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The End of Reason

By David Morris, AlterNet. Posted March 31, 2005.


Organized religion elevates superstition to an entirely new level, so let's call its institutions by their proper name: superstition-based institutions.

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For Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, until 2003 the deputy head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican's most powerful office, seeing The DaVinci Code in a Vatican bookstore was the last straw. In early March he lashed out at Catholic bookstores for carrying the book, and directed Catholics not to read it. Why? "There is a very real risk that many people who read it will believe that the fables it contains are true."

Fables?

Dan Brown's phenomenal bestseller suggests that Jesus was an immensely popular and prophetic leader who married one of his closest associates and had a family. Archbishop Bertone and the Church maintain that Jesus was at the same time a man, the son of God, and God himself, that a virgin woman gave birth to him and remained a virgin, that a few days after he was killed he came back to life and shortly thereafter was taken up to heaven to spend an eternity directing the destinies of billions of people.

In a rational world the burden of proof as to which is fable would fall on the Church. But there's the rub. For when it comes to organized religion, no burden of proof is required. On the contrary, by definition, religion requires faith and faith renounces evidence. Taking a proposition "on faith" means to consciously and willfully refuse to examine the facts.

There is a word for this type of thinking: Superstition. Many dictionaries define superstition as "belief which is not based on human reason or scientific knowledge." The American Heritage Dictionary defines superstition as "a belief, practice or rite irrationally maintained by ignorance of the laws of nature" and "a fearful or abject state resulting from such ignorance or irrationality."

Of course, we all have our superstitions. I may refrain from walking under a ladder, or throw salt over my shoulder after a salt spill to avoid bad things from happening to me. But organized religion elevates superstition to an entirely new level. It demands that we govern our lives with superstition, promises us eternal salvation and bliss if we do, and threatens us with eternal damnation and pain if we do not.

It is long past time we stopped giving a free pass to organizations that refuse to be guided by reason and would force their unreason on the entire society. A first step would be to stop calling these "faith-based institutions" and start calling them by the synonymous and much more instructive term, "superstition-based institutions."

No Other Superstition But This One

Organized superstitions might be more socially supportable if their creed included a provision accepting the organized superstitions of others. Unfortunately, modern religions do not practice tolerance. For example Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore gained widespread fame and even adulation when he refused to obey court orders to remove from the Alabama Courthouse a huge stone tablet on which was inscribed the Ten Commandments. When he was asked how he would react to the suggestion that a monument to the Koran or the Torah also be placed in the Courthouse he brusquely declared he would prohibit such an installation.

A few months later, Lt. Gen. William G. "Jerry" Boykin, the new deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence explained why he knew he would win his battle against Muslims in Somalia. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol."

The creationism vs. evolution debate also illuminates this intolerance. Christians insist that their creation myth represent the creationist side. But there are many creationist myths, many of which predated both Christianity and Judaism. If evidence is not needed, why exclude any superstitions? As Sam Harris notes in The End of Faith, "there is no more evidence to justify a belief in the literal existence of Yahweh and Satan than there was to keep Zeus perched upon his mountain throne or Poseidon churning the seas."

The impact of moving towards "superstition-based institutions" would be highly controversial, quite educational, and on the whole exceedingly salutary. Consider the impact on the audience if we switched the interchangeable terms in President George W. Bush's following statement, posted on a federal web site:

I believe in the power of superstition in people's lives. Our government should not fear programs that exist because a church or a synagogue or a mosque has decided to start one. We should not discriminate against programs based upon superstition in America. We should enable them to access federal money, because superstition-based programs can change people's lives, and America will be better off for it.

Fanatics and Zealots Destroying the Liberty of Thought

In her magnificent book, Freethinkers, Susan Jacoby describes the 230-year-old battle in the United States between reason and superstition. She discusses the post-Civil War period in which the battle may have been most evenly matched.


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David Morris is co-founder and vice president of the Institute for Local Self Reliance in Minneapolis, Minn. and director of its New Rules project.

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FAITH BASED "REASON"
Posted by: Lackawack on Mar 31, 2005 5:05 AM   
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AMEN! (Please excuse the expression.)

