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Feeling Nervous? 3,000 Behavior Detection Officers Will Be Watching You at the Airport This Thanksgiving
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Here's a question to ponder the next time you're taking off your shoes at airport security: Can you spot terrorists by the look on their faces?
For the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the answer is yes. For the past few years, airports across the country have been using what many call "behavioral surveillance" to weed out potential hijackers among us, by covertly examining travelers' facial expressions and body language as they go through security. Unlike those airport employees who herd us along as we remove our shoes and relinquish all liquids over three ounces (with dubious results), this new program, named "Screening Passengers by Observational Techniques," or "SPOT," is carried out by TSA employees who have been trained to monitor travelers' faces and movements. As Americans head out of town this holiday season, more than 3,000 "Behavior Detection Officers" will be at 161 airports nationwide, watching our every move.
The TSA boasts that the SPOT program is "derivative of other successful behavioral analysis programs that have been employed by law enforcement and security personnel both in the U.S. and around the world." Yet, the success of the SPOT program remains highly questionable. This month the Washington Post reported that, in 2008 alone, Behavior Detection Officers across the country pulled 98,805 passengers aside for additional screenings, out of which 9,854 were questioned by local police. 813 were eventually arrested.
The cost of the program, according to TSA spokesperson Ann Davis, was $3.1 million.
In an e-mail correspondence with AlterNet, Davis could not say how many of the 813 arrests led to convictions -- or for that matter, whether any terrorists were caught. "Many of the SPOT cases that resulted in arrests remain under active investigation by law enforcement," she said. "TSA doesn't always hear back from the investigative agencies on the outcome of the cases so we cannot track convictions."
But as Stephen Soldz, Director of the Center for Research, Evaluation, and Program Development at the Boston Graduate School of Psychoanalysis points out, "Even if the arrests are justified, they are less than 1 percent of the total singled out. What happens to more than 9,000 who are subjected to questioning and released?"
This question cuts to the heart of protests by civil liberties advocates and others who argue that, not only is the SPOT program a violation of people's privacy, but it is actually counterproductive, a wasteful exercise in false positives.
"By the math alone, rare events are impossible to accurately detect," says Soldz. "One will either miss most of what one is interested in [false negatives] or else identify many people falsely [false positives]."
Jay Stanley, Director of Public Education for the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Program, concurs. "The problem with the SPOT program," he told AlterNet, "is that it is based on trying to stop terrorism by searching for supposed 'signs of terrorism' that are so commonplace that it results in an increase in the monitoring of individuals to no good end."
"We Need to Use Them Everywhere"
Like the Department of Homeland Security that oversees it, the SPOT program is a post-9/11 phenomenon, partly inspired by the surveillance tapes that showed the 9/11 hijackers making their way through security at Boston's Logan Airport.
According to TSA analyst Carl Maccario, each man kept his eyes low to the ground, avoiding the gaze of the airport security guards. "They all looked away and had their heads down," he told USA Today in 2005. As the federal government looked for new ways to augment its counterterror tools after the attacks, the TSA set out to develop a program that would seek to identify would-be terrorists based on this type of behavior. Like the Pentagon, FBI, and CIA, the TSA sought out an army of psychologists to lend their expertise.
Key among them was Dr. Paul Ekman, a San Francisco-based psychologist and pioneer in the study of deceit and "microexpressions" -- the subtle, involuntary ways in which our faces betray our inner emotions. Ekman received a call from Maccario in 2005. "They were really contacting everyone who was doing any kind of work in this area," he recalled, in an interview with AlterNet. Maccario asked him to come on board as an adviser to the SPOT program.
Ekman visited Logan Airport, where a pilot version of SPOT was being implemented. What he saw impressed him enough that he wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post in 2006, praising the program.
"SPOT's officers, working in pairs, stand off to the side, scanning passengers at a security checkpoint for signs of any behaviors on the officers' checklist, such as repeated patting of the chest -- which might mean that a bomb is strapped too tightly under a person's jacket -- or a micro-expression," he wrote.
Ekman argued that the 9/11 hijackers had deception written all over their faces, but that tragically, no one was in a position to detect it. "The hijackers' lies -- to visa interviewers and airport check-in workers -- succeeded largely because airport personnel weren't taught how to spot liars, he wrote. "They had to rely on their hunches. The people who might have saved the lives of many Americans were needlessly handicapped."
"Observational techniques are not a substitute for all the other techniques we now use to catch would-be terrorists," Ekman concluded. "But they add another layer to transportation security. They are now being used at fewer than one in 10 major U.S. airports. We need to use them everywhere."
Three years later, the SPOT program has been vastly expanded, going beyond airports nationwide. According to Davis, the TSA "regularly deploys SPOT-trained officers to other transportation venues, including mass transit and rail stations."
But if the 2008 data is any indication, even trained officers cannot easily differentiate between a person who is acting nervous because he or she is, say, afraid of flying, and a nervous person who is armed and dangerous. (Even Ekman's Washington Post article described a "fidgety" man, "slumped in line, staring at the ground," who was occasionally gripped with a "momentary look of anguish." He was taken aside and questioned by Boston police, who discovered that the man was no terrorist -- his brother had just died unexpectedly, and he was on his way to his funeral.)
"Real life is not like in a spy thriller where people can magically perceive the people who have something to hide," says Stanley. "When people are asked to detect wrongdoing based on overbroad signs," he adds, "the usual result is racial profiling."
Catching Bad Guys?
