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The Culture of Life Top Ten
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Conservatives have been very effective in past years in coming up with emotionally-laden phrases that are at best disingenuous and at worst outright lies. Witness "weapons of mass destruction," "partial birth abortion," "ownership society," and "freedom on the march." But their newest buzzphrase is perhaps the most galling.
Consider the opposite: who in their right minds would be on record supporting a "culture of death"? Well, the Nazis, that's who, say culture-of-lifers, and if you disagree with them on their key issues, you might as well sign up for the Hitler Youth. Just as incredible is their invocation of the 14th Amendment. Initially passed to support the rights of freed slaves after the Civil War, culture-of-lifers have expanded its protection of "life, liberty, [and] property" outwards to fetuses and women in persistent vegetative states. Don't agree? Well, then perhaps you should start shopping around for a plantation and some cotton fields as well.
The problem with the "culture of life" argument is that, like any of these phrases, its vagueness allows you to define it however you want. Is it any coincidence that its application happens to gel with the core issues of those who created it? Rather than dismiss the argument, however, progressives should hold culture-of-lifers to their word.
At minimum, a true "culture of life" would support the following ten positions:
1. Withdraw the Troops
More than 1,500 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iraq, along with tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians (some estimates are as high as 100,000.) Meanwhile, we're hunkering down building long-term military bases and sending more troops. How many more soldiers have to die before we set a timetable for bringing them home?
2. Stop the Death Penalty
Fifty-nine prisoners were executed last year, 23 of them in Texas alone. Yet study after study has shown the death penalty to be unequally applied by race, and hundreds of inmates have been found innocent at the eleventh hour. If we are all created in God's image, then it is up to God, not us, to deal the ultimate in punishment.
3. Pass Effective Gun Control Laws
More than 80 Americans are killed by firearms each day. Yet Congress has made it easier for criminals to get their hands on weapons -- most recently with the repeal of the assault weapons ban -- instead of following the lead of states like Massachusetts and New York, which have passed tougher laws and decreased handgun deaths.
4. Fund Social Services
Hundreds of homeless people, many of them war veterans, die on the streets each year because they can't gain access to basic services such as housing and health care. A truly compassionate person would fight against Bush's mean-spirited budget that cuts Medicaid benefits, veterans‚ health care, community services block grants, and other life-saving programs in favor of tax cuts for the rich.
5. Create Universal Health Care for Children
The U.S. remains the only industrial nation not to provide health care for all its citizens. At the very least, we could coverage to the most vulnerable among us. Meanwhile, our infant mortality rate recently rose for the first time in four decades, to 28,000 deaths a year.
6. Research Alternative Energy
It's a fact that access to the world's oil has fueled conflict in the Middle East for years. Developing wind and solar power could be the best protection we have against more of our soldiers dying overseas in the future. At the same time, reducing greenhouse gases could slow global warming, held responsible for the increasing severity of natural disasters like the Southeast Asian tsunami that claimed the lives of 175,000 people (with another 100,000 missing).
7. Investigate Prisoner Abuses
While the face of abuse of foreign detainees are those revolting pictures of torture from Abu Ghraib, even more disturbing stories of prisoners dying while in custody have trickled out of Iraq and Afghanistan. A true culture of life would conduct a full investigation into the abuse, with those responsible being held to account.
8. Support AIDS Clinics Abroad
In Bush's 2003 State of the Union, he pledged $15 billion to combat AIDS in Africa -- since then not only has the program been under-funded, but the majority of it has gone into non-generic drug treatment and abstinence-only prevention programs. With more than 3 million HIV/AIDS deaths in Africa a year, a truly compassionate AIDS policy would work immediately with the United Nations programs that have proven the most effective against the disease.
9. Implement a Fair Guestworker Program
Last year, more than 300 undocumented migrants died crossing the border to work in the U.S. There is no getting around the fact that these workers from Mexico and other countries are essential to the functioning of our economy. A fair guestworker program would not only recognize the contributions of these workers, but also prevent needless deaths.
10. Join the International Criminal Court
Ethnic cleansing, war crimes, and genocide are alive and well in the world, in places like Kosovo, Rwanda, and most recently the Sudan. Yet the U.S. is one of only a handful of countries (including China and Israel) that refuse to join the International Criminal Court. Last week, over our country's objections, the United Nations finally referred to the ICC the case of Darfur, where an estimated 300,000 Sudanese have been brutally killed.
