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Let the Workers Come

By Peter Laufer, AlterNet. Posted May 9, 2005.


Try as we have, we can't shut down the economic-driven migration of Mexicans. And, contrary to Schwarzenegger's wishes, we shouldn't try. They need the jobs and we need the workers.
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Our immigrant governor stunned Californians last week by praising the work of the Minutemen, an armed citizens' group patrolling the U.S.- Mexican border in Arizona. "They've done a terrific job," Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared during an interview Thursday on a right-wing Los Angeles radio talk show. "They have cut down the crossing of illegal immigrants by a huge percentage."

Those remarks came barely a week after Schwarzenegger bellowed in a policy speech to scores of newspaper publishers at San Francisco's Fairmont Hotel: "Close the borders. Close the borders in California, and all across Mexico and the United States."

Even though the governor later modified his statement -- he meant "secure the borders," he explained -- Schwarzenegger is still pursuing a flawed policy, however politically expedient he thinks cracking down on illegal immigration may be. Plenty of Americans openly advocate closing the border. Witness the so-called Minutemen camped out on the Arizona border this month, adventurers (President Bush called them "vigilantes") trying to scare Mexicans from coming north across the desert.

An immediate step toward solving the tragic chaos on our southern border is just the opposite: Open the border to Mexicans who wish to come north. Trouble is, try as we have -- whether it be with the official Border Patrol or the concerned citizen playing self-appointed soldier -- we can't shut down the economic-driven migration of Mexicans. And we shouldn't try. Almost any determined Mexican who wishes to come north manages to make the trip; the federal government estimates that a million do so annually. Along the way, many are victimized by harsh desert conditions, thieving smugglers and violent bandits. But the U.S. laws against crossing the international border without proper documentation don't stop them. That's because they know they will find work in el Norte. They need the jobs and we need the workers.

Anyone who takes even a casual look at the border crisis quickly realizes our immigration policy regarding Mexicans is a fraud. Because we require workers, we offer them jobs. Laws against employing undocumented workers are barely enforced. A Border Patrol that can't stop the Mexican march north doesn't maintain the troop strength to bust down business doors and inspect green cards, especially businesses owned by generous contributors to Washington politicians. Honest employers are at a disadvantage, too, because of the sophisticated nationwide trade in counterfeit documents.

Even if the policing manpower were available, the government doesn't have the political stomach to use the military to seal the border. The result is an out-of-control no-man's-land, with our cooks and gardeners, our maids and nannies literally running across the desert to their jobs.

The governor is correct: This wide-open border does pose a national security threat. We do not know who is hiding in the shadows of the Mexicans coming north to work. But instead of following Schwarzenegger's call to close the borders, we should regularize the traffic of Mexicans who wish to come north to work. Invite them to pass through border checkpoints with no restrictions other than registering. With this simple change in policy, we will at least know who is coming north legally. And if we know who and how many actually are joining us here, the government can plan for their assimilation. We'll be in an improved position to provide adequate schooling and health care. Ignorant and ill immigrants serve no one.

But more important, with this policy of an open border for Mexicans, we will give the Border Patrol a chance to stop the marauders we do not want in our country: the terrorists and drug traffickers, the known common criminals and people smugglers. Right now, despite record numbers in uniform, the Border Patrol cannot secure our southern border because the sheer number of Mexicans coming north overwhelms them and their sophisticated tracking equipment. If you remove the Mexican workers from the hordes illegally pushing north each night, if those Mexicans are passing unimpeded through official border stations, then the ratio of Border Patrol officers to truly illegal migrants vastly improves in favor of the cops. They will be able to stop the border crossers we do not want in our midst.

With the United States open to those Mexicans that the U.S. economy wants and needs, the Border Patrol will know that the people trying to break into this country -- the ones in the tunnels, running across the desert and jumping fences -- are the real villains.

Of course, this solution isn't perfect. Some Mexicans who are criminals will take advantage of the policy change and migrate with the workers, just as they do now. Central Americans and others who wish to come to the United States to work will be discriminated against by this favorable opportunity for Mexicans. But there is an argument to be made that because of our shared border and history, Mexicans constitute a special immigration category deserving first consideration.

