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Justin Sane's Military Free Zone

By John Malkin, AlterNet. Posted April 27, 2005.


Anti-Flag's Justin Sane's activism didn't stop (or start) with the 2004 presidential election. His latest project? Fighting the military recruitment provision in the No Child Left Behind legislation.

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Justin Sane is lead singer and guitarist with the punk band Anti-Flag. He grew up in Pennsylvania and formed a band in 1988 with drummer Pat Thetic. They developed the sound that became Anti-Flag and later toured worldwide with Green Day, NOFX and Rage Against The Machine. Their albums include Terror State and Death of a Nation.

Justin Sane and Anti-Flag have always been dedicated to social change, from the movement to free Mumia Abu Jamal to encouraging youth voter participation in the 2004 U.S. presidential elections. In 2003 they formed the Underground Action Alliance and currently they have formed an organization called the Military Free Zone to challenge military recruitment in high schools.

The following interview was broadcast live on Radio Free Santa Cruz on March 21, 2005.

John Malkin: I want to welcome you to Free Radio Santa Cruz.

Justin Sane: Thanks so much for having me. It is a pleasure to be here.

You have devoted a lot of energy to social change in your music making. The latest project you are involved with is the military free zone. You have been working with members of Congress and others to resist a provision of the No Child Left Behind legislation. Tell me about that act and how it relates to military recruitment in high schools.

There is a provision that is buried in the No Child Left Behind Act. If you attend a public high school, your school system is required to turn over your private information to the U.S. military unless you opt out. 'Opt out' means that you need to turn in a form, signed by a guardian or a parent, stating that you do not want the military to have your private information. It is basically the exact opposite of the age-old school permission slip, where if you wanted to go on a school field trip or if you wanted the school to give out your private information, you had to turn in a form signed by your parent saying that it was OK. Instead, the school is going to give away your private information to the military, specifically for recruitment targeting, unless you hand in a form telling them not to do so.

Of course, 99 percent of the population really knows nothing about this provision in the No Child Left Behind Act. Most public schools haven't bothered to tell their students and they're simply giving their students' information out. When we heard about that, obviously, we were dumbfounded. It is just another example of the arrogance of this Bush administration. And the arrogance of the people who drafted this ridiculous piece of legislation that is supposedly going to be something that is good for children's education. This is the kind of stuff that the young people in this country are made disillusioned by, I believe. It is one of things that make me feel disillusioned. We felt like we needed to make kids aware of this, especially because they are our main audience. They are the people who we usually connect to with our music.

You have just launched a national "Opt Out" campaign and petition drive to end this involuntary military recruitment in High Schools. Tell me about how you originally began working on this issue with Congresspeople, like Jim McDermott (D-Wash.), Pete Stark (D-Calif.) and Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).

Well, first of all, we decided to launch a national campaign. The goal of the campaign was to let kids know that they could opt out and that they could protect their private information. Unfortunately, it was going to take a little bit of work on their part, but there is an option where they can protect their private information. Secondly, we wanted to start a petition drive so that we could collect tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of signatures, so that we can go back to Congress and we can say to them, "Look, you drafted this legislation. People are not happy with it and it needs to be changed."

We built a web site called militaryfreezone.org. At that web site, there is an opt out form that you can download and print out. There is a petition that you can sign. There is all kinds of information to help you inform others and you can send a letter to your congressperson.

Luckily, in the build up to the 2004 presidential election, we met Congressmember Jim McDermott in Seattle when we were on the Rock Against Bush Tour, a tour which was part of the drive to register as many young voters as we possibly could. Congressmember McDermott is certainly an ally in ideology. He worked with us on a number of things with the Rock Against Bush campaign. When we informed him about this provision buried in the No Child Left Behind Act, he said, "Come to Washington. Let's launch your campaign on Capitol Hill. We'll do a press conference. I am certainly willing to back you guys." He is a Navy veteran, so it sort of gives us a little bit of credibility and maybe we'll reach some of the right wingers or people that are a little more into militarism who wouldn't necessarily take us as seriously. So, he invited us to Capitol Hill and we went there and did a press conference with him on March 17. Also there were Reps. Woolsey and Stark, who were also willing to back us on this campaign.


