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"FOBs" vs. "Twinkies": The Language of Intraracial Discrimination

By Grace Hsiang, Pacific News Service. Posted April 15, 2005.


A young Asian American woman examines the sometimes-bitter debate among her peers between holding fast to one's heritage or embracing a more dominant culture.

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Today in my sociology class, the teacher asked the students to volunteer our own experiences with racism or ethnic harassment. I imagined the responses would once again feature the ongoing battle between white vs. minority. Instead, to my surprise, most of the students told of being discriminated against and marginalized by members of their own ethnic group.

In the Asian community, the slurs heard most often are not terms such as "Chink" or "Jap," but rather "FOB" ("Fresh Off the Boat") or "white-washed" (too assimilated). When Asian Americans hit puberty, they seem to divide into two camps, each highly critical of the other.

Members of the first cling to their ethnic heritage. They tend to be exclusive in their friendships, often accepting only "true Asians." They believe relationships should remain within the community, and may even opt to speak their parents' native language over English in public.

Members of the second group reject as many aspects of Asian culture as possible and concentrate on being seen as American. They go out of their way to refuse to date within the community, embrace friends outside their ethnic circle, and even boast to others about how un-Asian they are.

"My co-worker is Vietnamese," 19-year-old Carol Lieu remarked, "but she will yell at you if you speak it to her and pretend that she doesn't understand."

Second generation Asian Americans often face pressure from their parents, who believe that the privileges we are allowed in this country make us spoiled and ungrateful. Many of us very much want to belong to our parents' community, but we cannot completely embody one culture when we are living in another.

The pressures we face force many of us to feel we must choose one culture over another. We can either cling to our parent's ideology, or rebel against it and try to be "American."

The problems start when those who have made one choice discriminate against those who have made the other. I've heard ethnocentric Asians speak with disgust about Asians who wear Abercrombie and Fitch (which is viewed as the ultimate "white" brand), or make fun of those who don't know their parents' language. This perspective even made it into the recent hit movie "Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle." John Cho's character complains about a girl who is pursuing him despite his lack of interest: She "rambles on about her East Asian Students Club or whatever. Then I have to actually pretend that I give a s--t or she calls me a Twinkie ... yellow on the outside, white on the inside."

"People act disappointed that I can't speak Japanese fluently," a student of Mexican and Japanese ancestry in my sociology class complained this morning. "I don't see anyone giving me credit for speaking fluent Gaelic."

On the other side, second-generation kids who refuse to assimilate are called FOBs. The cars they drive are derided as "Rice Rockets," and their pastimes and ways of dressing are stereotyped as exclusively Asian. "We live in America," one freshman political science major recalls more assimilated friends telling her. "Don't bring your culture here."

Not all young Asian Americans buy into the dichotomy between "FOBs" and "Twinkies." Many, like me, understand the term "Asian American" in all its complexity, and embrace all sides of our identity. Rather than identifying with one culture or another, my friends and I accept both.

You should identify with your heritage "because that's who you are," Ricky Kim, founder of the online journal Evil Monito, has said. "But don't be ignorant of the culture you grew up in -- that's being ungrateful."

Asian Americans grow up experiencing enough difficulties living in a predominately white country with the face of a foreigner. The gap between races is wide enough without drawing lines within ethnicities and communities. We can avoid this internal discrimination simply by recognizing that we are of two cultures -- and that in itself creates a new culture that should be fully celebrated.

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Grace Hsiang, 18, is a freshman at the University of California at Irvine and an intern for SOMA magazine in San Francisco.

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hi grace
Posted by: thepakattack on Apr 16, 2005 5:21 PM   
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you eat flied lice?

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» hey jackass Posted by: itti13
» RE: hey jackass Posted by: thepakattack
pox on...
Posted by: tokroni on Apr 17, 2005 10:29 AM   
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The term Asian it self is a croak of shit.

As a dark skin Malay, I received my share of racist taunts and gang beat-ups in school from Chinese boys who think I am beneath them. Plus rude bastards who spek their gibberish right in front of my face amongst themselves . Hello...common courtesy please.

The pox on all Chinese

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» RE: pox on... Posted by: missdior
It's sad that this is still such a problem
Posted by: terihu on Apr 18, 2005 3:17 AM   
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Hi Grace, glad to see you're still writing, and getting your work out there.

I enjoyed your piece, but it's really aggravating that this same stupid debate is still raging on decades after Asian immigration began to boom. You'd think folks would've gotten over these artificial constructs by now. "FOBs vs ABCs" was the way it was framed when I was your age, and it goes even further back, to the 60s Civil Rights era.

I hope that you're getting some Asian American history down there in Irvine to put some perspective into all of this. Good luck, and keep writing.

Teri

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Same thing different color
Posted by: spookywhite on Apr 18, 2005 7:04 AM   
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Dear Grace,

Your thoughts reflect a commonness that I think is shared all over with people of color here in America. How does one reconcile their ethnic identity with one of assimilation? America despite it's melting pot charade, is on some levels all about not intergration but assimilation into primarily white mainstream culture and values. As an African-American, I have had my fair share among other black people questioning how black I was because of the way I spoke, the way I'd dressed, who were my friends,my education, did I know my history, etc.
It's quite challenging at times trying to figure out how much of mainstream society values or assimilation you are comfortable with while maintaining a sense of your ethnic identity. I have often found that the most vocal, criticizing types, which I call in my case, "black litmus testers" were most hypercritical and didn't truly practice what they
preached. Keep doing your thing Grace. Pick and choose but always ask yourself, why?

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old news
Posted by: jesuisunerockstar on Apr 19, 2005 7:07 AM   
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i was severely disappointed with the limited discussion in this article! the author is 18 and asian-american and hasn't picked up a copy of the joy luck club yet? this isn't some strange new concept to 2nd gen. asian-americans, in fact its been discussed in great detail for the past 30 years and from every angle. it's a shame that the debate was framed by the battle of hateful language between the "asians that happen to live in america" and the "americans that happen to be asian" despite the author claiming to be part of neither group and having found some perfect combination. She clearly structured the article from such an outsiders view point yet we only hear "my friends and I accept both [cultures]" and no further importance is given one what exactly that is. but this "medium" seems to also be the conclusion to the article!? too much concentration was drawn on the petty arguments and racist terms exchanged between the two extremes that the article seems completely devoid of any thought-provoking question or quality conversation. i think the author adding her point of view/experience in finding that "medium" and including at least an acknowledgement of the history behind the topic could only make this article better.

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» RE: old news Posted by: Kym525
ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS
Posted by: susan9390 on Apr 21, 2005 10:52 PM   
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...are different from nationalities. I think there would be a lot less discrimination if we all just called ourselves Americans and dropped all this hyphenated stuff. I know blacks who have no African heritage whatsoever, for example. Or "Mexican-Americans" who don't have a drop of hispanic blood.
Ethnic background is about heritage, about roots. It's something we learn about from our elders as we grow up. I am myself second-generation American; both of my parents were brought up with English as their second language. But I don't feel any less American than a Daughter of the American Revolution or a Navaho woman. I used my heritage when it came time to select a foreign language to study, but it certainly didn't influence my selection of friends (multi-colored) or mates (one mostly French and one mostly Irish).

My grandparents had it tough with a new language and culture to assimilate, but my parents were lucky enough to grow up bilingual Americans. Let's get together, folks, and drop the silly hyphens. I think we're the only country that considers hypenated group descriptors as politically correct.

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» RE: THNIC BACKGROUNDS Posted by: ghsiang