We should, however, forget the fair-play aspect of this solution. For selfish reasons alone, it makes sense: We get the workers we need and we create a more secure post-Sept. 11 border.

This piece originally appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle.

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Peter Laufer is a Bay Area journalist and author, most recently, of "Wetback Nation: The Case for Opening the Mexican-American Border" (Ivan R. Dee, 2004).

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Mr.
Posted by: lobdillj on May 9, 2005 3:33 AM   
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Excuse me, but this is insanity. This nation is exporting American jobs at warp speed because American corporations don't want to pay Americans a living wage. Wal-Mart is telling applying suppliers that if they want to do business with Wal-Mart they need to open factories in China.

Those well-paying American jobs going overseas are not being replaced with jobs paying an equivalent wage. Unemployment figures belie the state of our economy because they don't account for those who have given up looking for a decent job and those who have accepted a job in the service sector at substandard wages.

Our Mexican border is drawing 3 million illegal immigrants each year into our country. Why? Because the Jolly Green Giant and Archer Daniels Midland and the other oligarchs of agriculture don't want to pay a living wage to American workers.

And because corporate America wants to depress American wages our government is not enforcing our immigration laws. I'm tired of hearing the whining about poor Mexicans who just want to work. It's time to close our Mexican border not only because it's the law, not only because it is insane from a National Security standpoint, but because it's time to pay attention to the poverty of our own middle class, who are rapidly becoming the poor.

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Yes, Close the Borders and See What Happens!
Posted by: SteveSouth on May 9, 2005 5:32 AM   
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We should close the borders to stop illegal immigration and then make sure that we have deported all the illegals back to their respective countries. That way everyone can see how much we depend on their labor and finally the government will put a sane guest workers program into place. It is all driven by economics and by hitting the corporations in their pocketbooks they will demand that we get a better policy into place.

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As wrong as "Mission Accomplished"
Posted by: pzo on May 9, 2005 6:03 AM   
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I have Quaker Friends who believe in this same claptrap while they go around bemoaning the death of unions and living wages. DOH! The two are connected! Why is the minimum wage at barely over half of what it should be, compared to the 1960's? Because there is relatively little upward pressure as long as we have fresh, low wage "meat."

As to "who would do the work?", look around, go into your low income neighborhoods. No, they aren't going to "do the work" for $5 and hour. But $10? $15? Some of our native born Americans will decide that doing dishes at a wage like that is honorable and beats going to jail for petty drug sales.

Ask yourself, were the dishes not being washed, the houses not being built, the grass not being mowed before this invasion of cheap labor? Of course they were! I learned about knocking on doors and asking for work, and mowed lawns for 50 cents. Today's teenagers look out of the window as Jose mows the lawn.

If we threw the borders open, we would become strangers in our own nation. Already I can't understand half the clerks in McDonalds.

Lest you think I'm just some racist old fart, I offer this as my creds: Once or twice a year I drive to Mexico's Sierra Madre visiting the small towns - no tourist joints - and get to know the people. I have brough a Jeep load of Christmas presents which I hand out to yelling, excited throngs of kids happy to get a pen and a toy car. I love the average Mexican and I have learned a great deal from my friendships and time spent there. Maybe I'll retire there.

America cannot solve the world's economic ills. After all, we are essentially a third world nation ourselves now. We import manufactured goods and export raw materials and food. We are in debt. We have dubious elections. We have increasing income disparity. We just happen to still have the trappings of success.

Visit www.numbersusa.com (I hope I got that right.) Lots of amazing, dispassionate analysis on the numbers involving immigration and population growth.

We cannot invite millions of poorly educated people into this country without our average level of education going down, and the resultant demographic effects. If we continue, we will bring the failed Mexican culture into the US.

