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Don't You Think It's Time to Reinstate the Laws That Would Have Prevented the Financial Crash?
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This week marks the tenth year anniversary of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley or Financial Services Modernization Act, marking the moment when we were royally screwed by the banking system. Thank you to all those involved.
It's amazing how downright ebullient, President Bill Clinton was at that signing ceremony on November 12, 1999. an event introduced by then Treasury Secretary (now Obama advisor) Larry Summers, successor to Robert Rubin. Those restricting, anti-competitive Depression era, laws were finally behind us. Awesome.
Fast-forward to now and must of us know how devastatingly expensive that signature was for the American public. Yet, despite our government having deployed or made available over $14.1 trillion worth of federal subsidies to fix Wall Street, the banking landscape is less stable than it was before last year's crisis. And, despite national unemployment approaching double digits, and another record quarter of foreclosures, we stand farther away from the intent of Glass Steagall than ever.
Banks weren't handled with kid gloves then. They were treated like the spoiled, reckless, destructive beings they were. After the stock market crash in 1929, the country sunk into the throes of the Great Depression, characterized by 25% unemployment, bread lines, rampant foreclosures, and general despair. In 1932, the Pecora commission examined the shady banking practices that contributed to the devastation, all of which hinged on one thing - banks had used depositor capital and loans to speculate with. Exactly like the practices going on before and since last fall's financial calamity. The result of that speculation gone wrong tanked the economy. Glass-Steagall logically sought to ensure this wouldn't happen again. It divided up the banking landscape into two parts, commercial banks and investment banks. The federal government would back commercial banks and consumer deposits through establishing the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). But, it wouldn't be Wall Street's investment bank bookie and bitch.
Over the decades, the financial sector, armed with cunning lobbyists and overpaid lawyers, took many swipes at Glass-Steagall, but none as devastating as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Since then, the banking sector's powerful ate its weak, amidst a wave of massive consolidation. Nearly half of the nation's biggest bank mergers took place just before or since that Act was passed. All these mega banks can thus churn deposits and loans into debt or capital to fund speculation, risk, and create a roller coaster of an economy that is defined simply on whether those bets, or asset creations, work or not, at any given moment. Heads they win, tails we lose.
Last fall, the Federal Reserve, and to some extent the Treasury Department, not only blessed, but subsidized the mergers and moniker changes (like seriously, if Carrie Prejean's title can be stripped, certainly Goldman's behavior warrants removal of the bank holding company title), helping too big to fail to become even bigger with riskier profiles than ever before. Only this time they are floated on public assistance. This is not progress. It's expensive insanity. And, it will blow up again. It is a matter of when, not if.
Meanwhile, as reform bills from Senator Christopher Dodd's (D-CT) to Representative Barney Frank's (D-MA), to the plans from the Treasury Department and the White House, make their way from concept to draft to vote, we've got to keep one thing in mind. The beast that is today's complicated, convoluted, risk taking, federal capital sucking, and bonus paying mega-bank is still roaming around free.
As long as it remains out of its cage, creating plans to slow its movements are always going to be much harder, than putting it back in a stronger cage. Though, it's important to have a Consumer Financial Protection Agency, better derivatives regulation (if only that were on the table for real), and 'funeral plans' as Dodd's bill calls them, to put too big to fail banks to bed just before they keel over, it doesn't change the nature of the beast.
And though one way to keep some of our money out of the mouths of the most rapacious banks, would be to reduce leverage limits and increase capital requirements for the riskiest banks, or as Tim Geithner and Fed Chairman, Ben Benanke like to call them, 'the systemically important' ones so they can pay for their own clean-up - this too has a catch.
The more capital banks are required to hold, while being allowed to operate as investment banks that use hoarded capital as collateral for increasing their own borrowing and trading businesses, the less lending they will provide to ordinary citizens and small businesses. Without splitting up the banking structure to avoid the hoard to trade, not to lend, scenario, we are creating legislation to help banks bloat on risk - they will have less than no incentive to do much else.
And as far as regulatory bodies are concerned? I dare any regulator, or for that matter human-being in Washington to come up with one single consistent risk parameter that can be used to determine exactly what percentage of each of the big bank's profits comes from speculative vs. customer driven business. Because, by virtue of how complex they all are, and have been allowed to remain, no two balance sheets are remotely similar - and I'm not talking about accounting terms, I'm talking about risk clarification ones.
