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Wal-Mart's Wily Ways

By Kelly Hearn, AlterNet. Posted April 13, 2005.


A softer, gentler megacolossal? Wal-Mart would like you to think so.

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Pelted by bad press and needing some image wax, Wal-Mart last week broke with company tradition by bringing journalists to its headquarters in Bentonville, Arkansas for the company's first-ever media event.

The unusual openness is part of Wal-Mart's image-enhancing PR push involving newspaper ads in major markets, television commercials, support for public broadcasting, grants to major journalism schools and sponsorship of an ABC news program segment about American values.

So far the campaign has drawn fire from trade groups, politicians and activists. And it has added insult to injury for community newspapers, a Wal-Mart casualty the company now badly needs to spread its gospel locally. Wal-Mart's CEO H. Lee Scott said in a January interview with USA Today that the megastore was taking its proactive media campaign to "the very local level," something that undoubtedly will require making friends out of miffed local editors.

Community papers are typically small papers that are independently owned by families or smaller chains, and tend to cover local news. For years, community papers have suffered as Wal-Mart, an infrequent newspaper advertiser, pushes out traditional department stores, the bread and butter of local papers. Department stores accounted for 5.5 percent of non-auto retail sales in 1990 but only 3.3 percent by 2002, according to the Newspaper Association of America. That number is expected to decline to 2.1 percent by 2010. What's more, many retailers went from offering occasional sales that needed to be advertised, to mimicking Wal-Mart's "everyday low prices" model.

Another hit came when Wal-Mart moved into provider groceries, which cut into newspapers' grocery insert revenues. Also, experts say changes in the retail industry, many caused by the giant retailer, are making penny pinchers of surviving retail advertisers who see declining newspaper readerships and high ad prices as reasons to use alternatives like data-based and direct-to-consumer marketing.

"Wal-Mart is a strong user of television, not newspaper advertising," says Len Kubas of Kubas Consulting, a Canadian market analysis company that studies U.S. newspaper markets. "If they do sometimes use print it is primarily for preprints or inserts or circulars that would be distributed by daily or community papers in areas where they have stores."

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While the woes of local rags can't all be traced to Bentonville, anecdotal evidence suggests the impact is big. A report co-authored by the Project for Excellence in Journalism and citing statistics by Deutsche Bank Securities, shows superstores' chunk of the general merchandise market went from 16 percent in 1992 to 50 percent in 2004. From 1991 to 2004, retail ad growth at newspapers shrunk from 4 percent to 1 percent.

Such statistics make for cool relations with local papers like Suffolk Life, a community newspaper in New Jersey that took Wal-Mart to editorial task for having "killed off the small retailers ... [and] strangling yet another key member of the community -- the local newspapers." The Business Ledger, a monthly business journal in Delaware, noting the fact that Wal-Mart's managers often lacked the "community involvement skills of their predecessors," has written that "it is no surprise that the community press -- to this day still heavily represented by hard-working family owners -- grew to quietly despise the company, as even the discretionary budgets dried up and the company continued to drive down costs."

Against this backdrop, Wal-Mart bought ads in January in more than 100 major market newspapers across the country, including USA Today, the Wall Street Journal and The New York Times. The ad was a direct letter from CEO Scott, who wrote that it was time for the public to hear the "unfiltered truth" about Wal-Mart. He took issue with "urban legends" about the company and said it was time to set the record straight.

Yet at the same time, Hill & Knowlton, Wal-Mart's blue chip PR agency, was pitching an identical message to community editors as news, offering small market papers interviews with corporate executives who were primed to polish Wal-Mart's image to a high sheen.

"I took it as an affront," says Mike Buffington, publisher of four community newspapers and president of the National Newspaper Association. "Basically they had gone to the larger papers and bought a one-page ad extolling the virtues of the company and answering their critics. They then pitched the same information to community papers to run it as bluff PR."

