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Wal-Mart's Culture of Crime and Greed

By Jonathan Tasini, TomPaine.com. Posted April 4, 2005.


Manipulation, greed and wrongdoing in the name of profit are as much a part of the Wal-Mart business model as are those low, low prices.
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The Beast of Bentonville (better known as Wal-Mart) is grappling with a spate of management dismissals and investigations over the past few months that appear rooted in internal petty thievery. But rather than a few bad apples being rooted out, it's clear that crime, greed, wrongdoing, malfeasance and cronyism are deeply embedded in the Wal-Mart business model. Indeed, Wal-Mart could not survive without manipulating the system and breaking the law.

In case you didn't catch it, Thomas Coughlin--a former vice chair of the company and at one time a potential future CEO candidate--was forced to resign from the board because of, as the British Financial Times reported on its front page, an "alleged unauthorized use of corporate-owned gift cards and personal reimbursements that appear to have been obtained from the company through the reporting of false information on third-party invoices and company expense reports. The amount in controversy is estimated to be in the range of $100,000 to $500,000." Translation: the guy padded his expense accounts.

In the current investigation, three other employees, including a company officer, were also dismissed.  And back in December, three other executives and four employees were fired for violating "unspecified" company rules. I would venture to guess that those rules had nothing to do, for example, with treating workers badly (that kind of conduct actually calls for a promotion at the Beast of Bentonville, or at least a one-time visit to the company's executive washroom) but with other financial wrongdoing.

But why should this be surprising? The culture of Wal-Mart encourages and condones misbehavior among its leaders every day. Let me tick off just the highlights--or lowlights, as the case may be.

Less than two weeks ago, the Beast paid $11 million to settle charges that it used hundreds of illegal immigrants to clean its stores. In February, those nice family-values people from Bentonville agreed to pay a pathetic $135,000 and change to settle charges of child labor violations. Think about it: a corporate culture that tolerates endangering children. As an aside, when the child labor deal was announced, I wrote that the level of the fine was scandalous; the whole sweetheart deal is now under investigation by the Department of Labor's inspector general.

Wal-Mart is facing the largest gender discrimination lawsuit in history--involving 1.5 million women. I hear the company is deeply engaged in talks to settle the case for obvious reasons: it's guilty as hell. The depositions in the lawsuit, detailed in Liza Featherstone's new book, Selling Women Short, make it crystal clear that the company, as a matter of policy, consistently broke the most basic laws of workplace equality.

Not enough? Workers have been illegally fired for trying to form a union, and Wal-Mart spends millions to thwart workers' basic rights, giving its union-breaking staff priority on resources (like corporate jets) over even higher-placed managers. In 2000, meat cutters at a Wal-Mart in Texas voted for the union--and Wal-Mart promptly violated the law by shutting down the meat-cutting department in the store and, for good measure, closing every other meat-cutting department in 180 other stores, just to make sure they had stamped out any smell of unionism. Even the National Labor Relations Board--no friend of labor--saw through the company's actions and charged the Beast with illegal behavior.


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Jonathan Tasini is president of the Economic Future Group and writes his "Working In America" columns for TomPaine.com on an occasional basis. Tasini will be participating in an April 6 nationally broadcast debate on the question "What's Good for Wal-Mart is Good for America?"

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Wal-Mart wallops employees
Posted by: Dreama on Apr 4, 2005 3:51 AM   
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For several years now, I have avoided Wal-Mart instead going to much smaller and more locally owned businesses. After reading Nickled and Dimed, I was amazed to find just how little their employees were paid. This book chronicls the struggle for minimum wage jobholders. The author revealed personality testing prior to being hired by Wal-Mart was designed to hire pliant and near desperate workers. The climate encouraged the workers to see the customer as the enemy, causing them more work and distracting them from their stocking straightening duties. Retail work is difficult at best. Standing for hours on thinly padded concrete flooring contributes to many fallen arches, veracious veins, strained backs and a feeling of depression at the constant pounding of the concrete. Customer service is non-existent. Need more proof of how little Wal-Mart values your patronage? Just try to return something. The American consumer made Wal-Mart. We can change it. Just stop shopping there.

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WalMart
Posted by: comm97 on Apr 4, 2005 3:53 AM   
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I would think the culture of greed would be noted as capitalism. WalMart is merely the presenter.