Thus, whether we merge all regulators into one ginormous one, or have a council of them to deal with the hard issues of mega-collapse and crisis, or even place one inside the office of every top bank CEO, shadowing him like a probation officer (no that's not in one of the bills, it would just be fun to watch unfold), the beast remains out of the cage.
That's why we need to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Now. We need to dissect the speculative from the boring within our country's financial institutions. And yes, it's possible to achieve. Banks split off pieces of companies and move them around every day. Plus, the Glass Steagall Act didn't wave a magic wand that divided up bank divisions, it ingeniously used banks' own competitive desires against them, by giving banks a one-year period to dramatically reduce the portion of profit they made from investment banking activities to 10% of total profits. Banks were free to choose how to do this, knowing commercial banking got government backing, and investment backing didn't. Betting behaviors are more conservative when it's your own money, and not someone else's on the line. Stability follows.
We need to specifically reinstate section 16 of the Glass-Steagall Act that had restricted national commercial banks from engaging in most investment banking activities, up to a certain small percentage, coming from client directives, not their own proprietary trading. And, on the flip side, we need to reinstate section 21 that restricted investment banks from engaging in any commercial banking up to a certain percentage limit.
Doing these two things, would reduce the more systemically risky competitive desires between these two types of banks that spurs them to merge into institutions that are too big to exist without our help, or take the kinds of leveraged risks that drive short-term profits and bonuses, at the expense of long term financial system stability.
Similar to the original Glass-Steagall Act, commercial institutions would have say, eighteen months to reduce the percentage of their income derived from any type of equity, asset-backed securities, CDO or derivative products origination and trading to 10 percent, and one year to present a plan to do so.
While banks are learning to comply with these new-old laws, we should immediately reinstating lower deposit concentration limits on the banking industry to discourage further consolidation. Plus, we need to force the Fed to do its job to enforce existing limits, or give that enforcement power to the FDIC or another body that shows itself capable of performing this basic regulatory function. Today, two banks, Bank of America and Wells-Fargo are above 10 percent deposit concentration limits, and JPM Chase is close to 10 percent. Thank you for that, Fed. You're fired.
It's time to put the beast back in its cage, while taming it, by re-instating Glass Steagall, and keep it from inflicting even more danger on the rest of us. Meanwhile, we need to support all those in Washington that get this, and keep pressuring those who don't.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 14, 2009 12:51 AM
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And it is also correct that the banks are in much worse shape than they were in 2007. Why haven't they been taken over? The reason is they have changed the rules to let banks to value their shaky assets as good as gold.
They changed "mark to market" to, what they themselves call "mark to make believe" ... in other words it is a sham that allows failed banks to continue to operate.
These banks hoard money once it moves through the system because they know that they have huge losses coming. This hoarding is so big it is sucking the money needed to run the economy out of the economy.
Just two banks, Bank of America and Wells Fargo control 20% of bank deposits yet I dare anyone to declare these banks solvent.
Insolvent banks have to be reconciled where the assets match the obligations. Many smaller banks are being taken out but not these politically connected banksters and they and others are sucking our money supply dry with their hoarding.
It is time to take on these malignancies and cut them out of the system, because as Nomi said, they will take us all out, sooner with their money hoarding, or later when they implode with bad debts.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 14, 2009 2:23 AM
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By the same token, there is no way in Hell Obama will ever re-regulate the banking system. He is far to the right of Clinton--and incompetent, to boot.
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» Wrong again Perry
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» Gosh, even I had to give you a "1" on that one. I agree about Obama not reregulating the system...
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» and most people don't know that Bill did not want to sign NAFTA or the Telecom Modernization Act
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 14, 2009 5:50 AM
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I do not mean to suggest that banks should not be regulated. By all means, Glass Steagle or something like it should be restored. But something more is needed, something with more persistence than just words on a law that can easily be changed or ignored.
North Dakota may be trying to teach the rest of us a lesson by their good example. Alone among the fifty states they have a state bank. And I don't just mean a bank that is called the First Bank of North Dakota. The state of North Dakota owns and operates their state bank, and that bank makes sure that local businesses have necessary credit. In fact it makes sure that the state itself has necessary credit. In effect, this state bank is operated as a public utility.
