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Former Police Chief Norm Stamper: 'Let's Not Stop at Marijuana Legalization'
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These days, it seems like everyone is talking in earnest about marijuana legalization, once dismissed as little more than a Cheech and Chong pipe dream. Indeed, a new poll reveals that 53 percent of Americans now support ending marijuana prohibition.
Bolstered by increasing public support for something once considered to be a political third rail, lawmakers from Rhode Island to Washington State have put the issue on the table for consideration. And citizen initiatives (particularly in California) are cropping up faster than ditch weed.
These are welcome developments to a retired police chief like me who oversaw the arrests of countless people for marijuana and other drugs, but saw no positive impact from all the blood, sweat and tears (and money) put into the effort. Soon, it seems, cops may no longer have to waste time and risk lives enforcing pot laws that don’t actually prevent anyone from using marijuana.
Yet, I'm alarmed that the above-mentioned poll showing majority support for marijuana legalization also found that fewer than one in 10 people agree that it's time to end the prohibition of other drugs.
This no doubt makes sense to some readers at first glance, since more people are familiar with marijuana than other drugs like cocaine, heroin or meth. However, even a cursory study of our drug war policies will reveal that legalizing pot but not other drugs will leave huge social harms unresolved.
Legalizing marijuana only will not:
• Stop gangs from selling other drugs to our kids (since illegal drug dealers rarely check for ID);
• Stop drug dealers from brutally murdering rival traffickers for the purpose of controlling the remaining criminal market for other drugs;
• Stop drug dealers from firing on cops charged with fighting the senseless war on other illicit drugs;
• Stop drug dealers from killing kids caught in crossfire and drive-by shootings;
• Stop overdose deaths of drug users who refrain from calling 911 out of fear of legal repercussions;
• Reduce the spread of infectious diseases like AIDS and hepatitis, since marijuana users don’t inject their drug like heroin users (who sometimes share dirty needles and syringes because prohibition makes it hard to secure clean ones);
• Stop the bloody cartel battles in Mexico that are rapidly expanding over the border into the U.S;
• Stop the Taliban from raking in massive profits from illegal opium cultivation in Afghanistan.
Of course, none of this means that our rapidly growing marijuana legalization movement should slow down.
On the contrary, as the polls show, a majority of Americans understand that legalizing marijuana will produce many benefits. No longer will 800,000 people a year be arrested on pot charges, their lives damaged if not ruined; governments will be able to tax the popular commodity; regulation and revenues will help forge and finance effective programs of drug abuse prevention and treatment; and those vicious cartels will lose as much as half their illicit profits when they can no longer sell marijuana.
Further, once people get used to the idea of allowing legal sales of the previously banned drug we'll be able to point to successful regulation as a model for similar treatment of all other currently illicit substances.
Marijuana legalization is a great step in the direction of sane and sensible drug policy. But we reformers must remember that we’re working to legalize drugs not because we think they are safe, but because prohibition is far more dangerous to users and nonusers alike.
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Posted by: swansong on Dec 14, 2009 6:05 PM
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"the worst thing that can happen to you from marijuana is jail"
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Posted by: Spot on Dec 14, 2009 7:23 PM
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Posted by: johnpublic on Dec 14, 2009 8:52 PM
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Posted by: oroboros on Dec 14, 2009 11:28 PM
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Also see Peter McWilliams's Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in our Free Country.
Prisons are built with stones of Law. Brothels with the bricks of religion.
- William Blake
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Posted by: tintwizard on Dec 15, 2009 7:47 AM
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Kids see their parents struggling to survive after working hard for entire lifetimes having very little to show for it and then they look up the street to see people living it up and never having to sweat or stress. Sure those folks may have to end up doing some time here and there but they see their parents lives as being entirely lived in the prison of poverty.
Same goes for true addicts. It makes it a lot harder to break the cycle of addiction when one can supply their habit and possibly more by slinging the product that has them enslaved, creating the same cycle of appeal as mentioned above.
What happens a lot of times with addicts when their addiction starts creating employment issues is they decide it's easier to become more deeply involved in the drug trade thereby reducing ones chances of seeking help. With legalization the black market would be so tiny that this would be a less viable option for them.
Most of all it is about protecting our kids from early exposure to these issues before they have developed the maturity needed to properly process these decisions. People will be exposed to recreational drugs at some point in their lives and we will never be able to prevent that but prohibition makes that happen at an earlier age by removing control from responsible entities and placing it in the hands of the least responsible segment of society---criminals and gangbangers who recrute and pray upon our young.