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Wal-Mart
Posted by: Hedda on Apr 4, 2005 5:23 AM   
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Over the years I've come to loathe wal-mart. A friend of mine is one of the orginal 6 in the class action lawsuit discriminating against women. I've heard many many horror stories. Locally our store is going down hill quick, they never have anything in stock and everyone is starting to see the distruction to small towns etc.
Dispite all of their faults...I have to play devils advocate for a moment in regard to Sam Walton. I don't remember Wal-mart as such a "out of controll beast" when he was alive. It seems to me that it started to sick with power after Sam died, but I could be wrong.

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Small-town choices
Posted by: Anita on Apr 4, 2005 5:38 AM   
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I live in a small town, where Wal-mart took over many years ago. And yes, I shop there. I'm not happy about it. But, being on disability means that I have no choice but to seek out the lowest prices, and Wal-mart generally has them. I do not want to support their culture of greed, but what am I supposed to do? Without Wal-mart, I would be unable to buy the items I need (not want.... need). Any suggestions?

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High Prices of Wal-Mart
Posted by: knitter on Apr 4, 2005 5:42 AM   
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Does anybody remember a time when Wal-mart touted itself as selling items made in America? A couple of years ago before I quit shoppong at the chain I was looking to find anything made in USA. While I did not do an exhaustive search, the only thing I found was a bag of gift bows. Companies that supply Wal-Mart are pressured to lower costs. "What do you mean you can't lower the price? You are still manufacturing in America." Moving manufacturing offshore allows for further eroding of labor standards. The kind of lower prices that cost us our values are prices we cannot afford to pay.

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» RE: High Prices of Wal-Mart Posted by: Jammer2
Walmart
Posted by: jeansloan on Apr 4, 2005 6:30 AM   
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You don't know the half of it. In Florida, they are using PRISON INMATES in one of their warehouses. In rural north Florida where jobs are scarce at best, the locals are being supplanted by prison inmates. We are still investigating whether or not they are being paid for this labor.

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Catch-22 and other remarks
Posted by: BearDawg on Apr 4, 2005 8:14 AM   
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Walmart or TheEvilEmpire (as i like to refer to them) has most of us consumers in a catch-22 position. They have moved into our communities, devoured our local businesses, put a lot of people out of work, and caused a lot of other people to seek a job that pays low wages. What choice do most of us have but to stretch an ever shrinking dollar and shop the beast - which just perpetuates the cycle...
Once choice though is to use the internet. Often, there are better deals to be found there with delivery right to your door. also, many times these sources are some of the people walmart put out of business - cottage industries forced into existance because there was no other means of making a decent living.
I also wanted to say that i too remember when walmart used to run all kinds of advertising claiming "made in the USA". boy, did they lead us down the path or what?

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Support small, local businesses
Posted by: knitter on Apr 4, 2005 8:26 AM   
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Even if food, clothing, toiletries, etc. cost more at a locally run and operated store, money spent there is reinvested in your local community. It will not go to give further wealth and power to a corporation that does not concern itself with the health of local communities. Support your local businesses and help them to support your locale.

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Walmart greed...
Posted by: Thomaso on Apr 4, 2005 8:57 AM   
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The sad part is that most Amerians don't care. I have told people about Walmarts activites. They shug and say, but I can get 4 bags of groceries for 25.00! Did you see that vacuum for 45.00!! As long as Americans and others around the world are able to get cheap consumables, they don't seem to care where it comes from or how its gotten, who makes it , or what the companies policies are. I 've talked to really bright people about this, and they KNOW what going on, they even hate themselves for it, but they still will shop at Walmart and help feed the beast.

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wal-mart
Posted by: almostinfamous on Apr 4, 2005 9:05 AM   
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wal-mart initially came to Athens, Ohio as a low-priced alternative, but since their arrival, an entire mall(albeit a small one) has been wiped out including jc penneys, k-mart, big bear and many other smaller stores. and since their disappearance, the rates at walmart just keep going up. so the low prices are just a tool to eliminate competition. and after they establish a monopoly, you can kiss diversity of choice and market control on prices goodbye

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Nothing New
Posted by: nakis on Apr 4, 2005 9:45 AM   
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Walmart, the apple of the Juniors and Cheney's eye. They tout Walmart as a shining example of American capitalism. And they are right. Walmart is the shining example of American capitalism. Not responsible capitalism. Not even responsible economics. Markets will always shift. The people drive those shifts. Every excuser of the business practice that Walmart is and exemplifies will tell you this. It's not their fault. It's the market. Market change. Media reform. Election reform. Rampant capitalism is literally killing America. Walmart is an engine of that destruction.

