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In Praise of Prosperity

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted April 25, 2005.


In order to win the economic battle over America's future, progressives need to first challenge the very terms of the national debate: It's about quality of life.

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Every day, progressives dive headlong into debates over the U.S. economy only to end up angry, defensive, and confused. The problem: few of us realize that the very definition of the terms used in these heated discussions -- for example, "growth" or "competitiveness" -- is loaded against us.

The language of economic competitiveness is not ideologically neutral, but instead designed to promote policies that serve the interests of big corporations and their investors. If progressives want to reframe the debate over America's future, they will have to reframe its very terms. A first step: start talking about prosperity.

When making arguments in support of their favored policies -- be it massive tax cuts or rolling back environmental safeguards -- conservatives focus almost exclusively on economic growth. What most Americans don't understand is that economic growth does not necessarily make us more prosperous as a society.
Consider the research of economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez: while we've witnessed several periods of immense growth in recent decades, the average real income of the bottom 90 percent of American taxpayers -- in other words, most of us -- actually fell by 7 percent between 1973 and 2000.

As Americans, we are raised to believe from an early age that growth is an over-arching imperative of a capitalist economy. You don't have to be an economist to get it -- when graphs point upward, the economy's good. So we are expected to dedicate ourselves to that goal, even if it requires ceding our own personal well-being. Just think about the rhetoric surrounding living wage laws: sacrifice your very basic needs for the good of the corporations, i.e. America. We're all Corporate Citizens, and we have to advance the national project of achieving growth at all costs.

But for progressives, this narrative muddies the waters and obscures questions that are important to all Americans. Growth-related statistics, for example, tell us nothing about inequality. If the wages of 99,990 workers were to decline by a half percent while the fortunes of ten members of the Walton family increased by 20 or 30 billion dollars, the average growth for that population of 100,000 would be quite impressive indeed. But that's little solace for anyone who is not a Walton.

The self-serving politics of growth has grown ever more dominant since the emergence of the new conservative movement under Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher, creating a lopsided system that increasingly serves the greed of the few at the expense of the well-being of the many. According to Ed Wolff, author of Top Heavy, the share of national wealth controlled by the top 1 percent of households increased from 20.5 percent in 1979 to 38.5 percent in 1998, while the bottom 40 percent of American households experienced a drop in their share of national net worth, from 0.9 percent in 1983 to only 0.2 percent in 1998.

This alarming trend is only going to get worse in George Bush's "Ownership Society." According to the Los Angeles Times, during 2004 and the first couple of months of 2005, wages didn't keep pace with inflation for the first time since the 1990 recession. In other words, working Americans effectively took an across-the-board pay cut -- and, more importantly, at a time when the economy grew by a healthy four percent, and "corporate profits hit record highs as companies got more productivity out of workers while keeping pay raises down."

According to ILO statistics (from 2001), Americans are the most productive workers in the world -- a fact that is often touted by the 'boot-straps' folk on the right as proof of our system's superiority. But we're not the most productive workers per hour; we merely work more hours than any other industrialized country, and our hours increase almost every year. It's the kind of productivity that is built primarily on the backs of the middle class and the poor. Squeezing every last drop of productivity out of working people to maximize growth is the essence of the Wal-Mart model. It's good for the economy, but not for the people who live within it.

The Prosperous Nation

In order to challenge this growth-obsessed narrative, progressives have to do more than point to facts and figures, however damning they might be. They must reframe the debate in terms of prosperity. Prosperity is less concerned about the GDP or per capita income, but the quality of life afforded by a given economy. Within such a discourse, economic growth is still important, not as an end in itself but as a means to achieve true prosperity.

Discussing the economy in terms of a prosperous society opens up the debate to a more inclusive and accurate picture of what Americans want. If our goal were to be the most prosperous nation, we'd be forced to grapple with the fact that the United States ranks the highest among the highly developed countries in each of the seven measures of inequality the index tracks. While we enjoy the second highest GDP in the world (excluding tiny Luxembourg), we rank dead last among the 20 most developed countries in fighting poverty and we're off the chart in terms of the number of Americans living on half of the median income or less.

Among industrialized nations, the United States is at the bottom in functional literacy, even as only about a quarter of Americans graduate from college. Despite spending twice as much per capita on healthcare as most developed countries, only Ireland and Denmark have lower life expectancies. We're number one in the percentage of population without access to healthcare. One of eight Americans don't survive to reach age 60, which leaves us at the bottom of the pile in terms of life expectancy in the developed world.