pzo

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Martin
Posted by: martin on May 9, 2005 6:12 AM   
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I must admit to just a tinge of resentment towards this article and your pathos and facts about who does the work in this country mentality. Coming from working class uneducated first generation American Caucasian parentage, who's own struggle included surviving the Great Depression... and a buddy can ya spare a dime, sort of ideology from which sprang many great worker and Union movements--without regard to race or nation or origin, I know who has the potential to do work in this country. I too have worked in your "pastures of plenty..,cuttin that wheat and stakin that hay", washing dishes, working in "The Grapes of Wrath", picking fruit along with Mexican migrant workers. I was fortunate enough to escape a dying automobile manufacturing industrial city to attend University. Many are not so fortunate. Most of my old childhood friends are probably dead or in jail.
Unfortunately, Mexican and other migrant workers are exploited for their very willingness to work for the pittance of money that most Americans now a days would not even consider. Their willingness and ability to do this work renders them subject to exploitation by the multinational corporations who stand to profit. It's a vicious cycle. They come to this country, sometimes illegally to better their conditions and are exploited for their willingness to be paid wages that are better than they would have gotten back home, yet are substandard for most Americans.
I sympathize with the situation, yet feel that their is a more legitimate solution. Limited legal immigration, without regard to race or nation of origin, is one possible solution. Rewarding illegal immigration, and creating a situation where we are dependent on these workers exploitation in order to maintain our standard of living is not a solution in my opinion.
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Isn't Arnie from immigrant stock?
Posted by: gazevans on May 9, 2005 6:14 AM   
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What a plonker!

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jimtom
Posted by: jpramelis on May 9, 2005 6:30 AM   
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Many well meaning progressives don't understand the dynamics of the economics of the border. I did Social Work in a heavily agricultural area of Florida and speak enough Spanish to get by.Legal Latinos, and poor whites and blacks will do agricultural work but they want minimum wage, workman's comp if they get hurt on the job, a "port a potty" to go to the bathroom in, water to wash thier hands in and a break for lunch in a 12 hour day. Undocumented workers will work for less than minimum wage, go the toilet in a ditch, not demand to wash their hands after (remember that is your food they are picking) and if they get hurt they go to the local hospital for free services which eventually you pay for too. UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS ARE GOOD FOR AGRIBUSNINESS AND THE RICH MAN, THEY HURT THE WORKERS OF THE USA.It is truly a social justice issue and a working class issue and those who want to "open the borders" side with the oppressors.

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Why Unions Matter
Posted by: apodapa on May 9, 2005 6:39 AM   
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There is a company in Pompano Beach, Florida call Immaculate Reflections. They are commerical cleaning contractors and service chain retailers and restaurnats such as Longohorn Steakhouse and WholeFoods Market. At this very moment every one of their "independent contractors" who do the cleaning are undocumented workers from Brazil. The company has a very high turnover of "employees" since they short the wages, accuse the cleaners of stealing and dock their wages, pay no FIFA, payroll taxes, or health benefits. Now, can anyone tell me why this is good for America?
Tyson foods was caught transporting undocumented workers from Mexico to work in their chicken factories. How is that good for America?
Walmart employs undocumetned workers to clean their stores. How is that good for America?
Thes are bu three of thousands of examples of Corporation taking advantage of weak unions, deregulation, unenforced labor laws.

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Illegal Immigration
Posted by: Sandra on May 9, 2005 6:57 AM   
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The government of this county is not enforcing our immigration laws. When people cross our borders without going through the legal immigration process they are breaking the law. When businesses hire them without proper identification they are breaking the law. These illegal immigrant workers are providing very cheap labor for businesses and the tax payers are picking up the tab for associated social and medical costs. American workers are displaced from jobs because of the low wages accepted by illegal immigrant workers. And of course there are the border security issues. I regret that the conditions in some countries are so bad that their people must leave to find work to support their families. I regret that people sometimes lose their lives in making the journey to this country. I also regret that people who are legal residents of this country are being impacted by the loss of jobs to these illegal immigrants and that the legal citizens of this country are paying the bills for illegal immigration. I regret that our government will not address the issues related to illegal immigration.

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We need illegals to work here
Posted by: Pepper on May 9, 2005 6:59 AM   
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EXCUSE ME????? Where in the world do YOU live and where have you been? Do you not know what is going on in this country??? The real unemployment rate among Americans is 23% including those no longer on Unemployment insurance, that is over 17 million Americans out of work. In the construction industry alone, Americans have applied and been turned down for jobs since the "ILLEGALS" have them. I am for immigration done properly, including shots for diseases which they bring up here if they are not screened.