The TSA has not released data on the almost 99,000 people who were pulled aside by Behavior Detection Officials, last year, or the 9,854 who were questioned by police. But for the overwhelming majority, who were innocent of any wrongdoing, the result has been harassment, aggravation, and missed flights at best, a violation of their rights at worst.
Not to mention wasted time and resources by security agents and law enforcement.
TSA spokesperson Ann Davis cites the "deterrent value" of the program as something that "cannot be overstated" -- "SPOT adds another layer of security to the airport environment and presents the terrorists with yet one more challenge they need to overcome in attempt to defeat our security system" -- but the claim is fairly impossible to prove.
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Posted by: macdon1 on Nov 24, 2009 1:19 AM
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» This is simply another way to desensitize us to their authoritarian and unquestioning control of our
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» RE: This is simply another way to desensitize us to their authoritarian and unquestioning control of our
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» Funny you should mention rock and roll, didn't someone with psychotropic drugs kill Lennon?
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» RE: Funny you should mention rock and roll, didn't someone with psychotropic drugs kill Lennon?
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» Funny you should mention rock and roll, didn't someone with psychotropic drugs kill Lennon?
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Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 24, 2009 1:27 AM
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PErfection is in heaven or voting for progressives(joke), but we do the best we can.
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» IF, and that is a big "IF" you believe Bush's war on terror is BOGUS....
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» I just tried to give you a bunch of links and for some reason....this site would not post them when
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» Lets try again... otherwise, maybe I am not suppose to give out this info....
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» RE: What is the point? Don't wear seat be;ts
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» RE: What is the point? Don't wear seat be;ts
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» RE: What is the point? Don't wear seat be;ts
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» RE: What is the point? Don't wear seat be;ts.... ah the infamous logic of the RWA
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Posted by: teddy on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 AM
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In retrospect, you can identify terrorists - after they've done something bad, but how do you spot a would-be criminal before he's committed a crime?
Would intelligence do a better job? Is it then really smart to wait till they're at the airport?
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» The terrorists are easy to watch.... keep an eye on all Wall street bankers, foreign lobbyists, and
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» RE: The terrorists are easy to watch.... keep an eye on all Wall street bankers, foreign lobbyists, and
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» Ironically, the psychopaths that are the fascists are the least religious unless its satanic....
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» RE: The terrorists are easy to watch.... keep an eye on all Wall street bankers, foreign lobbyists, and
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Posted by: adp3d on Nov 24, 2009 1:59 AM
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» You said: "As we are giving up ours rights we are handing terrorists the victory they seek."
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» RE: Yeh, but that takes effort
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» Yes, but only until it is easier to rock the boat than try to stay in it.
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» Try getting a set of Bagpipes through the security scanner
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 24, 2009 4:11 AM
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 24, 2009 4:28 AM
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try Busing, Car, Boat or any other method of transportation... if you really must fly hire a private aircraft from a smaller airfield it pays for itself in convience.
if enough people talked with there wallet and let TPTB know, that this is the consequences of their actions... maybe we will get some of our rights and freedoms back.
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» Good suggestion as far as it went, but what about the gov bailing out the airlines...???
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» time to feed the hunger... great post reply
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» RE: Good suggestion as far as it went, but what about the gov bailing out the airlines...???
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» there is no question you have a very legit point on that issue....
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» RE: there is no question you have a very legit point on that issue....
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» as a combat vet I will never advocate violence against another, another good post tho
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» RE: another reason why i will never fly again...me too
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 24, 2009 4:46 AM
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Everything i said here is a fact i would even give you my flight number but i just got up if i am replied to and you ask i will'
Have a good morning there's not that many left here because these people are monsters and they want it all' They want your pretty daughters in a stall they want your boy's in a cell and i wish i never gave them a dime. I see fire coming from the sky and hell attacking from the sky trying to frighten us just like them" Please don't be afraid the god of light is here and it has a plan.
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» You just described the expectations we can have under a FASCIST RULED SYSTEM.
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» RE: You just described the expectations we can have under a FASCIST RULED SYSTEM.
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» RE: there plane's safer giving us all shuts they give there military them but not us
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» Do you mean "thier"? What are you trying to say? "shuts"?
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» RE: Don't give them a dime
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Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 5:12 AM
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We opened a "Pandora's Box", allowing government to abuse authority, setting the stage for a nice, managable dictatorship. Now we don't seem to know what to do about it. The leading legal organizations on which we always counted (ACLU, etc.) to protect our civil liberties have failed. People were largely bullied out of fighting back, afraid that the new surveillance state will record their dissent, and that this could impact their careers, etc.
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» If we are not FREE, our careers are not assured anyway. That is a fact.
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» RE: United Surveillance of America
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Posted by: alya on Nov 24, 2009 5:30 AM
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Here's the deal - if you pop 5 milligrams of diazapam you will have no worries with nervous facial ticks and you can happily zip through the line with ease. Just don't forget to put your shoes on after walking past the idiots looking for your 4 and above ounce bottles of liquids.
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Posted by: melpol on Nov 24, 2009 5:48 AM
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» bullshit.
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» RE: bullshit.
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» RE: Suspicious Looking Characters
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» Oh, you mean the "empty-headed Christian" look?
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Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 6:20 AM
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My point is that this works, and is but one example of how we are divided, pitted against each other. Any accusation, repeated often enough, will be believed, no matter how unfounded or absurd. So, we believe that being gay makes a person a pedophile, being Muslim makes a person violent, people are poor only because they're lazy ... and so on.