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» Superstition v. Reason Posted by: Liberal of the 50s
» RE: FAITH BASED "REASON" Posted by: sdnrnr
What would the perfect world be for Mr. Morris?
Posted by: campoe on Mar 31, 2005 5:08 AM   
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I read this and other columns, posted on the "Institute for Local Self-Reliance" web page (?) and I was puzzled. Besides the general anger against religion, especially Catholics, and the occasional half truth (which Dan Brown also uses in his very-entertaining book), I just don't see the point. I agree with Mr. Morris in the sense that all extremes are bad, including religion. But I think he over-generalizes a things a bit too much. By the way, the "science centers" refusing to show Volcanoes is in fact an IMAX theatre. And that decision was reversed due to popular pressure coming from many of the same supersticious fools Mr. Morris refers to in this column. As a final PS, please look up the definition of the word "faith," Mr. Morris.

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» Reason without faith is blind Posted by: The General
» Religion = Superstition Posted by: tomshef
» Religion as Superstition Posted by: getclear
» RE: VAST Oversimplification Posted by: cattdages
End of faith or end of reason?
Posted by: Pippinesq on Mar 31, 2005 5:20 AM   
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Read Sam Harris' book and be enlightened - and frightened.

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VAST oversimplification.
Posted by: dirkster42 on Mar 31, 2005 5:58 AM   
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This column rehashes an old worn-out view that organized religion demands nothing but uncritical acceptance of truths that fly in the face of evidence. However, all of the great religions have long-standing strands that insist that reason is an important component of religion. Mainline Protestant seminaries teach the Bible according to historical critical methods, which separate mythology and message. Finally, religion has just as often been a progressive force as a reactionary one. Ever hear of Martin Luther King?

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» Hardly Posted by: RedQueen
» keyword "oversimplification" Posted by: dirkster42
Faith based pseudo science is on the rise in universities.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Mar 31, 2005 6:14 AM   
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I fell victim to the "faith" over two decades ago. The fanatic's definition of faith is knowledge that cannot be challenged otherwise you don't have real faith. Much of what the NCSE uses is this kind of circular coercive logic. Information regarding what is being pushed can be found at www.ncseweb.org . Scientific information regarding the use of all forms of religion pretending to be science and their origins can be found at www.talkorigins.org and is supported by field professionals and university professors to debunk the garbage that is invading our schools. The US is moving backwards in science and problem solving at an alarming rate and is actually falling behind some third world nations at the high school level.

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The End of Reason?
Posted by: beylehey on Mar 31, 2005 6:22 AM   
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Humanity is endowed with reason. Human beings are inclined by this faculty to ask "Why am I here? What is my purpose?" This search deploys consciousness into the realms of science and spirit. Every teacher, rabbi, lao tzu, great spirit who has claimed to be from God, brought a book, and established the principles for living in peace and justice (i.e. White Buffalo Calf Woman, Massau, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Krishna, Muhammad, Zoroaster, Buddha, Bab, Baha'u'llah, and others) and those who kept their covenant alive represent faith, which is the power of attraction to the truth. Science and spirit must agree. They are like the wings of a bird. Science without spirit is materialism, spirit without science is superstition. The bird cannot fly without balance.

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» Philosophy vs Superstition Posted by: julianblair
» The End of Reason? Posted by: RobertVermeers
» RE: The End of Reason? Posted by: Nubby
» RE: RE: The End of Reason? Posted by: beylehey
» RE: The End of Reason? Posted by: sp199
» RE: The End of Reason? Posted by: mcubert
church and state
Posted by: oregonhempqueen on Mar 31, 2005 6:40 AM   
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When a religion becomes the state religion, then its practice is generally required. This has been true throughout history. But required faith distroys faith. Because who can be sure if the adherent is not just going through the motions ( for economic reasons or to keep out of legal problems) or really believes? I think that this actually diminishes those who truly believe and makes those who just mouth the faith able to make changes that denys the teachings of that religion. Take for instances those changes now taking place in DC. Every day we can see legislators extolling religion to achieve changes that put monetary goals above humanitarian goals, mammon over Christ's directions to help our "brothers" and "to love our neighbors as ourselves.

