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Trailer Talk's Frack Talk: New York Attorney General Threatens to Sue Feds If They Don't Study Impact of Fracking

"We can't afford to get this wrong even once." Delaware River Basin residents talk about their fracking concerns.

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Artel: Are you saying that you're concerned that you don't know what kind of exploration it will be? Or, you want them just to be able to go ahead no matter what?

Janyszeski: No. There needs to be a regular permit granted where they need to do an environmental impact study; they need to do a storm water management study; they need to follow all the regulations for a permit that's not for a test well. That's what they need to do. "Test well" just simply means come in and drill a well. That's it. They don't have to do anything. They don't have to answer to anybody; they don't have to follow any protocol.

Artel: How do you feel, then, about natural gas drilling? Are you concerned about the problems that you're seeing in your state of Pennsylvania?

Janyszeski: Absolutely. I think we need responsible drilling. I think we need to slow it down. I think we need to do and make sure that we're not going to harm the environment. So, yes.

Artel: Thank you so much.

Pat Carullo: The National Parks Service, the federal government, has written a letter to the DRBC insisting that they regulate all wells. Just like the exploratory well in the Gulf, they are allowing up to 10 exploratory wells. That's unacceptable. And what we're learning now, since we're out here talking in the parking lot, is that the room is mostly occupied by pro-drillers, and most of the people here seem to be opposed to drilling. So, I'm proposing that this meeting be shut down immediately because it's not a viable public meeting. Nonetheless, the meeting is continuing.

This is the day and these are the issues that we need to address in order to protect the Upper Delaware Watershed. If these exceptions, exemptions and exclusions moves forward, there'll be no way to protect the watershed, which has multiple layers of federal protection. So again, the federal government has the National Parks Service, the Fish and Wildlife Service. The Interior Department has asked the DRBC to properly regulate these wells; nonetheless, the DRBC has not responded to their request. Our lawyers are present inside, and our members from the Damascus Citizens are present inside. By the time you hear this on the radio, you'll be able to go to damascuscitizens.org and you'll be able to find out what's happening in real time right here.

I'm one of the founders of Damascus Citizens, and we're doing everything we can -- we and the community -- everything we can to really protect what is a precious national treasure from this "Drill, Baby, Drill" total unregulated, total exempted, total excepted operation that's being rammed down our throats.

Artel: Pat, could you share with me how you were part of the founding of Damascus Citizens -- when that began, and what this grassroots organization that has really had a large impact on slowing things down, on educating the public, on all kinds of things ... so, how you became involved, when that was, and how you see the role of Damascus Citizens?

Carullo: I remember from this period, which was two and a half years ago now, I was in my kayak and just trying my best to be in nature, be in the Upper Delaware, and enjoy it. And then I heard ... somehow there was this scheme, this program, this process called "hydrofracking," and the more I learned, the more I couldn't believe what I was hearing. This was two and a half years ago. I was hearing that one industry -- the gas and oil industry -- is exempt from every single federal environmental law on the books. I couldn't believe it. It's true.

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