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10 Signs Vegetarianism Is Catching On
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On Thanksgiving, I spent some time taking stock of my life and the world around me and, as we’re supposed to do over the holiday, giving thanks for all the joys -- little and big -- in my life. One of the larger joys for which I am giving thanks is all of the recent attention that has been lavished on a topic that is near and dear to my heart -- the cruelty and environmental harm involved in raising animals for food.
I struggled to cohesively construct an article about some of the many recent and important developments on this topic, but there is just too much. Instead, I decided on a top ten list (a tip of the hat to David Letterman) -- the 10 most interesting articles on the farmed animal welfare front.
So without further ado:
1. World Bank scientists conclude that eating meat causes more than half of global warming (conservatively).
World Bank agricultural scientists Robert Goodland, who spent 23 years as the Bank’s lead environmental advisor, and Jeff Anhang, a research officer and environmental specialist for the Bank, argue convincingly that more than half of all greenhouse gas emissions are attributable to our desire to eat chicken, pigs, and other farmed animals. That’s right: Add up all the causes of climate change, and you find that eating meat causes more than everything else combined.
Honestly, this was the biggest point for me: How can I possibly take the environment seriously if I’m still participating in what is -- by far -- the biggest contributor to warming?
Which might explain:
2. Prominent Stanford biochemist pledges to focus ALL his energy on promoting veganism.
Most of us have heard of Nobel Peace Prize winner Dr. RK Pachauri from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and his lectures all over the world promoting vegetarianism. Now along comes Dr. Patrick O. Brown who, as reported in (of all places) Forbes, will spend the next 18 months focused on “put[ting] an end to animal farming.” Explains Dr. Brown, “‘There's absolutely no possibility that 50 years from now this system will be operating as it does now… I want to approach this as a solvable problem.’ Solution: ‘Eliminate animal farming on planet Earth.’”
3. Al Gore is taking notice.
Although Gore’s Global Warming Survival Handbook noted that “refusing meat” is the “single most effective thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint” (emphasis in original), Gore had not spoken publically about the issue. Now he has -- repeatedly. For example, on Larry King recently, Gore explained that “the impact of meat-intensive diet is a significant factor” in warming the planet, that “the growing meat intensity of diets around the world is bad for the planet,” and that “the more meals I've substituted with more fruits and vegetables, the better I feel about it…” The truth is becoming less inconvenient, thankfully.
4. Celebrated author of Everything is Illuminated and Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close publishes riveting book based on three-year investigation of factory farming.
Jonathan Safran Foer has been widely hailed as one of the greatest novelists of his generation, was one of Rolling Stone's “People of the Year,” and Esquire's “Best and Brightest” -- and after just two extraordinary works. As Nobel Prize for literature novelist J.M. Coetzee puts it about Foer’s latest work, “The everyday horrors of factory farming are evoked so vividly, and the case against the people who run the system presented so convincingly, that anyone who, after reading Foer's book, continues to consume the industry's products must be without a heart, or impervious to reason, or both.”
In his interview with Mother Jones Magazine (the entire interview is worth reading), Foer points out that Americans “now eat 150 times as much chicken as we did 80 years ago,” and that it “takes between 6 and 26 calories to make one calorie of meat. It is an incredibly inefficient protein because we are cycling through all of these other grains that humans could eat.”
5. Actor Alicia Silverstone and Chef Tal Ronnen on the New York Times bestseller list.
For some weeks now, Chef Tal Ronnen’s Conscious Cook and actress Alicia Silverstone’s Kind Diet have joined Foer and former model agent Rory Freedman (whose book convinced home run slugger Prince Fielder to adopt a vegan diet) on the list with books that make the case for vegetarian eating. You may recall Ronnen from his appearances on Oprah, which caused Oprah to exclaim, “Wow, wow, wow! I never imagined meatless meals could be so satisfying.”
6. Martha Stewart promotes a vegetarian Thanksgiving.
As my friends at Ecorazzi put it, “Martha Stewart has proved once again why she’s a pioneer in the kitchen. Having someone with as much sway as the famous host show people that the big feast doesn’t have to include meat to be successful is huge. Even better, she took the opportunity to educate her audience on factory farming industry -- with help from author Jonathan Safran Foer (of Eating Animals) and filmmaker Robert Kenner (Food, INC.).”
7. Egyptian mummy heart disease in LA Times
I’m not sure it belongs in my top 10 list, but I found it extremely interesting that “CT scans of Egyptian mummies, some as much as 3,500 years old, show evidence of atherosclerosis, or hardening of the arteries, which is normally thought of as a disease caused by modern lifestyles...” What on earth could have caused it? I think I know: “The high-status Egyptians ate a diet high in meat from cattle, ducks and geese, all fatty.” If only the ancient Egyptians had the wisdom of Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn!
8. Honesty at the Turkey Pardoning
First Obama talks about factory farming and animal rights as a candidate. Then he puts in a garden at the White House. Now he’s adding some honesty to the annual turkey pardoning -- talking about the fate of other birds, the fact that it’s a fairly new ceremony, etc.
Might he have celebrated a vegetarian Thanksgiving? The White House isn’t saying, according to Gail Collins of the New York Times in her delightful Thanksgiving Day contemplation of the turkey pardoning. Okay, I’m kidding a bit (could he really get away with having a veggie Thanksgiving, given the power of Agribusiness -- as documented in this sad piece on FoodConsumer.org), as was Collins of course, but the honesty at the event is refreshing, and we do have the first President who understands the harms of factory farming and who is taking global warming seriously.
9. Cargill launches dairy-free cheese!
The largest privately held company in the United States (six times the size of McDonald’s) has just launched “a 100 percent non-dairy cheese analogue for pizza and other prepared food applications” that “replicates the functionality of dairy protein and replaces it fully at an outstanding cost advantage for the manufacturer.” According to Cargill, “its appearance, taste and texture perfectly match those of processed cheese” and it “also offers health advantages as it contains reduced calories (less fat and no saturated fats) and… a unique opportunity for vegans to enjoy a product that has the characteristics and taste of cheese but without any animal-derived ingredients.” It’s also Halal and Kosher.
10. Yet another study is exposing the horrid treatment of workers by the all-powerful meat industry.
A recent six-part piece in the Lincoln Journal-Star documents the horrid conditions endured by slaughterhouse workers. Sadly, nothing has changed since Human Rights Watch released their report on the industry, “Blood, Sweat, and Fear,” six years ago. Then and now, researchers have documented “systematic human rights violations embedded in meat and poultry industry employment.” It’s becoming all too obvious that if we care about worker rights, it makes sense to go vegan.
For information on making the switch to vegetarianism, please check out my previous post, “A Beginner’s Guide to Conscious Eating.”
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Posted by: kedikat on Nov 30, 2009 2:22 AM
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Advertising. Now it pays to advert veggie. Time to tell the sheeple what it means from the market point of view.
Hell, maybe they can find ways to buy up legislation and grind up cows to make them legally labeled as veggie.
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Posted by: maxfrisson on Nov 30, 2009 4:00 AM
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I have seen pleasure ground down by the nation's nannys year after year. Once you get the socialized health care plan and cap and trade all you will have to look forward is bicycles, tofu and a crippling tax burden. I pity you fools, your kids will be Chinese slaves.