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» RE: church and state Posted by: Proud Primate
» RE: RE: church and state Posted by: Proud Primate
» RE: RE: RE: church and state Posted by: Proud Primate
End of Reason
Posted by: 42Years on Mar 31, 2005 6:53 AM   
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Of course "when it comes to organized religion, no burden of proof is required...Taking a proposition "on faith" means to consciously and willfully refuse to examine the facts." We are used to this since Bush has been renouncing reason since he TOOK office in 2000. It is much easier for the flock to follow mindlessly than to think about the facts.

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» RE: End of Reason Posted by: Jack Shultz
» RE: RE: End of Reason Posted by: mcubert
thought provoking
Posted by: elfcat on Mar 31, 2005 7:16 AM   
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Thanks for writing this. Fear of offending the religious seems to have become the new political correctness, so it's nice to see someone toss around some controversial ideas.

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» The sad thing is Posted by: bgroat
people need faith
Posted by: ihugtrees on Mar 31, 2005 7:24 AM   
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There's some evidence that some people are hard-wired for supernatural beliefs - feelings of transcendence can be manipulated with drugs or electromagnetic fields. If there is a "god" receptor in the brain or some kind of circuitry for it we'll never get rid of it. Instead of confrontation and vilification why not acceptance? Maybe we should treat these people with pity rather than scorn. Only through education can we make progress.

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» Do people need faith? Posted by: notthatgarybauer
» RE: people need faith Posted by: mcubert
It's sadly ironic
Posted by: bgroat on Mar 31, 2005 7:35 AM   
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that in searching to find the cause for the existence of so complex and rational a creature as ourselves, so many should abandon those same traits in settling on an explanation. Wonderful article.

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End of Reason
Posted by: mountainmama on Mar 31, 2005 7:58 AM   
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This is an absolutely superb piece!!! I am heartened to read someone expressing my views so eloquently and, more importantly, accurately! Thank you...immensely!

Having been born, baptised, and confirmed a "Christian" I have come to abhor it and denouce it for it's bigotry, hypocracy and self-righteousness that is so apparent to all who are not blinded by the illusion.

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Self Reliance is Masturbation
Posted by: red_conservative on Mar 31, 2005 8:00 AM   
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Morris is so far off base here that he should consider himself lucky to have such an extreme left venue to use as a platform. What sort of pompous individual would declare "taking a proposition 'on faith' means to consciously and willfully refuse to examine the facts". I would like to challenge David Morris to find and disprove any instance less than factual from the Bible and then publish what you found untrue. Actually I will just save you some time everything in the Bible is true, it is a historically accurate document. I guess that disruptes David's opinion on faith disregarding truth especially since faith supports truth! Now tell me who the one is refusing to examine the facts, maybe someone should read their own article!

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» Do Your Homework Posted by: pcushnie
» No, Bible is not accurate* Posted by: lyle-tate
» Faith? Posted by: roly
» Let it pass, let it pass. Posted by: Zarquan
» RE: Self Reliance is Masturbation Posted by: Jack Shultz
Reason is sometimes unreasonable
Posted by: Miranda on Mar 31, 2005 8:03 AM   
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http://phoenix.swarthmore.edu/2005-03-24/ opinions/14833

(delete the space between "opinions" and the preceding backlash, if u want. )

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End of Reason
Posted by: pcushnie on Mar 31, 2005 8:08 AM   
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Thanks to David Morris for speaking out where so many others fear to tread. For too long, religion and the god concept have enjoyed a hands-off protection from scrutiny and critique, while being elevated to unreasonable levels of rank and privilege. But as social behavior patterns that affect everyone, directly or indirectly, supernaturalism should be as open to close examination as anything else that affects society. For my part, I would have religion treated like cigarette smoking.

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» Religion equivalent to Second Hand Smoke? Posted by: red_conservative
» Cigarette Smoke and Mirrors Posted by: pcushnie
Balance, y'all
Posted by: mviscid on Mar 31, 2005 8:15 AM   
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While holding an entire society hostage to only one belief system is ludicrous and painful, I don't think faith by itself is an inherently bad thing. It's all in what a person does with it, like anything. Ask yourself whether you've ever wished for The Revoluation to come, to right all the corporate wrongs. That's faith too.