Are you not aware of the reemergence of diseases that had been practically eradicated from this country? They are being brought in by illegals. Heps a, b, and c are now reaching epidemic proportions, TB has reemerged and a slew of other human waste related diseases and we are exposing our children and old people to these all for the almighty greed of those like yourself. I bet $20 you have illegals working for you CHEAPLY. Don't pay them a living wage and they all get to live 20 to a home which is not safe either.

I can't believe what I am reading. No wonder the President is doing this, its people like you with no caring and compassion for your fellow Americans who gives him the impetus to sell us out wholesale. Your both traitors to this nation. Both of you! I also know 80% of Americans agree with me. Thank goodness your a minority on this view.

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SLOW DOWN...
Posted by: BenjamminH on May 9, 2005 8:08 AM   
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Having read the article and all the comments, I think we need to slow down and look at the situation.
1. As many responders noted, the major problem is that this country does not offer a living wage for many jobs, and our economy has become a service economy totally dependent on those jobs.
2. The Mexican government (and US economic policy) have allowed corruption and economic stagnation to fester in Mexico.
3. Studies have found that when immigration laws are relaxed, immigrants are LESS of a drain on the host country's economic resources, both public and private.

That being said, points #1 and #2 shoudl be addressed long before we look at #3 if we are to have a just AND economically vibrant hemisphere, and world.

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Bruce E. Erickson
Posted by: Bruce E. Erickson on May 9, 2005 8:26 AM   
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Horse feathers! There is an abundance of workers in this country dying to find work. Letting wetbacks in flies in the face of the sincere hard workers and citizens of this country and the power brokers of Mexico smile the whole time. Illegal
aliens is another word for damn cheap labor to bolster the profits. When business types in this country decide to treat the native worker in this country as they have been treated with all kinds of special considerations, then they will have all the good labor they need

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nothing easy about this problem
Posted by: profmarcus on May 9, 2005 8:35 AM   
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yes, u.s. businesses are addicted to cheap labor...

yes, u.s. businesses do not pay living wages for low-level jobs...

yes, it is difficult to impossible for most u.s. workers to exist on the wages currently paid to legal and illegal immigrant workers...

yes, u.s. businesses are trying to compete with cheap labor in other countries...

yes, there is a ton of pressure from u.s. businesses on bush to NOT RESTRICT illegal immigration that would stop the flow of cheap labor...

yes, there is a ton of pressure on bush from many other quarters to SEVERELY RESTRICT and possibly even halt immigrant worker flow across the border...

yes, mexico and other latin american countries have serious problems in corruption and in not insuring living-wage jobs for their own citizens which make coming to the u.s. very attractive...

yes, the flow of immigrant labor over the border provides (as it has for many years) a safety valve for mexico to the extent that, if the border were to be sealed tomorrow, there would likely be a revolution in mexico within 6 months...

here is an issue that, as much as any issue can, rolls up nearly all of the current problems of globalization, free trade, the economy, immigration, border security, unemployment, corporate greed, the failures of the bush administration, and probably lots more, into one big ugly mess...

anyone who advocates for a simple solution to this issue is seriously naive - because there isn't one...

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Global economy
Posted by: hoping4abetter2morrow on May 9, 2005 9:09 AM   
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When will we accept & be comfortable with the fact that we are a global economy? Instead of 'real' Americans & Mexicans, we must realize we are fast becoming a world w/o borders, at least economically. Let's work together -- we will find the solution quicker that way. We've watched other nations fight over borders for hundreds of years & it has never be to the advantage of either. Learn from past mistakes? Good concept!

