Earlier this year another military officer associated with psychological treatment went on a shooting spree killing five at Camp Liberty in Bagdad. He was not a muslim.

The official military bullshit, I mean story, is that this shooting is not related to post-traumatic stress disorder, but that seems like a bizarre repressed emotion. Two officers involved in treating the PTSD of soldiers went on shooting rampages within a few months of one another. The obvious connection between these two incidents will no doubt fuel, even more, the military tendency to resort to racism, ethnic hatred, and religious divisiveness by condemning Maj. Malik Nidal Hasan for his Islamic and Arabic background.

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The troops at Fort Hood are being prepared to be sent on missions of mass murder to other people's countries. Why shouldn't they be killed before they get a chance to kill for the Empire?

Moreover, actions like that of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, and the somewhat similar action by Hasan Akbar in March of 2003 at a base in Kuwait, as well as some of the other killings mentioned, have a demoralizing effect on the U.S. military, and thus weaken U.S. imperialism beyond the loss of a few soldiers or officers.

For the record, though, it should be mentioned that Hasan Akbar killed and injured only officers, not rank-and-file soldiers, and is therefore even more supportable from a left perspective.

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Cheers!

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Sixty years ago the Communist intelligence service had perfected a system of teaching that could alter a man’s entire outlook on life. The American intelligence agencies were calling it brain washing. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It was more like the brain of the subject was removed dropped on the floor a few times and put back in the skull dirty. I am not making light of this here, although it seems silly, the above becomes almost literally true when traumatic visions are produced when drugs are employed along with hypnotism to install an attitude.

L. Ron. Hubbard called these traumatic incidences "ENGRAMS". They are recorded in the subconscious so deeply that the conscious mind need not even be aware of them. The person will react when triggered with nonsense communications, entire conversations over heard or commit acts of extreme violence. Our own MK Ultra unconscious control system is excellent proof of concept. Some of us believe because that because of the irrational timing of these murders. Like those performed by Timothy McVeigh, the Columbine kids, and now this Major at hood; are symptomatic of a rogue faction of operatives with one of the alphabet agencies doing the bidding of an unknown power WITHIN the US and not any hackneyed Arab Religious Cult. The Arabian Military Forces are much more direct with their attacks than all this pussyfooting around with Mind Control.

I know there is absolutely no way to prove this paranoid theory of mine. But, it sounds a lot more sane than what is coming out of explanations offered by some Authority figure. I was in the Army I know field grade officers, some of them were real assholes but NONE of them were capable of hysterical rage. This man’s sanity was somehow compromised and no foreign agency had access to him! Q.E.D. an inside job.

That kind of crap reeks of a Rumsfeld, a Cheney, or a Michael Chertoff doing the scut work of our Corporocratic Oligarchy. I am afraid of them but they also piss me off no end. I would a thousand times rather be killed for being a wolf than a sparrow in the wind.

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the real infection took hold the day bushcon stole the election from Gore and we've been Lying to ourselves ever since.

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Your article is insightful and worthy of review by the military, the president, and all who will be prosecuting Maj. Hasan.

I will share this far and wide, but I don't hold my breath he will get a fair trial or that the public will be able to hear the voice of reason over the shouts of ignorance.

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The following is not true - the writer should know better

"And they were bested by the federal government in nearby Waco Texas, in 1993, when federal forces slaughtered some 75 men, women and children in the Branch Davidian compound."

The Branch Davidians murdered their own in the compound at Waco. They did not permit the women and children to escape, they shot some of them and they trapped the others to burn alive. Branch Davidians set the fire that killed the people. Read the fire investigators reports!

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When I first read this story, I was sympathetic to the shooter as it seemed he had reached his wits end to stop from being deployed and the military ignored him. This is typical behavior by the military as they view anyone objecting to killing as a trouble-maker, malcontent and a bad example to all others who serve. I do not condone his conduct, but I can definitely understand his frustration as deployment and this "war" was against his religious beliefs and his emotional make-up. The military will spin this in a closed court and this poor man will be crucified as an example of what will happen to anyone who dissents and has thoughts of their own.

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As a military-trained trauma psychiatrist who worked in the US Navy and VA for over thirty years and continues to work parttime with military spouses at Ft. Drum, NY, this event is larger in scope than most military home violence but otherwise not that unusual.