Together, these issues account for the needless deaths of tens of thousands of people a day. A culture that valued their lives is one we could all celebrate.
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Posted by: Cybernalt on Apr 4, 2005 3:52 AM
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I agree we should never have gone, but we need to be careful: There are times when it is better to sacrifice a few to save the many, WWII being a pretty good example. My Caveat / solution would be this: ALL UNDER 30 YEAR-OLD RELATIVES OF BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND THE ADMINSTRATION AND THE TOP FEW LAYERS OF THE PENTAGON MUST FIRST BE GIVEN MARCHING ORDERS BEFORE AND DECLARATION OF WAR IS
ALLOW. The theory is - if it's that important, then put your own children where you're asking others to put theirs.
__ 2. Stop the Death Penalty __
I've heard it's actually cheaper to keep a baddy in jail for life (parole not allowed) than to pay for the required appeals. Make "Stop the Death Penalty" a cost-cutting concept.
__ 3. Pass Effective Gun Control Laws__
Amen - but not until I buy my own UZI and 50 Caliber (just kidding!)
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Posted by: Cybernalt on Apr 4, 2005 3:53 AM
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There is an argument to be made about welfare type systems perpetuating poorness, but in general the separation of rich and poor is truly sinful.
__ 5. Create Universal Health Care for Children __
Again - make it a cost-cutting idea. A great example is pre-natal care: It is well known that a stitch in time saves nine. ALSO - The current situations with the Pharmacy companies needs serious looking into.
__ 6. Research Alternative Energy__
We cna do more, but the reality (sorry, my lefty friends) is that wind and solar power have limited application. Conservation is the only workable idea, and it does the greenhouse gas thing too. Call me a Righty, but it seems to me we should be using Middle East oil exclusively - save what we have here for the next millenium, when it will be truly valuable.
__ 7. Investigate Prisoner Abuses__
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Posted by: Cybernalt on Apr 4, 2005 3:53 AM
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Amen
__ 9. Implement a Fair Guestworker Program__
I'm not to keen on this. I'd rather a combination of things like a stiff income tax curve (to discourage huge salaries) plus real penalties for hiring illegal workers to simply pay folks living wages for fair work. Open the boarders to visit, but not to lower our workers. BTW - this helps social security and funds medical cares, etc., as well, be raising salaries for most of us.
__ 10. Join the International Criminal Court__
My Dod - Darfur - the Christian Right should spend a few years in pergatory for that one.
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Posted by: Jim on Apr 4, 2005 4:29 AM
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For example, number 1, withdraw the troops, should deal much broadly with the military - end the US ability to dominate the world militarily by deep cuts in the military, eliminate nuclear weapons.
Number 5, Universal health care for children, should be universal health care for all.
But to be able to have a dialog with the conservatives, we do have to acknowledge how abortion and euthanasia can be valid concerns, too. When we can hear there real concern, then we can link our other important life issues to that genuine caring for people. If this is just used as another political gambit -- (see how hypocritical they are!) -- then we will not be listened to.
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The number one murder weapon in the U.S. is a knife, followed by some kind of bludgeoning, followed by suffocation or strangulation. Firearms ranks 4th. Besides not having much of on impact on the murder rate, gun control only takes firearms away from the honest citizen and does nothing to thwart the criminal.
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side of abortion choice, that large numbers of abortions are pressured or even coerced (see
afterabortion.info/news/Forced1.htm) by the father of the fetus or the parents of
the woman, not the woman's free choice, they would gain more hearing in helping conservatives examine their vague phrases.
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The left has got to fight the right on the actual battleground the right is fighting on, which is sexuality and gender issues. I am disturbed that this author seems to concede that ground entirely.
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With the Christian right and the neo-cons seemingly taking over the government I would be quite skeptical about the citizenry laying down their arms and trusting the feds.
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They even have the balls to put their sociopathic vision in writing. (project for a new american century). The question is not can we prove they are corrupt, they admit it. The question is why are we so powerless to do anything about it? As long as we let them define the issues, and we continually get sucked into a contest over things like who is the real culture of life, we are never going to change anything.
We need to stop talking about what we stand for and be it!
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Posted by: Hierodule on Apr 4, 2005 6:23 AM
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Oh yeah, Cheney's son-in-law got a cushy government job under the cloak of the Pope's demise (pun intended).
Do you think that Tom DeLay and the Prez. would stand up for embattled Wal-Mart workers the way they did for Terri Shiavo? Doubt it.