We're overworked, underpaid, and with little or no financial security. No wonder that the National Institutes of Mental Health found that in any given year, 10 percent of Americans suffer from depression and over 13 percent from some type of anxiety disorder.

We may be rich as hell as a nation, but a great many of us are struggling just to keep it together. A truly prosperous country, on the other hand, ensures the greatest benefits to the greatest number of people.

Prosperity is Competitive

Here's the kicker: a prosperous society is also an economically competitive society. Contrary to what the Bush administration may claim, giving Americans a decent shot at the good life is not incompatible with building a strong economy. The world leader in per capita GDP is Norway, a nation that offers its citizens long vacations, generous paternity leave programs, strict environmental regulations and well-developed social safety net.

According to rankings put out by the World Economic Forum -- an industry group of big multinationals -- the most competitive economy in the world is a social democracy: Finland. So are seven of the 10 most competitive economies in the Forum's Global Competitiveness Index. And seven of the 10 most 'economically free' countries in the Economic Freedom Index -- which is published annually by the uber-conservative Heritage Foundation and the Wall Street Journal -- are social democracies. The Fraser Foundation -- a Canadian version of Heritage -- publishes a similar index and, lo and behold, seven of its 10 most competitive economies are also social democracies.

The next time some right-winger claims social benefits reward laziness and inertia, remember to point to Bernard Wasow's research. The economist with the Century Foundation found that between 1970 and 2000, per capita GDP increased by 64 percent in the United States and 60 percent in France: "In America, [however,] this came about because productivity per worker rose by 38 percent and hours worked per worker rose by 26 percent. In France, it came about because productivity rose by 83 percent while hours worked fell by 23 percent."

Fighting Right-wing Rhetoric

The best antidote to the right's post Cold-War triumphalism is an economic debate that centers not on growth but prosperity. The defeat of Communism was, for many, a vindication not of capitalism generally, but of a Darwinian concept of capitalism following Milton Friedman's model. Today, maintaining economic growth and competitiveness has become conflated with an entire gamut of pro-rich policies: privatization, deregulation, keeping taxes at a level that squeezes government, maintaining low wages and "labor flexibility," and not being too strict about those pesky issues of corporate accountability.

In reality, economic competitiveness is as much a question of technological savvy; the availability of capital; a strong rule of law; a healthy and educated workforce; extensive infrastructure and a good location on global trade routes. In other words, a competitive economy requires greater investment in the public sphere, not less -- especially in education, high-tech R & D and infrastructure /www.alternet.org/story/21400/>.

Conservatives love to make any argument about the effects of their policies into a false debate between capitalism and socialism -- with liberals cast in the role of bona fide pinkos. This is just not true. A progressive vision for America embraces the free market, but also recognizes the need to curb the worst excesses of the system. Capitalism is a lot like Winston Churchill's view of democracy: it's the worst possible arrangement, except for all the others.

Many Americans are tired, stressed out, depressed, hooked on drugs, relatively poorly educated and with few opportunities for a better life. They are ready to hear something new, something other than the usual scare-tactics of the right. Progressives can win the current economic debate by making one simple point: A truly prosperous country ensures the greatest benefits to the greatest number of people.

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Joshua Holland is a fair-trade activist, a student of international relations at the University of Southern California and editor-in-chief of the Trojan Horse, USC's lefty muckraker.

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Forgot one thing
Posted by: bettsoff on Apr 25, 2005 2:08 AM   
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Coservatives often base their argument for the status quo on a fictionary character I like to call the Unique Individual. The UI--let's call him Mr. Bootstrap--is the 0.2 %er. He beats the odds. He's the exceptional single parent. He's the ghetto-escapee. He's the recovered addict-cum-sucessful business owner. He's the Walmart worker who "made it big".

The UI does indeed exist, but progressives have failed to point out that not every working man can be a UI. It's statistically impossible under our system. Yet, millions of Americans are chasing after Mr. Bootstrap, goaded by the misinformation of conservatives and fallaciously convinced that if they just work hard enough and sacrifice a little more, that they will become a UI. They waste a lifetime trying to beat the odds without ever stopping to ask just what the odds are or why the system is set up so that "happiness" is only achieved by the odds-beating few. It's progressives' job to make people ask, "Why is the UI held up as the model when 99.8% of us will never be one? Why are we chasing the dream we are?"