Generally, Iraqi and Afghani combat vets are only one-third as violent to others as 18-35 year old nonmilitary males but they are more dangerous to themselves via suicide.

We have been at war too long in places without good exit strategies. The Russians have found this out as their soldiers have been fighting in border wars for twenty-five years and their suicide and alcoholism rates are sky high.

We need to get out of these places before our Army becomes completely broken. There is no other viable solution.

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WASHINGTON (AFP)--A U.S. army psychiatrist who opened fire on fellow soldiers at Fort Hood Thursday, killing at least 11 people, had complained of harassment by his military colleagues, the man's cousin said.

"He was dealing with some harassment from his military colleagues," Nader Hasan told Fox News.

"I don't think he's ever been disenchanted with the military," he said of the shooter, who has been identified as Nidal Malik Hasan. "It was the harassment."

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Your statement that the feds slaughtered 75 in Waco is outrageous. They committed suicide, under the guidance of their messiah. Laying these people's self immolation on the government is despicable.

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Even though I agree with the shooter, in a way, that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan should end, I disagree VERY VERY STRONGLY with his means to express that viewpoint.
Killing should never be done for peace. Killing is the antithesis of liberalism and peace. Killing is evil, period.
And in any case, this attack will probably be counterproductive to the cause of ending the wars, since it will only inspire the supporters of war to advance their agenda.

Also, I read elsewhere that there is a fear among American Muslims of a backlash against them. (An American Muslim organization has strongly condemned the attack at Ft Hood.)
My comment on this, if the military can ban homosexuals from serving because of supposed loss of cohesion among those serving together, then how long before Muslims are forbidden from serving in the US military too??

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To me, there is a mix of issues here that psychlogically drove the Major to his act.

First of all, he may have had underlying issues as to his own psychology. He went into the military via the ROTC program prior to 9/11. 9/11 for someone who is of Islamic faith and Middle Eastern (Jordanian) background as he was faced serious social problems and personal conflicts with their faith, that as part of the US Military he was a tratior to 'his people'.

For years he dealt with too many soldiers psychlogically and psychicaly damaged beyond reason in useless wars we cannot win and without enough resources.

I am quite sure his bosses pushed him to get these damaged solders 'cured' quickly. The need to return solders back to their units, to meet quotas of care and to make it look like all these damaged solders were not all that bad and worst, to coverup the truth of the obscene damage done to them.

The media is reporting this morning that allegedly he had made very disturbing posts on a website and other information that may suggest he was a potential threat. Apparently he was under investigaion/watch as to his internet postings and other behaviors

Some media reports suggest that he was facing his greatest conflict of being sent to Iraq (albeit, he would be at a relatively secure base, not out on patrols and feared of fighting fellow members of his faith.

To me, the mix of his emotions, his psychology, his experiences led to something finally 'snapping' inside him and he lashed out in his horrible actions.

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Also I am linking the following- Army officer psychiatrist kills fellow soldiers yesterday. Army bio-scientist sends deadly anthrax letters in Oct 2001.

Red warning flags ALL over the place in both cases!

Is ARMY driving people crazy? If so why aren't they observing these cases earlier and taking preventive actions?

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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Yet another needless tragedy, like Luby's, where gun control restrictions allowed criminals to slaughte law abiding citizens.

It's ludicrous that the most well-trained small arms professionals in the world may not carry concealed weapons on military bases.

Had even one of Nidal's victims been armed, many lives could have been saved.

Gun control hurts honest citizens.

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I want this to continue to happen. I want WTO and Subway bombings every single day until the West realizes that islam is its antithesis. There can be no respect, coexistence, love. ‘In the end there can be only one’.

Please islam, Continue to attack the West. Do it every single day until we pull our heads out of our liberal, ‘ I love everyone’ ass’ and Hiroshima you.

How funny is it that liberals delight in white terrorist. Remember the filthy, uneducated, trailer park filth that thought they’d assassinate Obama be shooting out of the window of a car? The apologist loved it. “See it’s not just brown people”. Here we have a bunch of fucks trying to divorce the fact that this muslim committed treasonous terrorist attacks.

Death to islam.

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now look what we've got.

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This scumbag is not trying to protect your privacy; he's trying to steal your identity.