We'll never have a Culture of Life until we stop teaching our children that we live in a Democracy and teach them, instead, how to survive in our Plutocracy, where the sons and daughters of the rich and powerful (i.e., Cheney's son-in-law) feed off the corpses of poor Wal-Mart workers and dead soldiers.
Gotta go out and fill the bird feeder.
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Au contraire. Americans aren't willing to take some of these jobs AT THE WAGE LEVELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OFFERED.
It's economic nonsense to argue that foreign workers are "essential". Just raise the wages for these jobs to that of a living wage, and we'd get along just fine with American workers.
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2. Commit Ourselves to Ensuring Domestic Safety
3. Protect the Population from Deadly Weapons
4. Strategically Invest in Improving the Lives of Citizens
5. Ensure that Children Grow Up Healthy and Productive
6. Make Emerging Energy Technology a National Priority
7. Commit Ourselves to Ethical Government and Foreign Policy
8. Support Global Health Efforts
9. Secure our Borders
10. Make Full Time Work Pay Enough to Support the Worker
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It is as Jim Wallis speaks of in his book, "God's Politics" living the prophetic message of Christianity. Doing as Jesus did, reaching out to those trapped by sin, poverty, disease, social stigma. Treating as equals woman, lepers, Samaritans, and even Roman soldiers. Today that means people different from ourselves and those who would hate us and kill us (read Al Qaeda). Loving your enemy and neighbor as your self. Mostly it is about seeking justice, living humbling, and serving as Jesus served.
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2. go to europe
3. guns are fun
4. there are too many social welfare programs already. why can't families help themselves and buy one less volvo
5. now that's a great I idea. will only cost a few hundred billion dollars. ummm. lets tax the rich...which as liberals define it is anyone making $50K per year. I suppose you want to pay for illegal immigrants health care as well.
6. i agree
7. fuck off. you get shot at and bombed day in and day out.
8. why spend tax dollars fighting aid abroad. can't these people keep it in their pants.
9. i agree. fair...fingerprint, DNA, retinal scan and then let them in for 3-9 months.
10. Why so brave us soldiers who fight so you can sleep at night and write this liberal garbage can be arrested an
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Second, consider phrases from which Blanding's practical actions flow. Like: "committed to protecting AND respecting the rights of individuals to make their own vital life and death decisions;" "committed to energy independence and global politics for long term, enduring security; "committed to policies that repair and sustain the healthy environment necessary for healthy human lives;" "committed to leaving a viable Earth for future generations to flourish;" "committed to policies that help American citizens care for their loved ones, their communities, themselves;" "committed to policies that minimize human suffering and maximize human flourishing."
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The slogan “power to the people” might not seem so “red” in a country with a dying middle class as it once did. Isn’t it interesting that the right has taken over that color? Please stop allowing the right to steal expressions from our language and give them their own definitions. Is there anybody out there who isn’t pro-life? How about “family values;” we all have them, and we need them if we intend to preserve our families in whatever form they may take. And what about the “moral majority;” one of the characteristics of sentient beings is a moral/ethical code of conduct. Let’s take back our language!
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I resent the notion that universal health care only applies to children. Finally, I believe your guestworker notion is misguided. Work visa restrictions should be one of those internationally decided things mentioned above.
The European Community can serve as a test case. Let's try to emulate their strengths and correct their weaknesses as we work toward a sustainable fu
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John Paul condemned not just the policies you wish to reverse (I agree with you, btw), but targeted a consumerist culture driven by a military/industrial/commercial complex that subordinates everything to the power of money. The conservatives did what they always do -- they coopted, and bankrupted a truly superb idea and narrowed down to suit their own dark purposes. A real "Culture of Life" would orient itself toward the elevation and protection of human life, care for people and against war, death, disease and exploitation (even of women). You won't hear that coming out of this administration, or the demonstrators grandstanding outside Mrs. Schiavo's hospice center. They can't see beyond the political points and dollars to be made.
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Many big city leberals on the coasts don't hunt or fish but many flyovers do! If ya wanta get the people in Kansas to stop voting Republican stop being knee jerk on gun control.
Most people in favor of gun control know nothing about guns—which is a real problem when preaching to those that do.
!. Hunting rifles are much more deadly than assault guns. War is conducted up close, not at 600 plus yards—guess which guns are deadly at 600-1,000 yards? Guess which guns the U.S. supplies to its snippers? Since the start of the Vietnamese war the U.S has dropped the standard round from .30-06 to .308 and then to .223.