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» RE: Forgot one thing Posted by: joncehart
» RE: Forgot one thing Posted by: mstenger
The real economy
Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net on Apr 25, 2005 3:55 AM   
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The US MSM & most non-MSM accept the Bush Admin’s evaluation of the economy based purely on corporate profits.

You're right, they're wrong.

What about child mortality, poverty, other actual measures of the country’s real, whole, economy?

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» RE: The real economy Posted by: susan9390
Hmmm -
Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net on Apr 25, 2005 4:47 AM   
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You might want to use some measure other than median income upon which to argue; one oft-used definition of median is that value of which the number of contributing values above & below are equal, in other words, median divdes people in half, not money.

So that in every country, by definition, the percentage of population above & below median or half of median is exactly the same. I'd guess that's not what you're after.

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» INTRODUCTION TO STATISTICS Posted by: susan9390
» An explanation Posted by: ari_bodini
Joshua Holland's Article
Posted by: phoinex on Apr 25, 2005 4:52 AM   
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Being neither on the right nor left, but rather a radical moderate, I'd like to respond to Joshua Holland's article. As he states, we do live in a competitive world, but have we replaced a competitive mindset with an entitlement mindset? Our high school dropout rate (25%where I live) is atrocious for a developed country. The number of college graduates with a major in the sciences is dismal. We're overweight, smoke too much, and get little exercise. The best health care system in the world will have difficulty responding to that. If we're looking for someone to blame, I'd suggest we look in the mirror. There is plenty of opportunity in this country, but it takes effort and hard work to get it. No one is entitled to success, just the opportunity to achieve it.

Steve Knox

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» RE: Joshua Holland's Article Posted by: Kanefire
» NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO SUCCESS Posted by: susan9390
» RE: Joshua Holland's Article Posted by: ari_bodini
» ARI BODINI'S COMMENT Posted by: susan9390
RICH AS HELL!!!!!! POSTER'S WORDS HAVE INSIGHT!!!!!
Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 25, 2005 9:09 AM   
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When I read what the poster said, I thought to myself that is exactly what the BIBLE SAYS: THEY WILL LOOK BUT NOT SEE AND LISTEN BUT NOT HEAR. I can only wonder if the poster really knew what it was that he was saying?? He discribes all the goods that this nation could have but he also discribes why we DON'T!!!! You see this country has turned from GOD AND HIS BLESSINGS and traded it for riches.[money] We are suffering all the lost because money has become our GOD!!! If all our folks where reading, studying, and following GOD'S WISDOM we would of been looking out for the whole of society but instead we wanted to be RICH AS HELL!!!! All I can say to this nation is, turn back to GOD and demand that HIS LAWS be followed and you will see all those BLESSINGS start flowing back in. Words like " LOVE YOUR NEIBOR, DO UNTO OTHER'S AS YOU WOULD DO UNTO YOUR SELVES, OR THE PASSAGE IN THE BIBLE THAT DISCRIBES THE GREATEST SERVANT OF ALL." This is GOD'S WISDOM not hell's. Why do we insist on turning away from GOD??? Remember these words?? SEEK FIRST THE KNIGDOM OF GOD AND ALL YOUR NEEDS SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU!!!

MAY THE LOVE OF JESUS BE WITH YOU!!!
[this has two meanings]

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» Perspective Appreciated Posted by: Kanefire
» is your god bigger than.... Posted by: thehousedog
New Definitions
Posted by: Sandra on Apr 25, 2005 11:32 AM   
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With our massive deficits in income and in trade, it seems that our country has become a debtor nation in pursuit of capitalist dreams. My family taught me to "live within my income" and to take on only as much debt as I could manage. We don't really need all of the stuff that we buy and accumulate. Contrary to advertising messages, buying a product is not going to change or make our lives better. We have powers that we choose not to exercise. Those powers include choosing not to buy, seriously considering what our necessities are and paying cash not credit for those, and saving more money for our emergencies and retirement. We can bring this administration and their policies, which benefit the top 1% and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves, down. The conservatives have made their agenda clear. They are for corporate welfare, taking care of corporate donars, forgetting all government roles except those that benefit the corporate and the select few and doing away with entitlement programs designed to keep the rest of us out of poverty. We may all have to redefine what prosperity means for ourselves and our families and vote by being careful with our checkbooks. I think that we as a country are living on borrowed time and money. What happens when the other countries who are financing our debt decide it's no longer worth it?