After a PR rep called him, Buffington, wearing his NNA hat, fired off a letter to H. Lee Scott:

As both a newspaper publisher and as a spokesman for several thousand community newspapers in America, I want to let you know that I, and many of my fellow publishers, are insulted by this Wal-Mart PR effort. Wal-Mart built its foundation of stores in many of our rural and suburban communities, the places where I, and many of my fellow publishers, operate newspapers. Yet community newspapers across the nation are all but invisible to Wal-Mart unless the company is looking for some free PR in our pages. Wal-Mart has a fairly standard policy of doing little to no local newspaper advertising.

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Kelly Hearn is a former UPI staff writer who lives in Washington DC and Latin America. His work has appeared in several U.S. publications and websites including the Christian Science Monitor, American Prospect and High Country News.

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PR campaigns work
Posted by: lamar on Apr 13, 2005 6:21 AM   
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Walmart can get away with glib PR campaigns because they work. Americans are not smart enough to see through the hype (even the liberal elite intellectual Audi drivers). This is true of almost every industry. Does anybody care what Nike does to their workers? No, people care that Nike makes the word impossible mean you can do it. Does anybody care that Subway sandwiches are all bread? No, people care that some fat guy ate Subway and became skinny. Does anybody care that creativity in entertainment has dropped to the point that 'reality shows' have supplanted actual creativity? No, people just want to know what Nick and Jessica are doing. The point is that people will thrive on whatever crap is available without any type of critical thinking. Is this a failure of our education system, media structure or something else? Or is it even a failure? Maybe America, despite its size and power, is destined to be a silly little backwater where people eat, shop and work in hives, and only the rich will be able to live in New York City or San Francisco, where a corner deli is still owned by some guy with an actual name. Afterall, if we (as a country) buy into PR campaigns as truth, how can we claim to be intellectually or culturally advanced?

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» RE: PR campaigns work Posted by: joodi
THIS IS A NEW DAY, ALL NEED TO ADAPT!!!!!
Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 13, 2005 7:05 AM   
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The thing that makes america great, is it is on the leading edge of change. There are always those that attempt to resist change but it dont work. All the fighting does is raise the price at Walmart to compensate for the additional expence. A greed based type of country is best in the retail market as only the strong survive. that means you will get the best and most current services. Russia tried the gov. controlled retail and we all know what happened there. They now are changing to a greed based country because the selections, prices and avalibilty keep pace with the people. I don't know for sure but I think we are going into the world gov. phase. If this is right, then we are going to see many changes. We will have to learn to do more with less and that is going to be hard for us. IN other words poor countries are going to come up and rich country's will go down. [look at china] We cannot stop this so we better learn how to survive in this new world we live in. If this is the case, then we really need to thank Walmart for the services that they provide. Many fat cats of yesterday will scream the loudest but they won't stop progress. Walmart is not the only retail that is changing, look at the other big chains. They have to change or won't stay in bussiness. Look at sears and you will certainly see changes in the last 10 years. They almost lost it and what a shame. Walmart cut prices and you have more because of it. Keep up the great work!!! We need more just like you in all the fields of retail.

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» Amen Brother!! Posted by: Diecash1
Environmentalists?
Posted by: yeimaya on Apr 13, 2005 7:13 AM   
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Our local NPR, replete with Walmart advertising, had a short blurb the other day on local Maine news that Walmart is supporting conservations easements????? What is that all about. They have definitely "paved paradise and put up many parking lots" here in Maine.

I am very suspicious and uneasy...

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A new era?
Posted by: elektrared on Apr 13, 2005 8:04 AM   
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Walmart pays its employees substandard wages and treats them poorly to boot, yet we as a nation still shop there, gobble up all the stuff we can shove into our fat faces and our supersized homes while needing storage space. Disgusting. No wonder our economy is in the toilet.

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Walmart is treated like a redheaded stepchild
Posted by: reason on Apr 13, 2005 8:04 AM   
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I am glad we have Wal-mart. You can save 10-20% shopping there. They don't buy any more from foreign countries than other stores, they just pass the savings on.

My children can't tell the difference if I buy at Wal-mart or Toys R Us once I take the tags off.