If you click on his "Privacy Center" hyperlink, the server the link points to will install a keylogger on your computer, which is used to steal your credit card number, SSN, etc.

Please, report the comment to Alternet's staff.

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Solution to Problem - Dissolve Islam and Give The World Some Needed Peace

The lust for violence that many members of Islam have that is responsible for 90 to 95% of the violence in the world today per the Weekender Australia. [source - source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]

Now, let's look in depth at some reality, the truth, Go to:

Land Theft Of Seventh Century Responsible For Middle East Problems of Today:

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And history is repeating itself daily because many Muslims still have a lust for violence and here is very recent proof of that,

In unrelated terrorism cases elsewhere around the country Thursday:

• Michael C. Finton, a 29-year-old man who idolized American-born Taliban soldier John Walker Lindh, was arrested after attempting to detonate what he thought was a bomb inside a van outside a federal courthouse in Springfield, Ill., officials said. FBI agents had infiltrated the alleged plot months ago.

• A 19-year-old Jordanian was arrested after placing what he thought was a bomb at a downtown Dallas skyscraper, federal prosecutors said. The decoy device was provided by an undercover FBI agent. Federal officials said the case against Hosam Maher Husein Smadi, who is charged with attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, is unrelated to the Illinois case.

• Two North Carolina men under arrest since July on international terrorism charges were also accused by prosecutors of plotting to kill U.S. military personnel.

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By the time you read this, more examples of their lust for violence will occur.

The only workable solution,

When Should A Religion Be Dissolved In The Interest Of World Peace?

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Now this is reality, the truth, most do NOT want to know, but I challenge anyone to find any factual errors.

Iris89

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Hi Everyone

Some blame Israel for the problem, but Islam is totally responsible – see the facts, the reality!

First, Members of Islam are responsible for all that occurs in Afghanistan and Iraq as they lit the proverbial fuse that if it had NOT been lit, none of what has occurred would have occurred. Learn the facts, go to:

Sponsors of Unprovoked Attacks and Criminal Acts Responsible For All That Occurs:

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Second, Now with respect Israel, one must consider who holds title to the land and who is occupying part of it due to wrongful conquest in the 7 th. Century by Muslim Calips. Learn the facts, go to:

Whose Land Is It? A Study of The Land of Palestine

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Third, If one wants to consider history, then here is the reality:

Islam Violent From The Beginning Forum

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Iris89

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A person who has volunteered himself into the military and then goes to law to avoid deployment into a combat area is not dealing well with reality. A person who benefits by receiving a medical education at the expense of the US government and then decides to opt out of their system (get trained and then serve) is not dealing well with reality. A mental health professional who has been working with combat-returned military suffering from PTSD and, as a result of what he's hearing from them, gets too scared to go into combat himself is not dealing well with the rigors of his job; the word "boundaries" does come to mind. WHERE WERE THIS MAN'S SUPERIORS? Their options were many, and the first should have been referral of Hasan for personal treatment because if he'd already had any as part of his training (which is, unfortunately, not universally required), he was obviously due for a refresher course. Burned out, terrified, panicky, and cracking up, Hasan should have been seen as the patient and not the doctor. I would hope to see an investigation of how his unit was being run.

And I am horrified (if not surprised) to see political and ideological muddy up the waters around this shooting event. Already last night the right-wing websites were buzzing with anti-Muslim stuff.

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Feminism 101- men kill.............

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Religious belief, especially adherence in dogmatic fundamentalist religion, is mental illness.

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Terrific piece, but I think Ames is being very careful here.

I won't be. We don't know Hasan's motive, 'though I hope we can hear the reasons from Hasan himself. ("Lone gunmen" tend not to last too long in the state of Texas.)

Perhaps his motive was as greedy and perverted and selfish -- the only terms possible in the context of current American "values" -- as it is being portrayed.

On the other hand, if his conscious motive was to kill -- knowing he too would be killed, and he will be soon enough -- to stop his personal participation in further Iraqi or Afghani bloodshed: well, I'm sorry, but imho THAT IS AN HONORABLE MOTIVE.

Of course, it all depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn't it?

Let's say:

A Major in the Revolutionary Guard of Iran -- in a self-immolating protest against the evil of the Iranian regime -- takes down a dozen or so Revolutionary Guard soldiers: how would that be played here?