2. Fifty caliber rifles are used by competition target shooters. Name me one robbery that was commited with a .50 cal rifle? One murder?
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Posted by: c.d.embrey on Apr 4, 2005 2:28 PM
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You've got to be kidding? Most illeagals replace american workers! Union janitors were replaced with lower payed illegals in So Cal. Contractors are hireing illegals in the construction business in So Cal. Not many bus boys speak english in So Cal. You get the idea. Just because illegals don't take jobs from college educated white liberals doesn't mean that they are not taking jobs from Americans. Recognize this and you might get the vote in Kansas again.
BTW there are still many white American citizens still picking crops in the central valley of California. But not many of them are liberals!
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Posted by: c.d.embrey on Apr 4, 2005 2:38 PM
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Its been years since Bonnie and Clyde and other Americans have been able to buy Browning Automatic Rifles!
You own two shot guns which are used for many more liquor store hold-ups than fully auto AK47s.
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Posted by: lrider30 on Apr 4, 2005 3:45 PM
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All cultures have a mythic explanation for the beginning of our planet & its life forms but the Judeo-Christian story has prevailed because of the centuries old dominance of its culture.
Is it any wonder that our fellow citizens are so easily misled?
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Posted by: joncee on Apr 4, 2005 6:03 PM
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His desire to protect America from its enemies? Boy! Now is that a great achievement! That puts him right on par with about 290,000,000 other Americans. By enemies I suppose you mean the 18,000 Iraqi civilians who have died thus far.
All this while ridin’ high on the coat tails of Jeezus! Your damned right I don’t like him.
You managed to name two exceedingly puny good attributes. Got more?
Jeez!
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Posted by: joncee on Apr 4, 2005 6:04 PM
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His desire to protect America from its enemies? Boy! Now is that a great achievement! That puts him right on par with about 290,000,000 other Americans. By enemies I suppose you mean the 18,000 Iraqi civilians who have died thus far.
All this while ridin’ high on the coat tails of Jeezus! Your damned right I don’t like him.
You managed to name two exceedingly puny good attributes. Got more?
Jeez!
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Posted by: LAmom on Apr 4, 2005 6:37 PM
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Pro-life liberals care about all 13 of these Culture of Life issues. Check out Consistent Life and Pro-Lifers for Peace and Justice.
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Posted by: lustreking on Apr 5, 2005 8:55 AM
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1. Send more troops, preferably from europe, africa and asia to Iraq. Getting picked off in twos and three's does nothing but prolong this nightmare but pulling them out would give the country over to Islamic facists.
2. FIX the death penalty, don't get rid of it. Because, let's face it, some people deserve to die.
3. Gun control. I think there should be a searchable database for any citizen who buys a gun of anykind. I think there should be strict limits on who is allowed to sell a gun and I would outlaw gun shows where anyone with enough cash can get any type of weapon. That said I also think any citizen who wants to own a gun and passes a background check and agrees to be entered into a database should be able to own a gun. Remember, gun's alone aren't the problem, the NRA is.
4. Social Services/ Healthcare.
I'm of the opinion that if Canada can do it,
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Posted by: lustreking on Apr 5, 2005 9:00 AM
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5. Alternative energy.
All for it. Windmills, solar, hydro, gremlins, whatever. Maybe even an X-Prize for the first car that runs petrol free. I also think we should use nuclear power. It's cheaper, cleaner and safer and yes, I know it's fucking nuclear but if it's done right, regulated right and built right it can be USED right.
6. Torture/Prisoner abuses.In terms of using the scandal's at ahbu ghraib to point out the hypocricy of the right wing bullshit machine, I'm all for it, but if cutting someone's thumb off will prevent an assualt like 9/11?.. Wellll.....
7. Get involved, get registered to vote and run for office. Everytime you hear, read or see something that makes you stop in either anger or approval, GET INVOLVED. There's n
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Posted by: Epicurienne on Apr 5, 2005 1:47 PM
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I say we need universal health care for everybody. People don't stop needing healthcare once they turn 21.
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Posted by: crankenfurter on Apr 6, 2005 10:44 AM
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This solves two problems in my book -- one, I think life imprisonment far exceeds death as a penalty -- most folks on death row, well, killings just too good for them. Two -- If an innocent person is wrongly convicted there is a chance to exonerate such.