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Posted by: Suzon on Nov 30, 2009 4:14 AM
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Even though my four chickens have a very roomy run, they free-range most of the day. Urban foxes have been seen in the area, though very rarely. Were the hens to be killed by a fox, I would certainly regret it but I don't think that I would be remorseful. They would have died very quickly with the first to go suffering the least.
That certainly is a "better" death than a death from a distressing disease or a condition like a prolapse.
Factory farming should be done away with as totally unjustified. Local farms, local food, not diet restriction.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 6:48 AM
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Half the world's population does not receive an adequate amount of food to eat. Ten to twenty million die annually of hunger and its effects. The Institute for Food and Development Policy reports that, "Forty thousand children starve to death on this planet every day," or one child every two seconds.
The livestock population of the United States today consumes enough grain and soybeans to feed over five times the entire human population of the country. We feed these animals over 80% of the corn we grow, and over 95% of the oats. Less than half the harvested agricultural acreage in the United States is used to grow food for people. Most of it is used to grow livestock feed.
Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action, in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, pointed out that 220 million Americans were eating enough food (largely because of the high consumption of grain-fed livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.
The world's cattle alone, not to mention pigs and chickens, consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion people. It takes 16 pounds of grain to produce one pound of beef. According to Department of Agriculture statistics, one acre of land can grow 20,000 pounds of potatoes. That same acre of land, if used to grow cattlefeed, can produce less than 165 pounds of beef.
In his book, The Hungry Planet, Georg Bergstrom points out that protein-starved underdeveloped nations export more protein to wealthy nations than they receive. He calls this "the protein swindle." Ninety percent of the world's fish meal catch, for example, is exported to rich countries. One-third of Africa's peanut crop winds up in the stomachs of European livestock. Half the world's cereal crop is fed to livestock and the United States annually imports one million tons of vegetable protein from Third World nations--just to feed its farm animals.
Bergstrom writes: "Sometimes one wonders how many Americans and Western Europeans have grasped the fact that quite a few of their beef steaks, quarts of milk, dozens of eggs, and hundreds of broilers are the result, not of their agriculture, but of the approximately two million metric tons of protein, mostly of high quality, which astute Western businessmen channel away from the needy and hungry."
Jeremy Rifkin, author of a dozen influential books and President of the Foundation on Economic Trends, writes in his 1992 bestseller Beyond Beef:
"Cattle and other livestock are devouring much of the grain produced on the planet. It need be emphasized that this is a new phenomenon, unlike anything ever experienced before.
"Contrary to popular belief, the poor are getting poorer each year...Increased poverty has meant increased malnutrition. On the African continent, nearly one in every four human beings is malnourished. In Latin America, nearly one out of every seven people goes to bed hungry each night. In Asia and the Pacific, 28 percent of the people border on starvation, experiencing the gnawing pain of a perpetual hunger."
"In the Near East, one in ten people is underfed. Chronic hunger now affects upwards of 1.3 billion people, according to the world Health Organization--a statistic all the more striking in a world where one third of all the grain produced is being fed to cattle and other livestock. Never before in human history has such a large percentage of our species--nearly 25 percent--been malnourished.
"The transition of world agriculture from food grain to feed grains represents an...evil whose consequences may be far greater and longer lasting than any past examples of violence inflicted by men against their fellow human beings."
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.."Nobel Prize for literature novelist J.M. Coetzee puts it about Foer’s latest work, “The everyday horrors of factory farming are evoked so vividly, and the case against the people who run the system presented so convincingly, that anyone who, after reading Foer's book, continues to consume the industry's products must be without a heart, or impervious to reason, or both.”
Informative and up-to-date article by Kathy Freston provides more than enough reasons to go vegan.
To deny the horrors of factory farming is to deny the horrors of the holocaust.
One has to be dead inside to eat dead flesh, the result of pain and suffering at the hand of humans.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 6:55 AM
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Buy local, shrink the distance food travels, save the planet. The locavore movement has captured a lot of fans. To their credit, they are highlighting the problems with industrialized food. But a lot of them are making a big mistake. By focusing on transportation, they overlook other energy hogging factors in food production.
Take lamb. A 2006 academic study (funded by the New Zealand government) discovered that it made more environmental sense for a Londoner to buy lamb shipped from New Zealand than to buy lamb raised in the U.K. This finding is counterintuitive-if you're only counting food miles. But New Zealand lamb is raised on pastures with a small carbon footprint, whereas most English lamb is produced under intensive factory-like conditions with a big carbon footprint. This disparity overwhelms domestic lamb's advantage in transportation energy.
New Zealand lamb is not exceptional. Take a close look at water usage, fertilizer types, processing methods and packaging techniques and you discover that factors other than shipping far outweigh the energy it takes to transport food. One analysis, by Rich Pirog of the Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture, showed that transportation accounts for only 11% of food's carbon footprint. A fourth of the energy required to produce food is expended in the consumer's kitchen. Still more energy is consumed per meal in a restaurant, since restaurants throw away most of their leftovers.
Locavores argue buying local food supports an area's farmers and, in turn, strengthens the community. Fair enough. Left unacknowledged, however, is the fact that it also hurts farmers in other parts of the world. The U.K. buys most of its green beans from Kenya. While it's true that the beans almost always arrive in airplanes--the form of transportation that consumes the most energy--it's also true that a campaign to shame English consumers with small airplane stickers affixed to flown-in produce threatens the livelihood of 1.5 million sub-Saharan farmers.
Another chink in the locavores' armor involves the way food miles are calculated. To choose a locally grown apple over an apple trucked in from across the country might seem easy. But this decision ignores economies of scale. To take an extreme example, a shipper sending a truck with 2,000 apples over 2,000 miles would consume the same amount of fuel per apple as a local farmer who takes a pickup 50 miles to sell 50 apples at his stall at the green market. The critical measure here is not food miles but apples per gallon.
The one big problem with thinking beyond food miles is that it's hard to get the information you need. Ethically concerned consumers know very little about processing practices, water availability, packaging waste and fertilizer application. This is an opportunity for watchdog groups. They should make life-cycle carbon counts available to shoppers.
Until our food system becomes more transparent, there is one thing you can do to shrink the carbon footprint of your dinner: Take the meat off your plate. No matter how you slice it, it takes more energy to bring meat, as opposed to plants, to the table. It takes 6 pounds of grain to make a pound of chicken and 10 to 16 pounds to make a pound of beef. That difference translates into big differences in inputs. It requires 2,400 liters of water to make a burger and only 13 liters to grow a tomato. A majority of the water in the American West goes toward the production of pigs, chickens and cattle.
The average American eats 273 pounds of meat a year. Give up red meat once a week and you'll save as much energy as if the only food miles in your diet were the distance to the nearest truck farmer.
If you want to make a statement, ride your bike to the farmer's market.If you want to reduce greenhouse gases, become a vegetarian.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Nov 30, 2009 7:01 AM
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Yes, we KNOW that there are parts of the world where there in not sufficient food however, we could list a litany of country names where the citizens are NORMAL omnivores.
The vegans are just like the self doubting religiomatic wafer munching pamphleteering, child abusing pushy "shove it down your throat" interlopers.
They are the ones who are attempting to shove it at others.