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» CONSUMERISM Posted by: susan9390
» RE: CONSUMERISM Posted by: elmysterio
» RE: CONSUMERISM Posted by: fferris
New Definitions
Posted by: Sandra on Apr 25, 2005 11:36 AM   
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With our massive deficits in income and in trade, it seems that our country has become a debtor nation in pursuit of capitalist dreams. My family taught me to "live within my income" and to take on only as much debt as I could manage. We don't really need all of the stuff that we buy and accumulate. Contrary to advertising messages, buying a product is not going to change or make our lives better. We have powers that we choose not to exercise. Those powers include choosing not to buy, seriously considering what our necessities are and paying cash not credit for those, and saving more money for our emergencies and retirement. We can bring this administration and their policies, which benefit the top 1% and leave the rest of us to fend for ourselves, down. The conservatives have made their agenda clear. They are for corporate welfare, taking care of corporate donars, forgetting all government roles except those that benefit the corporate and the select few and doing away with entitlement programs designed to keep the rest of us out of poverty. We may all have to redefine what prosperity means for ourselves and our families and vote by being careful with our checkbooks. I think that we as a country are living on borrowed time and money. What happens when the other countries who are financing our debt decide it's no longer worth it?

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» RE: New Definitions Posted by: pedro
Equity not Prosperity
Posted by: eaanders on Apr 25, 2005 11:41 AM   
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Prosperity is an aggregate term that doesn't connote who is prospering. We are a very prospeous country now, for the rich, near rich, and the upper middle class. The quality of a nation cannot be judged on aggregate economic success alone. We must not fear labels like "class warfare" so much that we cloud the issue with terms like prosperity when it is really equity that we are talking about.

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» EQUITY??? Posted by: susan9390
» RE: QUITY??? Posted by: Devere
» EQUITY VS. PROSPERITY Posted by: susan9390
The tail wags the dog
Posted by: Grampop on Apr 25, 2005 11:45 AM   
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Corporations are necessary for our economic well-being but they can, and often do, degrade our quality of life. Since their only purpose is to provide a profit to their owners, it is up to the rest of us to guard our interests. We cannot allow them to control our legislators through campaign contributions. We need a campaign finance system that has two requirements:
1. All contributions come from a fund appropriated by congress.
2. Each voter has control over an equal share of this fund to support his candidates.

Further explanation available at
http://www.lincolninitiative.org

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» THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE Posted by: susan9390
LeeAnnG
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Apr 25, 2005 1:58 PM   
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In response to Phoinex, I believe Holland's article addresses "replac[ing] a competitive mindset with an entitlement mindset" when he discusses other industrialized nations. In fact, there is a real lack of opportunity in our country. I have family members with college degrees who lost jobs in D.C. because the department decided to move to Viriginia. Both of them had been commuting up to six hours a day and living in Maryland because their combined pay was not enough to live closer to their jobs. They (incorrectly) assumed they would be able to get new jobs within a reasonable time frame since the commute to Virginia was even longer.

Fortunately, they were able to get temp jobs in Baltimore just as their department shut down. However, in spite of years of office management experience, a great deal of on-going education, good job skills, and positive references, they have been unable to get "real" new jobs for months. The husband sent out over 70 applications in the past couple of months and has had no responses. Repeat: NO responses. He is highly educated, intelligent, and experienced. His current supervisor tells him he is overqualified for his job.

In Rochester there were recent job postings in the local paper. They wanted people with a four year degree to work for $8.00 an hour. There is something wrong with this picture. 45 million Americans have no health insurance. We most certainly do not have the best health care in the world; our infant mortality rate is one of the highest in the "developed" countries. We pay twice as much for care when we can get it.

Our work weeks are longer, our pay lower, our benefits fewer, and vacations shorter than many other countries. Americans may be overweight, smoke too much, and get too little exercise, but much of this may be due to working too many hours and being under too much stress.