Private banks operate in North Dakota, of course, but they have to compete with the state bank, much the way that UPS and Federal Express compete with the U.S. Post Office. More importantly, residents of North Dakota have the option of putting their money into a bank that they can trust to be operating responsibly and in the public interest. They are in no way required to put their money there and that is also a good thing, but they have the option.
By the way, among the states, North Dakota is having one of the best records in responding to the current economic difficulties. They have one of the best records on unemployment, for example. The other states would do well to study and understand what North Dakota has done. They should seriously consider doing something similar.
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Posted by: Celtic Tiger on Nov 14, 2009 6:16 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 14, 2009 7:17 AM
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Love of money is an illness, a pathology that has only one course of treatment:Charity.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Nov 14, 2009 7:49 AM
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Plus all those stadiums (stadia?) and sports arenas that had to change their names after their "sponsor" bank got swallowed up or morphed into something else.
Those signs are the only thing holding the economy up at this point!
As they told Dustin Hoffman in "The Graduate": "Plastic!"
But I can think of one industry where in the future, plastic just will not do: somebody should bring back domestic-made WIRE coathangers to cash in when Roe v. Wade is repealed!
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 14, 2009 8:17 AM
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A corporation is a legal entity whose only motivation is profit. It has no conscience. If it were an actual human it would be a sociopath.Consequently, for the good of actual people it should be restrained.
Instead, we have credit card interest rates that a generation ago were considered "loan shark" rates...usury. We have new bankruptcy laws that take property from individuals who get into financial difficulty because of illness. We have money for wars to guard pipelines ( that's the real Afganistan) but no money to mass deploy technology to remove dependence on foreign oil. And attempts to pass mandated spending by citizens on healthcare rather than a publicly funded universal plan that does not involve private profit.
The government is increasingly interfering in the lives of individuals, regulating and restricting them in numerous ways "for thier own good".
Seat belt laws, smoking restrictions, increasing road block checks, security checks in airports, camera monitoring, "smart chips" that log toll fees but also coincidently log the travel path of indivduals, and on and on.....individuals are increasingly burdened by laws as well as being socially engineered to accept the concept that government can arbitrarily legislate individual behavior.
It should be apparant to citizens what has happened.
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Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Nov 14, 2009 8:31 AM
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1945-1% had 30% of total wealth
1979-20%
33% decline
Result of Estate Tax-
70/90% Top Income Rate
28% Unearned Rate
1979-20%
1989-36%
80% Increase
WHY?
Reagan 750B Tax Cut
Reagan Void Revenue Sharing to transfer tax to middle class local taxes
Unearned to 15% from 28%
Transfer S&L assets to Wall Street.
Bush had to borrow `140 Billion to pay for it.
140B made several Billionaires.
Milken-Ichan-Perelman-Kravis
-Kohlberg-Roberts-Hearst
-Lee-Peltz-Ross-Gores--
Millions lost jobs.
Takeovers destroyed many large firms.
Reagan spend like drunk on military contracts
to enrich pals on Wall Street under guise of fighting a warm cold war.
His governorship was financed by California Defense Rich.
Bush II tried to emulate Reagan policies of enrich the rich.
He succeeded.
In 2007--1%--took 35% of Wealth Gain and 45% of Income growth from 1980.
20% owned 93% of all Financial Wealth.
80% owned 7% or equity in homes.
Forbes richest 400 shows many Hedge Fund managers who got that wealth in a five year period 2001-2005.
Vegas gambling. AIG will cover your bet.
Three Hedge Fund Managers made 4000 Million in one year and paid at 15% tax Rate.
Wall Street converted to--RICH MAN GAMBLING CASINO. undeniable.
Wall Street should create jobs for middle class.
In 8 years net new job growth was 3,000 Per Month.
Compare to Carter 218,000 and Clinton 237,000.
Wealth flushed up and jobs flushed out.
20 years of 3 conservative presidents gave us--
1000B debt to 11,500B
600B budget to 3600B
23M net new jobs
Compare to:
Carter + Clinton=2.8 MIllion Per year
3 Conservatives =1.1M per year
Involvement in 8 wARS VERSUS 2 BY cARTER & cLINTON
Nicaragu-el salvador-grenada-somalia-gulf-lebanon -iraq--afghanistan
cost in dollars plus livesplus reputation
somalia + kosovo
Conservatives gave us Great Depression now Great Recession.
Folks! This is a long long Recovery.