My sister works for Walmart and gets profit share and can buy stocks directly. She has worked for two other companies and said she would have been far better off had she always worked for Walmart.

Walmart promotes people who don't have a college education.

The newspapers are 99% owned by huge conglomerates even though they have kept the small town names. They endorse Republicans.

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SOME SMALL RETAILERS ARE STILL MAKING MONEY!!!
Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 13, 2005 8:53 AM   
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The small retail stores that are continuing to make money right along with walmart are the ones that adapt to todays market. They are changing their merchendise they sell to items that walmart is not. Again more choices for the shopper. Walmart carries a limited amount of each item they sell. One thing I will never forget is the day I bought a wedding present for a friend. I spent forty some dollars for a gift at a small store and then latter I found the same thing at Walmart for twenty some dollars. Not only did I lose money, but I then thought about the friend thinking I was a cheap skate!!!! I wonder if the small store owner had prime rib with the money I paid extra??? If so, it will be the last one I buy for him!! I bet you he laughed all the way to the bank!!! Well I think you know how I feel and I sure hope for your family's sake you feel the same way!! If not please ask for my address and you can throw your money away to me and I will go to Walmart and really get a value for a great price!!
Thanking you in advance, I REMAIN TRULY YOURS!!!

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» Wake up Posted by: Diecash1
» I CAN'T SEEM TO GET ANY SLEEP!! Posted by: WONDERWALEYE
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» Not always low prices Posted by: Duffy
You Are Barking Up the Wrong Tree!!
Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 13, 2005 9:54 AM   
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If Wallmart is building a new store somewhere you don't like, petition local government.

If Wallmart is paying low wages, petition state and federal governments to raise minimum wage and/or lower taxes for low-income earners and increase social spending (e.g. health care).

If Wallmart is making it too easy and cheap to buy things, thus fueling out-of-control consumption that destroys the environment, petition consumers to reduce consumption and petition governments to start taxing environmental destruction (e.g. gasoline tax to raise cost the of transporting these goods thus reducing demand).

Stop petitioning Wallmart. It is a corporation - it cannot be blamed for trying to make money within the confines of the law.

In fact, as pointed out by another commentary above, Wallmart charges 10% to 20% less for the same products sold elsewhere. The biggest beneficiary of this are consumers, especially low income earners. Wallmart is able to achieve these cost reductions by volume-buying and price-squeezing its suppliers and passing those cost reductions onto the less rich people who go to its stores. It also saves money through efficiency, which it also passes on to its customers.

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Wallmart's Effect on My Community
Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 13, 2005 9:59 AM   
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I am from a small community.

Since the arrival of Wallmart, many of the stores downtown were forced to close.

Many of the people who now shop at Wallmart have more money to save and spend on other things.

Now, my downtown is going through a sort-of renaissance. Old, crappy boutiques that closed when Wallmart came, are re-opening as cafes and restaurants, where the locals spend their newfound money.

I am glad that Wallmart came to my town.

Although I am glad that I am not personally working at Wallmart, I suppose it would be better than having no job. Unemployment has gone down since Wallmart came.

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» just wait Posted by: iamtrip
Obviously some don't get it
Posted by: hbw on Apr 13, 2005 10:32 AM   
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Defending Mal-Wart because of low prices is naive at best. The low price is an advantage to consumers, yes, or else gazillions of Americans wouldn't be so loyal to the chain. But they can offer these prices only because they are f***ing humongous, and they got that way by cutting wages, crushing unions, and twisting manufacturers' arms to move production to Chinese wage-slave camps. All those damn US flags they sold after 9/11 were made in Chinese sweatshops. A lot of people get hurt, financially and otherwise, just so you can save a little money, because after Wal-Mart has cost you your job, those savings look pretty good.

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» RE: Obviously some don't get it Posted by: Uppipymclip
mmclellan's misspelling deliberate?
Posted by: lamar on Apr 13, 2005 11:17 AM   
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I wonder if "MMcClellan" is deliberately misspelling "Wallmart" to hide his or her obvious connection to the store? By the way, people who work at Walmart generally don't have a bunch of cash to hang out at trendy downtown cafes.