Phoinex seems to be of the opinion that no matter what the society we live in, it's always up to the individual to overcome the odds and succeed. Isn't that blaming the victim and letting the oppressors off the hook? If you aren't willing to work a 60 hour week (which if you work at a Walmart or many, many other jobs, is impossible because of the way they screw around with your schedule), commute 3 hours each way, give up your leisure time, and find a way to pay $800 to $1,000 a month for health insurance, does that make you somehow a slacker?

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» RE: LeeAnnG Posted by: thereader
A few Holes in Holland’s arguments.
Posted by: Iron Yuppie on Apr 25, 2005 2:37 PM   
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Norway is a rather poor example of how we should operate, as its primary export is oil, and its population is rather small. Norway is a good example of what Arabs can and should work towards, not other nations without oil.

Hollands also seems to cite an anomaly as proof that all of our increased productivity is due to longer working hours. While France, Denmark, and Belgium work less and have higher per/hour productivity, the remainder of the EU is well below per/hour productivity. And productivity growth in the US per/hour of labor has been growing faster on average in the past 20 years than in EU member states, including the four top EU performers.

I also fail to see how Hollands noting that 20% of Americans have college degress is significant at all. This figure rates at the top of all industrialized nations for % of population with college degrees.

Holland’s challenge to Friedman is ridiculous, Friedman is a Nobel Lauriet and a genius, Hollands is just another left-wing hack, a debate between the two would be humiliating to put it kindly.

Like an earlier contributor said, we are entitled to the opportunity to be prosperous not prosperity. Far too many Americans think things will just fall into their laps, thank God for the immigrants who make this place dynamic.

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AMEN!!
Posted by: susan9390 on Apr 25, 2005 2:48 PM   
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Hooray to Holland for a fine piece of research presented in an insightful way!

I've been saying for ages that the reason we can't seem to make ourselves heard is that our rhetoric sucks. "Prosperity" is a fine piece of rhetoric. (Or at least I thought it was until I read some of the ignorant comments.)

I would like to identify one lack in the article, however. It is not changes and comparisons in median income that interest me because all of that is relative to inflation rates, changes in the international value of the dollar, etc. What concerns me is the decline of the middle class. It is absolutely true that the rich are getting impossibly richer and the poor are getting unbearably poorer. As the welfare roles increase, we get more new billionaires per year than we can afford. Notice I did not say millionaires; they're downright commoners any more.

I would be very interested in the changes in standard deviation of American incomes over the years rather than just the changes in the median. In a culture that places high value on its middle class, as this one was structured to do, that value should stay pretty much the same over time.

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Friedman a genius?
Posted by: Chiron on Apr 25, 2005 3:07 PM   
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Iron Yuppie, if you are going to defend the policies of economic nazi Milton Friedman, who panders to the interests of the worst aspects of Robber Baron economics, maybe you ought to learn how to spell "laureate".

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Spelling
Posted by: elmysterio on Apr 25, 2005 4:56 PM   
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Ok. This is off topic, but needs to be said... I've noticed over the last few days here at Alternet, people are making a big deal about people's spelling and grammar... That's retarded. First off, not everyone is an excellent speller. I for one mis-spell stuff fairly frequently... second, in the passion of the momment when you're trying to get the thought from your head into the post, you may mis-type stuff... and my point is... SO FREEKIN WHAT... somebody's poor spelling doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme of things. So what's the purpose in pointing that out? All you're going to do is perhaps make someone feel bad about themselves and discourage them from engaging in discussion. Isn't the whole point of progressives supposed to be facillitating discussion? So why stiffle that just because somebody's spelling/grammar sucks? Come on people, we're talking about issues of greater importance than someone's use of the english language. Bringing the debate down to the level of nit-picking someone's words is just another form of mud-throwing. Serves no purpose. I'd expect a higher level of understanding from people who think themselves "intellectual progressives"... bah.

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» LITERACY Posted by: susan9390
Capitalism is a great tool and a lousy religion
Posted by: SteveBreeze on Apr 25, 2005 4:59 PM   
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Capitalism is a great motivational tool, but when it is taken to its extreme works very poorly. Too much wealth and power in too few hands is bad for society and for the economy. When the economic ladder has its rungs so far apart that most will never reach the next one it is a great disincentive to effort. When we make it too hard to improve ones lot in life we discard an enormous amount of human capital that could benefit all of us.