__ 3. Pass Effective Gun Control Laws__
On this I think there are laws enough -- as there are laws on almost every sort of crime -- laws are like restraining orders, only effective if complied with -- and progressives may need their guns soon the way things are going --
11. A high priority for evironmental preservation and care.
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if every citizen in england can get free health care every time they are hurt, why not us? we're the most powerful nation on the planet!!! we can do what we want.
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Posted by: grizzlytwolegs2 on Apr 8, 2005 8:18 AM
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I support each of the ten proposals, but Americans in general are just not yet convinced of the need for change.
It is so much easier to blame than to change. After all, justice, fairness, equality and compassion toward others is no way to run a business.
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Posted by: ryoushi on Apr 11, 2005 10:13 PM
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The driving force behind conservatism is simply the acquisition and utilization of power for the benefit of the power holder. Since this is their only true core belief, the conservative/reactionary is free to compile list upon list of programatic conceptions that are little more than propganda bludgeoning points to be used to deaden what little intellect resides in the masses. The Catholic Church first learned this principal and actually established the office (still existing) which gave this method of disinformation its name - propoganda. And of course, the methodology involved was greatly developed in the century by Czarist secret police, Italian fascists, German Nazis, and the rightwing abomination masquarading under Stalin's Communist State - among others.
All this simply means is that to fight for the 10 points listed here as a 'culture of life' shouldn't be argued as such. they should be simply the sort of thing that a rational ethical person would naturely see as laudable goals or steps towards goals, and the second thing to do is carefully analyze conservative positions and then show how any position taken by a conservative on any issue ultimately provides a direct concrete benefit for a tiny priviledged elite at the expense of the vast majority of people every time -- that their 'morality' is little more than a con job designed to preserve the priviledged in their priviledges.
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It goes to show that our patriarchal society only continues to oppress and will do so until standards of masculinity and feminity become redefined so that the former is not held so much higher than the latter by the conservatives in power.
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Posted by: Cybernalt on Apr 4, 2005 3:52 AM
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I agree we should never have gone, but we need to be careful: There are times when it is better to sacrifice a few to save the many, WWII being a pretty good example. My Caveat / solution would be this: ALL UNDER 30 YEAR-OLD RELATIVES OF BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND THE ADMINSTRATION AND THE TOP FEW LAYERS OF THE PENTAGON MUST FIRST BE GIVEN MARCHING ORDERS BEFORE AND DECLARATION OF WAR IS
ALLOW. The theory is - if it's that important, then put your own children where you're asking others to put theirs.
__ 2. Stop the Death Penalty __
I've heard it's actually cheaper to keep a baddy in jail for life (parole not allowed) than to pay for the required appeals. Make "Stop the Death Penalty" a cost-cutting concept.
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Amen - but not until I buy my own UZI and 50 Caliber (just kidding!)
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There is an argument to be made about welfare type systems perpetuating poorness, but in general the separation of rich and poor is truly sinful.
__ 5. Create Universal Health Care for Children __
Again - make it a cost-cutting idea. A great example is pre-natal care: It is well known that a stitch in time saves nine. ALSO - The current situations with the Pharmacy companies needs serious looking into.
__ 6. Research Alternative Energy__
We cna do more, but the reality (sorry, my lefty friends) is that wind and solar power have limited application. Conservation is the only workable idea, and it does the greenhouse gas thing too. Call me a Righty, but it seems to me we should be using Middle East oil exclusively - save what we have here for the next millenium, when it will be truly valuable.
__ 7. Investigate Prisoner Abuses__
Re-Read 1984 - when
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Amen
__ 9. Implement a Fair Guestworker Program__
I'm not to keen on this. I'd rather a combination of things like a stiff income tax curve (to discourage huge salaries) plus real penalties for hiring illegal workers to simply pay folks living wages for fair work. Open the boarders to visit, but not to lower our workers. BTW - this helps social security and funds medical cares, etc., as well, be raising salaries for most of us.
__ 10. Join the International Criminal Court__
My Dod - Darfur - the Christian Right should spend a few years in pergatory for that one.
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Posted by: Jim on Apr 4, 2005 4:29 AM
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For example, number 1, withdraw the troops, should deal much broadly with the military - end the US ability to dominate the world militarily by deep cuts in the military, eliminate nuclear weapons.
Number 5, Universal health care for children, should be universal health care for all.
But to be able to have a dialog with the conservatives, we do have to acknowledge how abortion and euthanasia can be valid concerns, too. When we can hear there real concern, then we can link our other important life issues to that genuine caring for people. If this is just used as another political gambit -- (see how hypocritical they are!) -- then we will not be listened to.