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changing with the times, it sucks for who?
Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 1:08 PM   
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I have got a walmart to the right of me, one to the left of me , one right in front of me and one right behind me!

as for LOW wages, we got all the low wages here in Arizona!
even our markets that AREN'T Walmart pay 5.15 hr part time. they no longer have full time, and they are UNION!!!!

I am not $Moneybags$ ok? so, if I can get a shirt that costs 40$ in the mall, and 10$ for the same one at walmart, well, you got it! I am gonna save that 30$ and either save it, or buy 3 more like it!

We, as Americans, (or at least this one) need to save for retirement. I can stick that 30$ in my account (or in my case, under the mattress) and go around enjoying life just like every other American! If anything, Walmart made buying items possible by having the lowest prices. It does not mean I do not shop other places, I just spend my money a bit wiser than I used to.
We have 24/7 open walmarts here, and I love shopping early in the morning around 2 am or 3 when everyone else is asleep! Stores have alot to learn from Walmart, they know how to accomodate consumer with awesome prices and flexibility. Bankers hours don't work, people! expecially for us night owls. before Walmart, we were basically left in the dark. So, I will continue to shop walmart because I am a consumer who has ADAPTED to not shopping in malls and enjoys saving a buck or two!
as for employees working for minimum wage, it is not like they HAVE to work there, they would find the same thing going on at frys, food city, kmart, target, etc.... why is walmart getting all the slack????

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Low costs of Wal-Mart
Posted by: tobykreidler on Apr 13, 2005 1:24 PM   
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While you may pay less directly for the items that you buy (and this is not always even the case, the company is very good at having a key item that is cheaper - usually the cheapest version of the product, while having the other models/brands be on a more comparable pricing scale with other retailers), what most people are not conscious of is the indirect costs. $9.68 is not enough to raise a family on, so Wal-mart employees must access public assistance (food stamps, heating assistance, & the like). We pay for this. Add it to the cost of the goods you are buying. Wal-Mart receives billions in subsidies from local governments when they build their stores (in the form of land grants, tax abatements, etc). This makes sense for manufacturing because they bring revenue into a community from the outside, but not for retail, which simply recycles (and removes) money from a community. Add these to the cost of your goods. Wal-mart insures only 1/3 of its workers. We as tax payers pick up the tab when the rest are sick (thats over 1 million people). Add that to the cost of your Wal-mart purchase. I could go on. Ultimately, the problem is that if we are moving our manufacturing jobs oversees, we need to replace them with jobs that offer comparable wages & benefits. We are not. Soon none of us will be able to afford anything but Wal-mart.

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» RE: Low costs of Wal-Mart Posted by: Lathor
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» RE: Low costs of Wal-Mart Posted by: davidt
It is not that I do not get it, I am just saying it makes no sense...
Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 1:48 PM   
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I understand the effect on families because of minimum wage in general. FASTFOOD is notorious for minimum wage prices where you have to seek assistance to pay your bills, and go shopping at your local food bank, etc. However, are you really blindsighted to think that WALMART is the only place doing this? I worked in a MALL 5 years ago, where they not only paid minimum wage, but EXPECTED ME TO WORK OFF THE CLOCK!!!do you think this is an isolated case??? NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!Since I have recieved assistance in the past due to low paying jobs, don't you think that if we were going to make a big deal about this, than we need to come down on many other stores doing the same thing? that would only be fair, and why is this going on now? this is nothing new that I haven't seen most of my adult working life of 15 years! heck, when I worked as a busser in my HS days, I made the same as the waitresses. 2.15 an hour!!!! barely enough to keep gas in my car, and light maintenance! Now, why aren't we going after restaurants that charge you 20-50$ A PLATE, and still pay 2.30 an hour? what the heck? do you honestly believe that every restaurant recieves great tips, or something? and FYI, I have a friend who works at Walmart who actually brags about how he is moving up in the company. He makes around the same as I do as a bus operator. What a buch of BOGUS this is! lets get behind the REAL story of why WALMART is being trashed, why don't we?