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Wal-mart
Posted by: joyceguard on Apr 4, 2005 10:02 AM   
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What a dilemma? I have stopped shopping at Wal-mart for all the reasons listed plus their not providing a full range of contraceptive pills even though I don't need the pills. They put several stores out of business in a small town in which I lived some years ago. Yet, I have relatives who work at Wal-mart. My grandchildren have received Wal-mart stock. I think this may be the dilemma of many. However, one should think of the greater good and the damage Wal-mart is doing not only to its own employees but to other employees whose employers might adopt Wal-mart policies. Not shopping there is one thing I can do. The other is to elect people to public office who would do such things as raise the minimum wage and enact a millionaires tax such as the one Senator Graham from Florida proposed during his short run for the Presidency.

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» RE: Wal-mart Posted by: Liberal
Ignorance
Posted by: Liberal on Apr 4, 2005 11:25 AM   
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I find it extremely funny when people bash Walmart. Walmart may be the largest box store in the world. But you must realize that Target and Home Depot are big box stores as well.
I want all of you who bash Walmart to look at the statistics. Those who talked about Sweatshops, speak no longer. Sweatshops aren't bad, they are good. You hear of people living in Asia, China, Japan,--who only get 2 dollars a day for twelve hours? Guess what? That's a large amount to them. That's all they need. Whether or not they get paid less than us Americans, doesn't mean that they are getting a low paid job. I have read recent reports of people from Asian countries saying that they don't want the Sweatshops to be destroyed. Saying that Americans need to stay out of their own business and butt out. Because, frankly, we [Americans] think we are trying to help, but, in reality, we aren't.

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are you kidding??
Posted by: jOkEr on Apr 4, 2005 12:08 PM   
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the point here is not how happy those people may be, or how great it is for them to earn enough to eat a loaf of bread every day to stay alive. The point is the motives behing Wal-mart. The evil. If their true intent was to help those people, using their vast resources and demand for employees to do good and help other countries, we would not be having this debate. But they are not, and it is quite obvious that they are not. There are many ways Wal-Mart in all it's evil glory could help those people instead of using their misfortunes to make millions.

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consider the cost
Posted by: Spyke on Apr 4, 2005 12:19 PM   
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The point, as stated above, is not that these people can earn enough, "all they need"; it's that they cannot do so with dignity. I have to wonder if anyone pro-WalMart has ever had a minimum-wage job, or if they've ever had to scrape by working 2 part-time jobs. It's a matter of pride, and in today's shitty economy, unfortunately, you've gotta take what you can get, even if that means working at anti-labor chains like WalMart. And that's not right by a long shot. Workers deserve better.

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Wal-Mart - can the British join in?
Posted by: Tony Graham on Apr 4, 2005 12:38 PM   
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I read what you say about Wal-Mart with interest. They bought up the British chain called ASDA and have opened a store in Crawley, Sussex, where I live in England. So far - the prices are low, it's near enough so my wife and I can walk to shop unlike the other supermarkets here, and we havn't heard of any problems. They're even good at stocking fairly traded goods, which is a success story here in the UK. So what do we do, beyond watching and waiting? Tony Graham

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Walmart
Posted by: Grampop on Apr 4, 2005 2:07 PM   
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To berate WalMart as evil is beside the point. Any corporate good or evil is a byproduct of making money. Corporations are necessary. We could not have our high standard of living without them. The problem is to keep corporations profitable without doing harm to people. Americans cannot depend on the government to protect them. The power of the corporations is greater than the power of our votes.

We need meaningful representation for the interests of people on the boards of directors of large corporations. This right will not be given; we have to take it. It has been amply demonstrated that corporations are vulnerable to mass action. Unions have gotten gains for workers through strikes and the NAACP has forced corporations to follow fair employment practices through boycotts. All that is needed is for members of organizations such as the NAACP, AARP, NOW, environmental groups, unions, etc. to ask their leaders to push for citizen representation on corporate boards.

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Wallmart
Posted by: jerifretz on Apr 4, 2005 3:34 PM   
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No one in our family has ever set foot in a Wallmart store and we all know why.

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More reasons not to shop at Wally World
Posted by: Kym525 on Apr 4, 2005 6:19 PM   
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I don't know how many people saw this segment on 60 Minutes several years ago but in a 1998 case, a white female Wal-Mart employee was fired for dating a fellow Wal-Mart employee who was a black male. The company claimed that the two employees were bringing their 'personal issues' to the store, though fellow employees had no idea the two were an item - and both had exemplary work records.