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This nightmare might serve as a much needed, long overdue assessment of our volunteer military. We officially drive people crazy by making demands that are unrealistic and inhumane. How can smart, well educated people really believe that "counselling" will change a person. It doesn't and it can't. Post Traumatic Stress syndrome (formerly called battle fatigue) is not the sniffles. It doesn't go away. To believe that "counselling" will re-charge batteries and enable a soldier to go back to combat is cruel and it's crazy. The only good that can come out of this would be for the politicians and the military to realize that for years, they have been WRONG. They have a 'making do' mentality. As Rumsfeld put it, "you go to war with the army you have...". Matter of fact Don, no you don't. Our military and their families are paying too high a price for what has become a folly. A group of geniuses who are bound and determined to make something work, even though it can't. While this is fresh in their minds the top brass should sieze the moment and evaluate what they do and the way they do it. It's not working! I know it's not their job to be 'sensitive' but it is their job to get something right. It's time to put aside the massive egos and see that for 8 years they haven't been able to do that. Going back to "counselling", maybe some head shrinking is in order for the top brass. They seem to have lost sight of their responsibilities. ANNA

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1. The crazy major committed murder
2. Murder is ILLEGAL, therefore
3. The major is a criminal, subject to criminal prosecution.
All this hand wringing and speculation about his religious beliefs, the proclivities of Muslims towards violence, blah, blah, only serve to needlessly muddle the picture.
The major obviously didn't want to go to Iraq, and expressed himself in a horifying way, which indicates he probably has a screw or two loose, and will undoubtedly cop an insanity plea.
You know what? If we weren't in Iraq ILLEGALLY, (remember bush's lies justifying this brutal and illegal action?), the major wouldn't have been deployed there in the first place. This is but the latest example of how an evil perpetuated as it's being done can produce a horror like the one at Ft. Hood.
The only difference now is that it happened in the USA.

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Islam is an idea....it really has no force. Were there no islam they would have some other crazed ideology to back them up. One could just as easily say its the jews fault for all the radicalism in the judeo-christian populated countries.

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but doesn't go into any detail about why these tragic events occur. The American people have been inurred to death and destruction by a complicit MSM and governments made up of war mongers. the American soul is suffering existentially and may never recover. A country cannot hypocritically espouse humanitarian goals and then blithely do the exact opposite of its nice words. Killing and destroying is not a rational activity no matter how hard you try to explain the reasons. This poor fool had met his spiritual demise and literally went crazy. wouldn't you if you had to listen to hundreds of soldiers talk about how they blew the brains out of 5 year olds? Wake up people you are losing your country and your moral substance. You are becoming souless, conscienceless beings.

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An article from CNN with quotes from his actual patients. Points to what this article is also saying. His religion has nothing to do with it.

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there is no excuse for this murderer. he liked the military enough to collect a "six figure salary", but not enough to hold up to his end of the contract, and not honorable enough to go awol and suffer the consequences. instead he had to kill someone. he is not a "good American" as his cousin has said.

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My friends and I try our damnedest to talk any semi-intelligent, thinking, feeling acquaintance out of volunteering for ANY sort of military service in our country. This poor guys seems to have been an educated, moral man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I certainly don't condone his actions - but I can't say that I wouldn't have done the same.

The fact that the "quality" of the US Military is deteriorating, I feel, is mostly due to the fact that you can-NOT volunteer for service in this country anymore without being deployed into some god-forsaken, losing proposition of a military action. Decent people sign up, hoping to do something GOOD, something NOBLE, then get tossed into the Middle East meatgrinder. To me, his religion (or any of his other beliefs, really) makes NO difference. The Army (just like most of our US-run institutions) doesn't treat people as people; it treats them like a disposable commodity = wring out as much work and wear as you can from them, then chuck'em.

I'm just surprised that this isn't yet a DAILY occurrence on our military bases.

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You don't have to face combat to be traumatized by it. Listening to others recount their harrowing and terrifying experiences day in and day out can be terribly traumatic.

Tragically, this man did not get the help he needed to deal with the stress associated with his job.

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Tech is a giant school, and its unintended role of producing serial killers must be a fluke.

Maybe, though, Hassan "bought in" to an outsider view of himself, and had wondered what drove a (foreign student) to act like that.

and all the rest previously mentioned, Dunno.