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warpig from Canada
Posted by: warpig on Apr 13, 2005 2:07 PM   
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The predominant positive points regarding Wal-Marts are that it brings cheap items in abundance to the local community, and that in turn helps the economy by supplying jobs of similar benefit to what was lost, new development and 'consumer happiness'. I guess 'consumer happiness' cannot be quantified monetarily, but it certainly is high on the goodie list.
One person mentioned that he needed to save for his retirement, and that by buying a shirt $30 cheaper he could therefore save that money.
I would hazard to guess that perhaps he, like most of us, didn't need that shirt in the first place. It's my point that Wal-Mart robs us of money by enticing us with overwhelming choices at prices we can't refuse. When the day is over, if one spends $60 at Wal-Mart, what has one bought that is really of any value? Chances are you didn't need any of it, and therefore $60 dollars is now lost. The main principle of saving is thrift, not thrifty spending. Most of it is of poor quality anyway, and you'll be back to replace it. That's double the loss.
Now factor in that Wal-Marts strives to avoid local property tax, are hugh importers that send your dollars overseas, do not return. If that is a net gain to you and your community, you're math is fuzzy. It's about more than your closet full of yard-sale items. And there in lays the problem with your economy. Ours too.

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alwaysreflective
Posted by: danbrendavis on Apr 13, 2005 2:36 PM   
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This, and articles like it seems to be one of the success stories of the neo-cons. There may be problems with the way Wal-Marts are run, but the bottom line is that Wal-Mart has the cheapest prices and that is why they are beating the competition. Neo-cons hate competative pricing, and therefore, a push to make Wal-Mart out to be the bad guy. Where are all of the protests that fast food restaurants can't give their employees good wages or benefits? Who expects to make much more than minimun wage at the local grocery store? The sales tax revenues that a local Wal-Mart give to local towns and counties is enough to welcome a new store. Be careful of what you read, since this is a typical neo-con tactic to discourage competition in prices.

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seattle
Posted by: heliana on Apr 13, 2005 3:13 PM   
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I live about ten minutes away from a WalMart, but I never shop there. I don't actually shop anymore in the entertainment sense of the word.
I buy clothes twice a year, I buy what I need and the best quality I can afford. I don't have a lot of clothes anymore, but what I have fits better and looks better.
I get good haircuts twice a year but I don't buy hair styling products. I buy sunblock, moisturizer, some make-up, and natural hygiene necessities, but nothing else. Toner is a marketing invention and face soap is no different than body soap, just marketed smartly. It's better to not use it at all on your face. Warm water works great.
I shop around the supermarket rather than on the islands in the middle and I get a lot of fresh produce, meat, milk and cheese. I don't buy anything overly packaged.
I made all these changes when I lost my job, but I kept it up even when I found a new job because I realized I don't have to waste time to manage my "possessions" anymore, simply because right now I own only what I know I'll use, not what I think I need. Even though I get better stuff, I spend probably 50% less than I used to. I don't shop sales and I rarely visit discount stores anymore.
It's awesome not to have to deal with clutter or bills.
My closets aren't bulging, my bathroom is tidy, and my house organized. I don't need clothes organizers, bill organizers, or any house management implements.
It feels good.

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cynicalinfla
Posted by: logrol62 on Apr 13, 2005 3:21 PM   
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Went to a super wallyworld this past weekend. Chaos. Not a user friendly place. The smaller, old Walmarts are much more shopper friendly. Many of the people shopping there remind me of the idiots on the highways with cellphones jammed in their ears. No courtesy, "get out of my way" attitudes, young and old alike.

I'll do my business elsewhere from now on. It may cost a buck or two more, but at least I'll be able to shop in peace.

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mtnman
Posted by: mtnman on Apr 13, 2005 3:38 PM   
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I wonder if one translated the mentioned savings of a 40 dollar shirt selling for 10 dollars at Walmart in gas prices, where all across the country at each Walmart site they were selling gas at one-forth the cost. How many would complain then?