I read recently that Catholic Relief services paid to replace a mosque's roof in the Lhok Bubon village in the tsunami's aftermath. You won't see that on the news. Because we don't hear from the sane, humble religious types because they're too busy living sane, humble lives.

If my society were to be governed purely by logic, I'd find that no less horrific than living under Biblical law. I'm not a robot.

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» Walking by Faith Posted by: Kym525
» RE: Balance, y'all Posted by: Karieson
» RE: Balance, y'all Posted by: crz53
We should use the term "surperstition" instead of "faith"
Posted by: Andros on Mar 31, 2005 8:19 AM   
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I think we need to be pushing the envelope of understanding and progress....so, this articles and all related effort to debunk the religious myths are all good and necessary. However, society moves very slowly (bar a revolution), and people's beliefs don't change easily. I've been writing about our religious myths as they impact our lives and public policy, but I've come to the conclusion that most people are not interested in the truth or even an alternative theory.... if it feels good to belong to the church or believe in something benevolent that will take care of you somehow, well, this is all that matters!

I'm not giving up. I'm all for progressive, the scientific method and further understanding--knowledge based on facts not faith. But, people should be ready to accept this....

Yet, where would we be today if there weren't those few who broke the barriers of culture, church, and gave us avenues of intellect and spiritual freedom....

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The End of Reason
Posted by: thirdmg on Mar 31, 2005 8:24 AM   
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Thank you, AlterNet. This kind of article, as a balance to the rising tide of faith-based irrationality in our country, is long overdue. Religion, especially when it intrudes in politics and in our personal lives, should never be placed beyond criticism. I would emphasize, however, that not all religions are equally irational, authoritarian or intolerant. Buddhism, for example, is widely respected for teaching compassion and tolerance and for being a fundamentally rational religion. Most notably, and unlike Christianity and Islam, Buddhism has never initiated a religious war.

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» In the same vein... Posted by: Zarquan
» RE: The End of Reason Posted by: kingfelix
» RE: RE: The End of Reason Posted by: thirdmg
» RE: RE: RE: The End of Reason Posted by: kingfelix
Bravo!
Posted by: jrculshaw on Mar 31, 2005 8:28 AM   
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If we want to preserve the separation of church and state, it is imperative that we begin to think along these lines. If not, I fear that the US will slip into a very dangerous "Holy War" with any religion that is not "Christ-centirc" -- A VERY bad scenario.

This is a timely topic for me as I am exploring the very same ideas in a sculpture project. Have a look at:
http://www.culshaw.info
then -> "Projects"
then -> "ReligiousLines"

I am not anti-faith (superstition), just scared by the fact that America is becoming the Christian version of the Taliban. Extremism in any form is evil.

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Deeds
Posted by: pcushnie on Mar 31, 2005 8:33 AM   
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No person can perform a good deed any more effectively in the name of his god than he can do it in his own name alone, but no person can perform an evil deed any more enthusiastically than when it is done in the name of his god.

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» You live in a box Posted by: red_conservative
» alrighty. Posted by: smidget2k4
» RE: You live in a box Posted by: cardboardurinal
» RE: You live in a box Posted by: cuz baby jesus says it
» RE: You live in a box Posted by: radar
» RE: You live in a box Posted by: Cathyblj
» RE: You live in a box Posted by: matthew2200
Get a clue
Posted by: red_conservative on Mar 31, 2005 8:35 AM   
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Prove it then! All you can do is talk of how others have disproved the Bible, then show me! Don't tell me about others and what they found, prove to me what in the Bible isn't true. You can't! God exists, you're a liar and I'm praying for you.

