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Defending Time

By Brian Montopoli, CJR Daily. Posted April 21, 2005.


The reporter who wrote the much-criticized Time magazine profile of Ann Coulter defends his work -- and lashes out at critics.

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Editor's note: For background on the flap, start here and follow links. Eric Alterman's response to allegations below can be found here.

John Cloud is a staff writer for Time magazine, where he has worked since 1997. Before coming to Time, he was a senior writer at Washington City Paper. He wrote this week's much-discussed Time cover story about Ann Coulter.

Brian Montopoli: First things first: Why did you write the story? Did you pitch it, or did the editors come to you and say, "We want to do a cover on Ann Coulter?"

John Cloud: Last summer, you know, we put Michael Moore on the cover. And, by the way, at that time we didn't get quite the reaction, certainly not from the left, which seemed rather pleased with the cover we did on Michael Moore. You get it from both sides.

As for how the story got suggested, I suggested it after the election. Ann Coulter [it seemed to me] had epitomized the way politics was discussed last year during the election. It was slash-and-burn, on both sides. Her side won, rather decisively, and it seemed the right time to figure out who was this force behind the way our political dialogue was being conducted. Ann Coulter is the person who is shaping the tone of this dialogue in many ways, and I thought it was time to examine her.

One of the criticisms that people have made is that Time has bottom line considerations [that go into] who it puts on the cover, and choosing to put Coulter on the cover reflected either a pursuit of conservative readers or a desire to just put a hot woman on the cover, which is pretty much what the Washington Post's Howard Kurtz said. And let me read you something from Eric Alterman, and just ask you to respond: "Time's cover story/whitewash of Ann Coulter ... will make it impossible for serious people to accept what the magazine reports at face value ever again. It is as if Time had contracted a journalistic venereal disease from Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly and is now seeking to lower itself to their level in pursuit of their ideologically-obsessed audiences."

Well, this is just absurd. A few weeks ago, we put Jeffrey Sachs' book on how to end poverty on the cover. I mean, is that going to be a huge seller for conservatives? We did a piece on television indecency that basically concluded that the FCC had gone too far in regulating television. That was on the cover recently. I don't pick the covers, unfortunately -- I don't have that much power here -- but we did Michael Moore on the cover last summer, we've done, over the years, incredibly flattering covers on Hillary Clinton, on both of the Clintons, multiple times. We did Ann Coulter because she's an interesting figure. I could not care less what conservatives or liberals think of Time magazine's covers, and if people read my work over the years -- I've been a journalist for ten years -- and if you read that body of work I think you'll see that I'm not trying to kiss up to conservatives. And if you look at Time magazine, even over the last month, this idea that we're kissing up to conservatives is wrong.

Plus, who are their sources for this? Did Alterman do any reporting before he made this assertion? I think a pertinent thing about Alterman is that he has said publicly that he will not engage Ann Coulter in debate. He won't go on television with her. So his solution to Ann Coulter is to act as though she doesn't exist ... I don't agree with that approach to people that we don't necessarily like. I think you engage those people in open debate, you get those people to talk about their ideas, and then you weigh those ideas. And my story does that. My story is very fair about her.

I think maybe Eric and Ann are in the same bunch. They also, by the way, use the same language. He calls Ann Coulter a name-caller, but he doesn't do anything in that screed against me except use sort of fancy name-calling. He says [the piece] is a "moral, professional, intellectual abomination" without making an argument about the actual substance of the piece. Instead, he picks up something from David Brock's Web site [Media Matters] and reprints it on MSNBC's website. Now David Brock is a very famous hater of Ann Coulter. They used to be friends, they're not friends anymore. He is also a serial liar. David Brock wrote a whole book saying, 'Oh, my other books? They were lies.' So I don't think David Brock has a lot of credibility on the question of Ann Coulter. And what they are doing is a smear job. That's his other history -- David Brock has a history of smear jobs. And this is a smear job against me personally.

I realize you don't have a lot of faith in what the Media Matters people have been saying. But the one line [from the Time article] that seemed to upset a lot of people on the left was, "Coulter has a reputation for carelessness with facts, and if you Google the words 'Ann Coulter lies,' you will drown in results. But I didn't find many outright Coulter errors." I looked at the Media Matters stuff on Coulter. There were a lot of examples of what seem to me to be errors. Even if you don't think highly of David Brock, how do you respond to that?


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musings on coulter
Posted by: Shakti on Apr 21, 2005 5:08 PM   
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I read the TIME story on Ann Coulter and was struck by a couple of things.

1) The author was definitely portraying her as just another misunderstood celebrity whose public persona should not be taken as the "real Coulter." How hip. Are we to understand that she doesn't really *believe* those things she says? That she is just being controversial to sell books, or whatever? Is the public Coulter to the private Ann what PeeWee Herman was to Paul Reubens? If so, then she is seriously damaging journalism by conflating it with entertainment.