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La dee DA -I am glad your mommies still feed you!
Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 3:42 PM   
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Feeding the Hubby can be expensive. Sorry, I cannot afford your wine and dine tastes. I buy clothes for me, the hubby, the nieces and nephews at Walmart. I goto estate sales and shop further picking through the endless goodies at extremely cheap prices. People like me, and others like me will continue to keep Walmart open, despite the fact you do not like change. Maybe YOU have the couple of extra bucks your Mommy and Daddy gave you to pay for the "more expensive clothes and food, and maybe even college too!" but as for me, well, I pave my own way in this life, a hard lesson I learned while"growing up". maybe someday you too will stop bashing people who shop at Walmart. and, as for the clothes you had to return, because you said it was of "Poor Quality", I don't doubt that. but, maybe you should admit to yourself you might be of a larger SIZE now!
audios!

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You Dorks are probably closet Wal-mart Shoppers!!!!!
Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 13, 2005 3:58 PM   
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Well, I guess there was a reason for keeping Walmart open at night, after all! I mean, GASP what if a neighbor saw you shopping at WALMART!!!! oh! THE HORROR OF IT!

Besides, even if you didn't need any extra money, how about all those starving people in Africa, India or even china that only cost pennies a day to feed? where is your Humanity for GOD"S sake? you don't have to SPECIFICALLY shop at Walmart! bESIDES, Walmart is a place where you buy your generics, the cheaper stuff before you go out and shopping! My grandmother was a well off lady, and she had no problem shopping at Walmart, for herself or her grandchildren. Maybe I should go tell her she can't shop there, and be like the rest of you snobby people who avoid Walmart!

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» The secret is out!!!! Posted by: Diecash1
» RE: The secret is out!!!! Posted by: anejo7
While "growing up".........
Posted by: Diecash1 on Apr 13, 2005 5:27 PM   
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Perhaps you should have borrowed some money while growing up to go to college because you obviously have alot to learn!
Shopping at WM is pathetic!!!! You know for certain that they have nothing but negative effects on every they touch; wages, benefits, worker safety, the environment, the trade deficit, etc, yet you still shop there. You're probably one of those people that whines about your lot in life, how you can never get ahead, save for your kid's college or your own retirement. You really need to stop and consider your actions. No one is telling you not to save money on your shopping; WM is not the only place to do that. You can do it at many local stores in your community if you take the time to look around and you would be doing some good for your local economy too. If you don't believe that WM is bad, watch Frontline on PBS. They did a show on WM last November. It would be very enlightening for you and the other WM lovers.

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Walmart exploits Chinese laborers
Posted by: citizen on Apr 13, 2005 6:11 PM   
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"Wal-Mart pressures the factory to cut its price, and the factory responds with longer hours or lower pay," said a Chinese labor official, who declined to be named for fear of punishment. "And the workers have no options."

In the city of Dongguan in southern Guangdong province, where Wal-Mart suppliers are concentrated, a 27-year-old worker who gave her name as Miss Qin complained that she can rarely afford meat with her $75-per-month wages at Kaida Toy Co. "Every day we eat vegetables, mostly we eat vegetables," she said, leaning over a plate of fried carrots in a dingy restaurant.

Qin helps make plastic toy trains for Wal-Mart, but says she cannot afford to buy toys for her 9-year-old son. "In four years, they haven't increased the salary," she said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com
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Feb7?language=printer

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» RE: Walmart exploits Chinese laborers Posted by: Just Some Dude
Union Representation
Posted by: mebadgett on Apr 14, 2005 12:13 AM   
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Can the "associates" at Wal Mart vote for union representation without fear of losing their jobs?

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ecent salaries and health benefits
Posted by: fruitcrow on Apr 14, 2005 5:24 AM   
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If Walmart paid its employees decent salaries and provided benefits, they would not have to pay for all that PR, and if they had fair promotion policies, their legal fees would certainly decrease...There are several reports that this company pays so little that many of its employees have to use food stamps and medicaid, which are paid for with our tax money.....and in comparison to many other corporations their charitable donations are not so hot...