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Posted by: efficacy on Dec 15, 2009 1:27 PM
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The recent push to decriminalize and legalize drugs, especially marijuana, has picked up steam all over the world. California Governor Schwarzenegger said legalization has to be put on the table. Rhode Island has written into its new medical marijuana law that in 2012 outright legalization would be formally addressed. Portugal has decriminalized small amounts of formerly illegal drugs, along with Mexico. Many countries now have such policies on the table for consideration.
But in the United States the drug reform movement, if one can call it that, is sharply focused on marijuana and not on drug prohibition as a whole. Unfortunately this focus ignores three other longstanding and devastating social issues. First, drug war policies have needlessly taken potential taxpayers out of the community and spent tax money to keep them in prison. Second, twenty million children have been orphaned because one or both parents have been sent to prison on drug related charges. Third, in that process, public and higher education have been dramatically shortchanged.
As a result, billions of dollars that could well be funneled into education and health care instead of going aimlessly into law enforcement for myriad scams and follies. We have taken countless young people out of our community on drug charges and wonder why they and their contemporaries no longer have faith in our system. Our children are not stupid; they see two forms of justice, one for the well-connected and one for the poor. Society will pay for this perception of injustice for decades to come.
But we must also not forget the impact of the War on local economies. The police chiefs of Camden, Newark, Philadelphia, and Los Angeles have said that parts of their cities would collapse financially without the illegal drug trade. It's one thing to knock someone on the head for money to buy drugs, but it's a different thing to do it to buy bread. The drug economy would need to be replaced. Using Connecticut as an example we can see the potential. Studies show that it has three and half million residents with over a six hundred million dollar prison budget. The prison population, some 17,000, with seventy percent serving time for drug related charges, presents a goldmine of economic opportunity. We must also remember that in the late eighties to early nineties Connecticut spent a billion dollars to build prisons, with luck never to be repeated.
So when illegal drugs are one day legalized, medicalized or decriminalized, that will present the state a windfall of around four hundred million dollars per year. All of following could be accomplished with the stroke of a pen. For more go to Efficacy's web site.
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» RE: Legalization without indemnification is totally irresponsible
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Dec 16, 2009 5:34 AM
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Posted by: sherry on Dec 16, 2009 5:56 AM
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And if we went in that direction, how would we justify our other wars?
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» Just give it time
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» It has a chance
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Posted by: vasumurti on Dec 16, 2009 7:00 AM
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Election Day 2008 was a success for marijuana initiatives across the country, thanks to the work of the Marijuana Policy Project (MPP), the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML), and numerous state and local groups.
In Massachusetts, voters decriminalized the possession of up to one ounce of marijuana. A campaign led by the Committee for Sensible Marijuana Policy and organized by MPP resulted in a 65 percent to 35 percent victory for the initiative.
In another state-level win, Michigan voters approved a medical marijuana initiative by a similarly lopsided margin. The campaign to pass that initiative was led by the MPP-backed Michigan Coalition for Compassionate Care.
At the local level, two initiatives to make make adult marijuana possession the lowest law enforcement priority won big. One, in Hawaii County, Hawaii, was led by Project Peaceful Sky. The other, in Fayetteville, Arkansas, was led by a coalition called Sensible Fayetteville.
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Posted by: dbaker on Dec 16, 2009 7:51 AM
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Is self preservation, If marijuan was legal then they would have to go after themselves for narcotic trafficing!
there is no war on drugs. the war is against the citizens.
Slavery still exists in North America but is "dressed up pretty", and disguised as the Justice System.
It is the legislated ability of Police Officials, to act regardless of usually applicable rights, where other offences do not give police liberties to suspend constitutional rights as they do to suspected drug offences.
Have you every thought of not electing/ reelecting officials, firing ( police chiefs)as long as the availability of non indigenous narcotics exists.
The sustainable growth of private prisons and the justice system depends on the bodies police provide for processing.
studies have shown that a vast majority of criminal activity is drug induced.
If they did not bring the drugs in themselves, the drugs would not on your street corner.
Your being played for suckers, while a chemical and biological attack is being launched on your country by your own security!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oszATUJ4IRE&feature=related
Dennis Baker
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Dec 16, 2009 9:38 AM
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Control & regulate the hard drugs. Legalize pot as it is medicine compared to alcohol!
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» RE: The War on Drugs is a total failure that has created far more organized crime & black markets!
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Posted by: liblady2008 on Dec 16, 2009 9:50 AM
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State governments, many of them, are in crisis financial mode, this would change that PDQ.
Same thing with prostitution. We may not like it but the fact is, legal or not, it's always going to happen. Legalize it, license it, tax it.
Our Puritan background has cost us so much over the years. Time to move beyond it
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Posted by: yankee2 on Dec 16, 2009 9:58 AM
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I should be free to smoke a joint, or drop a tab of LSD for that matter, as long as I don't misbehave, i.e commit a real crime against another person. For just using a drug - our society uses millions of drugs, many far more dangerous than these - I should not be considered guilty of any crime at all. If I do misbehave, and violate someone else's rights, whether I am using some drug or not, there are plenty of legitimate laws to address that.