I'm too busy living my own life to have to go out to knock on doors and, while sticking my nose in the air and/or into someone else's business, imperiously attempt to force my ways on them.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 7:17 AM
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Flesh-eating animals lap water with their tongue, whereas vegetarian animals imbibe liquids by a suction process. Humans are classified as primates and are thus frugivores possessing a set of completely herbivorous teeth. Proponents of the theory that humans should be classified as omnivores note that human beings do, in fact, possess a modified form of canine teeth. However, these so-called "canine teeth" are much more prominent in animals that traditionally never eat flesh, such as apes, camels, and the male musk deer.
It must also be noted that the shape, length and hardness of these so-called "canine teeth" can hardly be compared to those of true carnivorous animals. A principle factor in determining the hardness of teeth is the phosphate of magnesia content. Human teeth usually contain 1.5 percent phosphate of magnesia, whereas the teeth of carnivores are composed of nearly 5 percent phosphate of magnesia. It is for this reason they are able to break through the bones of their prey, and reach the nutritious marrow.
Zoologist Desmond Morris makes a case for vegetarianism in his 1967 book, The Naked Ape: "It could be argued that, since our primate ancestors had to make do without a major meat component in their diets we should be able to do the same. We were driven to become flesh eaters only by environmental circumstances, and now that we have the environment under control, with elaborately cultivated crops at our disposal, we might be expected to return to our ancient feeding patterns."
In The Human Story, edited by Marie-Louise Makris (1985), we read: "...recent studies of their teeth reveal that the Australopithecines did not eat meat as a regular part of their diet, and were mainly peaceful vegetarians, rather like chimps or gorillas. The popular image of the murderous ape is now as extinct as the Australopithecines themselves."
Dr. Gordon Latto notes that carnivorous and omnivorous animals can only move their jaws up and down, and that omnivores "have a blunt tooth, a sharp tooth, a blunt tooth, a sharp tooth--showing that they were destined to deal both with flesh foods from the animal kingdom and foods from the vegetable kingdom...
"Carnivorous mammals and omnivorous mammals cannot perspire except at the extremity of the limbs and the tip of the nose; man perspires all over the body. Finally, our instincts; the carnivorous mammal (which first of all has claws and canine teeth) is capable of tearing flesh asunder, whereas man only partakes of flesh foods after they have been camouflaged by cooking and by condiments.
"Man instinctively is not carnivorous," explains Dr. Latto. "...he takes the flesh food after somebody else has killed it, and after it has been cooked and camouflaged with certain condiments. Whereas to pick an apple off a tree or eat some grain or a carrot is a natural thing to do; people enjoy doing it; they don't feel disturbed by it. But to see these animals being slaughtered does affect people; it offends them. Even the toughest of people are affected by the sights in the slaughterhouse.
"I remember taking some medical students into a slaughterhouse. They were about as hardened people as you could meet. After seeing the animals slaughtered that day in the slaughterhouse, not one of them could eat the meat that evening."
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 7:17 AM
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"The gorge of a cat, for instance, will rise at the smell of a mouse or a piece of raw flesh, but not at the aroma of fruit. If a man can take delight in pouncing upon a bird, tear its still living body apart with his teeth, sucking the warm blood, one might infer that Nature had provided him with a carnivorous instinct, but the very thought of doing such a thing makes him shudder. On the other hand, a bunch of luscious grapes makes his mouth water, and even in the absence of hunger, he will eat fruit to gratify taste."
As far back as 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that: "A vegetarian diet can prevent 97% of our coronary occlusions." More recently, William S. Collens and Gerald B. Dobkens concluded: "Examination of the dental structure of modern man reveals that he possesses all the features of a strictly herbivorous animal. While designed to subsist on vegetarian foods, he has perverted his dietary habits to accept food of the carnivore. It is postulated that man cannot handle carnivorous foods like the carnivore. Herein may lie the basis for the high incidence of arteriosclerotic disease."
Keith Akers in A Vegetarian Sourcebook (1983), responds to the argument that killing animals for food is natural:
"This is quite an admirable argument. It explains practically everything; why we do not eat each other, except under conditions of unusual stress; why we may kill certain other animals (they are, in the order of nature, food for us); even why we should be kind to pets and try to help miscellaneous wildlife (they are not naturally our food). There are some problems with the idea that an order of nature determines which species are food for us, but an examination of human history indicates the broad outlines of just such an order, though inhibitions against eating certain species may vary from culture to culture.
"The main problem with this argument is that it does not justify the practice of meat-eating or animal husbandry as we know it today; it justifies hunting. The distinction between hunting and animal husbandry probably seems rather fine to the man in the street, or even to your typical rule-utilitarian moral philosopher. The distinction, however, is obvious to an ecologist. If one defends killing on the grounds that it occurs in nature, then one is defending the practice as it occurs in nature.
"When one species of animal preys on another in nature, it only preys on a very small proportion of the total species population. Obviously, the predator species relies on its prey for its continued survival. Therefore, to wipe the prey species out through overhunting would be fatal. In practice, members of such predator species rely on such strategies as territoriality to restrict overhunting and to insure the continued existence of its food supply.
"Moreover, only the weakest members of the prey species are the predator's victims: the feeble, the sick, the lame, or the young accidentally separated from the fold. The life of the typical zebra is usually placid, even in lion country; this kind of violence is the exception in nature, not the rule.
"As it exists in the wild, hunting is the preying upon isolated members of an animal herd. Animal husbandry is the nearly complete annihilation of an animal herd. In nature, this kind of slaughter does not exist. The philosopher is free to argue that there is no moral difference between hunting and slaughter, but he cannot invoke nature as a defense of this idea.
"Why are hunters, not butchers, most frequently taken to task by the larger community for their killing of animals?...If any form of meat-eating is justified, it would be meat from a hunted animal."
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 7:18 AM
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"Killing an animal is in itself a troubling act. It has been said that if we had to kill our own meat we would all be vegetarians. There may be exceptions to that general rule, but it is true that most people prefer not to inquire into the killing of the animals they eat.
"Very few people ever visit a slaughterhouse; and films of slaughterhouse operations are rarely shown on television...Yet those who, by their purchases, require animals to be killed have no right to be shielded from this or any other aspect of the production of the meat they buy.
"If it is distasteful for humans to think about, what can it be like for the animals to experience it?"
Peter Singer concludes in Animal Liberation that "by ceasing to rear and kill animals for food, we can make extra food available for humans that, properly distributed, it would eliminate starvation and malnutrition from this planet. Animal Liberation is Human Liberation, too."
Dr. Milton Mills' "The Comparative Anatomy of Eating,"
www.vegsource.com/veg_faq/comparative.htm
and the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
www.pcrm.org ,
argue persuasively that the optimal diet for humanity is a vegan diet. However, even if humans really are omnivores and not frugivores, the diet of natural omnivores is mostly (80 percent) plant food.
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Also important is how the meat was raised and what it was fed--does it have the right Omega-3/omega-6 ratio?
Carbon dioxide is not our enemy. It is good for plants and we need more of it for healthy plants so they can produce the oxygen that we need...which is declining as a percentage of the atmosphere at alarming rates. It does not cause global warming--it does cause the Establishment media and its 'alternative' fronts to completely ignore CLIMATE-GATE and the concerted effort to brush this under the rug so as to maintain the GLOBAL WARMING LIE to create the necessary hysteria to get Cap and Trade and global taxes passed.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/search-engines- censoring-climategate.html
I don't think Al Gore has missed many meals and, its rather ironic that this clown was the second generation step and fetch for Armand Hammer whose Occidental Petroleum at one time controlled Iowa Beef Processors one of the biggest packers in the world. As with his acres of heated and cooled housing, with Gore and the other pseudo-Progressives, its "Do as I say, not as I do."
