in such a way so as to make the thought attempting to exact taxes from us too daunting to the IRS and its enforcement arm, the FBI? I know the 16th Amendment was never ratified and there is no actual law on the books that says we HAVE to pay taxes, but that hasn't stopped them. Can enough people remove their money from the playing field all at once to send the message? How do we do it?

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Posted by: trurel on Jun 11, 2005 6:36 AM   
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What can I say? Just fantastic!

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CORPORATION NATION
Posted by: drjimmy on Jun 11, 2005 9:17 PM   
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I'm not talking about taxing the rich too much, but surely they could be taxed fairly at least equal to what it was % wise 20 years ago and maybe more in line with the rest of the top 49.9%. Some of the richest people in this country agree they are not paying their fair share. Believe me if they can make a buck in Amereica they'll stay here no matter what the tax is. To not tax them for fear they will leave is ludicrous. They make big bucks in America, and should consider themselves privileged to do business here, not the other way around. The best skilled labor force in the world lives here and yes they should pay for that and they will and do. Plumbing was a skill that I feel privileged to have learned and yes it paid me well as a journeyman and as a Contractor. Coming from S. California it would of been real tempting to hire illegals for under minimum wage to do a lot of labor intensive work most contractors do that. As an apprentice in the Union I was able to learn my trade and work from the ditches up to piping and plumbing. Today there are a lot less qualified Plumbers because of the Cheap Illegal Alien workforce available for manual labor to replace up and coming plumber apprentices and it's worse in other trades.
The poor getting poorer is Corporate America's fault. It's almost conspiratorial they hire the illegals without fear of reprisal. The Corporate World has such a hold on our society it's scary. Look at what is taking place, the Corporations are dictating how many hours a week America works, if and when you may have or have not a vacation/benefits/retirement,(retirement maybe we'll just let the government handle this in another Corporate Welfare Case like the Airlines retirements are now doing). They dictate where you will live, what you wear, and now what you do when you are not at work. There is not much left to dictate to us. Now if you are more my age 50+, I''m pretty well set they cannot dictate to me and probably not you. Imagine having 2 or 3 kids a mortgage 2 cars etc. When the company tells you to quit smoking and wear a better suit to work what are you going to do? And by the way we need every other Saturday from now on for the same pay. What are you going to do? You suck it up and that's what's happening nation/world wide and the Coporations know this. The counter-vailing forces are not there today. The unions are barely holding on and the Government is no longer accountable to the people.

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