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DWSTAR
Posted by: dwstar on May 9, 2005 9:38 AM   
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Well it may be insanity but all these middle class and upper class white Americans--soccer moms included-- don't mind hiring illegals as roofers, gardners, bar backs, deli workers, cleaning people, maids, nannies and all the other jobs their poor middle class kin don't want...The actions of this militia is racist and only interested in protecting the homogeny of the white majority...As a Mexican American whose family's land was stolen by the US government in New Mexico after the Mexican American war, I appauld all those people who are brave enough to escape the misery and poverty of the corrupt Mexican government and come here to do the work that your whining suburban kids are too good to do. These people are Americans too, in the truest sense of the word, probably even more American than any second generation Irishman sitting at the border with assualt rifle ready to shoot to kill....
Why don't these phony patriots go sit outside the corporate headquarters of giant American co's who are selling the manufacturing base of this country off to SE Asia?
Why don't they protest NAFTA which stripped ingenious people in Mexico of their rights to own the land that they farmed?
Why don't protest Wal-Mart for their reprehensible policies? Because they probably drive their hummers to the local Wal-Mart to buy their bullets.
These people are racists pure and simple...This is no different than the push by Union leaders in the late 1800's to drive out the Chinese from the U.S. Their racist activity lead to the Chinese exclusion act and some of the worst race riots in the history of the West.
I usually don't agree with Mr. Bush, but it is clear that he understands that there must be a sensible policy to encourage registration of workers coming into this country...
I completely disagree with the Free Trade Area of the Americas, NAFTA and the IMF and World Bank which has caused much of the misery which forces these desperate people to come to the US--to find a better life.
But as most things in the US, the gun speaks louder than the law...We can only hope that one of these phony cowboy, pari-military jerks doesn't kill somebody.

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Endangered Consumers
Posted by: rkewen on May 9, 2005 9:46 AM   
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This whole "globalization" process is obviously going to take awhile to shake down. But, once almost everyone has been either reduced to sub-minimum wage or replaced by illegals who will work for even less, who will buy any products? Then where will Corporate Profits come from.

In a fair economy one needs to sell a service or product to earn income. Henry Ford, no raving liberal by any definition of the word, virtually doubled the going manufacturing worker pay of his day because he realized that he wouldn't be able to sell many cars if only rich people could buy them. A healthy economy requires consumers with money to spend, and this ongoing attack on the middle class by the Corporate eilite will ultimately lead to the self-inflicted death of the Corporations. That is if this crap is allowed to run its course without being accelerated by armed revolution. I'm am always surprised that the the corporate lackeys who run Washington DC are so willing to defend the right of every American to own and operate his own assault rifle or almost any weapon short of an ICBM, I guess it just illustrates their inability to logically understand the consequences of their own policies on anything more long range than the next quarterly report.

Unfortunately this selfish and shortsighted approach to policy extends to other areas, most importantedly energy and enviromental issues. As a result economic and political questions may become moot before this silly, regressive and ultimately self-defeating globalization process has a chance to play out.

Hmmm......General Motors may be going bankrupt - and this is a surprise?

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Talon
Posted by: Talon on May 9, 2005 10:00 AM   
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Yes, oh yes we need this form of "slavery," don't we? Geez! Since the white man can't openly purchase slaves in the streets anymore, he needs these that come over willingly into the new indentured slavery. "We need them?" Why? Can't we take care of oursleves? If we cannot, then we are pathetic. It's turning into a cesspool here, so let's make it more so. . .sheesh!

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Minutemen-Strikers, Illegals-Scabs
Posted by: cry0fan on May 9, 2005 10:40 AM   
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I got nothing against mexicans in general. I even have relatives who are mexican.

But what we have here is corporations, the govt and the media conspiring to bring in cheap labor. We used to call those kinds of people "scabs". And the Minutemen are walking the picket lines.

And of course they brainwash the so-called liberals to demonize anyone who protests (e.g., Minutemen) as racists. They is how they establish ideological hegemony. We saw the same thing decades ago when so many so-called conservatives Americans were demonizing other Americans who espoused socialist viewpoints.

The Americans today who are against mass immigration and illegal immigrants are the new commies. Except now it is the brainwashed "liberals" who are demonizing them, instead of brainwashed "conservatives."

Hey, Liberals, think of what you are doing. THe elite rule on the Republican AND Democratic side. All you liberal demonizers are doing is the dirty work of the elite. Same as it ever was....

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Here's a solution
Posted by: SteveB on May 9, 2005 10:44 AM   
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We need to organize immigrant workers so they can demand better pay and treatment on the job. That's the only way we're going to raise wages for everyone, both immigrant and non-immigrant.

The sad thing about this debate is that people who want more of a backlash against immigrants are helping to increase the exploitation of immigrant workers and drive wages down for all of us.

Anything we do that makes immigrant workers less secure just makes it easier for employers to exploit them (nothing like the threat of deportation to kill a union drive) and that means lower wages for everyone.