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John Malkin is a journalist and musician who hosts a weekly radio program on Free Radio Santa Cruz (www.freakradio.org). A book of his interviews with musicians -- 'Sounds of Freedom' -- will be released on May 1 by Parallax Press.

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Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net on Apr 27, 2005 3:24 AM   
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I get this picture of a conveyor belt unloading coffins at Andrews AFB, with "No Child Left Behind" stamped on the side of each.

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Turning public opinion against the Iraq folly
Posted by: FrankCorey on Apr 27, 2005 4:55 AM   
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This blog combines the obligation of all Americans to take care of the troops with the in-our-face example of folly the unwinnable Vietnam War to turn public opinion against the Iraq War.

Those who opposed a repeat of the Vietnam War (That unwinnable war killed over 58,000 troops, wounded over 300,000, inflicted emotional scars on countless more, and severely damaged the military.) are not the ones that made our troops Nam fodder. Those who supported the Iraq invasion are the ones that made our troops Nam fodder.

Citizenship requires knowing what is going on and taking care of the country. This makes it a virtual lock that our troops will not be Nam fodder. Given the lessons of the Vietnam War, it was a no-brainer to be against the Iraq War from the get-go.

George Bush, Dick Cheney, 77 senators, and 296 representatives were for the Iraq War. Overwhelmingly, mainstream Americans were about being politically correct instead of taking care of the country, so they were for the America-damaging Iraq War and thus for making the troops and the military Nam fodder. Mainstream Americans talk the talk pro-troops and pro-military and walk the walk anti-troops and anti-military, and they have not been called on their anti-troops and anti-military performance. Confronting Nam foddering strong arms mainstream Americans into doing now what they should have been doing from day one—taking care of the troops and the military. Confronting Nam foddering undermines support for the Iraq War.

The Iraq War is a catastrophe that the troops cannot change. To support the troops and the military today is to actively work to get the troops out of Iraq now. There are adverse short-term and adverse long-term effects to the Iraq War. These adverse effects have lives of their own. These adverse effects and getting the troops out of Iraq now are separate and must be treated as separate. End Nam foddering now is one thing. Dealing with the adverse effects of the Iraq War is another thing. Copyright © 2005 Frank Corey

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Shut Up and Sing
Posted by: GeneK on Apr 27, 2005 10:11 AM   
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You insipid moron.

Your facts are wrong, your statements misleading and all you're doing is spewing rhetoric and talking points.

Linking federal funding for a school to providing information/ services for the federal gov't/military is nothing new. Have you ever heard of a land-grant school?

Actually, I want to change the title of this post to "Keep up the Good Work". Dolts like you, Moore, Sarandon, Robbins and the rest of the Hollywood elites were terrific in getting out GWB's message.

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BS
Posted by: Iron Yuppie on Apr 27, 2005 1:34 PM   
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First of all, if public schools want federal dollars, then the Feds should be able to receive concessions from those schools. If the schools and the whiney Justin Sanes of the world don’t like it, then they do not have to accept federal dollars. Their dime, their dance floor. Secondly, I also find it a bit interesting that Sane is lobbying so hard to close down a potential career opportunity for so many kids. Like a lot of people, I went in to the armed forces right out of high school because I didn’t not have anything else to do, and it was one of the best experiences with my life. I learned a skill, got my BS while in uniform, was offered a level of responsibility that most people can only dream of and learned some much needed personal discipline. It bullshit for Sane to try and deny this wonderful experience to others.

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The Next Bono
Posted by: tinto99 on Apr 27, 2005 1:53 PM   
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It amuses me to see musicians start talking politics as if they know what the hell they're dealing with, or better yet as if anybody gives a shit about what they're saying. How about those Opt Out forms? Just what kind of private info are these guys trying to withhold from the feds? Could it be that they used/dealt/sold drugs, participated in gang activity, organized anti-American activities or a host of other crimes that they don't want revealed?

I am always suspicious of people who take such great pains to oppose the gov't, especially in such specific cases where you know everybody's time and effort could be better spent elsewhere. I mean you gotta ask yourself what are they trying to hide?

And how cruel of the armed forces to not give any money to the model soldiers who discharge dishonorably. What a travesty!

As far as the army enjoying some kind of privilege on the school campuses, that's the biggest laugh yet. If they were not afforded the freedoms they allegedly have in school recruitment campaigns, how do you expect them to be on an even playing field with the corporations, not to mention to dispel some of the anti-military/US sentiment so widely propagated on sites such as these, and on campuses everywhere.