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The Bottom 90 percent
Posted by: gideonh on Apr 25, 2005 5:37 PM   
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Consider that phrase for a moment. The "BOTTOM 90 percent. " then check out http://www.cafepress.com/ninetyten
that phrase speaks volumes about america and the world.

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Democracy vs. Theocracy
Posted by: chitijdth on Apr 26, 2005 4:57 AM   
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It’s somewhat frightening for me to read the various responses to this article. Most take the position that you’re either “for or against” God and/or Jesus. First of all, in a true democracy, my religious beliefs are nobody else’s business. Second, not every religious believer in this country is Christian, and third, we were never supposed to be a theocracy. Our government was intended to govern secular items, such as the economy, public education, the environment, etc. while letting each person follow his/her own beliefs. Even something as controversial as abortion can follow that dictum in that it is allowed, not mandated. Nobody is forced to have an abortion if it against her belief. The part of the religious right that is undemocratic is that they are imposing their form of Christianity on me. If they want such a country, they should strive for a referendum in this country that puts the question squarely, “Do you want to change the United States into a Christian theocracy, with the President and law makers having the power to enact laws accordingly?” In a democracy, you have the right to follow the rules of Evangelical Christianity, and I have the right not to. The whole discussion of which rules are “better” are a distraction from the meaning of democracy. At the bottom of all of these issues are the questions of power and money. All theocracies strive for the power to dictate others’ behavior; and as Thomas Franks makes clear in his book, “What’s the Matter with Kansas,” those who vote to outlaw abortion, get tax cuts for the rich instead.

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Just lazy?
Posted by: RCS on Apr 26, 2005 1:25 PM   
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I don't buy that "Americans are just lazy" argument one bit.

America was once known as the land of opportunity. Many of our ancestors came here from Europe or other countries. In their home countries these people were poor, and considered lazy, shiftless, etc. In other words, the same as phoinex describes current Americans.

Yet once they hit these shores, they were able to transform themselves into innovators, hard-workers, the most productive citizens on the planet.

Did they pass through some magical field in the Atlantic Ocean? Or is it possible that the economic system in the USA was more amenable to them being productive?

Given that the latter is more likely, then isn't it possible that the economic system that we are pursuing is responsible for the creation of this new "personally irresponsible" class of people? Or is there maybe a new magnetic wave that is being beamed onto these individuals?

I look at our economic system and I see no job opportunities for those people who don't go to college. Yet who says that everyone is capable of college? 75 years ago those same people could earn a good living working in a factory, they could buy a house and have a safe existence. Today they're lucky to find temporary work at minumum wage, and the only way to make ends meet is to accept the public assistance offered to them.

I think that a lot of people in this country are benefitting at the direct expense of ther underclass. While it's great to be able to buy a $5 toaster, why is it so bad that this toaster costs $20, yet is made by people in this country rather than by someone in China (making $1/day and sending the rest of the profits to their military machine)? If our money is kept close to home its more likely to be spent here. I doubt that Chinese worker is contributing to my economic success with his purchases.

And wouldn't more expensive, and thus less disposable goods be good in other ways? Maybe we'd see a return to the appliance repairman, a semi-skilled position that has vanished with the advent of throwaway appliances. And maybe we'd have to waste less of our resources on things like trash dumps.

My basic point though is that it's amazing how populations of the "lazy" seem to ebb and flow with the economic conditions in this country. That tells me that the job makes the person more than the person makes the job.

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» RE: Just lazy? Ridiculous Posted by: Iron Yuppie
mstenger
Posted by: mstenger on Apr 26, 2005 2:25 PM   
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I was born into a middle class family. In 1970, I lived in a 900 sq.ft. brick ranch home in a new subdivision. My dad drove a Duster and my mom drove a Pinto. My dad was a factory worker and my mom a beautician. Neither were college educated. I went to public schools. I can't remember ever wanting for anything. Now, I am a college graduate. After losing my salaried job from down-sizing, I am working for an hourly wage as a secretary. My spouse is a college graduate and a social worker. We live in an apartment. I look around me at all the 3000 sq. ft. homes that are being built and the 2 SUVs in the driveways and wonder where has the middle class gone?

