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Warning: We Discriminate

By Ian Ayres and Jennifer Gerarda Brown, AlterNet. Posted May 17, 2005.


Many people who might otherwise allow their sons to join the Boy Scouts might be less willing if they knew they had to sign a sexual orientation disclosure statement.

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Imagine that your son wants to join the Boy Scouts. On the parental permission form, you find this paragraph:

I, the undersigned, acknowledge that the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) retains the right to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

Could you put pen to paper and bring yourself to sign?

Many people who might otherwise allow their sons to join the Scouts would be less willing if they had to sign this sort of disclosure statement. For some, the disclosure might be new information, and once informed they would walk away. For others, the policy against gays would be old news, but seeing it in print over their own signature would create such discomfort that they'd find other, more inclusive activities for their children (such as the YMCA or Campfire Boys and Girls).

Certainly, many parents would sign, either because they gave into their childs' desires, or because they supported the BSA's exclusion of gay men from the organization. Even for the parents who decided to sign, the disclosure would be beneficial, because it would ensure that their decision to associate with discrimination was truly informed.

If an organization's failure to disclose discriminatory policies allows it to recruit people who would refuse membership if fully informed, a kind of associational fraud can occur. The state as well as potential members and donors have an interest in preventing this sort of fraud.

We agree with the Supreme Court's opinion in Dale v. Boy Scouts of America that the freedom of association protects the right of individuals to form discriminatory organizations. In Dale, the U.S. Supreme Court established that the BSA and its members had rights of "expressive association" which would be violated if they were forced to extend membership to anyone who failed to meet their admission standards. This meant the BSA could exclude James Dale, an openly gay man. The Court effectively held that the constitutional right of expressive association trumped a state statutory right to be free from discrimination.

But the same animating principle of associational freedom should allow government to require associations to warn prospective members about their discriminatory policies.

The Dale decision struck down the application of New Jersey's non-discrimination statute as applied to the Scouts. But there is nothing to stop New Jersey from passing an "Informed Association Statute." Under this statute, if organizations like the Boys Scouts want to retain the right to discriminate, they would have to obtain written acknowledgments from their members, much like the one we imagine above. Neither these acknowledgements, nor the discriminatory policy they disclose, would have to be made public. But if challenged, a discriminatory organization would have to prove to a court that it adequately warned its members that it wished to retain the right to discriminate.

In our Informed Association statute, silence is a covenant not to discriminate. That is, if you join an organization and it doesn't mention anything to you about discrimination, you'd be safe in assuming that the organization would not discriminate. In fact, this is what most people today assume when they join most organizations, and what most Boy Scouts probably assumed before the Dale case. To discriminate, organizations would have to affirmatively "opt out" of this covenant by adequately disclosing to prospective members how they planned to discriminate, and against whom.

This requirement would help secure the state's interest in preventing people from mistakenly associating with discriminatory organizations. Far from impeding rights of expressive association, this furthers people's informed decision making about how to spend their time, money, and energy -- and with whom they wish to do it.

We bet that it would lead some heterosexual people to walk away. Would you be willing to sign the written acknowledgement? This simple disclosure - of the organization's policy and of the individual's willingness to associate -- would force some heterosexuals to come to terms with their complicity in discrimination. Boy Scout families would lose any plausible deniability. Ignorance would no longer be an excuse.

Some might choose to join notwithstanding the discrimination, but bring new energy to reform efforts. It's hard to change a discriminatory policy if you don't know it exists. Seeing their signatures connected to an organization's policy statement, though, might generate a greater sense of responsibility among parents. After all, discomfort can be a great spur to action.

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Ian Ayres and Jennifer Brown are professors at Yale and Quinnipiac law schools and the authors of Straightforward: How to Mobilize Heterosexual Support for Gay Rights.