So always be vigilant! We are surrounded by enemies who want to harm us. Keep watch on your neighbors and report any "suspicious activity"! When your minister urges you to give to the poor, is he really not advocating socialism, perhaps a regime change, maybe even terrorism? Report it! If the president encourages children to do well in school, is he really not trying to indoctrinate them? And why does that neighbor close his curtains at night -- what's he hiding? You get my point.
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» Shackles
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 24, 2009 7:03 AM
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 24, 2009 7:02 AM
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Gore Vidal recently stated that "flying in America has become both terrifying and boring". I have flown a few times since 9/11, and believe-you-me the experience of taking a plane nowadays is truly excrutiating. Here I am--a farmer in my farm cap---and I am ordered to remove my shoes and belt. Grandmothers being patted-down. People confiscating my bottle of aftershave in my luggage. Having to unpack my laptop and empty my pockets into a rubber tub, then frantically trying to retrieve everything again at the end of the x-ray machine while others are pushing-up behind you.
Take my advice--take a train, a bus, or a drive if at all possible.
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» RE: I wish we had a much better and expanded Amtrack....
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» Actually, I hate to say this, but you can make it miserable for them as well.
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» Or, being a slow-poke could get you a trip to the little office
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Posted by: mnstra on Nov 24, 2009 7:17 AM
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They do this because they can.Patriarchy knows no bounds, It justs keeps escalating.
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 24, 2009 7:19 AM
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I have OCD. And guess what. I act "suspicious" as just part of my daily routine. I can't even get a job because my illness prevents me from acting normally at job interviews. The cops have even stopped me on occasion just because I was acting OCD-ish. I am right out of the textbook of how to behave if you want to look like a terrorist.
Then there are all my postings to Alternet....
Will I EVER fly? No f***in' way! (They TORTURE potential "terrorists" now days, you know!)
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 24, 2009 7:37 AM
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How many real terrorists have been detected, identified, and prosecuted as a result of such measures?
There may well be a few, but it is certainly less than 1 in a Million. The authorities may argue, that because of the security measures that terrorists don't try and board aircraft.
But if you think about this, it is bollocks. First of all, if you really want a job as a baggage handler or an aircraft toilet cleaner, its as easy as being an illegal immigrant and gaining employment by a Government minister in her home.
It is a well known fact with regards to how people carry drugs. I think the term "mules" is used. If you accept the belief that terrorists actually want to kill themselves and all on board, well what's to stop them using similar techniques and going to the toilet to have a crap? They can buy everything else they need in duty free.
The next stage of course, if you want to travel by air at all, will be routine stripping completely naked in airport security, and subjection to internal body searches.
The real issue actually escapes examination because of the psychological effect of 9/11 where aircraft were considered to be the weapons.
But what is actually so special about aircraft that they need such ridiculous security measures?
Are aircraft more important than schools or hospitals?
What is to stop someone sneaking into a school or hospital and doing something incredibly dastardly that would potentially kill many thousands? It doesn't take much of an imagination to think of all sorts of possible means of terrorist attack.
The reality is that hardly anyone actually wants to commit such a terrorist attack, and a large percentage of those that do are working for government intelligence services using military explosives or other government supported bioweapons.
I myself have been selected for special attention and interrogation. I think the reason was not because I was in anyway looking or acting suspiciously, but that I simply didn't have any local currency. I had spent it all in bartering for a present for a friend. I said - well this is all I have, and so a price was agreed - everything.
But at the airport, it is customary to tip the porters. Even if you insist you do not want a porter, you are tricked into having one. Of course then they them want paying. If you haven't got any money to pay them, the word will spread to their family/friends in security, and you will be given a hard time.
In fact that is twice I have been through an airport with no money. The last time was when it was all stolen by a pickpocket. Fortunately they didn't take my passport or airline ticket. It did however seriously piss me off.
Tony
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» How many real terroists?
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Posted by: Triton on Nov 24, 2009 7:50 AM
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» RE: This is so absurd!
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Posted by: sunnywater on Nov 24, 2009 8:25 AM
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» DOG rest George Carlin
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» "ILLUSION" is right, for when you are not free, you are not safe, ever.
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Posted by: HslashK on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM
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» you made me snork on my coffee
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Posted by: L5 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM
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"Behavior Detection Officers across the country pulled 98,805 passengers aside for additional screenings, out of which 9,854 were questioned by local police. 813 were eventually arrested."
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Nov 24, 2009 8:54 AM
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM
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They used to take my lighter at the airport. Then they had a problem disposing of them all so now I get to keep my lighter.
I’ve been sent back to the ticket counter because my ticket said “Larry” and my license said “Lawrence”.
I’ve watched people say “Sir” repeatedly in nervous submission to badges and policing authority.
I’ve been stopped at more roadblocks in the last 2 years than the previous 20 in my locale.
I have an EZ-pass for toll roads. That is uniform technology that can track my travel in my car in many parts of the country.
My cell phone has technology that can locate me if it has a battery in it. The technology was introduced by government mandate. Now that it is public knowledge the phone companies offer it a service to track the location of children, but the tracking capability was there for many years previously.
Surveillance cameras has been increasingly deployed in more public spaces.
Emailed and web access can and is monitored.
Along with the above we’ve seen the entrenchment of a elite class that controls 95% of the wealth of this country.
What a disgusting web of “Big Brother” technologies.
I don’t doubt these technologies can be used to banish a misbehaving politician as well who doesn’t “get with the program”.
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» RE: It's social engineeering
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» RE: It's social engineeering
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Posted by: chetdude on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 AM
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Get used to it folks, you've allowed them to take your souls...