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The number one murder weapon in the U.S. is a knife, followed by some kind of bludgeoning, followed by suffocation or strangulation. Firearms ranks 4th. Besides not having much of on impact on the murder rate, gun control only takes firearms away from the honest citizen and does nothing to thwart the criminal.
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side of abortion choice, that large numbers of abortions are pressured or even coerced (see
afterabortion.info/news/Forced1.htm) by the father of the fetus or the parents of
the woman, not the woman's free choice, they would gain more hearing in helping conservatives examine their vague phrases.
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Posted by: Julia Cat on Apr 4, 2005 5:33 AM
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The left has got to fight the right on the actual battleground the right is fighting on, which is sexuality and gender issues. I am disturbed that this author seems to concede that ground entirely.
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Posted by: joncee on Apr 4, 2005 6:09 AM
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With the Christian right and the neo-cons seemingly taking over the government I would be quite skeptical about the citizenry laying down their arms and trusting the feds.
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They even have the balls to put their sociopathic vision in writing. (project for a new american century). The question is not can we prove they are corrupt, they admit it. The question is why are we so powerless to do anything about it? As long as we let them define the issues, and we continually get sucked into a contest over things like who is the real culture of life, we are never going to change anything.
We need to stop talking about what we stand for and be it!
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Posted by: Hierodule on Apr 4, 2005 6:23 AM
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Oh yeah, Cheney's son-in-law got a cushy government job under the cloak of the Pope's demise (pun intended).
Do you think that Tom DeLay and the Prez. would stand up for embattled Wal-Mart workers the way they did for Terri Shiavo? Doubt it.
We'll never have a Culture of Life until we stop teaching our children that we live in a Democracy and teach them, instead, how to survive in our Plutocracy, where the sons and daughters of the rich and powerful (i.e., Cheney's son-in-law) feed off the corpses of poor Wal-Mart workers and dead soldiers.
Gotta go out and fill the bird feeder.
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Au contraire. Americans aren't willing to take some of these jobs AT THE WAGE LEVELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OFFERED.
It's economic nonsense to argue that foreign workers are "essential". Just raise the wages for these jobs to that of a living wage, and we'd get along just fine with American workers.
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2. Commit Ourselves to Ensuring Domestic Safety
3. Protect the Population from Deadly Weapons
4. Strategically Invest in Improving the Lives of Citizens
5. Ensure that Children Grow Up Healthy and Productive
6. Make Emerging Energy Technology a National Priority
7. Commit Ourselves to Ethical Government and Foreign Policy
8. Support Global Health Efforts
9. Secure our Borders
10. Make Full Time Work Pay Enough to Support the Worker
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Posted by: mkwagner on Apr 4, 2005 8:13 AM
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It is as Jim Wallis speaks of in his book, "God's Politics" living the prophetic message of Christianity. Doing as Jesus did, reaching out to those trapped by sin, poverty, disease, social stigma. Treating as equals woman, lepers, Samaritans, and even Roman soldiers. Today that means people different from ourselves and those who would hate us and kill us (read Al Qaeda). Loving your enemy and neighbor as your self. Mostly it is about seeking justice, living humbling, and serving as Jesus served.
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2. go to europe
3. guns are fun
4. there are too many social welfare programs already. why can't families help themselves and buy one less volvo
5. now that's a great I idea. will only cost a few hundred billion dollars. ummm. lets tax the rich...which as liberals define it is anyone making $50K per year. I suppose you want to pay for illegal immigrants health care as well.
6. i agree
7. fuck off. you get shot at and bombed day in and day out.
8. why spend tax dollars fighting aid abroad. can't these people keep it in their pants.
9. i agree. fair...fingerprint, DNA, retinal scan and then let them in for 3-9 months.
10. Why so brave us soldiers who fight so you can sleep at night and write this liberal garbage can be arrested an
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Second, consider phrases from which Blanding's practical actions flow. Like: "committed to protecting AND respecting the rights of individuals to make their own vital life and death decisions;" "committed to energy independence and global politics for long term, enduring security; "committed to policies that repair and sustain the healthy environment necessary for healthy human lives;" "committed to leaving a viable Earth for future generations to flourish;" "committed to policies that help American citizens care for their loved ones, their communities, themselves;" "committed to policies that minimize human suffering and maximize human flourishing."