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All pit bulls are not dangerous.

Or maybe the study of psychiatry should be banned. Licensed?

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Mark Ames writes a very insightful article.

The killing will never end as long as we, the people, continue to be complicit in these imperialist wars and in the training of individuals to kill.

The AP reported that this man shunned the shooting range. How is it possible that he, alone committed this carnage?

How do we know that the doctor was not the target, instead of the shooter and was framed because he is Muslim?

I think we should be suspicious of how the Obama administration uses this tragedy. Will they feed the panic that Muslims are on the loose and "we need to get them over there, before they get us over here", or something like that?

Anything that will help the war profiteers, I suppose.

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The murder spree is a "protest against the war"? Utter bilge. The maniac major didn't go after the war makers but enlisted men and women.

clancy

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are chomping at the bit to be sent the illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

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I was just there this past weekend visiting some family. Killeen has a bad vibe to it. It is the only place I've been here in Texas that I disliked from the get-go. It is a town that exists to serve Ft. Hood and it's soldiers, and God forbid that anybody say anything anti-war there. Billboards all up and down highway 191, lauding soldiers as heroes. Businesses with windows painted up with things like "welcome home" and "we support our troops"....I cannot imagine what it would be like to be a lonely soldier who is muslim there. The army is full of post-pubescent bullies who react violently to anything muslim or peace-based. Yes there are good people in there too, but I have three kids in the army and one in the air force, and this has been my observation concerning the dominant mindset.

Ft. Hood is the biggest army base in the world, and the army's tentacles reach in every aspect of this place. The civilians there are extra-poor, the wages are terrible, there is heavy gang activity in all the dark corners, and there is always a friendly neighborhood pawnshop just around the corner to give you $20 for the TV you ripped off from your neighbor.

I went to see family, who are shipping out to somewhere in the deep south to avoid getting deployed for the FOURTH time in five years. No wonder the AWOLs are climbing astronomically.

I'm always so glad to leave there, it's like going to visit a third-world country with a heavy military presence, and everybody is miserable. I have even gone online to see if there was some kind of terrible massacre of native people there in the past, but all I came up with was the Luby's shoot-em-up where that soldier drove his Bronco into a Luby's restaurant and shot 23 people....and let us not forget Waco just to the north. What a violent vortex, no wonder most people dislike the area. It feels fucked-up down there.

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The American military system chews it's soldiers up and spits them out. It does everything it can to deny what they have been promised if they served. We already found out that the Doctors were misdiagnosing them as not having PTSD when it was clear that they did( the military) could save money at the expense of those who could least afford it, our soldiers.

I'm sorry to say it but maybe one reason why our soldiers are being sent back to the front far too many times is a statistic set forth by actuaries that their chances of returning to collect benefits would be significantly reduced. Between exposure to the enemy and trauma of so many tours the likely hood of soldiers being maladjusted upon return could make them more prone to crime(violence) or suicide. In either case they would not get those benies that were promised.

One last thing you can not teach a soldier to hate with all their heart an enemy of some sort or another and not expect them to draw the line when it comes to one of their own. This Major was harassed because of his name and maybe his complexion even while he wore our country's uniform. It is sad when things do not get stopped before they reach this point.

While I do not condone what he has done it comes as no surprise in fact I would expect it to happen more often.

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One would think that proper grammar would account for something, especially in a headline: Focusing on Ft. Hood Killer's Beliefs Are an Easy Out to Avoid the Deeper Reasons for the Massacre.

Focusing IS, not are. Is we a nation of GW's all of a sudden?

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It is crazy to jump into Islamophobia but terrorism has been tied to the Muslims more than any other religious group. The Christos are catching up but I'm afraid the Muslims still have a lot of work to do in trying to shake off that bad trait of killing and suicide sometimes going with it. I have come across hundreds of cases where terrorists identified as Muslims would carry out their terrorist acts against other religions and the Muslim community would look the other way. That might be a strong cause for Islamophobia and the Christian, Hindu, and Jewish communities. Hasan did himself a dishonor by joining the Army in the first place. Second, the Army does a poor job of actually training and enforcing discipline against such atrocities.