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» I bought me an old VW camper van
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Nov 24, 2009 10:06 AM
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The other thing relevant to this article is that there were no surveillance cameras at Boston Logan International Airport. See "http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp? timeline=complete_911_timeline&investigations: _a_detailed_look=penttbom” Complete 911 Timeline: September 29, 2001: No Video Cameras in Boston’s Logan Airport; Footage from Other Airports Remains Classified (It is reported that Boston’s Logan Airport has no cameras in its terminals, gate areas, or concourses. It is possibly the only major airport in the US not to have such cameras. The two other airports used by the hijackers to launch the 9/11 attacks had security cameras, but only some footage of the hijackers in the Washington airport is leaked to the press in 2004. [BOSTON HERALD, 9/29/2001] It was previously reported that FBI agents had “examined footage from dozens of cameras at the three airports [including Logan] where the terrorists boarded the aircraft.” [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 9/13/2001])
It would appear to me that the United States was a liability in terms of global financial institutions. The United States had an aging middle class population with retirement benefits to be paid, IRA's etc. that would heavily tax the ability of those institutions to meet their obligations. At the same time labor costs were high in the United States and community protection regulations were cutting steeply into profit margins. Therefore the United States had to be dumped in favor of a country like China that had much more liberal labor and community protection laws, and no aging well paid population, greatly improving prospective profitability. So 9/11 was hatched as a mechanism to begin the transfer of wealth out of the United State into the accounts of international institutions in countries more favorable to their to their (international financial institution, “banks without borders”) economic well being.
When American’s finally wake up they will be furious; hence the need to create a sophisticated security system (even using psychological profiling) to contain that explosive anger when it erupts.
When I compare the GDP of the United States to the GDP of Africa, I get a curve that suggests that the GDP of the United States will be at parity with the GDP of Africa in five to ten years.
Re-Open the investigation of 9/11; what will be learned might save this country.
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» A bit "excessively wordy", but I can agree in principal
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 AM
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more American paranoia, lockdown nation funding & NAKED BODY SCANNER TECHNOLOGY!
yeah.
baby.
gimme more of those live like a warcriminal *if you wanna travel & exercise your rights to freedom of movement!* bullshit.
THANK YOU AMERICA!
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Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 AM
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Gives me a warm, moist feelin' especially at the holidays...und so stolz, ein Amerikaner zu sein!
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» Ja, Wohl! Civil liberties are just
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» I fear that you're right, tatamchwh
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» RE: I fear that you're right, tatamchwh
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» RE: I fear that you're right, tatamchwh
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Posted by: Constitution on Nov 24, 2009 11:55 AM
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» RE: Yes, Hamilton and Madison Debated that at Length
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Posted by: KAvatar on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM
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What is next every neighborhood will have one of this "Behavior Detection Officers" ? or they already have them implanted in society !!
Though what is left in citizens life which is not known to "Agency" , we have or given Credit cards, Phone and Cell phones (taped !!), GPS, Internet, Emails, Travel records... most of the records are logged. "Agency" owns biggest data storage capacity and are planning to increase further.
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 24, 2009 12:31 PM
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» Have another Vat of wine, and take a nap
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» RE: Don't give them a dime Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov
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» Hey Tony, I'm Moloko Velocet...not Richardsievert...go sleep it off, mate!
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Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM
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because AMERICANS bring on World Terrorism.
You know what?
I'll PAY MORE FOR MY AIRFARE if that airline could guarantee we
d avoid entering US Airspace where the US justifies treating me like meat or a maximum security prison offender.
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM
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Since 2001 I've flown maybe 2 or 3 times (someone else bought tix for this and that... I sure as hell can't afford a plane ticket, let alone have that much time off work to go someplace other than work in the first place). Each and every time I spent time being questioned and each and every time law enforcement was confident I was a turrish.
Best line in the piece says it all: Tthe TSA boasts that the SPOT program is "derivative of other successful behavioral analysis programs that have been employed by law enforcement and security personnel both in the U.S. and around the world."
Classic. 'Merkaans always tryin' to reinvent the wheel... like when MLS came up with the 'Merkaanized innovation to soccer to use a count-down clock and a bizzare "shootout" instead of Kicks-from-the-mark (a.k.a. colloquially as "PKs"). Fuckin' idiots. At least MLS figured out that was dumb and switched back to the way the rest of the planet plays football. I won't hold my breath for TSA to do the same.
You ever talk to a TSA employee? Biggest buncha fuckin' paranoid delusionals in the world.
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They certainly are setting low benchmarks for success. And claiming success for deterrence echoes the old Cheney argument that you can't prove the absence of WMD in Iraq just because no one every found any... Same old malarkey!
As for people being unable to mask their emotions... have you ever seen an actor? lawyer? teacher? doctor? parent? Many people do this successfully daily. The would-be terrorist just has to think about lunch as he sails through security.
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Posted by: harpy on Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM
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So now this kid will forever be leary and afraid to express his thoughts. What if Stephen King had been treated that way when he was a kid? They want to desensitive all of us to believe we have no civilians' rights.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM
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We subsidize air travel through airport construction, special tax expenditures, etc. This should end--and, I think banks get favored tax treatment for buying planes and leasing them to the airlines, or they used to...
...Banking activity has been subsidized through the tax code for far too long and it is time to rationalize the functions now haphazardly and inefficiently carried out by the banks at tremendous cost to the people in a way that serves the people and not the bankers--this extends to home loans in particular where Americans get a crappy mortgage interest deduction for paying Usury to scum, thanks to the transfer to private banks of the money-creating powers that rest with the sovereign. A banker talking about a "free market" is like Madonna talking about "chastity."