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» umm... yeah Posted by: smidget2k4
» Hiding under a bridge Posted by: red_conservative
» RE: Hiding under a bridge Posted by: radar
» RE: Hiding under a bridge Posted by: mcubert
» RE: Hiding under a bridge Posted by: matthew2200
» Persoanl Attacks Posted by: pcushnie
» A clue not needed Posted by: notthatgarybauer
» RE: Get a clue Posted by: radar
» RE: Get a clue Posted by: Karieson
» Mad monkey! Posted by: gazevans
Connotations Matter
Posted by: Harlequin on Mar 31, 2005 8:58 AM   
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As a practical atheist, actually, I find this piece objectionable.

Connotations matter.

The connotations of "faith" include the its associated deeds - from works of highest altruism to vilest horror. It is not reasonable to redefine the word so as to exclude the altruism connotation. "Superstition" has very different connotations today... small things, indulgences to an almost tongue-in-cheek tribute to tradition. Petty - not major - indulgences which are harmless and therefore permitted.

Neither the Christian right nor the author of this piece have permission to abuse the language as they do. The ability to draw clear yet subtle distinctions is too important. Rewritten with the substitution as a metaphor, even a strong one, rather than a strict congruity... this would be a fine article. As it is, I find it repugnant for choosing this approach, even as I agree with the underlying theme.

This site can, and shou

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» Defintions Posted by: pcushnie
» Practicing atheist?! Posted by: bonzi
» Altruism Posted by: pcushnie
...
Posted by: Harlequin on Mar 31, 2005 8:59 AM   
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...and should, maintain a higher standard than this.

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A Bit Critical But Excellent
Posted by: nakis on Mar 31, 2005 9:04 AM   
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Yes, Mr. Morris's article is a bit critical. He may not think so. But he has good right to be.
Anyone who has studied past and current events is well aware of the death and destruction that has happened and continues to happen in the name of religion.
Yes, religion does great things for man. But it's intolerance and repression of freedom in church states is not excuseable.
Anyone who can see where many people like Bush, Delay, Frist, etc.. are looking to lead America to is enough to cause you to soil yourself. They claim to work for Christ but believe in depriving people of life, liberty and happiness. Never did the Christ tell them to engage in those actions. Yet they do it on claims of morality. There are a great many Christians opposed to those actions including MLK Jr.
The mixing of church and state always, without exception, resulted in loss of freedom, in death and destruction. We cannot change course and follow that path at any time.

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The business of religion
Posted by: gramps on Mar 31, 2005 9:08 AM   
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The necessity for a spiritual life seems to be age old with us. Like most human needs, business has stepped in to supply it. I am totally in agreement with this essay although I have had a spiritual experience that changed my life. This came as a great surprise to me because I was a militant athiest when it happened. Even the iron hand of Stalin could not eliminate religion. The very best that can be done is to remove the money from it; the same thing can be said for government.

Those who profit from religion do so as theologists. No one has a knowledge of God, or what his will is for everyone. My experience came about when, after standing silent at a recovery meeting, I decided to join the others in the Lord's Prayer on an impulse. The ceiling lit up in a glorious light--The short period of the prayer seemed to last for ages. My first thought was, "they are right!" the hill-billy preachers were right and I was wrong.

This awakening did not change my

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» RE: The business of religion Posted by: beylehey
Religion
Posted by: cottontail on Mar 31, 2005 9:12 AM   
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I like the opinion of that famous lapsed Irish Catholic George Carlin, who said, "When it comes to bullshit---big time, major league bullshit--you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion." Our TV cable carries a batch of tele-evangelists who cater, quite successfully it seems, to the mentality of an 8-year old. To watch these latter-day Elmer Gantrys work their followers into a teary, arm-waving lather, prior to asking for money, is not a pleasant spectacle. The term "brain-dead" has been in the news a lot lately.

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What Thirdmg Said
Posted by: nakis on Mar 31, 2005 9:26 AM   
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Just going on what Thirdmg said.

"Most notably, and unlike Christianity and Islam, Buddhism has never initiated a religious war. "

This is not a pro Buddhist post.