Can we say DISCRIMINATION and RACISM everyone? And yet Wal-Mart uses people of color in their ads to sell us on 'low prices and family values'.

After I found that out, I decided my hard-earned money would go elsewhere. Unfortunately this was before Wally World branched out into my state of California. Now they're here, even in comminities of color - the Crenshaw District of Los Angeles - and I refuse to shop there. Thankfully the voters of Inglewood told wal-Mart to take their anti small business attitude elsewhere and other cities in L.A. County are doing the

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Viva WalmAmerica
Posted by: sooperedd on Apr 4, 2005 8:53 PM   
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Walmart sucks in every way you can slice it, but the truth is that it just reflects the attitudes, principles and morality (really the lack of) in this country. Greed, selfishness, houses filled with cheap junk you don't need anyway and too many people with no principles are just the tip of the iceberg of things that are going to take this country right to the bottom, just like the Titanic. Look around at all the signs, they ain't too hard to miss. Watch TV on any given night. Americans are stupid, lazy, fat, beer drinking, reality TV watching, Walmart shopping zombies. So when you say Walmart sucks what you are really saying is America sucks; we talk a good game but the reality is we are just a bunch of punks that could fit all our principles on the tip of a needle.

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what makes this country GREAT!!!
Posted by: WONDERWALEYE on Apr 5, 2005 9:50 AM   
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Many in have know idea what corperations have to do in order to stay in bussiness. Its like walking in another mans shoes. ours is a greed based country unlike a government controlled country. Anybody remember the five and dime stores of yeaterdays??? What do you think small stores thought of them? Yet they have come and gone. They no longer remained on the cutting edge of prices and got overloaded with operational cost.[giant salaries of the friends and relitives] So they went bottoms up!!! Then a new class of stores started up with a sharper edge for todays market. When I think of all the low wages a lot of folks make I thank GOD for walmart!!! Wallmart has hurt my commercil rentals but i understand why you must be on the cutting edge to stay in bussiness. Thats life in this country called the UNITED STATES!!!!!

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» ARE YOU GREEDY??? Posted by: WONDERWALEYE
Taking a stand
Posted by: bloom4141 on Apr 6, 2005 8:33 AM   
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I have to admit until recently I shopped at WalMart all the time. A couple of friends of mine made me understand the importance of taking a stand against this company. How do we make a change if we do not take a stand for what is right. WalMart does not do the right thing for us (customers and employees), they are doing only what is good for them which is making themselves richer. I understand that we have to watch our dollars however, there are other options, like shopping on the internet for deals or even doing without something that we really don't have a need for. I don't know about you, however, everytime I shopped at WalMart I always spent beyond my budget because of the so called great deals. Let's do the right thing here and quit supporting a chain that is hurting us rather than doing us any good.

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Wal-mart dissapoints me
Posted by: Odul on Apr 28, 2005 6:11 AM   
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I shop at the Wal-mart in my town sometimes. The customer service seemes ok, and the employees seem nice, though useless because they have no idea where anything is(to find light bulbs, I was sent across the store many times, and now just ask every one I see because one might know). Shop might actually be the wrong term, since those bulbs were the last thing I bought, a month ago. I usually just wander around looking for things I want. I slightly hate the place because of things I've readhere, but I just dislike them because they never have anything I really do want, or if they do, they have poop selection and it's overpriced. I wanted Legos, and walmart is the only place in town that has them. I'm a jobless teen, so I never have more than $20, and I can't find anything to use that on that I'll enjoy. Walmart used to be part of our mall, and then I shopped there constantly. Then, they suddenly moved out and put up a super center. They have alot more worthless crap than before, and it seems like not much else affordable.

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Julie Pierce
Posted by: juliepierce on Jun 13, 2005 11:23 AM   
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Hi,
I have been in contact with the Arkansas Attorney General's Office and am waiting for someone to get back to me about this.
Even though the operators at all the news stations tell everyone to email the information in I find that (possibly everyone is afraid of Walmart) no one will touch it.
It is real or I would not be attempting to have it checked by the Attorney General's Office.
I am still trying to find out what happened when relocation funds were originally sent to me from the Walmart Associates Critical Need Trust Fund.

At the time I was just relocated as a salaried manager from New Hampshire to Louisiana and had unusually high relocation expenses.

When I requested additional help from relocation after contacting my divisional vice president he sent me fifteen hundred dollars but it wasn't from the relocation account.

I told him that it was not a hardship situation I just wanted to be reimbursed for the expenses if possible.

It is a long story.