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Posted by: Dominic Jermano on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM
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Many as I; really believe Bush orchestrated 911...along with Cheney in his stand-down order that day. 911 was and is an inside job. No doubt in my mind.
And to think TSA is going to be able to spot a terrorist is quite naive on their part.
Just the mere physical ability of someone to overpower a plane could be achieved. An organized group of strong guys with no guns or weapons could overpower a plane together quite easily. Cabin doors can easily be kicked in, or windows on the plane smashed out.
You would think security in the US would stop their foolishness and realize it was planned by the Bush Op.
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 24, 2009 11:31 PM
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He has a bad hairdresher,
The hero stays clean shaven, looks always honest and brave.
arabterorists have beards like Bin Laden.
mexican drugdealers have big moustaches.
According the Washington Superscript drugsdealers with beards and mexican drugsdealers without a big moustache get fined.
my 86 years old mother came in trouble at the airport with a nailclipper.
For Tony Opmoc ; is there still the billboard at Heathrow telling if you call the guards names or you shout at them you will be considered as a terrorist???
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Posted by: austex_chris on Nov 24, 2009 11:44 PM
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How about this for anti-terrorism? We stop invading countries in the Middle East. Or how about we convince Israel to stop building settlements? No, can't do that? Then just try to randomly catch terrorists through random checks. Tell me how that works out.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 25, 2009 3:18 AM
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That small, tiny germ that sprouted way back in 20's and 30's of last century called "behaviorism" or "behavior analysis" or any number of other euphemisms has certainly bloomed into a very healthy, vibrant and still-growing bloom. Nowadays, all kinds of 'technicians', teamed-up and singly, technologically well equipped and savvy, are putting into practice much all that knowledge and information -- valid or not! -- that has accumulated since those days in these areas. These accumulations of knowledge and information, of course, are by now called "intellectual property" and are owned and controlled by a host of private capitalists (who hold that "capital" securely in place by continually perfected legislation).
Is their use and application in the service of health or well-being? Nope; its in the service of control, 'governance' and rule. Once 'proven' in fixed areas like airports or schools, or other 'captive audiences', they're generalized and put into effect upon all of us in every aspect of our lives. For money.
And pretty much sooner rather than later, all of our behaviors and idiosyncracies, our expressions and demeanors, our character so to speak, will be largely determined (thus predictable and regulable and normalized), and Papa and Mama Capital will be able to ensure that the children are behaving as they should, spending their Allowance on those things pre-determined as 'good' and 'wholesome' and 'positive'.
And we all can say how free we are, in this freest of all possible worlds, p's and q's and every other letter exactly as acceptable and appropriate to those new Masters of our Universe.
Stimulus-Response, and conditioning; that's all it is.
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Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 9:03 AM
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The proof that these items are not really dangerous stares them in the face. Does the TSA/KGB label the forbidden/suspect/dangerous items with the owners information? Are these items tested? Heck no. It's tossed into trash bins, hauled off on regular trash trucks and buried in a landfill or dragged out into the ocean.
What a pity so many in the land of the free are so stupid. But, they are making the war machine producers rich while bankrupting the country.
Lets try this. Allow the public to choose. If you are afraid, pay extra for "secure" flights. Let those just trying to travel from point A to point B without fear buy lower priced tickets to fly without the BS.
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Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 25, 2009 6:13 PM
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What it comes down is a matter of degree. That is a judgement call.
In ww2, there were blackouts; you had to turn off your lights or have very heavy curtains. As a an individual you have the right to risk your life, but you don't have the right to risk others; hence, if you take the risk of having your lights on, others will suffer; so we restrict your freedom.
The same applies to airports. There is no magic answer to the extent of searches. But the principle remains.
If you have certain infectious diseases such as TB, we can restrict your freedom of movment by quarantine to protect others. We cant force you to take the medecine. This analogy applies to airport security. We restrict freedom by searches and delays to minimize mass killing.
Solution. IF you don't care for delays and searches, then drive yhour car or bike.
life is not a bowl of cherries. There are always tradeoffs.
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you.just cool.BE FREE
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» Funny you should mention rock and roll, didn't someone with psychotropic drugs kill Lennon?
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PErfection is in heaven or voting for progressives(joke), but we do the best we can.
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» IF, and that is a big "IF" you believe Bush's war on terror is BOGUS....
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Posted by: teddy on Nov 24, 2009 1:30 AM
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In retrospect, you can identify terrorists - after they've done something bad, but how do you spot a would-be criminal before he's committed a crime?
Would intelligence do a better job? Is it then really smart to wait till they're at the airport?
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» The terrorists are easy to watch.... keep an eye on all Wall street bankers, foreign lobbyists, and
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» Ironically, the psychopaths that are the fascists are the least religious unless its satanic....
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» You said: "As we are giving up ours rights we are handing terrorists the victory they seek."
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» Try getting a set of Bagpipes through the security scanner
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Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 24, 2009 4:28 AM
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try Busing, Car, Boat or any other method of transportation... if you really must fly hire a private aircraft from a smaller airfield it pays for itself in convience.
if enough people talked with there wallet and let TPTB know, that this is the consequences of their actions... maybe we will get some of our rights and freedoms back.
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» time to feed the hunger... great post reply
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» RE: Good suggestion as far as it went, but what about the gov bailing out the airlines...???
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» there is no question you have a very legit point on that issue....