I imagine this 'musician' would rather have no recruitment campaigns by the military on school soil at all, if he could help it. But then, who is going to protect his freedom to sit on his sorry ass all day, and smoke up, while writing 'music' with the attendant anarchist lyrics and having deep conversations with McDermott et al.

I enjoyed the bit about these brave Dem politicians supposedly risking their careers, as they pose with the punks (not used in the musical sense). Is there a Dem out there who would not let you put his head in the toilet if it meant you'll vote for him?

This anarchist punk being interviewed was more afraid of uttering the frightening word 'men' when describing the members of Congress. (Congressperson, Congresspeople, Congressmembers(!).) lol The only people allowed to use 'men' nowadays are the rad-fems (no shortage of these creatures on this site) who capitalize it, while blaming all of the world's ills on them, as if purging their pristine mouths of that vile venom!

It sounds like the punk's rad-fem girlfriend has a death grip on this Bono-wannabe's Congressmember, and is squeezing pretty hard.

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The hostility of some of these posts always amazes me
Posted by: zing on Apr 27, 2005 2:27 PM   
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I am always amazed and amused at the hostility displayed by people who disagree with what other people have to say. It's hard to take such comments seriously when the chief complaint is a variation on 'musicians should be musicians and can't be interested in anything else'. God forbid! So because a person is prominent in some way they are somehow barred from thinking and doing about anything else? I doubt that the readers who are so quick to make such judgements apply these standards to themselves. They can do & be interested in things other than being an accountant, or a store clerk, or a student, or whatever, but it's unacceptable for others to? A classic double standard, which makes it hard to take the comments of such people seriously (again).

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MILITARY RECRUITING
Posted by: susan9390 on Apr 27, 2005 7:04 PM   
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THANK YOU JUSTIN!! It amazes me how those sneaky SOBs can take a bill that looks on the surface like its supposed to promote literacy and bury a recruitment scheme in it. I've been to your website, and my letter to the editor to alert parents was published (in a highly abridged and toned-down form) in the local paper last week. The following is the last paragraph of my summary of your information that was published at www.propeace.net.

"YOU CAN HELP by spreading the word in your community about these military activities and taking action by going to www.militaryfreezone.org for a simple but binding form that you can send to your school district to let you opt out of this unsolicited recruitment. You can also contact JustinSane@WorkingForChange.com who is working with Congressman McDermott (WA), Congressman Stark (CA), and Congresswoman Woolsey (CA) to rectify this situation. Besides straightening out the law itself, I hope the military is relegated to its proper place at the job fair like any other potential employer. Or not! Don't they already have enough of an advertising budget?"

I hope you and your supporters will get behind the efforts of Dennis Kucinich and 50+ other Representatives to support the creation of a Cabinet-level Department of Peace. Yeah, like we really need more government departments! But it's a step in the right direction, and it addresses domestic issues as well, like gang violence, hate crimes, school violence, and domestic (child, spouse, elder) abuse. Go to www.thepeacealliance.org to see how you can get involved.

I went to an Earth Day celebration at which one of my fellow '60s hippies was bemoaning the apathy of today's youth. I told her that apparent apathy is often a cover for other emotions like fear and disillusionment. Please help me prove that point. Get involved - at whatever level your conscience will allow. You are not alone!

"Blue in a Red State"

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asinine comments
Posted by: beatpunk on Apr 27, 2005 7:50 PM   
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I just typed a whole angry post and then erased it. It's not worth it. Suffice to say that I just spent all day in the U.S. Army playing the role of an Iraqi insurgent and being shoved face first in the mud and searched head to toe, and I don't think I should waste my time responding to the trolls that have posted earlier. It's just that they always act like they're speaking on my behalf when they spew their republican rhetoric and it makes me so angry I want to scream! Thank you for an article about a band I've been critical of in the past, but still rather enjoyed musically. Oddly enough, I was just listening to "Die for your Government" on the way home from my wonderful day on the job. It always makes me happy to see young people involved with politics and encouraging other young people to vote. Makes me feel like I'm doing a job worthwhile!

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foaming at the mouth.
Posted by: Lava on Apr 27, 2005 8:56 PM   
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Pretty rabid post.