If Cargill is making vegetarian cheese-like product, you can bet it will be made out of GMO soy and be far worse for you than any real cheese. Its like the vegetable oil and other horrors out of Big Agri that has caused so much heart disease and other health problems...the trendy will jump on it as it will inevitably be supported by junk science and many will live to regret it, just like those who bought into the notion that highly processed at high heat oils treated with chemicals were somehow more nutritious than good old cococut and palm oil, lard, nut and seed oils and olive oil.
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A contermporary Benedictine monk, Brother David Steindl-Rast, wrote in Harmony: Voices for a Just Future, a peace and justice periodical on the religious Left, in 1995, that "...the survival of our planet depends on our sense of belonging--to all other humans, to dolphins caught in dragnets, to pigs and chickens and calves raised in animal concentration camps, to redwoods and rainforests, to kelp beds in our oceans, and to the ozone layer."
In a sermon preached in York Minster, September 28, 1986, John Austin Baker, the Bishop of Salisbury, England, attacked factory farming; choosing as his example, the treatment of chickens.
"Is there any credit balance for the battery hen, denied almost all natural functioning, all normal environment, lapsing steadily into deformity and disease, for the whole of her existence? he asked. "It is in the battery shed and the broiler house, not in the wild, that we find the true parallel to Auschwitz. Auschwitz is a purely human invention."
On another occasion, Bishop Baker taught: "By far the most important duty of all Christians in the cause of animal welfare is to cultivate this capacity to see; to see things with the heart of God, and so to suffer with other creatures."
On World Prayer Day for Animals, October 4, 1986, Bishop Baker preached against indifference to animal pain and lauded the animal welfare movement:
"To shut your mind, heart, imagination to the sufferings of others is to begin to slowly but inexorably to die. It is to cease by inches from being human, to become in the end capable of nothing generous or unselfish--or sometimes capable of anything, however terrible. You in the animal welfare movement are among those who may yet save our society from becoming spiritually deaf, blind and dead, and so from the doom that will justly follow."
According to Bishop Baker: "...Rights, whether animal or human, have only one sure foundation: that God loves us all and rejoices in us all. We humans are called to share with God in fulfilling the work of love towards all creatures...the true glory of the strong is to give themselves for the cherishing of the weak."
The realization that meat is an unnecessary luxury, resulting in inequities in the world's food supply, has prompted religious leaders in different denominations to call on their members to abstain from meat.
Paul Moore, Jr., the Episcopal bishop of the Diocese of New York, made such an appeal in a November 1974 pastoral letter, calling for the observance of "meatless Wednedays." A similar appeal had been issued earlier by Roman Catholic Cardinal Cooke of New York. The Reverend Eugene Carson Blake, former head of the World Council of Churches, and founder of Bread for the World, has encouraged everyone in his anti-hunger organization to abstain from eating meat on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action pointed out in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, that 220 million Americans were consuming enough grain (largely because of the high consumption of grain fed to livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.
Father Thomas Berry, a Catholic priest, author, and founder of the Riverdale Center for Religious Research in New York, wrote in 1987 that "Vegetarianism is a way of life that we should all move toward for economic survival, physical well-being, and spiritual integrity."
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The funny thing was, when I announced a vegan thanksgiving, including the stuffed hubbard squash...immediately my husband (a brit, never liked Thanksgiving ritual much before) offered to do a brined, organic, free-range local turkey stuffed only with huge handfuls of rosemary from the bush outside.
We both did our thing, and the vegans ate the stuffed squash and the steamed greens and the mustard green salad. The vegetarians had some nice cheese as well, and the carnivores had some turkey and gravy.
The presentation of the enormous stuffed hubbard squash (complete with "drumsticks" of stuffed butternut squash) almost upstaged the turkey, and so made the vegans and vegetarians no longer the "no turkey for you!" kids, but rather the "wow! this is delicious!" kids.
A good time was had by all, and the abundance of vegetables meant we all felt lighter and happier the next day, in any case -- and far less turkey consumed overall.
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Rich Murray 2009.11.30
methanol (11% of aspartame), made by body into formaldehyde
in many vulnerable tissues, causes modern diseases of civilization,
summary of a century of research, Woodrow C Monte PhD,
Medical Hypotheses journal: Rich Murray 2009.11.15
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Sunday, November 15, 2009
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older women drinking over 2 aspartame beverages daily
had 30% decline kidney function in 11 years,
Nurses Health Study, Julie Lin, Gary C Curhan,
Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston:
Rich Murray 2009.11.02
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Monday, November 2, 2009
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formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines, the first case series,
Sharon E Jacob-Soo, Sarah A Stechschulte, UCSD,
Dermatitis 2008 May: Rich Murray 2008.07.18
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Dermatitis. 2008; 19(3): E10-E11.
2008 American Contact Dermatitis Society
Formaldehyde, Aspartame, and Migraines:
A Possible Connection
Sharon E. Jacob; Sarah Stechschulte
Abstract
Aspartame is a widely used artificial sweetener
that has been linked to pediatric and adolescent
migraines.
Upon ingestion, aspartame is broken, converted,
and oxidized intoformaldehyde in various tissues.
We present the first case series
of aspartame-associated migraines
related to clinically relevant positive reactions
to formaldehyde on patch testing.
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you.just cool.BE FREE
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Remember, it's Electricity-Free Tuesday. But only for those who already use no electricity on Tuesdays. The whole point is not to examine your own life, but to obsess over the corrections you need to impose upon others (so that you don't have to examine and clean up your own).
I still think the biggest cause of mass depression in the US would either be all of us becoming vegetarians, or atheists, or Green Party members. Because from a distance, the point doesn't seem at ALL to be meat, or God, or who you vote for. If we all followed you, or converted to atheism, or voted third, the greatest emptiness would ensue in the minds of the high priests. And another category for focusing attention and one's efforts on others instead of oneself would have to start, oh, within 6 months for sure.
Really, there's nothing that needs work in your own life, Kathy? Really, I'M more worthy of your efforts? Your house is clean? Your body is buff? You've read all the books that are on your must-read list? You volunteer, and visit, and keep up with important friends? No one who knows you thinks you have any personal arenas that need work? This would be remarkable in the extreme.
To paraphrase a comment on atheism, the day I let you walk into my living room and rearrange it the way you like it is the day I'll let you decide my diet. If you can pick the color my car is and what music I listen to, I guess you can pick what I eat. Should I go back to school? Move? Should I have people over for Christmas or spent it with just the 3 of us? It does seem as though writing an article on what color sweater I should wear to work today makes as much sense as thinking you know more than I do about what I should and should not eat. However, another underlying false and lousy premise is that WE have never bothered to check out diet information, and are therefore ignorant enough to need corrected from outside.
I, however, became firmly against veggieism when my chiropractor gave me some B12, telling me it was made from meat, as B12 exists in no plants. His wife is a vegetarian, by the way. I spent 2 or 3 days googling this, as I'd never heard it before. Anyone wanting to do anything as drastic and important as CHANGING ONE'S DIET should certainly spend, oh, 6 hours researching it, gathering information from all sides. why not? Just make sure you read all sides. You won't end up a vegetarian, especially if you're a woman of childbearing years and check THAT out. Hint: iron.