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Why can't immigrants vote in America, huh?
Posted by: cry0fan on May 9, 2005 10:45 AM   
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Now you go and ask all these so-called liberals whether illegals who work here and live here should be able to vote. I say they should be able to vote. THey pay taxes here. Ever heard of taxation without representation? Same things goes for legal immigrants. It takes them many years and 1000s of $ before they are able to vote? I thought poll taxes were illegal in America?

But if you ask all these so called liberals about this, they will say that illegals and new immigrants should not be able to vote. That's cuz most so called liberals are really just sheeple and think whatever the elite tell them to think.

Ever heard of neoslavery?

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CORINNE
Posted by: CH on May 9, 2005 12:22 PM   
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Opening our borders to illegal aliens because "somebody needs cheap labor" is yet another ploy by corporate America to achieve an underhanded subsidy. These people do not have car insurance, and have accidents. They do not have health insurance, and they need medical care. Who pays for this? Law abiding U.S. citizens. The employers get cheap labor and do not provide benefits. Slave labor is not good for anyone. Close the borders to illegal immigration and force the corporate fat-cats to pay living wages.

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Do we REALLY need the workers?
Posted by: Lathor on May 9, 2005 12:34 PM   
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Maybe yes, maybe no. Who is really hiring these people? Is it individuals hiring gardeners, cleaners, nannies, etc. who are providing the economic incentive for the border crossers? Or, is it large corporations (including factory farms) that provide the bulk of the wages that encourage people to risk their lives to come here illegally? I suspect the latter. Why? Because they can. There seems to be little or no enforcement of our so-called immigration policy (whatever it really is). We rail against the flood of illegals, but even if we knew who all the corporations that were hiring them, would we boycott them? Write letters of protest to their boards of directors? Or would we quietly, sheepishly (and hypocritically) continue to do business with them, because of their "always low prices"?

I think the writer has a point. If we did actually "register" anyone who wanted to come over the border, we would know who they were, just as (presumably) we know who is flying in from everywhere else. Maybe we require everyone to have a passport to cross the border. Maybe then we would actually KNOW how many people are really crossing, and have some means of tracking them once they are here...and put the human smugglers out of business. The current "system" is a travesty. As has been continuously noted, the illegal workforce is ripe for exploiting, and as long as nothing changes, the situation does not improve. We will never know if Americans will do "those jobs" as long as we have a steady stream of illegals who will. Those with fake papers often end up paying into the system, so even the government is benefitting, though the benefits do not come back to us (the legitimate taxpayers).

It's time to find out if we really "need" these workers...or if it's a myth perpetuated by the low wage paying, non-insurance supplying, union hating corporations who seem to have the government in their pockets and whose executives skim the resulting huge profits with impunity.

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Bottom Line: NO JOBS, NO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS
Posted by: recj50 on May 9, 2005 12:39 PM   
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illegal immigrants would not be an issue in this country if business did not hire them. It is the businesses that are breaking the law or looking the other way and hiring illegal immigrants. Government should be going after these businesses with fines and maybe jail sentences. This would put a quick end to the illegal immigrant issue.

However, the government is also looking the other way since the very business that hire illegal immigrants also make campaign contributions. A politician who wants to keep his contributors isn't going to put them in jail for hire illegal immigrants.

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Border should be a managed border
Posted by: amitdahiya on May 9, 2005 4:03 PM   
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Hi,
The economic migration from south of US border is affecting the economic viability of unskilled labor market in the nation. If the border is left un managed where every person has a right to work in US and go back to south of border we would have this large migrating population which would have no intrest in integrity of US than mere paycheck. Also southern American nations should look at developing its own infrastructure and make things better for its people. If every smart guy in these nations would only think of moving to US than who is going to take care of their respective countries. Movement of people from southern American nations for education and business should be unrestricted. This will lead to large outflow of the export of ideas from US. When the president of Mexico says that its Mexicans their God given right to go to US and work illegally, he is trying to raise euphoria and asking peole of his country to break laws of its neighbor. President Fox by saying that wants its citizens to take thier minds of the corrupt government which exists there. Every nation should take pride in itself and its people and their work. Southern American nations should create their own jobs and make a better economy. Ameica an Americans should take pride in protecting our borders from any infiltration by foreigners weather its for economic reasons or otherwise.
Amit

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Americans have spoken
Posted by: eatherfor on May 9, 2005 5:27 PM   
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The recent rejection in the senate of the AGs worker bill, which was really just another amnesty deal, should speak volumes as to how Americans feel about illegal immigration. We are tired of hearing the rhetoric, illegals take jobs Americans will not, that is preposterous. Americans will be willing to take any job that provides a living wage, and like I've said on many occasions, any employer that refuses to pay a living wage, does'nt need to be in business. With all the American jobs being outsourced overseas, our governments attempts at importing cheap labor is reprehensible ,and a slap in this citizenerys face.