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OOPS! It's 777 not 77!
Posted by: mrsmagoo on Apr 14, 2005 8:21 AM   
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Excuse me. The comment was meant for "Morningstar777" and NOT "Morningstar 77".

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Walmart is just a numbers game!!
Posted by: RevRick on Apr 14, 2005 11:25 AM   
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There is no doubt that you can save 10%-20% at the checkout at Wal-Mart over most other stores. However you are not really saving that money, Wal-Mart is just pulling a fast one on you.

If you look at The Hidden Cost of Wal-Mart Jobs you can see that Wal-Mart employees make on average 31% less than the industry average. Now you as a consumer might be so happy that you are saving 20% that you don't care about that. However as a taxpayer you might be concerned that Wal-Mart employee's cost the state of California an estimated $86 Million a year in public assistance ($32 Million on heath care, $54 Million in other assistance). Wal-Mart employee's use 40% more public assistance for heath care than the industry average. They also use 38% more assistance like food stamps, subsidized housing and school lunches.

So you save a little bit at the checkout. However if you shopped at a retailer that treated their employee's decently the owner wouldn't be eating steak on you as a previous poster suggested, but his employee's wouldn't need your taxes to pay for the basic needs of life, and you wouldn't need to pay for all of the overhead for the government to provide for these people. By the time the "savings" come back around as taxes you can bet it’s increased many times over just to pay for the assistance system itself.

Please try to look beyond the instant gratification of 20% savings at the checkout and consider the real cost of what you are doing.

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Wally World and the Waltons should be ashamed of themselves!
Posted by: tinaja on Apr 14, 2005 11:49 AM   
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Spend all the money you want on heart warming television advertising, but it won't do you any good. Those of us who are using our brains, know you are trying to buy us off. Your practices may bring cheap goods but at a very high price. People in this country are desperate for what little money they make to stretch. But, with all the jobs going overseas to cheap slave labor camps, the incentive of cheap prices will mean nothing if pay checks don't exist.

I understand that the Waltons are among the top ten riches people in the world. I also understand that Bill and Melinda Gates donated their entire stock dividends last year to charity. This figure was approximately 3 billion dollars. The Gates donated more money in one year than the Waltons have donated in their entire lifetime! How sad!

I refuse to shop Wally World!!!!!!!!!!

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Walmart Commercials Need To Tell Truth
Posted by: Jordon on Apr 14, 2005 1:59 PM   
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You've all seen the Walmart commercials showing the smiley face slashing prices right? Why doesn't Walmart tell the whole truth, and show the evil smiley slashing employee wages, the jobs of employees who try to unionize (which is a crime, yet conveneintly ignored by the government), and all the local small businesses it destroys. Even here in Canada, Walmarts that have attempted to unionize have been shut down, and our laws are much tougher than the American ones. I urge acts of vandalism against all Walmart property in the US (not its employees, or atleast not its store employees, they suffer as much as you do).

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iTS GOOD TO SEE THAT I WON'T BE SEEING YOU AT WALMART.
Posted by: morningstar777 on Apr 15, 2005 11:52 AM   
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Not everyone out there is SPEWING hate for those who shop at Walmart, that is a good thing. It seems some peoples comments actually accuse me of being a "republican". personally, nothing could be further from the truth, but I am glad I have your attention, despite the fowl mouthed language, and propaganda. You have insulted my intelligence, my shopping, my education, and my beliefs. SHAME ON YOU. GO remove the PLANK out of your own eye, before removing the SPECK out of mine! I am a DEMOCRAT because I can think for myself. I do not need someone telling me to stop shopping at a certain place, just because I am told to! and, this just goes to show, you can not believe ANYTHING you hear, or ANYTHING that is written! When you run out of material, and start insulting one another (mainly me) you look no better than the druggie RUSH LIMBAUGH who spreads his lies so thick you could cut it with a knife. DO not insult my intelligence, if you do not know me. Keep your slanders on the RIGHT wing. I merely state, I will shop at Walmart despite your opinion, despite this article, and yes, I know secret Walmart shoppers who, to this day, despite constant whining for the poor crack heads in CHINA still shop at walmart, and it will continue! would you prefer to take the few crumbs out of the mouths of the poor, just to get your point across? The problem with some Democrats, is they always wanna feed everyone. I am even guilty of this! but, reality is this. I cannot afford 60$ for a pair of jeans, that I can get on sale at WALMART, for 10 or 20 dollars. So, don't tell me what I need to believe, where I need to shop, what school I need to goto, what my parents should have done for me, in other words, before you label me, and bash me, why don't you use the intellect you supposedly had to question my actions, instead of acting like a bunch of hateful republicans???