I know everyone is afraid of Walmart...I'm not and this should be looked into. That money is donated it should not be used for the company to pay relocations.
I have documentation and have just recently been told by an RPM that if it was a hardship situation it was right.
I told them before they sent it that it wasn’t' and I refused to use the check until they taxed me on it.

Walmart set up this fund for hourly associates in need not for relocation expenses directly caused by a move.

Julie Pierce

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WalMart screws a kid out of $70
Posted by: Dragginflite on Jun 21, 2005 1:55 PM   
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My 12 year old son worked hard mowing lawns to save enough money to buy himself a bicycle. He saved and put the bicycle on lay-away at the Sanford Wal-Mart. Four days later, after having mowed even more lawns (in the pouring rain), he finally had enough money to get his bicycle off lay-away. He paid for the bicycle on his own. Not one penny of the money was unearned. He even bought a lock and chain for this bicycle.


Three days after purchase, while riding, the pedal broke off. The result- My son fell off the bike and ended up with a bloody, scraped elbow. Inspection of the broken pedal revealed that the threads were stripped. It was clear that whoever assembled the bicycle did not screw the pedal into the pedal sprocket but pounded it in instead. Suspiciously enough, the very same "defect" happened to our friend's son's bike... different bike but from the same store. Her son crashed much harder than mine did.


We took the bicycle back to the Sanford Wal-Mart and spoke to the manager, Jay Worrell. His reaction was an indifferent shrug. Unfortunately, my son misplaced his receipt (he's 12 years old!). Jay Worrell rudely and flat-out refused to take the bike back! He repeatedly said he would "replace the pedal" (by the same guy who put it together the first time?! No thanks!). My son wanted his money back or a different bike but Jay was cold and uncaring and insisted on sticking to Wal-Mart's policy of retaining a receipt.


We explained to Jay Worrell that if he would check the lay-away records, he would indeed find record of this purchase (3 days ago), complete with a 12 year olds scrawled signature on the slip. Jay Worrell refused, pointed to the sign over the "customer service" desk and said, "Save your receipt".


So, as of today, my son's hard work has only earned him a broken bicycle, a bloody elbow and an empty wallet. What has he learned? That Wal-Mart is irresponsible to the youth of the community, that Jay (the man in charge) is unaccommodating, and that indeed, the big corporation doesn't care about the "little guy" or how hard he worked for his money as long as it ultimately ends up in their registers... and stays there!


"Customer Service is #1"? Not at WalMart!


I hope Jay Worrell sleeps well at night, screwing a 12 year old boy out of nearly $80 of hard earned money.

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web site
Posted by: juliepierce on Jun 23, 2005 9:56 AM   
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I wasn't thinking ... you can go to the web site and look for Letter to the President...It might do some good.

If you need further info let me know.

Regards,
Julie

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Our Deepest Sympathy...A Legacy is?
Posted by: juliepierce on Jun 29, 2005 11:28 AM   
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At a time when I seriously thought I was finished with new employment beginnings, at a time when life is more than paying the bills and decisions really mean something because if nothing more I need to stand for something I can truly believe in.

If I leave nothing else behind I must leave what I believe in. I feel that even if no one else can, I must write the words that I truly believe.

I could have continued to act as if the way things were, what I saw was unimportant and would have been allowed to continue to work or not work…my decision for a company that was not what it seemed to be when I came across it in 1998.

I could decide, they were right, I was wrong. Even now, I wonder and I hold inside the reasoning that allows me to justify the monetary losses that my family will endure because I bucked the system and even though it looks like my fault to see it on paper, I know and my family knows better.

I know what it may look like. I have accepted that. I also know that proving any of it without the help that could actually say, actually verify, it will always look like something it is not.

I also have the temporary thought that giving up is easier. Starting over is easier. Why?
Because there is no interest as far as the media is concerned as to why it is the way it is.
Because for some reason, yes I would love to make money doing it, yes I would love to be able to show, prove what I say is true. No one will look at any of it, even if I offer it for free.

A few of the people I made promises to understand. Few, very few of the numbers of hard working Americans actually have verified to me that I am not wrong for the way I feel.

I was very tired of the continued attempt to get the entire situation into the open while working hours posted on a wall by another who is only interested in the monetary value of their time and nothing else.

If I could lie to myself and others I could have done it. If I could lie to my family and anyone else who presented the questions that no one would answer I could have done it.

As mom instilled in me, somewhere along the way, I can only feel that I once again made the mistake of looking at the entire company as what it was in a small piece of it by comparison very small.

The illusion of clean…

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