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» as a combat vet I will never advocate violence against another, another good post tho
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» RE: another reason why i will never fly again...me too
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Posted by: Richardsievert on Nov 24, 2009 4:46 AM
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Everything i said here is a fact i would even give you my flight number but i just got up if i am replied to and you ask i will'
Have a good morning there's not that many left here because these people are monsters and they want it all' They want your pretty daughters in a stall they want your boy's in a cell and i wish i never gave them a dime. I see fire coming from the sky and hell attacking from the sky trying to frighten us just like them" Please don't be afraid the god of light is here and it has a plan.
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» RE: there plane's safer giving us all shuts they give there military them but not us
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Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 5:12 AM
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We opened a "Pandora's Box", allowing government to abuse authority, setting the stage for a nice, managable dictatorship. Now we don't seem to know what to do about it. The leading legal organizations on which we always counted (ACLU, etc.) to protect our civil liberties have failed. People were largely bullied out of fighting back, afraid that the new surveillance state will record their dissent, and that this could impact their careers, etc.
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Here's the deal - if you pop 5 milligrams of diazapam you will have no worries with nervous facial ticks and you can happily zip through the line with ease. Just don't forget to put your shoes on after walking past the idiots looking for your 4 and above ounce bottles of liquids.
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» bullshit.
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Posted by: DHFabian on Nov 24, 2009 6:20 AM
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My point is that this works, and is but one example of how we are divided, pitted against each other. Any accusation, repeated often enough, will be believed, no matter how unfounded or absurd. So, we believe that being gay makes a person a pedophile, being Muslim makes a person violent, people are poor only because they're lazy ... and so on.
So always be vigilant! We are surrounded by enemies who want to harm us. Keep watch on your neighbors and report any "suspicious activity"! When your minister urges you to give to the poor, is he really not advocating socialism, perhaps a regime change, maybe even terrorism? Report it! If the president encourages children to do well in school, is he really not trying to indoctrinate them? And why does that neighbor close his curtains at night -- what's he hiding? You get my point.
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Nov 24, 2009 7:02 AM
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Gore Vidal recently stated that "flying in America has become both terrifying and boring". I have flown a few times since 9/11, and believe-you-me the experience of taking a plane nowadays is truly excrutiating. Here I am--a farmer in my farm cap---and I am ordered to remove my shoes and belt. Grandmothers being patted-down. People confiscating my bottle of aftershave in my luggage. Having to unpack my laptop and empty my pockets into a rubber tub, then frantically trying to retrieve everything again at the end of the x-ray machine while others are pushing-up behind you.
Take my advice--take a train, a bus, or a drive if at all possible.
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Posted by: mnstra on Nov 24, 2009 7:17 AM
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They do this because they can.Patriarchy knows no bounds, It justs keeps escalating.
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Nov 24, 2009 7:19 AM
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I have OCD. And guess what. I act "suspicious" as just part of my daily routine. I can't even get a job because my illness prevents me from acting normally at job interviews. The cops have even stopped me on occasion just because I was acting OCD-ish. I am right out of the textbook of how to behave if you want to look like a terrorist.
Then there are all my postings to Alternet....
Will I EVER fly? No f***in' way! (They TORTURE potential "terrorists" now days, you know!)
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 24, 2009 7:37 AM
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How many real terrorists have been detected, identified, and prosecuted as a result of such measures?
There may well be a few, but it is certainly less than 1 in a Million. The authorities may argue, that because of the security measures that terrorists don't try and board aircraft.
But if you think about this, it is bollocks. First of all, if you really want a job as a baggage handler or an aircraft toilet cleaner, its as easy as being an illegal immigrant and gaining employment by a Government minister in her home.
It is a well known fact with regards to how people carry drugs. I think the term "mules" is used. If you accept the belief that terrorists actually want to kill themselves and all on board, well what's to stop them using similar techniques and going to the toilet to have a crap? They can buy everything else they need in duty free.
The next stage of course, if you want to travel by air at all, will be routine stripping completely naked in airport security, and subjection to internal body searches.
The real issue actually escapes examination because of the psychological effect of 9/11 where aircraft were considered to be the weapons.
But what is actually so special about aircraft that they need such ridiculous security measures?
Are aircraft more important than schools or hospitals?
What is to stop someone sneaking into a school or hospital and doing something incredibly dastardly that would potentially kill many thousands? It doesn't take much of an imagination to think of all sorts of possible means of terrorist attack.
The reality is that hardly anyone actually wants to commit such a terrorist attack, and a large percentage of those that do are working for government intelligence services using military explosives or other government supported bioweapons.
I myself have been selected for special attention and interrogation. I think the reason was not because I was in anyway looking or acting suspiciously, but that I simply didn't have any local currency. I had spent it all in bartering for a present for a friend. I said - well this is all I have, and so a price was agreed - everything.
But at the airport, it is customary to tip the porters. Even if you insist you do not want a porter, you are tricked into having one. Of course then they them want paying. If you haven't got any money to pay them, the word will spread to their family/friends in security, and you will be given a hard time.
In fact that is twice I have been through an airport with no money. The last time was when it was all stolen by a pickpocket. Fortunately they didn't take my passport or airline ticket. It did however seriously piss me off.
Tony
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» "ILLUSION" is right, for when you are not free, you are not safe, ever.
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"Behavior Detection Officers across the country pulled 98,805 passengers aside for additional screenings, out of which 9,854 were questioned by local police. 813 were eventually arrested."
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 24, 2009 9:12 AM
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They used to take my lighter at the airport. Then they had a problem disposing of them all so now I get to keep my lighter.
I’ve been sent back to the ticket counter because my ticket said “Larry” and my license said “Lawrence”.