Most notably Chistrianity and Islam, the two great religions who have warred the most amoung each other and themselves are supposed to based upon the worship of God. Christ, the Prince of Peace, has had easily tens of millions of people killed in his name for two thousand years (I can't prove that figure but over all the continents the people add up). The same goes for Islam.
Buddhism teaches tolerance and respect for all life. There is no word for holy war in Buddhism.
I have heard fundamentalist Baptist declare that the Nation of Islam is lead by Satan and they all must be killed for Christ (uttered by my own sister).

I am a Christian but I love the Buddhist faith. Peace, tolerance and respect for all life isn't just in their teachings. T

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» Actually, check out Sri Lanka Posted by: arborman
What the hell is faith?
Posted by: jacklack on Mar 31, 2005 9:32 AM   
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If what we have commonly called "faith" is really superstition,
then what IS faith? A well reasoned article based on some
silly redefinitions.

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» Redefinitions ???? Posted by: lyle-tate
Morris' anti-intellectualism
Posted by: Rev. Gumdrops on Mar 31, 2005 9:32 AM   
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Picking on the excesses of religion is like shooting fish in a barrel, but brazen secularism does no better. Witness Marxism. To dismiss thousands of years of scholarship with the wiff that it is all superstition is the height of anti-intellectualism. Christianity has sustained and challenged the minds of the likes of Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, M.L. King, Dorothy Day, and countless believers who found the evidence for the faith compelling. Read some philosophy of religion and apologetics to counter these biases. There is plenty of historical evidence, though not incontrovertable, for the resurrection of Christ, for instance.If you begin with the a priori that this is a closed universe, then, of course, you cannot make room for the transcendant. Faith and reason are not incompatible, they are ineluctably wound together. For many of us a faith without an intellectual underpinning would be no faith at all.

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» In a Barrel Posted by: pcushnie
"who knows; who cares; why bother..." an old biker saying
Posted by: crystaldave on Mar 31, 2005 9:34 AM   
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"...It's a battle for your head, heart, and ass..."

Love and Light,

Crystal Dave (The Wizard of Wyrd)

"The Strong take from the Weak; The Smart take from the Strong; And Evil takes from everyone..."

...try not to let the bastards get to you...

C.D.

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END OF REASON
Posted by: susan9390 on Mar 31, 2005 9:36 AM   
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Religion has inspired great art and music as well as bloody wars. "Christians" have strayed from the teachings of Christ and are among the first to bear arms against their fellow humans in spite of the clear commandment that "thou shalt not kill." You can prove almost anything by invoking the Bible (faith), just as you can by invoking statistics (reason). Churches are social organizations where like-minded individuals can gather to share their humanity.

While I do not belong to a religious organization, I still consider myself a spiritual being. This sense of something greater has placed an enormous burden on us: to balance the evidence of reason and the inspiration of faith. I have taught biology, and I tried to instill in my students the idea that the human mind can entertain and evaluate alternatives. I taught evolutionism, creationism, and "space seed" theory, and the essay question on the exam asked students to chose one and defend their choice.

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» RE: END OF REASON Posted by: rykit
End of Reason
Posted by: Iamnotafruittree on Mar 31, 2005 9:50 AM   
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Gee, boys, get a clue. A MAN gives life and takes life? He is then hung on a cross, in pain, bleeds, wears a diaper, supposely dies, goes in a dark seclucion for THREE days, then emerges alive! How many of you can't see that is what women do every month? Religion was invented so that men can do whatever the hell they want to the Mother Earth. They stole the women's story and took it for their own. These men murdered, burned, tortured, disrespected life for anyone who would not see it their way, so that men could DO WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE. The one problem is this; now the backlash is that these men and now women are so unhappy that they have to reach out to find anything from without themselves so as to not ever look inside themselves. They wish everyone to join their hated view of the world, the BEAUTIFUL LIVING SOUL called SHE, Earth, so that they don't have to take responsibility for their own past actions that is now killing life on Earth. SHAME ON YOU!

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slavery
Posted by: quitbeingstupid on Mar 31, 2005 9:54 AM   
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Organized religion scares the **** out of me!

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With us or against us?
Posted by: sarahspirit on Mar 31, 2005 10:02 AM   
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A confrontational piece like this does little to enhance the public debate over the separation of church and state. He has oversimplified the quest for truth into a simple binary choice - faith or reason. It is on par with Bush's claim that you are either with the USA or with the terrorists.

