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What I Didn't See in Iraq
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If things in Iraq are so much better, why are we not decreasing the number of U.S. forces there? Why is the insurgency showing no signs of waning? Why are we being told that in a few months the administration will again ask Congress for billions of dollars more to fight the war? Why, according to the World Food Programme, is hunger among the Iraqi people getting worse? It's time for some candor, but candor is hard to come by in Iraq.
We were in Iraq for one day--for security reasons, it is U.S. policy that congressional delegations are not allowed to spend the night. We spent most of our time in the heavily fortified Green Zone, which serves as coalition headquarters. It's the most heavily guarded encampment I've ever seen--and it still gets attacked. I even had armed guards accompany me to the bathroom. The briefings we received from U.S. military and diplomatic officials were, to say the least, unsatisfying. The Nixonian approach that our military and diplomatic leaders have adopted in dealing with visiting members of Congress is aimed more at saving face than at engaging in an honest dialogue. At first, our briefers wanted to get away with slick slide presentations, but we insisted on asking real questions and attempting to get real answers.
During one such briefing, Lt. Gen. David Petraeus, tasked with overseeing training of Iraqi security forces, informed us that 147,000 Iraqis had been trained. That sounded good to me. Perhaps we could start reducing the number of American forces, I suggested. But upon further questioning, Gen. Petraeus conceded that less than one-fourth of the 147,000 were actually "combat capable." Why didn't he say that to begin with? I asked--respectfully--our military and diplomatic officials what the gap was between the Iraqis we have trained and the number we needed to train in order to draw down the number of U.S. troops. I could not get a straight answer.
During the morning of our visit, U.S. military officials crowed about a recent operation in which Iraqi security forces had killed 85 insurgents. By the afternoon, when more reports came in, it was unclear how many insurgents had actually been killed and whether the Iraqi security forces had exaggerated their own actions.
I asked both General Petraeus and our embassy about U.S. plans to build military bases in Iraq, which in my view would indicate a prolonged U.S. presence. I was told--emphatically--that there are no plans to construct military bases. Yet Congress recently passed a huge supplemental wartime appropriations bill that includes, at the request of the Bush administration, $500 million for military base construction. In Iraq.
Shortly before we traveled to Iraq we visited Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who lamented the mistakes the United States has made post-invasion, including the total dissolution of all the Iraqi security forces. He said, "The army you disbanded is now the army you're fighting." But I couldn't get a single U.S. official to acknowledge any mistakes. The standard line remains, "We're moving in the right direction."
It's hard to believe that after a two-year occupation the average Iraqi isn't getting tired of the overwhelming U.S. presence. We met with several Iraqi women leaders, including members of the National Assembly, who told us that there was more electricity available in Iraq before the invasion than afterward. It's also certain that the insurgency uses our presence as an organizing tool to recruit members and weapons. While we can all be encouraged by the turnout in the recent Iraqi elections, it is impossible for the Iraqi people to truly determine their own fate in a climate where there is no security.
And while U.S. officials point to a declining number of coalition casualties, there is still an unacceptably high level of violence in Iraq. One military leader told us they can tell that things are changing for the better because when U.S. helicopters fly over certain areas of Iraq, Iraqis wave. Well, I took a helicopter ride (it's too dangerous to drive) from the Baghdad airport to the Green Zone wearing an armored vest and sandwiched between two heavily armed American soldiers who were pointing their guns down at the ground. I suggested to the military leader that perhaps he was confusing a wave with a plea not to shoot.
Our young men and women in uniform are performing their difficult duties extraordinarily well. Indeed, the only honest and direct responses I got from any American in Iraq were from the soldiers. They told me they had been instructed by their superiors not to share any complaints with visitors.
What worries me almost as much as our misguided policy in Iraq is that so many of my colleagues and so many citizens have become resigned to the fact that the war will go on. Congress is not being inundated with letters and phone calls and faxes and e-mails and street protests demanding an end to our presence in Iraq. President Bush's re-election seems to have taken much of the energy out of the anti-war movement. My recent visit to Iraq only strengthened my belief that this war is wrong. And only renewed, passionate dissent by the American people can end it.
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Posted by: highdown@comcast.net on Apr 18, 2005 1:17 PM
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uninformed. Sports and shopping are their main interest.
This country is in DEEP trouble. Just one thing"Bolton" he is the last person that should represent this country. Try to reason the purpose. One could assemble a whole list of such.
This government is doing great damage to this country and
has a plan that if known would shock the world.
When Bus was notified about 9/11 and sat motionless for 12
Min. did he know what was going to happen and was a little
fazed. Just think about what it did and what has happened
since. H.C.
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Posted by: Tankerdeath on Apr 18, 2005 2:44 PM
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Where are all the people who don't give a fuck about who's in the White House and want this imbecility in Iraq to end?
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Posted by: killer on Apr 18, 2005 7:42 PM
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Does Gestapo ring a bell? Kind of like a KKK bonfire after a hot summer rally and a quick hanging by the local mob. Popcorn, hotdogs, soda, candy the voice of the vendor rang through the clamor of the mob as the artifacts were handily cut off the incinerated negro and parcelled out for souveneirs. Heil George!
Yes, by God if you delve into our racist genocidal history you will find a blood curling group of killers who prowl for the mere sport of the kill. Look at the Indian's, African's, and Asian's that ran afoul of the mighty White soldiers. When Whitety ran out of Indians he had a Civil War to kill his own kind. Lets' be realistic about this how long can a White person go without killing somone? Or making some unbearable madness beset some insanely disadvantaged group until life is worth less than a fudge sunday? White people one day your meat will taste sweet... Did anyone really think that 'Jim Crow,' grew up, grew a beard, became a beat-nik, then a hippy, went to Woodstuck, Vietnam, and then set the negroes free on the White man's house lawn in 63? Then settled down got a wife and had these wierd generation X compuker headed hay and lizardlike _reaks? Uh huh yeah right! And we are also going to find the mysterious face on Mars and learn about the secret UFO questions in the cornfield too?