I’ve watched people say “Sir” repeatedly in nervous submission to badges and policing authority.
I’ve been stopped at more roadblocks in the last 2 years than the previous 20 in my locale.
I have an EZ-pass for toll roads. That is uniform technology that can track my travel in my car in many parts of the country.
My cell phone has technology that can locate me if it has a battery in it. The technology was introduced by government mandate. Now that it is public knowledge the phone companies offer it a service to track the location of children, but the tracking capability was there for many years previously.
Surveillance cameras has been increasingly deployed in more public spaces.
Emailed and web access can and is monitored.
Along with the above we’ve seen the entrenchment of a elite class that controls 95% of the wealth of this country.
What a disgusting web of “Big Brother” technologies.
I don’t doubt these technologies can be used to banish a misbehaving politician as well who doesn’t “get with the program”.
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Posted by: chetdude on Nov 24, 2009 9:22 AM
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Get used to it folks, you've allowed them to take your souls...
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Posted by: edgar_michel on Nov 24, 2009 10:06 AM
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The other thing relevant to this article is that there were no surveillance cameras at Boston Logan International Airport. See "http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp? timeline=complete_911_timeline&investigations: _a_detailed_look=penttbom” Complete 911 Timeline: September 29, 2001: No Video Cameras in Boston’s Logan Airport; Footage from Other Airports Remains Classified (It is reported that Boston’s Logan Airport has no cameras in its terminals, gate areas, or concourses. It is possibly the only major airport in the US not to have such cameras. The two other airports used by the hijackers to launch the 9/11 attacks had security cameras, but only some footage of the hijackers in the Washington airport is leaked to the press in 2004. [BOSTON HERALD, 9/29/2001] It was previously reported that FBI agents had “examined footage from dozens of cameras at the three airports [including Logan] where the terrorists boarded the aircraft.” [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 9/13/2001])
It would appear to me that the United States was a liability in terms of global financial institutions. The United States had an aging middle class population with retirement benefits to be paid, IRA's etc. that would heavily tax the ability of those institutions to meet their obligations. At the same time labor costs were high in the United States and community protection regulations were cutting steeply into profit margins. Therefore the United States had to be dumped in favor of a country like China that had much more liberal labor and community protection laws, and no aging well paid population, greatly improving prospective profitability. So 9/11 was hatched as a mechanism to begin the transfer of wealth out of the United State into the accounts of international institutions in countries more favorable to their to their (international financial institution, “banks without borders”) economic well being.
When American’s finally wake up they will be furious; hence the need to create a sophisticated security system (even using psychological profiling) to contain that explosive anger when it erupts.
When I compare the GDP of the United States to the GDP of Africa, I get a curve that suggests that the GDP of the United States will be at parity with the GDP of Africa in five to ten years.
Re-Open the investigation of 9/11; what will be learned might save this country.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 10:32 AM
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more American paranoia, lockdown nation funding & NAKED BODY SCANNER TECHNOLOGY!
yeah.
baby.
gimme more of those live like a warcriminal *if you wanna travel & exercise your rights to freedom of movement!* bullshit.
THANK YOU AMERICA!
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Posted by: moloko velocet on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 AM
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Gives me a warm, moist feelin' especially at the holidays...und so stolz, ein Amerikaner zu sein!
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Posted by: Constitution on Nov 24, 2009 11:55 AM
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Posted by: KAvatar on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM
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What is next every neighborhood will have one of this "Behavior Detection Officers" ? or they already have them implanted in society !!
Though what is left in citizens life which is not known to "Agency" , we have or given Credit cards, Phone and Cell phones (taped !!), GPS, Internet, Emails, Travel records... most of the records are logged. "Agency" owns biggest data storage capacity and are planning to increase further.
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» Have another Vat of wine, and take a nap
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» Hey Tony, I'm Moloko Velocet...not Richardsievert...go sleep it off, mate!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Nov 24, 2009 1:20 PM
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because AMERICANS bring on World Terrorism.
You know what?
I'll PAY MORE FOR MY AIRFARE if that airline could guarantee we
d avoid entering US Airspace where the US justifies treating me like meat or a maximum security prison offender.
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» The "Filthy-Stinking-Rich" charter private flights...that's why we proles are stuck with it!
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» "I feel a chill": 'welcome to America!' in Toronto...
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Posted by: garyfee on Nov 24, 2009 1:28 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 24, 2009 1:43 PM
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Since 2001 I've flown maybe 2 or 3 times (someone else bought tix for this and that... I sure as hell can't afford a plane ticket, let alone have that much time off work to go someplace other than work in the first place). Each and every time I spent time being questioned and each and every time law enforcement was confident I was a turrish.
Best line in the piece says it all: Tthe TSA boasts that the SPOT program is "derivative of other successful behavioral analysis programs that have been employed by law enforcement and security personnel both in the U.S. and around the world."
Classic. 'Merkaans always tryin' to reinvent the wheel... like when MLS came up with the 'Merkaanized innovation to soccer to use a count-down clock and a bizzare "shootout" instead of Kicks-from-the-mark (a.k.a. colloquially as "PKs"). Fuckin' idiots. At least MLS figured out that was dumb and switched back to the way the rest of the planet plays football. I won't hold my breath for TSA to do the same.
You ever talk to a TSA employee? Biggest buncha fuckin' paranoid delusionals in the world.
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Posted by: zugzwang on Nov 24, 2009 2:08 PM
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They certainly are setting low benchmarks for success. And claiming success for deterrence echoes the old Cheney argument that you can't prove the absence of WMD in Iraq just because no one every found any... Same old malarkey!