I am both deeply faithful and highly reasonable. My faith is rooted in the inherent value in every human being. The vast majority of humans share this faith, yet they express it in many ways. It may be the belief in the Baby Buddha that lives in each person. It may be the belief that God created all humans in his own image. It may be a secular belief in unalienable human rights. But it is the same faith that leads us to fight for the cause of humanity and revere universally held values like peace, justice, and freedom.

There is plenty to debate about how to work for these values, but to deride faith and make a scapegoat of religion is reactionary and counterproductiv

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» With us or against us? Posted by: n2n
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I believe, yet I am scared
Posted by: cyclone2525 on Mar 31, 2005 10:31 AM   
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I don't doubt my belief in God, nor do I doubt my belief that government and God have no right to mix. I teach Biology at a local community college and I am appalled at how little my students know about certain topics because their parents have deemed those topics "evil." Evolution is not the belief we evolved from monkeys and it occurs every day everywhere on earth. Teaching abstinence will not stop curiousity and hormones, it will however stop kids from using proper birth and STD control. I'm scared right now, not only as someone teaching science, but as a citizen who finds herself despising members of her own faith. I may be "Christian" but that's my choice, not the government's.

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» AMEN! Posted by: Drae
Thank you for this Article!
Posted by: padam on Mar 31, 2005 10:32 AM   
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Religious organizations are going to fulfill their own apocalypse, with our president thinking his actions are the will of god; they will use the power of science to drop the nuclear apocalypse.

I don’t waste my time with FAITH, I only believe what can be seen and heard, and also proven with science, not belief.

peace

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Could have been a good article...
Posted by: room34 on Mar 31, 2005 10:41 AM   
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Out-of-control religious zealotry is one of the most dangerous influences on our society today, but a broad, simplistic rehash of arguments against the church is not what the left needs to effectively counter it. Morris all but elevates a facile notion of "reason" to the same level of superstition he carelessly ascribes to all religions.

As others have noted here, there are large elements within the religious community, especially in mainline Protestant denominations, that highly value reason and critical thought, and believe that faith not only can but MUST be challenged regularly. Not all Christian denominations take the Bible as literal truth, and not all claim absolute truth over all other faiths.

I am not at all surprised that Judge Moore was oblivious that the Ten Commandments are, in fact, a PART of the Torah, but those who strive to fight his position should do the kinds of basic research necessary to back up their own message.

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NO, The Bible is NOT Accurate
Posted by: lyle-tate on Mar 31, 2005 10:45 AM   
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There are things in the Bible, particulary in Genesis that scientists have found to be inacurate. One simple example is the FACT that we (Homo Sapiens) shared this planet with other species of humans for thousands, possibly even millions of years. Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalensis, and the latest-Homo Florencis ("Hobbits" still in the early stages of study).
The Bible mentions nothing about this, and oh, don't get me started on Reptiles and Dinosaurs. There is solid physical evidence that supports/proves the above. And that is the difference between Science and Faith, one is truth/reality and one is Superstition(that which can not be proven). But with all this being said it DOES NOT mean that a GOD, a Higher Force does not exist. Not even scientists are sure how the Universe itself was created. A "God" or "Creator" may have set the whole thing in motion.

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Another Sad Example
Posted by: sknight on Mar 31, 2005 10:46 AM   
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This essay, while well researched, is another sad example of how the "progressive" community repeatedly cuts itself off from a huge cadre of potential allies by painting all religion with the same bad brush. Religion. like anything else, can be put to good or bad uses. Even a bicycle can be a lethal weapon if you decide to run over people with it! In the past two years the church-based peace & justice group I belong to has petitioned to raise the state minimum wage, marched against the occupation of Iraq, registered voters of all parties, raised a significant amount of money to support Third World development, and made sure that only Fair Trade coffee is served at church events. (And this is only a partial list of what we have done.) We do these things not just to be "good liberals", but because we believe that such acts are called for in our church's central gospel. It is truly possible, I think, to kneel before one's Creator and also be a "freethinker".

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