Googling "former vegetarians" is interesting. As is "flexitarians", defined as "vegetarians who eat meat". Lots and lots of flexitarians out there, from years of observation.
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I love vegetables(if they are not overcooked) and my wife and I garden (mainly veg)but I also love fish and meat.
DOWN WITH FANATICAL NAZI VEGS
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If there is some anti-meat wave washing over our world, I don't see any signs of it.
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When Martha Stewart hosts a Vegetarian Thanksgiving show, it is a sign that people want to eat healthier, and more humanely.
Unfortunately the U.S. nazi-regime government is fighting the people's wishes with all of their power and money.
We will overcome those negative powers because Americans are intelligent, kind and aware of the horrors inflicted on animals in nazi-run factory farms.
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/09/
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Here is what one org has to say on it:
Friends of Animals, an international advocacy organization founded in 1957, is urging President Obama and other world leaders meeting in Copenhagen next week to consider all causes of global warming. This includes animal agriculture and the consumption of animal flesh, milk and eggs.
“Piece by piece, our planet and all of its life is being disrupted and destroyed due to our raising of animals whom we intend to kill and consume” said Lee Hall, Legal Director for Friends of Animals. “To take the environment seriously is to stop using more of it than we need, and that’s what all animal agribusiness does.”
Last month, the Worldwatch Institute released a groundbreaking report, Livestock and Climate Change, which revealed that 51 percent of the of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions are directly linked to dairy and meat production. The emissions involved include clearing land to graze animals and grow feed, transporting animals and animal products, and even animal respiration.
Animal agriculture also contributes a whopping 80 percent of all methane gas emissions. Even small family-owned farms contribute to climate change — an organic dairy or chicken farm can produce more greenhouse gases than an industrial factory. The problem is so significant that the British government is asking its citizens to reduce their meat and dairy consumption.
“Not only does animal agriculture mean the killing of countless farm animals, it also means the loss of habitat for many free-living animals whose homes are destroyed in order to clear land,” added Hall. “The unnatural rate of extinctions of free-living animals is a tragedy for us as well; it poses the greatest threat of all to continued human life.”
The deteriorating climate is directly caused by our own actions, including what we eat. Each year, billions of animals are slaughtered for our consumption. If our leaders ignore animal agriculture as a significant contributing factor to climate change, then we are unlikely to meet any goals set in Copenhagen to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and stop the impending climate crisis.
FoA encourages all those concerned about climate change to adopt a vegan diet. Veganism, a plant-based diet, is rooted in compassion and respect for all living beings and the environment we depend on. By going vegan, Americans can reduce our CO2 output by 1.5 tons per year and make even greater gains in reducing methane and other emissions.
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But special care must be taken when serving kids and teens a vegetarian diet, especially if it doesn't include dairy and egg products. And as with any diet, you'll need to understand that the nutritional needs of kids change as they grow.
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Advertising. Now it pays to advert veggie. Time to tell the sheeple what it means from the market point of view.
Hell, maybe they can find ways to buy up legislation and grind up cows to make them legally labeled as veggie.
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I have seen pleasure ground down by the nation's nannys year after year. Once you get the socialized health care plan and cap and trade all you will have to look forward is bicycles, tofu and a crippling tax burden. I pity you fools, your kids will be Chinese slaves.
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Even though my four chickens have a very roomy run, they free-range most of the day. Urban foxes have been seen in the area, though very rarely. Were the hens to be killed by a fox, I would certainly regret it but I don't think that I would be remorseful. They would have died very quickly with the first to go suffering the least.
That certainly is a "better" death than a death from a distressing disease or a condition like a prolapse.
Factory farming should be done away with as totally unjustified. Local farms, local food, not diet restriction.
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» EXCELLENT POINT SAYWARD2, FLESH EATERS FEEL GUILTY BECAUSE THEY ARE
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 6:48 AM
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Half the world's population does not receive an adequate amount of food to eat. Ten to twenty million die annually of hunger and its effects. The Institute for Food and Development Policy reports that, "Forty thousand children starve to death on this planet every day," or one child every two seconds.
The livestock population of the United States today consumes enough grain and soybeans to feed over five times the entire human population of the country. We feed these animals over 80% of the corn we grow, and over 95% of the oats. Less than half the harvested agricultural acreage in the United States is used to grow food for people. Most of it is used to grow livestock feed.
Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action, in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, pointed out that 220 million Americans were eating enough food (largely because of the high consumption of grain-fed livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.
The world's cattle alone, not to mention pigs and chickens, consume a quantity of food equal to the caloric needs of 8.7 billion people. It takes 16 pounds of grain to produce one pound of beef. According to Department of Agriculture statistics, one acre of land can grow 20,000 pounds of potatoes. That same acre of land, if used to grow cattlefeed, can produce less than 165 pounds of beef.
In his book, The Hungry Planet, Georg Bergstrom points out that protein-starved underdeveloped nations export more protein to wealthy nations than they receive. He calls this "the protein swindle." Ninety percent of the world's fish meal catch, for example, is exported to rich countries. One-third of Africa's peanut crop winds up in the stomachs of European livestock. Half the world's cereal crop is fed to livestock and the United States annually imports one million tons of vegetable protein from Third World nations--just to feed its farm animals.
Bergstrom writes: "Sometimes one wonders how many Americans and Western Europeans have grasped the fact that quite a few of their beef steaks, quarts of milk, dozens of eggs, and hundreds of broilers are the result, not of their agriculture, but of the approximately two million metric tons of protein, mostly of high quality, which astute Western businessmen channel away from the needy and hungry."
Jeremy Rifkin, author of a dozen influential books and President of the Foundation on Economic Trends, writes in his 1992 bestseller Beyond Beef:
"Cattle and other livestock are devouring much of the grain produced on the planet. It need be emphasized that this is a new phenomenon, unlike anything ever experienced before.
"Contrary to popular belief, the poor are getting poorer each year...Increased poverty has meant increased malnutrition. On the African continent, nearly one in every four human beings is malnourished. In Latin America, nearly one out of every seven people goes to bed hungry each night. In Asia and the Pacific, 28 percent of the people border on starvation, experiencing the gnawing pain of a perpetual hunger."
"In the Near East, one in ten people is underfed. Chronic hunger now affects upwards of 1.3 billion people, according to the world Health Organization--a statistic all the more striking in a world where one third of all the grain produced is being fed to cattle and other livestock. Never before in human history has such a large percentage of our species--nearly 25 percent--been malnourished.
"The transition of world agriculture from food grain to feed grains represents an...evil whose consequences may be far greater and longer lasting than any past examples of violence inflicted by men against their fellow human beings."
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.."Nobel Prize for literature novelist J.M. Coetzee puts it about Foer’s latest work, “The everyday horrors of factory farming are evoked so vividly, and the case against the people who run the system presented so convincingly, that anyone who, after reading Foer's book, continues to consume the industry's products must be without a heart, or impervious to reason, or both.”
Informative and up-to-date article by Kathy Freston provides more than enough reasons to go vegan.
To deny the horrors of factory farming is to deny the horrors of the holocaust.