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» RE: mstenger Posted by: billwald
keep it simple stupid
Posted by: Salaczar on Apr 26, 2005 6:22 PM   
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I agree that progressives need to find a better way to talk about the issues facing the average American. I agree with everything that Mr. Holland says but if we're going to reach the "average American" we need to speak in simpler and more direct terms. The Conservatives have mastered the art of the soundbite by compressing alot of confusing information into easily understood (although sometimes misleading) nuggets. For example the estate tax. Most Americans would be exempt from it yet the Republicans framed it in such a way that people were against it. People in the heartland already believe that Liberals are know-it-all smarty-pants who look down on the 'joe sixpacks' of this country. This article wouldn't convince them otherwise.

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Tax cuts for the rich do what?
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 26, 2005 10:25 PM   
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Why are folks surprised that Bush's tax cuts are sinking the budget? That's what everyone said would happen. Our political leaders stopped listening a long time ago. Read Kevin Phillips. He's a Republican and he shows how the rich have skimmed the common wealth (remember when that meant something?) for the largest transfer in American history.

We don't need answers. We need leadership that listens. Corporate execs, whether running GM or the Defense Department, have learned to just take the money and run.

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We're bad, we're bad!
Posted by: matyd on Apr 26, 2005 10:50 PM   
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Help us Jesus, for we have sinned! We all deserve to have a lower standard of living because we eat and drink too much. Maybe we eat drink and smoke too much because we, as Americans, are being screwed out of 3,4,5 weeks of vacation that workers of other industrial nations get and we are trying to make ourselves feel better. Call us a lot of things but you can't call us lazy because the stats just don't back it up.

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Some ideas on how to do it over
Posted by: brodix on Apr 27, 2005 10:59 AM   
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The monetary system is a form of economic circulatory system, just like the highway system. To use this as analogy, when you drive on the highway, you lay exclusive claim to a certain amount of it. The faster you go, the more you need. Currently, more and more people are being squeezed onto smaller pieces of road, while a few claim large stretches of it in order to go as fast as they can ever possibly imagine.

What this culture of greed creates is a tragedy of the commons. It would be as if every time a road is built, everyone runs out and claims as much as possible. The result would be that everything would be paved over, but travel would still be difficult. As it is, practically everything is monetized, yet the economy is still about to seize up.

The economy is a convective cycle, with ideas, labor, material rising up and wealth, order, security precipitating down. When more rises then can be effectively invested, or precipitates back down, storm clouds of surplus wealth build up at the top. While everyone criticizes government borrowing, no one considers where this revenue stream would go otherwise. Only as much money can be saved as can be invested. Beyond that and it just inflates asset values. Government debt amounts to a nationalization of surplus wealth and it is used for necessary structural spending that often supports the private sector. As it is simply loaned, though and the public revenue stream is being directed into further building this supply of surplus wealth, it is not a stable situation.

A liberal Laffer Curve needs to be proposed that shows spending extra wealth on infrastructure and helping to increase the health, education and productivity of all citizens would do far more to increase the overall strength of the economy then simply turning the economy into a pedestal on which to pile large amounts of extra wealth for the high priests of Capitalism to lord over. It isn't a matter of regulating greed, but making it increasingly unacceptable.

Money and government are two sides of the same coin. One is rights, the other is responsibilities. It is a lack of maturity for people to worship money and hate the government that issues it. Money is a tool, not a god. If we use it as sparingly as possible and maintain a more organic economy, we would need much less government and it would have less ability to grow out of control.

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We haven't been fighting the Class War
Posted by: dajson on Apr 27, 2005 1:13 PM   
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I think the problem is that the middle/lower class hasn't been fighting the Class War but the upper class has been. Every protest made by America's common workers is countered with the accusation that we are making this a Class War. I say they started it and we should finish it. In my lifetime an average person who could expect to have a house with 2 cars before they are 30 in the 70's can now expect to pay apartment rent for the rest of their lives. The recent tax-cuts during wartime have made the middle class carry not only the tax burden, but we are also fighting for their war crime. Its time for everyone to pay their fair share for prosperity for all, and the next time someone accuses us of fighting a class war we need to look them in the eye and say, "your damn right". When I was getting out of high school I expected to make my first million before I was 30. Of course that didn't happen, but it took me till then to realize the cards are stacked against me. Now the average kid leaving high school is so scared of the world they now have to conquer that they just seem to give up. At the rate this is going the day will come when the privileged few have all the money and power, but remember we will have the numbers, which does scare the upper class since they know we can kick their asses. I hope we do.