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Walmart aint all bad
Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 15, 2005 12:52 PM   
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It is true that Walmart jobs are not great in terms of pay and benefits. It is true that Walmart sources a lot of its goods from company's whose production takes place in third-world sweatshops. It is true that Walmart opposes unionization. There are also a lot of other negative truisms about Walmart.

The commonality between all these negative truisms can be applied to most corporations. Walmart is just slightly worse, which is the reason for its success. Simply put, Walmart is the most successful at keeping its costs down.

Economic theory and plenty of empirical evidence suggests that when Walmart is lowering costs and clobbering the competition, overall society will gain, albeit their are many stakeholders who lose along the way.

Corporations, such as Walmart, are permitted to commit these negative truisms (ie lower costs) in the name of the greater good.

HOWEVER, governments have FAILED MISERABLY at compensating the losing stakeholders and spreading the overall benefits to broader society.

Walmart should not be blamed for cutting costs - it is nature of the corporation. If we want to maintain our standard of living, we must be prepared to deal with the social effects of a rapidly changing quasi-capitalist economy and the corporations that carry out its business.

Governments are not doing their job to protect citizens from the systematic injustices that arise as a result of our changing economy.

To protect the losing stakeholders in Walmart's expansion, government should:

(1) Lower taxes for the poor
(2) Provide unemployment insurance and training programs to facilitate career adjustment.
(3) Provide basic services for all citizens, including medicare.
(4) Raise taxes on the consumption of natural resources and pollution. (Currently Walmart customers are getting cheap good at the expense of future generations who will have to suffer and clean up the environmental mess.)

These steps will help allow society to take advantage of the gains brought about by Walmart's efficiency, while justly dealing with the losing stakeholders.

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Wallmart ain't all bad 2
Posted by: mmclellan on Apr 15, 2005 12:54 PM   
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Governments should not:

(1) Promote unionization. This promotes inefficiencies and pay inequality. Overall, unionization does a diservice to the classes it purports to help. Lower taxes and better government services are a far more equitable and cost efficient option.
(2) Put up trade restrictions with China or other countries. Buying their goods helps them pull themselves out of the slummy, poverty in which they have lived for too long while concomitantly helping them throw off the yoke of authoritarianism. Rather, governments should tax environmental destruction - with this type of tax consumption and pollution levels can be reduced most efficiently to sustainable levels.

The Walmart issue is a poor choice of issues to pursue for progressives. Walmart does too much good in lowering the prices of goods for the lower-income segment of society. To oppose Walmart is in some way to oppose those whom progressives would like to help most.

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» RE: Wallmart ain't all bad 2 Posted by: Cathyblj
Here is what Walmart is really about.
Posted by: pscholes18 on Apr 15, 2005 9:25 PM   
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/ frontline/shows/walmart/view/

Take the space out between the slash and "frontline". The page wouldnt let me ue that many characters.

http://www.post-gazette.com /pg/05100/485943.stm

Again, take the space out between the slash and "com"

SHADY...THIS COMPANY IS SOO SHADY!!!! Watch, read and learn. I bet it wont sway you pro Walmart shoppers. Youll continue to support this evil UNamerican company.

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