As for people being unable to mask their emotions... have you ever seen an actor? lawyer? teacher? doctor? parent? Many people do this successfully daily. The would-be terrorist just has to think about lunch as he sails through security.
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» Bush was busy creating his alibi...
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Posted by: InsertNameHere on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM
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Posted by: harpy on Nov 24, 2009 4:58 PM
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So now this kid will forever be leary and afraid to express his thoughts. What if Stephen King had been treated that way when he was a kid? They want to desensitive all of us to believe we have no civilians' rights.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM
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We subsidize air travel through airport construction, special tax expenditures, etc. This should end--and, I think banks get favored tax treatment for buying planes and leasing them to the airlines, or they used to...
...Banking activity has been subsidized through the tax code for far too long and it is time to rationalize the functions now haphazardly and inefficiently carried out by the banks at tremendous cost to the people in a way that serves the people and not the bankers--this extends to home loans in particular where Americans get a crappy mortgage interest deduction for paying Usury to scum, thanks to the transfer to private banks of the money-creating powers that rest with the sovereign. A banker talking about a "free market" is like Madonna talking about "chastity."
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Posted by: Dominic Jermano on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 PM
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Many as I; really believe Bush orchestrated 911...along with Cheney in his stand-down order that day. 911 was and is an inside job. No doubt in my mind.
And to think TSA is going to be able to spot a terrorist is quite naive on their part.
Just the mere physical ability of someone to overpower a plane could be achieved. An organized group of strong guys with no guns or weapons could overpower a plane together quite easily. Cabin doors can easily be kicked in, or windows on the plane smashed out.
You would think security in the US would stop their foolishness and realize it was planned by the Bush Op.
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Posted by: dealmeinfo5 on Nov 24, 2009 10:02 PM
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Posted by: richholland on Nov 24, 2009 11:31 PM
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He has a bad hairdresher,
The hero stays clean shaven, looks always honest and brave.
arabterorists have beards like Bin Laden.
mexican drugdealers have big moustaches.
According the Washington Superscript drugsdealers with beards and mexican drugsdealers without a big moustache get fined.
my 86 years old mother came in trouble at the airport with a nailclipper.
For Tony Opmoc ; is there still the billboard at Heathrow telling if you call the guards names or you shout at them you will be considered as a terrorist???
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Posted by: austex_chris on Nov 24, 2009 11:44 PM
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How about this for anti-terrorism? We stop invading countries in the Middle East. Or how about we convince Israel to stop building settlements? No, can't do that? Then just try to randomly catch terrorists through random checks. Tell me how that works out.
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Posted by: talkville on Nov 25, 2009 3:18 AM
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That small, tiny germ that sprouted way back in 20's and 30's of last century called "behaviorism" or "behavior analysis" or any number of other euphemisms has certainly bloomed into a very healthy, vibrant and still-growing bloom. Nowadays, all kinds of 'technicians', teamed-up and singly, technologically well equipped and savvy, are putting into practice much all that knowledge and information -- valid or not! -- that has accumulated since those days in these areas. These accumulations of knowledge and information, of course, are by now called "intellectual property" and are owned and controlled by a host of private capitalists (who hold that "capital" securely in place by continually perfected legislation).
Is their use and application in the service of health or well-being? Nope; its in the service of control, 'governance' and rule. Once 'proven' in fixed areas like airports or schools, or other 'captive audiences', they're generalized and put into effect upon all of us in every aspect of our lives. For money.
And pretty much sooner rather than later, all of our behaviors and idiosyncracies, our expressions and demeanors, our character so to speak, will be largely determined (thus predictable and regulable and normalized), and Papa and Mama Capital will be able to ensure that the children are behaving as they should, spending their Allowance on those things pre-determined as 'good' and 'wholesome' and 'positive'.
And we all can say how free we are, in this freest of all possible worlds, p's and q's and every other letter exactly as acceptable and appropriate to those new Masters of our Universe.
Stimulus-Response, and conditioning; that's all it is.
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Posted by: DAnnara on Nov 25, 2009 9:03 AM
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The proof that these items are not really dangerous stares them in the face. Does the TSA/KGB label the forbidden/suspect/dangerous items with the owners information? Are these items tested? Heck no. It's tossed into trash bins, hauled off on regular trash trucks and buried in a landfill or dragged out into the ocean.
What a pity so many in the land of the free are so stupid. But, they are making the war machine producers rich while bankrupting the country.
Lets try this. Allow the public to choose. If you are afraid, pay extra for "secure" flights. Let those just trying to travel from point A to point B without fear buy lower priced tickets to fly without the BS.
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Posted by: Collielady on Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM
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Posted by: leonardfeingold on Nov 25, 2009 6:13 PM
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What it comes down is a matter of degree. That is a judgement call.
In ww2, there were blackouts; you had to turn off your lights or have very heavy curtains. As a an individual you have the right to risk your life, but you don't have the right to risk others; hence, if you take the risk of having your lights on, others will suffer; so we restrict your freedom.
The same applies to airports. There is no magic answer to the extent of searches. But the principle remains.
If you have certain infectious diseases such as TB, we can restrict your freedom of movment by quarantine to protect others. We cant force you to take the medecine. This analogy applies to airport security. We restrict freedom by searches and delays to minimize mass killing.
Solution. IF you don't care for delays and searches, then drive yhour car or bike.
life is not a bowl of cherries. There are always tradeoffs.
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Posted by: jimyyu on Nov 30, 2009 10:35 PM
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you.just cool.BE FREE
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