Want more Hell
-Re-elect Republicans.
cswinney2@triad.rr.com
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Posted by: bob-o-link on Nov 14, 2009 8:44 AM
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 14, 2009 8:54 AM
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Shall we just ban folks from doing silly things with their money? And what shall the fine or penalty be?
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» Debtors prison.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 AM
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Posted by: elaine46 on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 AM
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In the meantime, none of my retirement savings is going into the stock market. We suffered two crashes during the W administration, and I would have been much better off and a whole lot less stressed, if my modest funds had been in a fixed position. Let the rich stick it to each other on Wall Street, and they will get what they deserve.
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Posted by: tongjm on Nov 14, 2009 9:23 AM
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» If its anything like the current health care legislation, I would rather wait until we get someone..
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 14, 2009 11:18 AM
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Strangely enough Oldham is the only place where I have driven a brand new car out of the showroom - Morris Marina 1.8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ar1MJJUwGQ
Oldham's New Wealth
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 14, 2009 1:07 PM
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It's Goldman Sachs's.
They paid for it and they own it.
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Posted by: yellow on Nov 14, 2009 2:38 PM
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Economic concentration will be the consequence of recent financial policy. Debt will continue to grow. Government debt is about $12 trillion but private consumer and corporate debt brings the total to over $54 trillion. Banks are reporting record profits. Much of it is from investment operations like IPOs and Mergers and Acquisitions. The US financial sector accounts for only 8% of the US GDP but over 40% of US corporate profits.
I don't see the FED as being responsible. To focus on the FED is wrong and will render the wrong policy results for two reasons. First, the Fed's control of the money supply and its ability to expand or contract it doesn't much affect output and employment; as Keynes pointed out if no one is willing to invest there will be no borrowing, spending and job creation. Since spending isn't always sufficient to close the output gap, government stimulus is needed to create the conditions of profitable investment so that this occurs. Secondly, The crisis wasn't caused primarily by artificially low interest rates which created bubbles that deflated and crashed the economy in the process. It was more significantly caused by streams of foreign investment flowing into US financial markets creating a surplus of capital that (a)held down interest rates to allow consumer borrowing and spending and (b)supported a market for imported goods that funded foreign lending through US bond markets.
This was an institutional arrangement that the FED could not alter since global capital markets had outgrown and overwhelmed the US central bank. The Feds resources are dwarfed by those of private global capital markets. Other problems also existed like the inability to accurately price risk and overall corruption of the system but this is another topic. Extensive regulation will be needed to correct the financial maladies of the US.
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 14, 2009 2:55 PM
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Posted by: yurbud on Nov 14, 2009 3:00 PM
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find & contact your congressman & senators
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» Why? So they can blow us off once again? No, talking time is almost over.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 4:06 PM
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The biggest part of almost everyone's mortgage is the price of money--interest you have to pay to borrow bills of credit called money that is for the most part made up out of thin are through the fractional reserve banking system. This same process can be accomplished through a public agency without interest!
End the parasitism of the bankers! Why waste our money and energy regulating an industry that is an evil even when it is not floundering or belly-up in a self-orchestrated depression?
Goldman Sachs' Washington office manager gave the bankers trillions--this will never be recovered from the industry through taxation.
You gave them trillions, they gave themselves billions of dollars in bonuses. Now you want to re-regulate them? No! Time to put the banks down like the rabid, poisonous creatures that they are!
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» Have treasury take back our currency and credit, kick out all bankers from Treasury....
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Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 14, 2009 4:29 PM
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Posted by: dadanbetty on Nov 15, 2009 3:30 AM
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The hopeful news is, of course, that it doesn't have to be this way. Really! Getting off the American pigslop/pill diet,
reading some books and vastly improving one's listening and other vital communications skills such as writing and reading comprehension, could pretty much be called a panacea for the United States of America NOW! A little traveling around publicly wouldn't hurt either.
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» Eliot needs to 1st indict Silverstein
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» Question, how many did die in Silversteins building 7????
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 15, 2009 7:36 PM
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Granted they're a LOT less destructive than banks which routinely fuck-over anyone lower than upper middling class. My last year in a bank saw $8900 in "fees" (ATMs, bank charges, transfer fees, etc.) The worst credit union wrought only half that damage in the worst year.