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He said to many damning things as well as converted to Islam. He also had listed his nationality as Palestinian vs American at his Mosque, he may have had problems, however it also appears this was an inside terrorist attack, as he was yelling something about Allah as he was committing the murders.

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America is a very violent nation that has repeatedly used massive FORCE to maim, destory and murder those nations or people we don't like or understand, so why all the wailing when someone decides to play "Follow the Leader?"
Just ask any Native American, if you can find one.

GW Bush has murdered millions and he gets rewarded with a lush pension and makes millions a year on the side giving 'speeches.'

The only difference I see between Bush and Nasan is one of numbers.

During "Operation Desert Slaughter," Part 1 & 2, I saw dozens and dozens of Americans cheering and clapping when the Air Force was bombing the hell out of Baghdad.

So go ahead and cheer some more, America, its harvest time.

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We don't know what was going on inside his head. Maybe Islam had something to do with it, maybe not. Maybe his psychological problems were partly due to the way fellow soldiers spoke of persons of his faith - haji, sand nigger, terrorist. Maybe his dread at the idea of redeploying to Iraq was due to the fact that unlike other soldiers, he did not see his fellow Arabs as subhumans whose deaths need not even be counted. Then again, maybe not. Still, it must be hard being a Muslim in the US today, and particularly in the muslim-hating US Army. One can imagine that something has to snap, somewhere.

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The military is purely voluntary and it is not a social club. If one is patently stupid enough to join the military and accept all the educational benefits/training, and expect to NOT see any combat, then they deserve whatever happens to them.

The military is NOT a democracy. When you sign up you sign over your rights to "disagree" with your deployment. If your conscience will not allow you to take those orders then you have the right to a dishonorable discharge. You do NOT have the right to murder your fellow soldiers or officers you don't like, and even if some of them might of called you names that "hurt your feelings."

Bets are this particular lunatic is just another 'instant Jihadist' seeking virgins in heaven. And he ain't the first Muslim Jihadist in our military to do the same. The same thing happened with the nut case in the 101st Airborne when he threw a grenade in a command tent in the early days of the Iraq invasion.

Personally, I think the military MUST take stronger measures to weed these Muslim Jihadist from the ranks. And it would not be that hard to do *if* we laid political correctness aside and applied a little common sense.

Hint... if they walk around muttering "Allah Akbar!" and 'Death to Infidels" all the time that should be a clue to check and make sure that they are really playing on our team, especially high ranking officers like the Major.

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Read Voltairenet and Globalresearch about it. There is plan to miiitarize the State of NorthAmerica. The best way to carry their other plans to save banks-oil-narchotics-military actual regime.

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but the bright side is that the military is now killing each other instead of innocent civilians. Maybe this is a strange karma to rid the world of all military's.

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The article is a great contribution to the knowledge of those who'll read it.

I would however like to interject that in all the discussions about the beliefs of this killer, it's sad that the debate doesn't go further and explore the reality that underpins so much of this killing.

monotheism and the big three abrahamic sects, which if the discussion was allowed to tackle, could be seen as much of the overarching cause... if you threw out the normal psychotic episode that happens to be largely casual in these events.

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....put them on and shove my foot right up your ass!

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The day before the massacre, Hennard was eating a hamburger in a local restaurant watching the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings and, according to the manager, "When an interview with Anita Hill came on, he just went off. He started screaming, ‘You dumb bitch! You bastards opened the door for all the women!' "

As an example, I don't recall the above details being part of the public discussion of the earlier, larger Killeen Cafeteria murders. The Ft Hood murders seem to be scrutinized in far greater detail. How come?

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The Ft. Hood massacre gives a lie to Pres. Obama's oxymoron speeches that the U.S. is not at war with Islam. Of course it's at war with Islam, whose holy book the Quran tells all true believers to spread the territory ruled by Sharia by force and kill those who resist, while its god Allah promises Hell to unbelievers and paradise to jihadists. The U.S. can't remain the U.S. if it isn't at war with Islam, sorry.