One has to be dead inside to eat dead flesh, the result of pain and suffering at the hand of humans.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 6:55 AM
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Buy local, shrink the distance food travels, save the planet. The locavore movement has captured a lot of fans. To their credit, they are highlighting the problems with industrialized food. But a lot of them are making a big mistake. By focusing on transportation, they overlook other energy hogging factors in food production.
Take lamb. A 2006 academic study (funded by the New Zealand government) discovered that it made more environmental sense for a Londoner to buy lamb shipped from New Zealand than to buy lamb raised in the U.K. This finding is counterintuitive-if you're only counting food miles. But New Zealand lamb is raised on pastures with a small carbon footprint, whereas most English lamb is produced under intensive factory-like conditions with a big carbon footprint. This disparity overwhelms domestic lamb's advantage in transportation energy.
New Zealand lamb is not exceptional. Take a close look at water usage, fertilizer types, processing methods and packaging techniques and you discover that factors other than shipping far outweigh the energy it takes to transport food. One analysis, by Rich Pirog of the Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture, showed that transportation accounts for only 11% of food's carbon footprint. A fourth of the energy required to produce food is expended in the consumer's kitchen. Still more energy is consumed per meal in a restaurant, since restaurants throw away most of their leftovers.
Locavores argue buying local food supports an area's farmers and, in turn, strengthens the community. Fair enough. Left unacknowledged, however, is the fact that it also hurts farmers in other parts of the world. The U.K. buys most of its green beans from Kenya. While it's true that the beans almost always arrive in airplanes--the form of transportation that consumes the most energy--it's also true that a campaign to shame English consumers with small airplane stickers affixed to flown-in produce threatens the livelihood of 1.5 million sub-Saharan farmers.
Another chink in the locavores' armor involves the way food miles are calculated. To choose a locally grown apple over an apple trucked in from across the country might seem easy. But this decision ignores economies of scale. To take an extreme example, a shipper sending a truck with 2,000 apples over 2,000 miles would consume the same amount of fuel per apple as a local farmer who takes a pickup 50 miles to sell 50 apples at his stall at the green market. The critical measure here is not food miles but apples per gallon.
The one big problem with thinking beyond food miles is that it's hard to get the information you need. Ethically concerned consumers know very little about processing practices, water availability, packaging waste and fertilizer application. This is an opportunity for watchdog groups. They should make life-cycle carbon counts available to shoppers.
Until our food system becomes more transparent, there is one thing you can do to shrink the carbon footprint of your dinner: Take the meat off your plate. No matter how you slice it, it takes more energy to bring meat, as opposed to plants, to the table. It takes 6 pounds of grain to make a pound of chicken and 10 to 16 pounds to make a pound of beef. That difference translates into big differences in inputs. It requires 2,400 liters of water to make a burger and only 13 liters to grow a tomato. A majority of the water in the American West goes toward the production of pigs, chickens and cattle.
The average American eats 273 pounds of meat a year. Give up red meat once a week and you'll save as much energy as if the only food miles in your diet were the distance to the nearest truck farmer.
If you want to make a statement, ride your bike to the farmer's market.If you want to reduce greenhouse gases, become a vegetarian.
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Yes, we KNOW that there are parts of the world where there in not sufficient food however, we could list a litany of country names where the citizens are NORMAL omnivores.
The vegans are just like the self doubting religiomatic wafer munching pamphleteering, child abusing pushy "shove it down your throat" interlopers.
They are the ones who are attempting to shove it at others.
I'm too busy living my own life to have to go out to knock on doors and, while sticking my nose in the air and/or into someone else's business, imperiously attempt to force my ways on them.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 30, 2009 7:17 AM
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Flesh-eating animals lap water with their tongue, whereas vegetarian animals imbibe liquids by a suction process. Humans are classified as primates and are thus frugivores possessing a set of completely herbivorous teeth. Proponents of the theory that humans should be classified as omnivores note that human beings do, in fact, possess a modified form of canine teeth. However, these so-called "canine teeth" are much more prominent in animals that traditionally never eat flesh, such as apes, camels, and the male musk deer.
It must also be noted that the shape, length and hardness of these so-called "canine teeth" can hardly be compared to those of true carnivorous animals. A principle factor in determining the hardness of teeth is the phosphate of magnesia content. Human teeth usually contain 1.5 percent phosphate of magnesia, whereas the teeth of carnivores are composed of nearly 5 percent phosphate of magnesia. It is for this reason they are able to break through the bones of their prey, and reach the nutritious marrow.
Zoologist Desmond Morris makes a case for vegetarianism in his 1967 book, The Naked Ape: "It could be argued that, since our primate ancestors had to make do without a major meat component in their diets we should be able to do the same. We were driven to become flesh eaters only by environmental circumstances, and now that we have the environment under control, with elaborately cultivated crops at our disposal, we might be expected to return to our ancient feeding patterns."
In The Human Story, edited by Marie-Louise Makris (1985), we read: "...recent studies of their teeth reveal that the Australopithecines did not eat meat as a regular part of their diet, and were mainly peaceful vegetarians, rather like chimps or gorillas. The popular image of the murderous ape is now as extinct as the Australopithecines themselves."
Dr. Gordon Latto notes that carnivorous and omnivorous animals can only move their jaws up and down, and that omnivores "have a blunt tooth, a sharp tooth, a blunt tooth, a sharp tooth--showing that they were destined to deal both with flesh foods from the animal kingdom and foods from the vegetable kingdom...
"Carnivorous mammals and omnivorous mammals cannot perspire except at the extremity of the limbs and the tip of the nose; man perspires all over the body. Finally, our instincts; the carnivorous mammal (which first of all has claws and canine teeth) is capable of tearing flesh asunder, whereas man only partakes of flesh foods after they have been camouflaged by cooking and by condiments.
"Man instinctively is not carnivorous," explains Dr. Latto. "...he takes the flesh food after somebody else has killed it, and after it has been cooked and camouflaged with certain condiments. Whereas to pick an apple off a tree or eat some grain or a carrot is a natural thing to do; people enjoy doing it; they don't feel disturbed by it. But to see these animals being slaughtered does affect people; it offends them. Even the toughest of people are affected by the sights in the slaughterhouse.
"I remember taking some medical students into a slaughterhouse. They were about as hardened people as you could meet. After seeing the animals slaughtered that day in the slaughterhouse, not one of them could eat the meat that evening."
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"The gorge of a cat, for instance, will rise at the smell of a mouse or a piece of raw flesh, but not at the aroma of fruit. If a man can take delight in pouncing upon a bird, tear its still living body apart with his teeth, sucking the warm blood, one might infer that Nature had provided him with a carnivorous instinct, but the very thought of doing such a thing makes him shudder. On the other hand, a bunch of luscious grapes makes his mouth water, and even in the absence of hunger, he will eat fruit to gratify taste."
As far back as 1961, the Journal of the American Medical Association reported that: "A vegetarian diet can prevent 97% of our coronary occlusions." More recently, William S. Collens and Gerald B. Dobkens concluded: "Examination of the dental structure of modern man reveals that he possesses all the features of a strictly herbivorous animal. While designed to subsist on vegetarian foods, he has perverted his dietary habits to accept food of the carnivore. It is postulated that man cannot handle carnivorous foods like the carnivore. Herein may lie the basis for the high incidence of arteriosclerotic disease."