But, damage is damage. Anyone in the financial services industry should be regulated up to their necks because in this nation money is E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G. Until the owning class starts to pay a fair livable wage for all the god damned work they suck out of workers, there will continue to be a large class of working poor form whom "banking" with a traditional bank or an FCU will be nothing short of a nightmare because of "systems" and "policies" designed to screw the living shit out of them on a daily basis.
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Posted by: bubbasbobb on Nov 15, 2009 11:16 PM
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Considering the biggest financial scam in history has just been pulled off, and the same guys control the right people in both parties, Congress, and each administration, I don't think they are in any hurry to fix anything, do you?
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Posted by: erinzmum on Nov 17, 2009 9:57 AM
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If your representatives voted in favor of Gramm-Bliley-Leach (S.900), then give 'em hell, and help boot them out of office!
Here's a link to the votes--I had to split the link into three pieces, so just delete the space between the sections:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/
roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=
1&vote=00105
Hint: Only two Dems voted to pass this piece of garbage.
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Posted by: coyotedave on Dec 1, 2009 1:49 PM
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Couldn't The administrationuse the Banks to fund there Wars....with Taxpaper money (directly)..How do they finance the War?
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Posted by: mmckinl on Nov 14, 2009 12:51 AM
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And it is also correct that the banks are in much worse shape than they were in 2007. Why haven't they been taken over? The reason is they have changed the rules to let banks to value their shaky assets as good as gold.
They changed "mark to market" to, what they themselves call "mark to make believe" ... in other words it is a sham that allows failed banks to continue to operate.
These banks hoard money once it moves through the system because they know that they have huge losses coming. This hoarding is so big it is sucking the money needed to run the economy out of the economy.
Just two banks, Bank of America and Wells Fargo control 20% of bank deposits yet I dare anyone to declare these banks solvent.
Insolvent banks have to be reconciled where the assets match the obligations. Many smaller banks are being taken out but not these politically connected banksters and they and others are sucking our money supply dry with their hoarding.
It is time to take on these malignancies and cut them out of the system, because as Nomi said, they will take us all out, sooner with their money hoarding, or later when they implode with bad debts.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Nov 14, 2009 2:23 AM
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By the same token, there is no way in Hell Obama will ever re-regulate the banking system. He is far to the right of Clinton--and incompetent, to boot.
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Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Nov 14, 2009 5:50 AM
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I do not mean to suggest that banks should not be regulated. By all means, Glass Steagle or something like it should be restored. But something more is needed, something with more persistence than just words on a law that can easily be changed or ignored.
North Dakota may be trying to teach the rest of us a lesson by their good example. Alone among the fifty states they have a state bank. And I don't just mean a bank that is called the First Bank of North Dakota. The state of North Dakota owns and operates their state bank, and that bank makes sure that local businesses have necessary credit. In fact it makes sure that the state itself has necessary credit. In effect, this state bank is operated as a public utility.
Private banks operate in North Dakota, of course, but they have to compete with the state bank, much the way that UPS and Federal Express compete with the U.S. Post Office. More importantly, residents of North Dakota have the option of putting their money into a bank that they can trust to be operating responsibly and in the public interest. They are in no way required to put their money there and that is also a good thing, but they have the option.
By the way, among the states, North Dakota is having one of the best records in responding to the current economic difficulties. They have one of the best records on unemployment, for example. The other states would do well to study and understand what North Dakota has done. They should seriously consider doing something similar.
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Posted by: Celtic Tiger on Nov 14, 2009 6:16 AM
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Posted by: weathered on Nov 14, 2009 7:17 AM
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Love of money is an illness, a pathology that has only one course of treatment:Charity.
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» Prophit0, you are an anti-semitic pig. Obviously, Goldman Sachs has nothing to do with Jewish People
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» That link doesn't have a posting by me on there??? I have never posted on a CATO site....your nuts..
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Nov 14, 2009 7:49 AM
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Plus all those stadiums (stadia?) and sports arenas that had to change their names after their "sponsor" bank got swallowed up or morphed into something else.
Those signs are the only thing holding the economy up at this point!
As they told Dustin Hoffman in "The Graduate": "Plastic!"
But I can think of one industry where in the future, plastic just will not do: somebody should bring back domestic-made WIRE coathangers to cash in when Roe v. Wade is repealed!
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Posted by: lclark on Nov 14, 2009 8:17 AM
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A corporation is a legal entity whose only motivation is profit. It has no conscience. If it were an actual human it would be a sociopath.Consequently, for the good of actual people it should be restrained.