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Boy Scout BS
Posted by: Urstrly on May 18, 2005 5:24 AM   
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Over the past decade Unitarian Universalists have gotten an education about the Boy Scouts that might surprise many Americans. Anti-gay discrimination is only one manifestation that the organization is not the benign civic group to encourage the development of boys that we thought. Instead, it is a closely-held franchise dominated by people of the religious right. Our own boys are not eligible for the God and Country award because UUs are a creedless church and have no doctrinal tests (which, obviously, the Boy Scouts do). It might surprise people that the Morman church uses the scouts as a youth program; since Mormans can guarantee so many memberships, their beliefs, naturally, are given more weight than, say, Methodists, who might sponsor a troop but never require kids to join. My own congregation pulled out of the scouts and started an organization called the Navigators after the gay issue was pressed so unrelentingly. Unlike the Scouts, it is not based on military structure, another plus, we think.

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» RE: Boy Scout BS Posted by: skeptic
» RE: Boy Scout BS Posted by: PeterPeter
» RE: Boy Scout BS Posted by: Lathor
BSA sponsorships
Posted by: cosmic on May 19, 2005 8:19 AM   
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On all BSA applications it states its values very clearly for parents to read. The Law the boys have to memorize and recite at joining makes it pretty clear where BSA as an organization stands. The organization surveys its memership periodically to check on possible changes. On the gay question, the vote comes back 86% to retain the current position. This fact was reinforced a couple of years ago when the BSA Council in Philadelphia adopted a pro-gay position and over 90% of the families immediately withdrew membership. The council retracted its position immediately. As long as 75% of the units are sponsored by Churches, and 15% more are sponsored by Veteran's organizations and fraternal clubs, conservative-traditional values will dominate. Mormons represent 30% of Scouting, Methodists 32% of Scouting. The top leadership of Scouting nationally is dominated by these two Churches. If one of them changes their position, it would create a domino effect. Those who really want BSA to change need to work on the organizations that OWN BSA.. Keep in mind, no BSA unit can exist unless it is chartered by an organization. Sort of a franchise system.
However, I doubt either of these two large churches will change their positions anytime soon.

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Boys should be informed, too
Posted by: terihu on May 20, 2005 10:53 AM   
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While this article makes some excellent points, I think it ignored one very important element...the prospective scout's own personal viewpoint. It's not just something parents and adults need to be informed about, the boys in question should not be shielded from this controversy.

When my son was younger, we looked into scouting for him. He would've loved it, everything about scouting suited his temperament and interests. However, when we sat him down to talk about what it would mean, we also mentioned that in the news recently there had been some issues with discrimination against gays in the BSA, and he needed to know that so that when and if other scouts made inappropriate comments, he would be prepared to challenge them. We were willing to let him do it as long as he would not be affected by the anti-gay sentiments of the organization.

But my son, even at the age of eight, made the decision that HE did not want to be a part of an organization that discriminated against homosexuals. It was an informed decision that he has never regretted, even as he watched his peers who participate in scouting do things he would've loved to do.

We're very proud of him for taking a stand, and I hope it illustrates that this is not something for parents to decide FOR their sons. They may be kids, but they have opinions and consciences of their own. It would be wrong to keep them from making their own choices in these matters because adults want to hide the occasional nastiness of the world.

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» RE: Boys should be informed, too Posted by: riverwatcher
» RE: Boys should be informed, too Posted by: hairball600
Secular
Posted by: secular on May 26, 2005 6:28 PM   
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BSA also prohibits membership for nonbelievers. The usual reason is than one must belong to some religion to be a moral person. This is no more than self-serving bigotry.

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» RE: Secular Posted by: skeptic
» RE: Secular Posted by: dibbus1987
Happy with Policies
Posted by: dibbus1987 on Mar 15, 2006 8:15 AM   
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Gee, sorry, but you wacky liberals out there need to get over it. I don't want my son going on camping trips with a gay leader, it's hard enough keeping them safe from child molesters and such. I am not saying that gays are necessarily child molesters, but why tempt fate? Not to mention it is a sin to practice homosexuality (look in the bible) and I don't want my son to think that it's okay because he has a role model like that. And I do want him in an organization that requires Duty to God. If there were more of that in this world, we wouldn't be such a screwed up society. We need to get back to the ideals and morals of a past era.

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