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No way, Jose
Posted by: skydog on May 9, 2005 6:51 PM   
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It's fairly easy to fancy yourself riding a high horse when you're making a decent buck by the laborious task of pushing ink around on paper. When someone comes across the border illegally and will work for less than market wage in your industry, it's another matter all together.

Please spare me the rhetoric that these illegals are taking jobs that Americans don't want. Just park yourself on any street corner in Little Mexico and watch as the stream of non-union building contractors pull up and signal so many to hop in the back of the pickup. And that's but one example.

Indeed, if illegals are taking jobs Americans don't want, it's because they have depressed wages so dramatically that it's becoming impossible for an American to find a position that will actually pay a wage that supports the American dream.

The sad fact is: the right wing politicos want labor who'll do anything for ten bucks an hour, and the left wingers think their political power is growing. Meanwhile, us regular citizens out here trying to scratch together a living in this Bush-league economy are left to cry in the wilderness: "Stop this madness!!"

The only good news is, despite considerable media effort to convince us to accept the "inevitable," near unanimous public outcry consistently indicates that the propaganda isn't working.

I say: employers hiring illegals should face jail time. Period. Illegals, when discovered, should be deported and required to come in through regular channels, just like our forefathers did.

I say deputize the Minutemen, train them, pay them a small stipend to cover their expenses, put them in subservient positions to real border enforcement agents so their actions can be monitored, and encourage more of them along both borders.

And finally, I say open the border only to wine sipping, hors d'oeuvre gorging, pinkie-extending, silver-spoon-in-mouth opinion piece writers who never had to actually work a single goddamn day in their life, and hire just a whole cotton-pickin' gaggle of them for substandard wages at the Chronicle and every other paper across the country.

As wonderful and hard working illegal immigrants might be, this hard-core liberal believes in putting AMERICANS FIRST, as quaint, dated, or cliche that might sound to the self-appointed intelligensia.

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How to become a Third World Country
Posted by: Quechick Barnyard on May 9, 2005 11:47 PM   
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How to become a 3rd world country?

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No Job
Posted by: McForgetful on May 10, 2005 11:33 AM   
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As an American citizens, I have been turned down for a job for an illegal. Same pay, same job. The author is NOT an American. He puts federal law breaking illegals before an American Vet who needs a job. Six years in the United States Navy for our way of life and I can not get a job because it goes to an illegal. Forgive me, but our flag doesn't look the same any more.

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What happened in Meatpacking?
Posted by: chuckrightmire on May 28, 2005 1:05 PM   
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I'm late to this discussion, but I remember a few years ago that the INS decided to raid meatpackers in, as I remember, Nebraska. They turned up a number of illegals and turned them out. But when they went to move onto other states, someone, somewhere shut them down.

While some of the vitriol on this site seems to me to be over the top, I dislike it because I don't think it deals with the problems rationally. We have, it seems to me, two options with possible combinations of them. One is to close the border to everything, including products from Mexico. In other words, eliminate CAFTA, NAFTA, don't approve the new CAFTA and place a high tariff on goods which come from countries which don't pay our scale to their workers and don't have to meet our environmental regulations. Make the prices equal to what we would pay for goods produced in this company. The World Trade Organization would scream to Olympus and beyond, but we might be better able to control the flow of people across our border.

But as long as we are going to export our jobs and import the low cost goods those jobs produce, it seems to me that our borders should be open to the people who produce those goods as well as the goods. Regulation, of business, of trade, of immigration works much better than trying to close the borders in the current state of the world. As a second point about regulating the borders is a thought that if the workers were legal, maybe they would be more open to unionization. Let's face it, savings from corporate size come mostly because the bigger companies can bust the unions, as IBP did years ago in meatpacking.

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