It is a question of freedom. I must reject any law which limits my personal freedom, without a demonstrable, legitimate, overriding need. I have, in years past, used LSD and quite a few other drugs, many times, without any threat or even hazard to any other person, ever. For the most part, observers could not even tell that I was under the influence of a psychadelic drug. How could an act which is virtually undetectible to others be considered an unwarranted imposition on anyone else? What crime did I commit, that is not just an unjustifiable, arbitrary abrogation of my freedom?
I say I did not commit ANY legitimate crime. I have sovereignty over my own body and mind. I have not relinquished it to anybody. It is MY property, to use as I wish. I will NEVER surrender that position.
There ARE many legitimate reasons to use these drugs. Foremost, for me, is the lesson that there are many different realities, as experienced by many different people. That is a lesson I originally learned from LSD. Drug induced realities are not necessarily inferior to those many of us experience every day. In fact, some people's realities are argueably superior to others, while other people's are clearly inferior. Why must I surrender the opportunity to experience other, perhaps much better realities, and learn from them?
A closely related lesson I've learned was from amphetamines, which I have used judiciously in the past. I was feeling very depressed, and had felt that way for a long time. An attempt to use a psychiatrist was a disaster, so I crossed the border, and returned with a small supply of Ritalin. Ritalin let me experience another, more upbeat reality. I learned that my reality was mutable, and that to some degree, I could control it. I learned what joy and happiness felt like, and found that I was able to reproduce those feelings later, without using the drug. Was that not a valuable lesson to learn? Was I so wrong to use that drug, even illegally, to learn a lesson that virtually saved my life?
I insist on my right to alter my own reality, as I deem desirable, and so benefit from the many lessons that prudent drug use can teach.
Who has a right to deny me those benefits? I say that NO ONE does.
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» RE: it's a question of freedom vs tyranny
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Posted by: yankee2 on Dec 16, 2009 10:30 AM
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I strongly advocate the legalization of marijuana and these other classes of currently illegal drugs, but believe the addictive drugs REDUCE our freedom to choose. I would not favor creating a nation of addicts. A nation of truly free Americans, on the other hand, is something I CRAVE.
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Posted by: littlepitcher on Dec 16, 2009 10:59 AM
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Legalize marijuana, OK--it's merely recognition of a non-addictive, quasi-medicinal substance's ubiquity.
Cocaine and heroin are addictive, and should be given to addicts under medical control, preferably along with physical and psychological treatment for addiction and incentives for recovery. Since Big Gov's already importing the stuff for their state-sponsored mafiosi's profiteering, get realistic and do something, anything, to reduce demand and the spread of dependence.
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» but let's keep it simple
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» RE: That old double standard, again
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Posted by: mizobe on Dec 16, 2009 12:17 PM
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You are missed greatly not only by the logical and reasonable citizenry but also with many within the law enforcement community, including a lot of cops here who have seen first-hand how the war on drugs has only served to facilitate and abet violent gangs and their activity.
Norm, you had more support within the rank and file of cops here than you ever knew.
Keep up the fight for reason and sanity and for our youth. Thanks.
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Posted by: RumbleFish on Dec 16, 2009 4:07 PM
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THAT is why drugs should be decriminalized.
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» not decriminalization
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Dec 16, 2009 5:17 PM
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If they do not listen then it is time to make them.
You there across the ocean you lay one hand on one of my children, While i fight this war and poof your whole land is gone' Not by mad men with bomb's No but and invisible force that has you surrounded OK And with one clap of my hand and your land will be gone! Turned to ashes and no more things will ever grow again.
Never.
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Dec 16, 2009 5:58 PM
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1. The moment cannabis is legal, another factor will enter the picture: zealous cannabis activists who will go out like Mormons and Witnesses and legally convert drug (and tobackgo and alcohol) users (a) away from dangerous drugs to an informed cannabis use instead, and/or (b) away from hot-burning overdose serving sizes ($igarette, joint etc.) to 25-mg. one-hitters, e-cigarette or vaporizer, and (c) from highly concentrated pHARMaceuticals to the natural herb format-- the coca leaf as Peruvians use it for example instead of cocaine.
2. Money now spent fighting the heroin trade can be converted to helping Afghan farmers switch from opium to hemp, which they used to raise until the US suppressed that crop in the 70's.
3. Money now spent fighting the cocaine trade can be converted to helping Colombian farmers switch from cocaine to hemp, which they used to raise until the US suppressed that crop in the 80's.