Keith Akers in A Vegetarian Sourcebook (1983), responds to the argument that killing animals for food is natural:
"This is quite an admirable argument. It explains practically everything; why we do not eat each other, except under conditions of unusual stress; why we may kill certain other animals (they are, in the order of nature, food for us); even why we should be kind to pets and try to help miscellaneous wildlife (they are not naturally our food). There are some problems with the idea that an order of nature determines which species are food for us, but an examination of human history indicates the broad outlines of just such an order, though inhibitions against eating certain species may vary from culture to culture.
"The main problem with this argument is that it does not justify the practice of meat-eating or animal husbandry as we know it today; it justifies hunting. The distinction between hunting and animal husbandry probably seems rather fine to the man in the street, or even to your typical rule-utilitarian moral philosopher. The distinction, however, is obvious to an ecologist. If one defends killing on the grounds that it occurs in nature, then one is defending the practice as it occurs in nature.
"When one species of animal preys on another in nature, it only preys on a very small proportion of the total species population. Obviously, the predator species relies on its prey for its continued survival. Therefore, to wipe the prey species out through overhunting would be fatal. In practice, members of such predator species rely on such strategies as territoriality to restrict overhunting and to insure the continued existence of its food supply.
"Moreover, only the weakest members of the prey species are the predator's victims: the feeble, the sick, the lame, or the young accidentally separated from the fold. The life of the typical zebra is usually placid, even in lion country; this kind of violence is the exception in nature, not the rule.
"As it exists in the wild, hunting is the preying upon isolated members of an animal herd. Animal husbandry is the nearly complete annihilation of an animal herd. In nature, this kind of slaughter does not exist. The philosopher is free to argue that there is no moral difference between hunting and slaughter, but he cannot invoke nature as a defense of this idea.
"Why are hunters, not butchers, most frequently taken to task by the larger community for their killing of animals?...If any form of meat-eating is justified, it would be meat from a hunted animal."
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"Killing an animal is in itself a troubling act. It has been said that if we had to kill our own meat we would all be vegetarians. There may be exceptions to that general rule, but it is true that most people prefer not to inquire into the killing of the animals they eat.
"Very few people ever visit a slaughterhouse; and films of slaughterhouse operations are rarely shown on television...Yet those who, by their purchases, require animals to be killed have no right to be shielded from this or any other aspect of the production of the meat they buy.
"If it is distasteful for humans to think about, what can it be like for the animals to experience it?"
Peter Singer concludes in Animal Liberation that "by ceasing to rear and kill animals for food, we can make extra food available for humans that, properly distributed, it would eliminate starvation and malnutrition from this planet. Animal Liberation is Human Liberation, too."
Dr. Milton Mills' "The Comparative Anatomy of Eating,"
www.vegsource.com/veg_faq/comparative.htm
and the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
www.pcrm.org ,
argue persuasively that the optimal diet for humanity is a vegan diet. However, even if humans really are omnivores and not frugivores, the diet of natural omnivores is mostly (80 percent) plant food.
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» "The Comparative Anatomy of Eating" by Dr. Milton Mills
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 30, 2009 7:58 AM
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Also important is how the meat was raised and what it was fed--does it have the right Omega-3/omega-6 ratio?
Carbon dioxide is not our enemy. It is good for plants and we need more of it for healthy plants so they can produce the oxygen that we need...which is declining as a percentage of the atmosphere at alarming rates. It does not cause global warming--it does cause the Establishment media and its 'alternative' fronts to completely ignore CLIMATE-GATE and the concerted effort to brush this under the rug so as to maintain the GLOBAL WARMING LIE to create the necessary hysteria to get Cap and Trade and global taxes passed.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/search-engines- censoring-climategate.html
I don't think Al Gore has missed many meals and, its rather ironic that this clown was the second generation step and fetch for Armand Hammer whose Occidental Petroleum at one time controlled Iowa Beef Processors one of the biggest packers in the world. As with his acres of heated and cooled housing, with Gore and the other pseudo-Progressives, its "Do as I say, not as I do."
If Cargill is making vegetarian cheese-like product, you can bet it will be made out of GMO soy and be far worse for you than any real cheese. Its like the vegetable oil and other horrors out of Big Agri that has caused so much heart disease and other health problems...the trendy will jump on it as it will inevitably be supported by junk science and many will live to regret it, just like those who bought into the notion that highly processed at high heat oils treated with chemicals were somehow more nutritious than good old cococut and palm oil, lard, nut and seed oils and olive oil.
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A contermporary Benedictine monk, Brother David Steindl-Rast, wrote in Harmony: Voices for a Just Future, a peace and justice periodical on the religious Left, in 1995, that "...the survival of our planet depends on our sense of belonging--to all other humans, to dolphins caught in dragnets, to pigs and chickens and calves raised in animal concentration camps, to redwoods and rainforests, to kelp beds in our oceans, and to the ozone layer."
In a sermon preached in York Minster, September 28, 1986, John Austin Baker, the Bishop of Salisbury, England, attacked factory farming; choosing as his example, the treatment of chickens.
"Is there any credit balance for the battery hen, denied almost all natural functioning, all normal environment, lapsing steadily into deformity and disease, for the whole of her existence? he asked. "It is in the battery shed and the broiler house, not in the wild, that we find the true parallel to Auschwitz. Auschwitz is a purely human invention."
On another occasion, Bishop Baker taught: "By far the most important duty of all Christians in the cause of animal welfare is to cultivate this capacity to see; to see things with the heart of God, and so to suffer with other creatures."
On World Prayer Day for Animals, October 4, 1986, Bishop Baker preached against indifference to animal pain and lauded the animal welfare movement:
"To shut your mind, heart, imagination to the sufferings of others is to begin to slowly but inexorably to die. It is to cease by inches from being human, to become in the end capable of nothing generous or unselfish--or sometimes capable of anything, however terrible. You in the animal welfare movement are among those who may yet save our society from becoming spiritually deaf, blind and dead, and so from the doom that will justly follow."
According to Bishop Baker: "...Rights, whether animal or human, have only one sure foundation: that God loves us all and rejoices in us all. We humans are called to share with God in fulfilling the work of love towards all creatures...the true glory of the strong is to give themselves for the cherishing of the weak."
The realization that meat is an unnecessary luxury, resulting in inequities in the world's food supply, has prompted religious leaders in different denominations to call on their members to abstain from meat.
Paul Moore, Jr., the Episcopal bishop of the Diocese of New York, made such an appeal in a November 1974 pastoral letter, calling for the observance of "meatless Wednedays." A similar appeal had been issued earlier by Roman Catholic Cardinal Cooke of New York. The Reverend Eugene Carson Blake, former head of the World Council of Churches, and founder of Bread for the World, has encouraged everyone in his anti-hunger organization to abstain from eating meat on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action pointed out in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, that 220 million Americans were consuming enough grain (largely because of the high consumption of grain fed to livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.
Father Thomas Berry, a Catholic priest, author, and founder of the Riverdale Center for Religious Research in New York, wrote in 1987 that "Vegetarianism is a way of life that we should all move toward for economic survival, physical well-being, and spiritual integrity."