Instead, we have credit card interest rates that a generation ago were considered "loan shark" rates...usury. We have new bankruptcy laws that take property from individuals who get into financial difficulty because of illness. We have money for wars to guard pipelines ( that's the real Afganistan) but no money to mass deploy technology to remove dependence on foreign oil. And attempts to pass mandated spending by citizens on healthcare rather than a publicly funded universal plan that does not involve private profit.
The government is increasingly interfering in the lives of individuals, regulating and restricting them in numerous ways "for thier own good".
Seat belt laws, smoking restrictions, increasing road block checks, security checks in airports, camera monitoring, "smart chips" that log toll fees but also coincidently log the travel path of indivduals, and on and on.....individuals are increasingly burdened by laws as well as being socially engineered to accept the concept that government can arbitrarily legislate individual behavior.
It should be apparant to citizens what has happened.
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Posted by: CLARENCE SWINNEY on Nov 14, 2009 8:31 AM
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1945-1% had 30% of total wealth
1979-20%
33% decline
Result of Estate Tax-
70/90% Top Income Rate
28% Unearned Rate
1979-20%
1989-36%
80% Increase
WHY?
Reagan 750B Tax Cut
Reagan Void Revenue Sharing to transfer tax to middle class local taxes
Unearned to 15% from 28%
Transfer S&L assets to Wall Street.
Bush had to borrow `140 Billion to pay for it.
140B made several Billionaires.
Milken-Ichan-Perelman-Kravis
-Kohlberg-Roberts-Hearst
-Lee-Peltz-Ross-Gores--
Millions lost jobs.
Takeovers destroyed many large firms.
Reagan spend like drunk on military contracts
to enrich pals on Wall Street under guise of fighting a warm cold war.
His governorship was financed by California Defense Rich.
Bush II tried to emulate Reagan policies of enrich the rich.
He succeeded.
In 2007--1%--took 35% of Wealth Gain and 45% of Income growth from 1980.
20% owned 93% of all Financial Wealth.
80% owned 7% or equity in homes.
Forbes richest 400 shows many Hedge Fund managers who got that wealth in a five year period 2001-2005.
Vegas gambling. AIG will cover your bet.
Three Hedge Fund Managers made 4000 Million in one year and paid at 15% tax Rate.
Wall Street converted to--RICH MAN GAMBLING CASINO. undeniable.
Wall Street should create jobs for middle class.
In 8 years net new job growth was 3,000 Per Month.
Compare to Carter 218,000 and Clinton 237,000.
Wealth flushed up and jobs flushed out.
20 years of 3 conservative presidents gave us--
1000B debt to 11,500B
600B budget to 3600B
23M net new jobs
Compare to:
Carter + Clinton=2.8 MIllion Per year
3 Conservatives =1.1M per year
Involvement in 8 wARS VERSUS 2 BY cARTER & cLINTON
Nicaragu-el salvador-grenada-somalia-gulf-lebanon -iraq--afghanistan
cost in dollars plus livesplus reputation
somalia + kosovo
Conservatives gave us Great Depression now Great Recession.
Folks! This is a long long Recovery.
Want more Hell
-Re-elect Republicans.
cswinney2@triad.rr.com
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Posted by: bob-o-link on Nov 14, 2009 8:44 AM
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Check out more at:
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Posted by: franklyspanking on Nov 14, 2009 8:54 AM
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Shall we just ban folks from doing silly things with their money? And what shall the fine or penalty be?
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» Debtors prison.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 AM
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Posted by: elaine46 on Nov 14, 2009 9:01 AM
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In the meantime, none of my retirement savings is going into the stock market. We suffered two crashes during the W administration, and I would have been much better off and a whole lot less stressed, if my modest funds had been in a fixed position. Let the rich stick it to each other on Wall Street, and they will get what they deserve.
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Posted by: tongjm on Nov 14, 2009 9:23 AM
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Nov 14, 2009 11:18 AM
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Strangely enough Oldham is the only place where I have driven a brand new car out of the showroom - Morris Marina 1.8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ar1MJJUwGQ
Oldham's New Wealth
Tony
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Nov 14, 2009 1:07 PM
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It's Goldman Sachs's.
They paid for it and they own it.