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Posted by: susan9390 on Apr 4, 2005 11:29 AM
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The slogan “power to the people” might not seem so “red” in a country with a dying middle class as it once did. Isn’t it interesting that the right has taken over that color? Please stop allowing the right to steal expressions from our language and give them their own definitions. Is there anybody out there who isn’t pro-life? How about “family values;” we all have them, and we need them if we intend to preserve our families in whatever form they may take. And what about the “moral majority;” one of the characteristics of sentient beings is a moral/ethical code of conduct. Let’s take back our language!
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Posted by: susan9390 on Apr 4, 2005 11:43 AM
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I resent the notion that universal health care only applies to children. Finally, I believe your guestworker notion is misguided. Work visa restrictions should be one of those internationally decided things mentioned above.
The European Community can serve as a test case. Let's try to emulate their strengths and correct their weaknesses as we work toward a sustainable fu
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Posted by: HonestJohn on Apr 4, 2005 12:32 PM
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Posted by: Kanefire on Apr 4, 2005 12:45 PM
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Posted by: FoxWizard on Apr 4, 2005 2:12 PM
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John Paul condemned not just the policies you wish to reverse (I agree with you, btw), but targeted a consumerist culture driven by a military/industrial/commercial complex that subordinates everything to the power of money. The conservatives did what they always do -- they coopted, and bankrupted a truly superb idea and narrowed down to suit their own dark purposes. A real "Culture of Life" would orient itself toward the elevation and protection of human life, care for people and against war, death, disease and exploitation (even of women). You won't hear that coming out of this administration, or the demonstrators grandstanding outside Mrs. Schiavo's hospice center. They can't see beyond the political points and dollars to be made.
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Posted by: c.d.embrey on Apr 4, 2005 2:13 PM
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Many big city leberals on the coasts don't hunt or fish but many flyovers do! If ya wanta get the people in Kansas to stop voting Republican stop being knee jerk on gun control.
Most people in favor of gun control know nothing about guns—which is a real problem when preaching to those that do.
!. Hunting rifles are much more deadly than assault guns. War is conducted up close, not at 600 plus yards—guess which guns are deadly at 600-1,000 yards? Guess which guns the U.S. supplies to its snippers? Since the start of the Vietnamese war the U.S has dropped the standard round from .30-06 to .308 and then to .223.
2. Fifty caliber rifles are used by competition target shooters. Name me one robbery that was commited with a .50 cal rifle? One murder?
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Posted by: c.d.embrey on Apr 4, 2005 2:28 PM
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You've got to be kidding? Most illeagals replace american workers! Union janitors were replaced with lower payed illegals in So Cal. Contractors are hireing illegals in the construction business in So Cal. Not many bus boys speak english in So Cal. You get the idea. Just because illegals don't take jobs from college educated white liberals doesn't mean that they are not taking jobs from Americans. Recognize this and you might get the vote in Kansas again.
BTW there are still many white American citizens still picking crops in the central valley of California. But not many of them are liberals!
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Posted by: peaceangel on Apr 4, 2005 2:36 PM
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Posted by: c.d.embrey on Apr 4, 2005 2:38 PM
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Its been years since Bonnie and Clyde and other Americans have been able to buy Browning Automatic Rifles!
You own two shot guns which are used for many more liquor store hold-ups than fully auto AK47s.
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Posted by: lrider30 on Apr 4, 2005 3:45 PM
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All cultures have a mythic explanation for the beginning of our planet & its life forms but the Judeo-Christian story has prevailed because of the centuries old dominance of its culture.
Is it any wonder that our fellow citizens are so easily misled?
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Posted by: joncee on Apr 4, 2005 6:03 PM
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His desire to protect America from its enemies? Boy! Now is that a great achievement! That puts him right on par with about 290,000,000 other Americans. By enemies I suppose you mean the 18,000 Iraqi civilians who have died thus far.
All this while ridin’ high on the coat tails of Jeezus! Your damned right I don’t like him.
You managed to name two exceedingly puny good attributes. Got more?
Jeez!
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Posted by: joncee on Apr 4, 2005 6:04 PM
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His desire to protect America from its enemies? Boy! Now is that a great achievement! That puts him right on par with about 290,000,000 other Americans. By enemies I suppose you mean the 18,000 Iraqi civilians who have died thus far.
All this while ridin’ high on the coat tails of Jeezus! Your damned right I don’t like him.
You managed to name two exceedingly puny good attributes. Got more?
Jeez!