4. Money now spent fighting "meth" can be switched to helping various "lab"-operators switch to grow-houses which the government suppressed by means of heat sensor drones and electric billing spying in the 90's.
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» legalizing marijuana a good first step
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» RE: A vote for cannabis-only legalization
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Posted by: Voletear on Dec 16, 2009 6:04 PM
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Specifically, we should be pushing hard for a relaxation of the shackles which drug treatment wears in this country. We have seen the results of the "Swiss Fix" - Heroin-Assisted Treatment - in many countries now (Switzerland, Netherlands, Germany, Britain, Canada, Denmark, Portugal, and others)and the results are so clear that it is simply murder not to implement this method for the cadre of addicts which does not respond well to methadone or buprenorphine. We have to open things up. We need more options, not less. Addiction doctors need more to work with, not less.
This action alone would cut the cartel's revenue stream from the hard drugs.
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Dec 17, 2009 5:15 AM
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PAIN KILLER THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE
Satan makes everything that my father made look bad just look at gold n silver He want you to think it's You my people but it's not it's the hidden dark monster that corrupts everything that is good.
Saints can be turned into demons by him once he get's a hold of you, Just look at the pope and bush and now Obama everything that is good that we tell him is not heard because his bad people cover his ear's and this evil has even infected him.
There is a presence out there that wants to destroy us all it can turn a beautiful flower into a monster if it wants to It silently attaches to you when you just get out of the shower and you think your clean, Because it has great power's and if we love it' It will destroy whatever it is And the only power we have against it is to No it ideologists will argue and say look you see nothing but just as bones, Are in sugar to make it look white so is this' Thing making you think it is wright.
OBAMA I Hope you read this OK I am a witness of the teal light and I know what this thing is people so' you just point to it and say no
And believe it and it has to'
go
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Posted by: Jdog on Dec 18, 2009 10:56 AM
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I've come to accept his position and the position taken by Norm in this article. Ask any kid how easy it is to get a beer compared to pot, acid, E, or any other drug. Look at the enormous costs associated with enforcing these laws. Consider the lives destroyed on all sides of the drug war.
Yesterday's armed and paranoid bootlegger is today's middle class beer distributor. Same will happen with these other substances once legalization, regulation, and taxation is imposed...And as happened after alcohol prohibition, we will probably see a decrease in addiction and abuse.
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Posted by: SusanForKucinich on Dec 18, 2009 3:42 PM
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I also believe in the importance of legalizing
MEDICINAL Marijuana. It has shown to be very helpful to people with a variety of ailments, such as: Increasing appetite (for AIDS patients, for example); reducing eye pressure from glaucoma; reducing/eliminating symptoms from MS; non-addictive pain killer; and it cured a 7 year-old boy in California from his SEVERE mental illness. I saw a documentary on channel 9 about this. After trying every drug in the Universe to cure the boy who was diagnosed with EVERY mental illness in the book (he was a SCARY kid) finally the authorities said to the mom "you have 30 days to find something to cure him or we will have to take him away". So, she found a Marijuana website and thought, what have I got to lose. She went to a doctor (in California) and he said he considered Marijuana a miracle drug although he could not guarentee it would help her son. She went home, prepared the capsule, gave it to her son and in 30 MINUTES (!) he was a normal 7 year old kid. He said for the first time "I love you mommy" itstead of threatening her with a knife.
PEACE
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Posted by: stevevall on Dec 18, 2009 4:26 PM
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Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Dec 19, 2009 6:56 PM
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Stamper is right. We must legalize all illicit drugs. It is the only way we can grasp the initiative and slow down the drug culture in the schools. With tobacco we have learned that the older a person is when they start the greater the probability they can stop.
All of Stamper's arguments are relevant. Keeping drugs further away from the young is a sufficient reason in and of itself. What are waiting for? Lets just do it.
We should ask this congress to do a national initiative petition law. It would allow us to take on the true "hot potato" political situations ourselves. Again, what are we waiting for? We will never have democracy until we wrest control from the petty tyrants ourselves. If I have this wrong I will apologize.
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Posted by: FourthCubix on Dec 21, 2009 1:18 PM
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The main argument for the opposition of drug reform is the slippery slope. The supposition that if we legalize marijuana then pretty soon, crack cocaine will be sold at school lunches.
One thing at a time.
Off Topic:
It's just like health care. Ok so we are not going to get the sweet deal we wanted with government run insurance etc... but at least there will be health reform passed which clears the way for the really big change in the future. Can't always get everything at once.
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Posted by: samesexmom on Dec 22, 2009 1:10 PM
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I'm a refugee, protected (sort of) in Canada.
It's time to perform a competency examination
on aging policies. Doctors heal, Cops protect.
Prisons destroy. Triage is a French word for
"YES, WE CAN' do a lot better with much less.
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