I think the kind of information that "they" are trying to withold from the military is of the PRIVATE kind...you know, the kind that exists between schools, kids and their parents, lawyers and clients, doctors and patients, priests and their flock!

Since many of these students that will invariably be targeted are still minors, the information pertains also to their families, financial situations, psychological, health issues...yeah, again, private information that will be used to tailor a recruiting pitch.

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msluderitz
Posted by: msluderitz on Apr 27, 2005 9:08 PM   
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The criticism heaped upon Mr. Sane was so savage and seething with hatred that I couldn't let it go by without introducing some measure of reason into the conversation.

First of all, the sustenence of our military and the war in Irag should be considered as two separate issues. I served honorably in the U.S. Navy, during the Viet Nam era, and happen to believe that it was a good thing to do. For one thing, it is a way for citizens, who might not otherwise have the opportunity, to serve the country in an important way. Second, military service acts as a great common denominator for enlistees, resulting in friendships that can last a life time despite great geographic distances. Third, I believe it is better to have a military substantially manned by citizens than to rely solely on a professional fighting machine. The Founding Fathers were fittingly distrustful of a standing professional army.

Nevertheless, there should be zero tolerance for promoting wars that serve no predominently just purpose. Wars that are substantially defensive or that have a clear moral purpose rarely go begging for volunteers. World War II is the classic example. Most able bodied men fell all over one another to be first on the front lines. Recruiters were only necessary for completing the paperwork.

The unjust war, however, is a different story. Not surprisingly, no one is in a rush to spill blood when there is no threat to kin and country, and when militaristic motives are murky at best. When the war itself is fraudulent it shouldn't be any wonder that recruiters must engage in dubious pratices to fulfill their quotas. And it seems to me that stalking the halls and parking lots of our nation's High Schools trawling for unsuspecting undergraduates qualifies as highly dubious. When conducted under the cover of a supposedly benevolent education Act such practices qualify as especially dubious in my book. Any suggestion that the measure is needed to compete with corporate recruiters is awfully lame. The only High School corporate recruits I'm aware of are basketball players.

Finally, I am very happy to see folks like Mr. Sane take the initiative to, at the very least, attempt to inform students, who would otherwise be blindsided by over zealous military recruiters, about their alternatives. In too many cases neither their government nor their school will perform that simple courtesy.

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more bob dylans more justine sane
Posted by: slater on Apr 29, 2005 11:37 AM   
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the world needs people who question injustices. like bob dylan, justin sane is thinking for himself and thinking about people and not profit.

anti-flag could sell-out, sing about love, and make a video for MTV and become millionaires over night. they chose the opposite. they chose their soul, their cause, their planet.

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» RE: more bob dylans more justine sane Posted by: warsucksletsparty
A-F rocks
Posted by: burntheflag on May 6, 2005 1:19 PM   
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i totally agree with justin
No child left behind is a bunch of shit
bush is a corperate whore who makes money off the war
we will only get change if we have our voices heard
Anti-Flag rocks i cant wait for the new cd

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Anit-Flag Fan
Posted by: 5-4=Unity on Feb 23, 2006 7:55 PM   
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Anti-Flag's music is great as well as its message. While reading some of the comments left by certain members who took the time to sign up with this website just to bitch at Justin, I realized how incredably think-headed people have become. The user "tinto99" is a prime example. This member thinks that musicians are supposed to be denied the right to speak openly about thier opinions. Justin's message is just as valid as mine, your's, God's and even Georgy's. Now the said user also proclaims that "It amuses me to see musicians start talking politics as if they know what the hell they're dealing with, or better yet as if anybody gives a shit about what they're saying." Well it looks like IT was wrong. Punk culture is flourishing in America's youth and very soon these "punks (not used in the musical sense)" will be voting and electing the politicians they see fit to lead our nation. Now if tinto99 will please THINK before he SPEAKS i think forums will be less inflamitory. I am a high school student and I see America's youth everyday, unlike the person who posted "The Next Bono" (as if saying Bono's multimillion $ donations to charities are just as pointless and stupid as a "lowly rocker's" opinion). Since us punks don't know what the hell we are talking about (not that we know anything about politics of course), why don't we just shut up? Not. As a member of Model UN and a the Political Science club at my school, I probably know more about politics worldwide and on the national scale than you do tinto. Goodnight.

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