2) If she *does* believe the things she says, then she is deeply psychologically disturbed and should be in therapy; actually since she is a wine-sipping, wealthy, elite, intellectual Manhattanite complete with pointy shoes, she must already have a therapist. With all her East Coast sophistication (including a privileged upbringing), what do all those Red Staters see in her? Is it just her coarseness?

3) She really came across, in my view, as another spoiled brat fascist who thinks that since she is successful she is inherently superior to those who struggle in life. I've met others like her -- people who have no compassion, no empathy, and who scorn those who do as weak. How do these folks become so hard, so angry, so hateful, so bitter, so devoid of lovingkindness? I don't know. But the media do our nation's political discourse a disservice by elevating people like Coulter and Limbaugh to the status of "political commentator" ... they are highly paid entertaining cogs in the reactionary right's propaganda machine. The worst part is they "entertain" by appealing to people's lowest nature (violent, bigoted, crude) and lower the level of "debate" to verbal mud wrestling.

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» Verbal Combat Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net
» RE: musings on coulter Posted by: Gma1
» RE: musings on coulter Posted by: Brendam
» RE: musings on coulter Posted by: xs10shal
Middle balance
Posted by: Meremark on Apr 21, 2005 9:32 PM   
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Leaving aside how much Coulter consists of only derogatory, never decency, and is obviously on a personality maintenance medication regimen or should be in order to remain at large, I decry the media foil against criticisms of its manifest mistakes of ignorance. Which Time's feature is.
The ridiculous obsolete excuse is always some form of 'we get complaints from both partisan extremes,' which supposedly but hardly proves (the editorial) 'we' offered a middle and therefore balanced statement.
True centered balance, over time, is shown by alternating complaints and complements from (either) one partisan extreme.

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» RE: Middle balance Posted by: Pepper
Barbing Dull
Posted by: Kground on Apr 22, 2005 3:19 AM   
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My view of Coulter (aside from her fascistic writings and commentary which I will leave to others to parse) is that here is a 44 year old woman trying to perfect a Barbie Doll image for the media. Well, it ain't working.

Really Ann, when people throw food at you, please eat! (And do something with those dark roots, dear.)

Meowww.

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ann coulter dialogue?
Posted by: diamondvajra on Apr 22, 2005 5:56 AM   
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ann coulter does not engage in dialogue. like others of her ilk she engages in sophomoric screeds. her arrogance and her distain for those whom she sees as traitors actually prevents anyone from talking to her, except those who agree with her. she gets too much attention and methinks she is a scammer.like tom delay and the rest of the hate brigade she lowers discourse and uses error to put her point forward, she is personally offensive and energetically rotten

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Pass the Jiffy-Pop
Posted by: Ski on Apr 22, 2005 7:02 AM   
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Last night I watched a really great Hong Kong martial-arts, horror movie: 'The Vampire Killers', while munching Jiffy-Pop popcorn and slurping a soda. I also read the Time-Coulter piece. Equally cheesy, farcical and campy. Thank you Time magazine for the POP art publication...

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Coulter is News
Posted by: Cassandre on Apr 22, 2005 8:21 AM   
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Anne Coulter does not represent *my* view of the world, but she represents a large segment of the American population.
Reading the Time article in question, I found myself shaking my head in amazement, shock, disgust and more, but I never questioned the magazine's choice to put her picture on the cover. She is part of our present day news world, and people *should* discuss both her message and her percieved bias.
The journalist who wrote the article had to skate a very thin path between objectivity and the very strong feelings Coulter seems to engender with every sentence. I have more admiration for the writer than for his subject, for that very reason.

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Ann Coulter is a Mediocre Comedian, right?
Posted by: rkewen on Apr 22, 2005 8:28 AM   
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As an American who chooses to live in Canada because, well, it's just a much nicer place to live, more beautiful, less crowded, more Bush et. al. free.......ah, but I digress.

Anyway I was recently amused by watching Ann Coulter insist that Canada had sent troops to Vietnam to a CBC journalist. He politlely (hey, he's Canadian - we don't like rude types like O'Reilly and Limbaugh) tried to correct her while she insisted she would get back to him with the facts. Oh, I recently saw an update of that show, Ann......you forgot to get back to the nice man. Maybe she has been busy reading the Constitution and American history and starting to wonder why she said all those dumb things.

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Deflecting Criticism
Posted by: ednerid on Apr 22, 2005 8:36 AM   
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This is a most bewildering response to criticism.

People have criticized Time for its cover story on Ann Coulter because of an ain't-she-somethin' gloss over the facts of her career and style. I read this piece in hope of getting the author's defense of the integrity of his piece so I could make up my mind about it. Instead I got a broad brush painting of the opposition combined with a chameleon's attitude toward fact-checking that can be summed up by saying that Alterman should do it on every little point, but I cannot be bothered.