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Posted by: LAmom on Apr 4, 2005 6:37 PM
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Pro-life liberals care about all 13 of these Culture of Life issues. Check out Consistent Life and Pro-Lifers for Peace and Justice.
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Posted by: sologdin on Apr 4, 2005 7:11 PM
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Posted by: janenj on Apr 5, 2005 4:13 AM
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Posted by: lustreking on Apr 5, 2005 8:55 AM
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1. Send more troops, preferably from europe, africa and asia to Iraq. Getting picked off in twos and three's does nothing but prolong this nightmare but pulling them out would give the country over to Islamic facists.
2. FIX the death penalty, don't get rid of it. Because, let's face it, some people deserve to die.
3. Gun control. I think there should be a searchable database for any citizen who buys a gun of anykind. I think there should be strict limits on who is allowed to sell a gun and I would outlaw gun shows where anyone with enough cash can get any type of weapon. That said I also think any citizen who wants to own a gun and passes a background check and agrees to be entered into a database should be able to own a gun. Remember, gun's alone aren't the problem, the NRA is.
4. Social Services/ Healthcare.
I'm of the opinion that if Canada can do it,
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Posted by: lustreking on Apr 5, 2005 9:00 AM
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5. Alternative energy.
All for it. Windmills, solar, hydro, gremlins, whatever. Maybe even an X-Prize for the first car that runs petrol free. I also think we should use nuclear power. It's cheaper, cleaner and safer and yes, I know it's fucking nuclear but if it's done right, regulated right and built right it can be USED right.
6. Torture/Prisoner abuses.In terms of using the scandal's at ahbu ghraib to point out the hypocricy of the right wing bullshit machine, I'm all for it, but if cutting someone's thumb off will prevent an assualt like 9/11?.. Wellll.....
7. Get involved, get registered to vote and run for office. Everytime you hear, read or see something that makes you stop in either anger or approval, GET INVOLVED. There's n
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Posted by: Epicurienne on Apr 5, 2005 1:47 PM
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I say we need universal health care for everybody. People don't stop needing healthcare once they turn 21.
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Posted by: crankenfurter on Apr 6, 2005 10:44 AM
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This solves two problems in my book -- one, I think life imprisonment far exceeds death as a penalty -- most folks on death row, well, killings just too good for them. Two -- If an innocent person is wrongly convicted there is a chance to exonerate such.
__ 3. Pass Effective Gun Control Laws__
On this I think there are laws enough -- as there are laws on almost every sort of crime -- laws are like restraining orders, only effective if complied with -- and progressives may need their guns soon the way things are going --
11. A high priority for evironmental preservation and care.
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Posted by: Hollace on Apr 6, 2005 12:22 PM
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Posted by: daveinchi on Apr 7, 2005 7:09 PM
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if every citizen in england can get free health care every time they are hurt, why not us? we're the most powerful nation on the planet!!! we can do what we want.
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Posted by: grizzlytwolegs2 on Apr 8, 2005 8:18 AM
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I support each of the ten proposals, but Americans in general are just not yet convinced of the need for change.
It is so much easier to blame than to change. After all, justice, fairness, equality and compassion toward others is no way to run a business.
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Posted by: ryoushi on Apr 11, 2005 10:13 PM
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The driving force behind conservatism is simply the acquisition and utilization of power for the benefit of the power holder. Since this is their only true core belief, the conservative/reactionary is free to compile list upon list of programatic conceptions that are little more than propganda bludgeoning points to be used to deaden what little intellect resides in the masses. The Catholic Church first learned this principal and actually established the office (still existing) which gave this method of disinformation its name - propoganda. And of course, the methodology involved was greatly developed in the century by Czarist secret police, Italian fascists, German Nazis, and the rightwing abomination masquarading under Stalin's Communist State - among others.
All this simply means is that to fight for the 10 points listed here as a 'culture of life' shouldn't be argued as such. they should be simply the sort of thing that a rational ethical person would naturely see as laudable goals or steps towards goals, and the second thing to do is carefully analyze conservative positions and then show how any position taken by a conservative on any issue ultimately provides a direct concrete benefit for a tiny priviledged elite at the expense of the vast majority of people every time -- that their 'morality' is little more than a con job designed to preserve the priviledged in their priviledges.
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Posted by: equitynow05 on May 3, 2005 7:58 AM
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It goes to show that our patriarchal society only continues to oppress and will do so until standards of masculinity and feminity become redefined so that the former is not held so much higher than the latter by the conservatives in power.
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