One day a long, long, time from now when people are extinct and massive nuclear mutated cock roaches with super intelligence are holding forth it will strike them as odd that a race of such queer creatures could have ever existed here on this planet for as long as we did before disentegrating our species in a hail of radioactive ICBM's
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Posted by: gaspass on Apr 18, 2005 9:40 PM
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While trying not to quibble too much, it isn't clear to me that the soldiers were pointing their weapons out of the helicopter toward the ground vs simply assuming the standard safe position for their weapons while riding in a helo: muzzle down between the feet so that an accidental discharge won't go through the ceiling and damage the rotor/motor resulting in a deadly crash. I think the distinction is important since the anecdote is used to build an argument. Either it demonstrates a hostile stance that may continue to make us unpopular/shows how dangerous the situation is, or it is no more important than also commenting that everyone put on a seatbelt.
I repeatedly see otherwise effective arguments, particularly involving military issues, severely damaged when the author draws false conclusions from situations he/she doesn't understand or has misinterpreted. I'd like to think that the misinterpretation is out of ignorance, but sometimes I think it is an attempt to exploit a situation assuming that some readers won't notice. Either way, it draws the remainder of the arguments into (unnecessary) question. Certainly there are enough good arguments that Mr. McGovern could have used without throwing in this gratuitous image. If it was an honest mistake, next time ASK!
These sorts of slip-ups are a big part of the reason otherwise open-minded members of the military and their families so often discount progressive opinion. To connect with this group of people you must respect them. And I don't mean in a superficial "Support our Troops" bumper sticker sort of way. I mean in an almost cross-cultural way: understand the language, norms of behavior, and daily concerns. No one should expect to be taken seriously by the local population if they spend a day in an ethnically distinct neighborhood in one of our US cities and then try to interpret everything they saw in terms of their own neighborhood.
The military subculture is likewise distinct, justifiably proud, and resentful of misinterpretation. The more progressive writers and politicians respect this the more effective they'll be.
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Posted by: George Dudley on Apr 19, 2005 5:35 AM
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Pyrrhus 319-272 B.C.
(After defeating the Roman's at Asculum, 279 B.C.)
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Posted by: Andie927 on Apr 19, 2005 3:12 PM
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Considering the number of anti-war demonstrators that have been arrested, including the pregnant wife of one soilder, others were targeted by 'the Feds', to Keep an Eye on, people get scared. Participants in nothing more hostile then groups meeting to discuss the war have been 'infiltrated', for being suspected terrorists. This is no joke, they lock you up as a terrorist, and you don't get a phone call, or a lawyer! No rite of Habious Corpus, they let you go when and if they feel like it. see 60 Minutes web page.
So much for freedom of speech, land of the free, ect!
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Posted by: Milamdrapodu on Apr 20, 2005 10:28 AM
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Posted by: Milamdrapodu on Apr 20, 2005 10:46 AM
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Adolph Hitler 1938
"We come not as conquerors, but as liberators."
George Bush 2003
I'm still waiting for George's victory parade through the streets of downtown Baghdad.
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Posted by: Frank on Apr 20, 2005 4:10 PM
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Rrepresentative of the Third Congressional District of Massachusetts.
Jim wrote: "Before we traveled to Iraq we visited Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who lamented the mistakes the United States has made post-invasion".
Well I’m glad to see you were so well informed on the US military before going to Iraq.
Jim wrote: "I was in Iraq as part of a delegation of eight members of Congress, led by House minority leader Nancy Pelosi. We were in Iraq for only one day--for security reasons. During the morning of our visit, U.S. military officials crowed about a recent operation in which Iraqi security forces had killed 85 insurgents. By the afternoon, when more reports came in, it was unclear how many insurgents had actually been killed and whether the Iraqi security forces had exaggerated their own actions".
Well Jimmy, war is hell, hu?
Jim asked: "If things in Iraq are so much better, why are we not decreasing the number of U.S. forces there?"
If you really and truly don’t honestly know the answer to this, then you should not be allowed to operate and drive a car or any other medium sized machinery, let alone working with Congress.
Jim asked: "Why is the insurgency showing no signs of waning?"
This is a question that aids and abets the enemy Jimmy.
The “insurgency” as you call it, is terrorism! The president said terrorists. Al jazeere arabic news calls them “insurgents” What’s your excuse? Outside the Green Zone they would cut your throat and make a video for your family. The very fact you choose to call these blood thirty barbaric animals “insurgents” and not what they truly are, clearly indicates you can NOT imagine the horror, fear and disgust felt by Kenneth Bigley right now as he sits in his own shit waiting to die. If that was your brother or son, I don’t think you would be calling them insurgents. Every U.S. military person over in Iraq are like brothers and sisters to each other. They can see right through you Jimmy boy and so can the terriorests.
This is the time to rally the troops, but instead you are berating them, calling them almost liars. With your attitude I’m surprised they spoke with you at all.
You are not qualified Sir to represent the Third Congressional District of Massachusetts or any other state in our great land.
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Posted by: Chiron on Apr 21, 2005 1:18 AM
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Posted by: robchapman on Apr 22, 2005 5:42 AM
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The Arabs are not my enemy. The Arabs present no threat to me.
The fanatics on both sides who think that gunfire is the proper riposte to honest disagreement are MY enemies, whether they are American or any other nationality.
The Arabs deserve the right to self determination.
Withdraw the Coalition forces immediately and let them have it.
Robert Chapman
Ithaca, New York
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