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LondonLeft
Posted by: londonleft on Apr 28, 2005 9:18 AM   
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If you mean quality of life, say it. 'Prosperity' is the kind of word you get on Christmas cards. Motherhood and apple pie. If everyone is for it, it doesn't take us forward. Quality of life gets to the core of the difference between that and cannibalistic economic growth.

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Equality is not a moral nor a desirable goal
Posted by: SiliconDreams on May 1, 2005 10:36 AM   
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You people somewhat amaze me, which is actually the reason I check out this site from time to time...

The paramount moral goal of a government can never be equality because not everyone's achievement is the same. The paramount goal of a government must be fairness and opportunity. This country has the highest degree of social mobility in the world, and it is natural that as a result it will be very unequal - the skills, work ethic and intelligence of people is also very unequal, so the best will earn the highest wages. Compare this to a society like your beloved Scandinavia (or some place like Britain) where equality made social mobility close to zero (yes, everyone is similar, but your chances of success starting from a low position are pretty much zero). I would much rather live in the US because here I know I can build my future, not have it handed to me by the rest of society.

Yes, I am an exception and I am biased. I came to this country on a scholarship at 17 and I was a technology millionaire by 22. Why? Because I worked 16 hours a day to keep up with my studies at the same time as launching a company, while my classmates were boozing away at frats! And now they will comment on how "lucky" I am...

Those who do not succeed cannot accept that this lack of success is a result of their inability to achieve. So they start talking about how an oppressive society is holding them down and how only "a lucky few" end up on top. This provides an easy exit from psychological depression (sort of like religion provides an easy understanding of the world). Wake up. 70% of the Forbes400 are entirely self-made. Show me another developed country where the richest 400 citizens are 70% self-made.

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Right and Wrong
Posted by: snarej on May 1, 2005 4:37 PM   
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The article itself is useful in that it asks if other, more progressive ways of approaching economic issues that focused more on quality of life rather than macroeconomic statistics would be more popular with the common voter. However, what does this realistically entail? Those who are interested in enacting change must explicitly ask, "Why are the rich getting unprecidentally richer while the poor get poorer and the middle class stagnates?" Yes, a new "Laffer" curve is nessisary that redefines the terms of the debate and shifts the frame of reference. But will more Social Entiltlements and wealth redistribution programs help achieve a more "Prosperous" nation? Like Siliconmillionare said, this culture is vastly different than what you would find in a welfare state like norway or sweden. We are intensily individualistic and resentful of govt. coersion through taxation. The reason why there are not uprisings in the streets is because Americans accept a certain degree of inequality, disparity and unfairness in our society. Someone was talking about the "unique individual"--who everyone wants to be. So as long as that carrot is held out there, our social economy will be like a slot machine, lots of losers, a few winners, and intermittant reenforcements and lots of shiny bells and whistles for the majority of losers to encourage them to keep playing, to their probable detriment. Of course, slots is a game of chance, and as Silicon demonstarates, if you have extraordinary and exceptional energy and drive, and have a personality inclined towards sucess in a capatalistic society--you'll probably do better than most. Because life is complicated and circumstantial, this cannot be possible for everyone. the question is, should it be? the answer is NO! What some liberals arbitrarily decide are basic human rights are luxury goods for most people in the world. You can have a market economy and free society, with inequalities up the wazzoo, but (ideally) equal opportunities for all, or you can have a centrally planned, ideologicaly driven leviathan that is anything but free, and trades all the political and economic freedom we take for granted for the most basic, identical economic security for everyone. What we need to abolish is political capitalism and favoratism, towards both corporations and other special interest groups, in favor of a more totally free, lead by example, market economy with volentary communalism where necissary.

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» RE: ight and Wrong Posted by: SiliconDreams
progress
Posted by: Alfredo bremont on Jun 6, 2005 3:33 PM   
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in many ways globalization is gathering the have not in one side and the industrial elites on the other, and this is the confusion you are witnessing worldwide. meaning the end of this industrial elites is near, not even the church who is the right arm of obedience to the dictum of the elites is able to turn the tide. the game is over, in the coming years the economy will deteriorate and the obedience that the labor force had will disappear. and age of confusion which has started officially with the resent French no will spread worldwide, but-out of this confusion enlightenment will surface and the just balance among citizens will prevail once again.

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