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Posted by: wagadog on Nov 30, 2009 7:36 PM
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The funny thing was, when I announced a vegan thanksgiving, including the stuffed hubbard squash...immediately my husband (a brit, never liked Thanksgiving ritual much before) offered to do a brined, organic, free-range local turkey stuffed only with huge handfuls of rosemary from the bush outside.
We both did our thing, and the vegans ate the stuffed squash and the steamed greens and the mustard green salad. The vegetarians had some nice cheese as well, and the carnivores had some turkey and gravy.
The presentation of the enormous stuffed hubbard squash (complete with "drumsticks" of stuffed butternut squash) almost upstaged the turkey, and so made the vegans and vegetarians no longer the "no turkey for you!" kids, but rather the "wow! this is delicious!" kids.
A good time was had by all, and the abundance of vegetables meant we all felt lighter and happier the next day, in any case -- and far less turkey consumed overall.
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Posted by: rmforall on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 PM
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Rich Murray 2009.11.30
methanol (11% of aspartame), made by body into formaldehyde
in many vulnerable tissues, causes modern diseases of civilization,
summary of a century of research, Woodrow C Monte PhD,
Medical Hypotheses journal: Rich Murray 2009.11.15
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Sunday, November 15, 2009
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older women drinking over 2 aspartame beverages daily
had 30% decline kidney function in 11 years,
Nurses Health Study, Julie Lin, Gary C Curhan,
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Rich Murray 2009.11.02
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Monday, November 2, 2009
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formaldehyde, aspartame, and migraines, the first case series,
Sharon E Jacob-Soo, Sarah A Stechschulte, UCSD,
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Dermatitis. 2008; 19(3): E10-E11.
2008 American Contact Dermatitis Society
Formaldehyde, Aspartame, and Migraines:
A Possible Connection
Sharon E. Jacob; Sarah Stechschulte
Abstract
Aspartame is a widely used artificial sweetener
that has been linked to pediatric and adolescent
migraines.
Upon ingestion, aspartame is broken, converted,
and oxidized intoformaldehyde in various tissues.
We present the first case series
of aspartame-associated migraines
related to clinically relevant positive reactions
to formaldehyde on patch testing.
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Posted by: jimyyu on Nov 30, 2009 10:36 PM
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you.just cool.BE FREE
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Posted by: Beck on Dec 1, 2009 4:39 AM
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Remember, it's Electricity-Free Tuesday. But only for those who already use no electricity on Tuesdays. The whole point is not to examine your own life, but to obsess over the corrections you need to impose upon others (so that you don't have to examine and clean up your own).
I still think the biggest cause of mass depression in the US would either be all of us becoming vegetarians, or atheists, or Green Party members. Because from a distance, the point doesn't seem at ALL to be meat, or God, or who you vote for. If we all followed you, or converted to atheism, or voted third, the greatest emptiness would ensue in the minds of the high priests. And another category for focusing attention and one's efforts on others instead of oneself would have to start, oh, within 6 months for sure.
Really, there's nothing that needs work in your own life, Kathy? Really, I'M more worthy of your efforts? Your house is clean? Your body is buff? You've read all the books that are on your must-read list? You volunteer, and visit, and keep up with important friends? No one who knows you thinks you have any personal arenas that need work? This would be remarkable in the extreme.
To paraphrase a comment on atheism, the day I let you walk into my living room and rearrange it the way you like it is the day I'll let you decide my diet. If you can pick the color my car is and what music I listen to, I guess you can pick what I eat. Should I go back to school? Move? Should I have people over for Christmas or spent it with just the 3 of us? It does seem as though writing an article on what color sweater I should wear to work today makes as much sense as thinking you know more than I do about what I should and should not eat. However, another underlying false and lousy premise is that WE have never bothered to check out diet information, and are therefore ignorant enough to need corrected from outside.
I, however, became firmly against veggieism when my chiropractor gave me some B12, telling me it was made from meat, as B12 exists in no plants. His wife is a vegetarian, by the way. I spent 2 or 3 days googling this, as I'd never heard it before. Anyone wanting to do anything as drastic and important as CHANGING ONE'S DIET should certainly spend, oh, 6 hours researching it, gathering information from all sides. why not? Just make sure you read all sides. You won't end up a vegetarian, especially if you're a woman of childbearing years and check THAT out. Hint: iron.
Googling "former vegetarians" is interesting. As is "flexitarians", defined as "vegetarians who eat meat". Lots and lots of flexitarians out there, from years of observation.
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Posted by: IwillIwill on Dec 1, 2009 1:37 PM
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I love vegetables(if they are not overcooked) and my wife and I garden (mainly veg)but I also love fish and meat.
DOWN WITH FANATICAL NAZI VEGS
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Posted by: AdamG on Dec 1, 2009 7:48 PM
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If there is some anti-meat wave washing over our world, I don't see any signs of it.
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Posted by: smf1403 on Dec 2, 2009 6:10 AM
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When Martha Stewart hosts a Vegetarian Thanksgiving show, it is a sign that people want to eat healthier, and more humanely.
Unfortunately the U.S. nazi-regime government is fighting the people's wishes with all of their power and money.
We will overcome those negative powers because Americans are intelligent, kind and aware of the horrors inflicted on animals in nazi-run factory farms.
http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/09/
john-robbins-is-it-wrong-to-eat-animals-video.html
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Here is what one org has to say on it:
Friends of Animals, an international advocacy organization founded in 1957, is urging President Obama and other world leaders meeting in Copenhagen next week to consider all causes of global warming. This includes animal agriculture and the consumption of animal flesh, milk and eggs.
“Piece by piece, our planet and all of its life is being disrupted and destroyed due to our raising of animals whom we intend to kill and consume” said Lee Hall, Legal Director for Friends of Animals. “To take the environment seriously is to stop using more of it than we need, and that’s what all animal agribusiness does.”
Last month, the Worldwatch Institute released a groundbreaking report, Livestock and Climate Change, which revealed that 51 percent of the of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions are directly linked to dairy and meat production. The emissions involved include clearing land to graze animals and grow feed, transporting animals and animal products, and even animal respiration.
Animal agriculture also contributes a whopping 80 percent of all methane gas emissions. Even small family-owned farms contribute to climate change — an organic dairy or chicken farm can produce more greenhouse gases than an industrial factory. The problem is so significant that the British government is asking its citizens to reduce their meat and dairy consumption.
“Not only does animal agriculture mean the killing of countless farm animals, it also means the loss of habitat for many free-living animals whose homes are destroyed in order to clear land,” added Hall. “The unnatural rate of extinctions of free-living animals is a tragedy for us as well; it poses the greatest threat of all to continued human life.”
The deteriorating climate is directly caused by our own actions, including what we eat. Each year, billions of animals are slaughtered for our consumption. If our leaders ignore animal agriculture as a significant contributing factor to climate change, then we are unlikely to meet any goals set in Copenhagen to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and stop the impending climate crisis.
FoA encourages all those concerned about climate change to adopt a vegan diet. Veganism, a plant-based diet, is rooted in compassion and respect for all living beings and the environment we depend on. By going vegan, Americans can reduce our CO2 output by 1.5 tons per year and make even greater gains in reducing methane and other emissions.
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Posted by: hdconverter on Dec 7, 2009 7:38 AM
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But special care must be taken when serving kids and teens a vegetarian diet, especially if it doesn't include dairy and egg products. And as with any diet, you'll need to understand that the nutritional needs of kids change as they grow.
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