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Posted by: yellow on Nov 14, 2009 2:38 PM
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Economic concentration will be the consequence of recent financial policy. Debt will continue to grow. Government debt is about $12 trillion but private consumer and corporate debt brings the total to over $54 trillion. Banks are reporting record profits. Much of it is from investment operations like IPOs and Mergers and Acquisitions. The US financial sector accounts for only 8% of the US GDP but over 40% of US corporate profits.
I don't see the FED as being responsible. To focus on the FED is wrong and will render the wrong policy results for two reasons. First, the Fed's control of the money supply and its ability to expand or contract it doesn't much affect output and employment; as Keynes pointed out if no one is willing to invest there will be no borrowing, spending and job creation. Since spending isn't always sufficient to close the output gap, government stimulus is needed to create the conditions of profitable investment so that this occurs. Secondly, The crisis wasn't caused primarily by artificially low interest rates which created bubbles that deflated and crashed the economy in the process. It was more significantly caused by streams of foreign investment flowing into US financial markets creating a surplus of capital that (a)held down interest rates to allow consumer borrowing and spending and (b)supported a market for imported goods that funded foreign lending through US bond markets.
This was an institutional arrangement that the FED could not alter since global capital markets had outgrown and overwhelmed the US central bank. The Feds resources are dwarfed by those of private global capital markets. Other problems also existed like the inability to accurately price risk and overall corruption of the system but this is another topic. Extensive regulation will be needed to correct the financial maladies of the US.
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Posted by: eosrk on Nov 14, 2009 2:55 PM
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Posted by: yurbud on Nov 14, 2009 3:00 PM
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find & contact your congressman & senators
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» Why? So they can blow us off once again? No, talking time is almost over.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Nov 14, 2009 4:06 PM
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The biggest part of almost everyone's mortgage is the price of money--interest you have to pay to borrow bills of credit called money that is for the most part made up out of thin are through the fractional reserve banking system. This same process can be accomplished through a public agency without interest!
End the parasitism of the bankers! Why waste our money and energy regulating an industry that is an evil even when it is not floundering or belly-up in a self-orchestrated depression?
Goldman Sachs' Washington office manager gave the bankers trillions--this will never be recovered from the industry through taxation.
You gave them trillions, they gave themselves billions of dollars in bonuses. Now you want to re-regulate them? No! Time to put the banks down like the rabid, poisonous creatures that they are!
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Posted by: maxsmart on Nov 14, 2009 4:29 PM
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Posted by: dadanbetty on Nov 15, 2009 3:30 AM
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The hopeful news is, of course, that it doesn't have to be this way. Really! Getting off the American pigslop/pill diet,
reading some books and vastly improving one's listening and other vital communications skills such as writing and reading comprehension, could pretty much be called a panacea for the United States of America NOW! A little traveling around publicly wouldn't hurt either.
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» Eliot needs to 1st indict Silverstein
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» Question, how many did die in Silversteins building 7????
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 15, 2009 7:36 PM
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Granted they're a LOT less destructive than banks which routinely fuck-over anyone lower than upper middling class. My last year in a bank saw $8900 in "fees" (ATMs, bank charges, transfer fees, etc.) The worst credit union wrought only half that damage in the worst year.
But, damage is damage. Anyone in the financial services industry should be regulated up to their necks because in this nation money is E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G. Until the owning class starts to pay a fair livable wage for all the god damned work they suck out of workers, there will continue to be a large class of working poor form whom "banking" with a traditional bank or an FCU will be nothing short of a nightmare because of "systems" and "policies" designed to screw the living shit out of them on a daily basis.
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Posted by: bubbasbobb on Nov 15, 2009 11:16 PM
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Considering the biggest financial scam in history has just been pulled off, and the same guys control the right people in both parties, Congress, and each administration, I don't think they are in any hurry to fix anything, do you?
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Posted by: erinzmum on Nov 17, 2009 9:57 AM
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If your representatives voted in favor of Gramm-Bliley-Leach (S.900), then give 'em hell, and help boot them out of office!
Here's a link to the votes--I had to split the link into three pieces, so just delete the space between the sections:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/
roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=106&session=
1&vote=00105
Hint: Only two Dems voted to pass this piece of garbage.
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Posted by: coyotedave on Dec 1, 2009 1:49 PM
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Couldn't The administrationuse the Banks to fund there Wars....with Taxpaper money (directly)..How do they finance the War?
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