The defense of an Ann Coulter cover is not that Time has run covers of Hitler, or that Time has done pro-liberal spreads, or that Time should be able to put a blonde on the cover it it wants to. The point is standards for reporting that this reply clearly doesn't wish to address or cannot do so.

The best defense is a good offense - in football. I would have hoped that the best defense in journalism is to have the facts. I suppose, judging from the ascendancy of Ms. Coulter and the mind-set that this reply coupled with the article demonstrates, my ideas of journalism are passe. Today, the first requirement for a good journalism is the helmet and padding and a good arm to get your facts into your end zone and score.

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Art is everywhere
Posted by: Iamnotafruittree on Apr 22, 2005 9:32 AM   
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I think everyone should thank the artist who took the picture of Ann Coulter for the cover of Time. It is the perfect portrayal of her personality! Ann, stay away from artist. They see right though you, stupid!

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Cover Grrl
Posted by: esmense on Apr 22, 2005 2:10 PM   
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It can be difficult for women, no matter how hard working or accomplished, whether they play traditional roles or pioneer new ones, to gain the public acknowledgement and genuine respect they deserve. But it's a fact of life, as men, media outlets and Ann Coulter all well know, that it is always easy for an attractive woman to gain attention. It can, in fact, be as easy as showing some leg and saying, with the right amount of verve, the word "penis" on cable TV.

Many men get a kick out of hearing a sexy woman talk tough, outrageously or vulgarly -- as long as what she says flatters them and smites their enemies, or confirms, rather than challenges, their prejudices.

But when a woman as smart as Coulter prattles, cutely, as she has, that women are "not that bright," "shouldn't be allowed to vote" and "have no capacity to understand how money is earned," men as well as women understand, whether they acknowledge it or not, and whether Ms.Coulter herself understands it or not, that she's neither filling the role of "public intellectual" (as she claims in the Time profile) nor asking to be taken seriously. She's just playing the minstrel -- and revealing her willingness to trade self respect for notoriety.

Coulter isn't the first ambitious woman in public or private life to mistake or settle for the quicker, surer, but ultimately transient rewards of this kind of attention in lieu of confronting the obstacles, putting in the time and doing the hard work required to gain real respect, authority and effective power. And sadly, she won't be the last. It's an easy temptation that women have been succumbing to since Eve.

As a conservative, when the consequences of giving in to that temptation become evident -- whether in the form of the caricature cover photo she objects to today or the media access that will inevitably wane along with youthful attractiveness tomorrow -- Ms. Coulter will blame "liberal bias" rather than, as some others might, sexism. But the truth is, it's neither.

The real fault lies in her inability to give either herself or other women, and the mature responsibilities and real social, economic and political issues they confront every day, any respect.

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Frank Scott
Posted by: fascott on Apr 22, 2005 5:18 PM   
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I like Ann Coulter because she drives liberals nuts.

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» RE: Frank Scott Posted by: esmense
» RE: Frank Scott Posted by: mungojelly
This Is Journalism?
Posted by: mickmca on Apr 23, 2005 10:38 AM   
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What I find most troubling about the Time article is the implicit endorsement of what Coulter does as "journalism." She is not a journalist or reporter. The reason non-liberal news services like USA Today and National Review have dumped her is that she is to journalism what an expensive call girl is to a beloved wife. They may perform some of the same activities, but the similarity is only superficial.

Lying is not journalism, whether it takes the form of ignorance or misdirection. The journalist's job is to find the facts and provide them to readers. It's not a mission all news media have performed without bias or error, but it is the function for which our founders honored their profession by singling it out in the Constitution.

Time's attention and Cloud's airy dismissal of Coulter's dishonesty combine to legitimize a model for media communications that is utterly unacceptable. It would be rejected with contempt by people of integrity like Edward R Murrow and Horace Greeley.

Screwing a prostitute is not "making love." If Time disagrees, then they have no business in journalism.

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» RE: This Is Journalism? Posted by: sgspurr
Time's mistakes on Ann Coulter film (Fave notices?)
Posted by: mpetrelis on Apr 23, 2005 2:55 PM   
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April 23, 2005

John Cloud
Time
New York, NY

Dear Mr. Cloud:

In your recent cover story on the fact-challenged and truth-bending contrastive writer Ann Coulter, you called attention to a film about her.

"A recent documentary, Is It True What They Say About Ann?—co-directed by a friend of Coulter’s, journalist Elinor Burkett—has played at film festivals and won some favorable notices," you wrote. (Source: http://www.timecanada.com .)

Since I never heard of the film and fancy myself a movie-lover, I used Google to fact-check your claims about this documentary on Coulter.

First of all, the makers of the film have a web site to promote and sell it, http://www.anncoulterdoc.com/ . The site links to what appears to be all of the film festivals, three total, that screened the work in 2004. I couldn't find any evidence that the film has been shown this year.

Regarding two of the three festivals, the Liberty and the Renaissance film festivals, are put on by contrastive organizations, proud of their right-wing political bent. The third one was the Maryland Film Festival. Not exactly Cannes or Telluride, or mainstream film venues for the latest documentaries focusing on American politics and pundits. (Sources: http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/ , http://www.afrfilmfestival.com/ , http://www.mdfilmfest.com/ .)

Second, where are the supposed favorable notices you claim exist for the documentary? The links to news clippings about the film aren't reviews, but articles about the filmmakers, their controversial subject or the conservative film festivals showing the film. (Sources: http://www.westernstandard.ca/ .)

Does this excerpt from an essay by Bryan Curtis for Slate qualify as a rave in your opinion?

"Stranger still was Is It True What They Say About Ann?, a short film about the conservative provocateur Ann Coulter, who said of Muslim terrorists after 9/11 that we should 'invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.' The director, Patrick Wright, never attempts to answer the title question, preferring to let the camera gaze lovingly at Ann as she hawks her books and invades university campuses.

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Ann Coulter must be doing something right
Posted by: sgspurr on Apr 23, 2005 3:22 PM   
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As I read all the nasty comments being spewed on the internet & in the media about Ann Coulter in response to the cover story about her in Time, I come to that conclusion that she obviously is doing something "right". Every single comment, when you read them carefully (or not so carefully) is obviously coming from people on the "left" who hate her guts and cannot stand the fact that she got on the cover of one the most liberal magazines.. they feel "betrayed", not by Coulter, but by "Time". How funny

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Ann Who - What-Where?
Posted by: bookwoman on Apr 23, 2005 4:16 PM   
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I am not a liberal; I am a cradle Republican of a moderate to conservative stripe. Ann Coulter and her ilk make me crazy. I would put her in the same category as Rush Limbaugh. They especially make me crazy because they describe themselves as Republicans. Whatever these people are, they are not Republicans. They are a group who, in the 60s, saw a overfunded, underpopulated political party and stole it. The thing that really bothers me is that they did it under our nose, and now they are attempting to destroy my country and our government. I say steal because there are too many questions about their conduct and tactics. The "winning" they have done is too surrounded by subtrafuge, and they are experts at parsing the English language. Coulter is one of the prime voices in this conduct. The thing that makes me question how secure they really feel is the bravado and the constant insults. Hey guys, you won - why are you still so angry. Perhaps Coulter and the rest are all making so much noise because they hope no one will notice your weaknesses.

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Tsk! tsk!
Posted by: xristim on Apr 26, 2005 11:00 AM   
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The Time cover featured what used to be called "gams". Ms. Coulter is apparently proud of hers...with some justice. They're nice. Perhaps the author of the article found them disconcerting. Ms. Coulter is not a mind; she's a mouth on legs. Had he not been disconcerted by the legs, the author might have noticed...and spared us all a lot of ultimately pointless discourse. Those of us who view Ms. Coulter's views as objectionable will never become converts. Those who support her...well, I suspect they need professional help. Ah well...

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Apr 27, 2005 1:56 PM   
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Cancelled my subscription to TIME about 40 years ago. Check it out once in a while in the Dr.'s waiting room. Wouldn't take it for free. I'll bet Mr. Cloud considers himself a journalist. He's a prime example of how low mass media journalism has sunk. On the cover the inner ugliness of Ann Coulter really show through. As far as what she has to say, SICK!

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clinker
Posted by: cottontail on Apr 27, 2005 1:56 PM   
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Cancelled my subscription to TIME about 40 years ago. Check it out once in a while in the Dr.'s waiting room. Wouldn't take it for free. I'll bet Mr. Cloud considers himself a journalist. He's a prime example of how low mass media journalism has sunk. On the cover the inner ugliness of Ann Coulter really show through. As far as what she has to say, SICK!

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The pendulum
Posted by: thesnob on Apr 27, 2005 2:07 PM   
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The Coulters of the world thrive on publicity and die if we ignore them.

Ann who?

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How many monkeys does it take?
Posted by: lagemac on Apr 28, 2005 5:36 AM   
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Back around 1960, comedian Bob Newhart developed a great monologue about an experiment in which a bunch ohimpanzes were placed in front of typewriters and monitored to see if eventually they would be able to write all the world's great literature. The rise to fame of people like Ann Coulter and Michael Savage reminds me of that. Lacking the moral and intellectual gifts of most chimpanzes, they prove that if given enough time and media exposure they can become great celebrities, writers whose opinions the public takes seriously. Really makes one grateful for chimpanzes.

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