Too bad the PC-minded press has tried to equate American Muslims with the Japanese Americans in WWII, and even tried to portray the mass murderer for Allah as some kind of victim, even bringing up PTSD. What a laugh, since since Maj. Hasan shouted "Allah Akbar" while gunning down American soldiers like mangy dogs, scoring points for his god and doing just what the Quran commanded him to do, ain't he the greatest. The other American Muslims can put up a show of rage, but every time they read their Qurans they know that Hasan was just taking his religion literally enough to take action, and must think Americans have the word dumb bunny stamped on their foreheads when they see the PC press at work laundering it. The stress part is that he had been raised in the West, which educated him to chuck the Quran all his life, and he showed them and finally threw it off for Allah. The Quran is a terrorist manual, sorry, and the "American Muslim community" is an oxymoron. Either they must chuck the Quran or they shouldn't be Americans. Permitting mass Muslim immigration to the West and the U.S. was and is a gigantic mistake, period, even the educated ones like Hasan, since the Quran never changes.

Where can you catch up with the history of the rise and spread and doctrines of Islam and the Quran from square one 1400 years ago online free to judge for yourself and arm your mind with facts? Try my site, it's the best, click http://go.to/islamhistory

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You know what's unfortunate is that many, especially right wing nuts, fail to look in the mirror from time to time. Introspection is a powerful tool to strengthen one's character.

Case in point, just a few months ago, US drone attacks killed hundreds of innocent civilians in Afghanistan. How many Christians and Jews in the US showed remorse? A few? They blogged about it, that’s for sure. After the first "mistake" - as the US government calls it - they continued making more and more "mistakes". The dead Afghan civilians were labeled collateral damage.

Now, you're throwing the responsibility on Muslim Americans because they "looked the other way" when terrorists attacked the US (e.g. 9/11). First, that claim is not true, just because someone chooses not to listen or not to hear, doesn't mean others aren't talking.

Second, the US has been bombing the Middle East for decades. Thousands of innocent lives were ruined and lost. When did we start seeing some outrage from non-Muslim Americas here in the US? AFTER the slaughter in Iraq had started in 2003.

Back during the first Gulf War returning troops mostly Christian (obviously in proportion with the general population) were hailed as heroes. The highway of hell in Iraq where thousands of fleeing Iraqis where incinerated was “the ugly face of war”, “s#it happens”, they said.

Just 10 months ago American made weapons, white phosphorus and bombs were dropped by the United States' "ally" on besieged Palestinians. 1400 were killed, 5000 were injured. Bush said, "We stand by Israel's right to self defense".

Now, let's reflect on that for a moment. Did this country go into a frenzy when 400 Palestinian CHILDREN were massacred? NO.
12 soldiers get shot, 40 injured and suddenly everyone's looking for a Muslim to harass or beat up.

But, all that could very well turn out to be meaningless if this major's motive turns out to be something totally unrelated to his religion.

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I have read the Qoran in 3 different translations; it says very clearly several times that a Muslim who sides with non-believers to fight against his Muslim brothers is an abomination in the eye of God and will be punished by Him.
It's therefore impossible to send US muslim soldiers to fight in a war against other muslims and not expect this kind of reaction.
Since a lot of our wars are fought against Muslims, enrolling religious Muslims in the US Army is a risky bet. Secularized Muslims are safer, but there is always the possibility they will be "born again".
I feel sorry for all the moderate Muslims in the US; this will do tremendous harm to them. On the other hand, it's not wise to take these kind of risks and expose the lives of our soldiers just out of fairness to this particular group of citizens.
Why oh why don't Muslims fight harder against fundamentalism? They suffer from it too, and still they are not doing much against it, again because they don't want to fight brothers.

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Here's a story early on from Ft. Hood. Notice the repeated references to TWO shooters and TWO different incidents?

Army: 7 dead in dual attacks at Fort Hood, Texas

WASHINGTON — The Army says seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a pair of shootings at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas. An Army spokesman at the Pentagon says the shootings began about 1:30 p.m. Thursday at a personnel and medical processing center at Fort Hood.

The spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Nathan Banks, says two shooters were apparently involved. There is no word yet on who they were, nor on identities of the dead.
Banks says the second incident took place at a theater on the sprawling base.

He says it is too soon to tell whether there is any link to battle stress or repeated deployments. The Army is suffering a record high suicide rate and other signs of stress from fighting two wars.

Several times on FOX, they brought on these retired Army brass types who commented that their sources told then their had been automatic weapon fire.. and that soldiers that had been in combat KNOW what an auto sounds like..

So what happened to the other shooters and why is the story being scrubbed to fit a narrative?

Why were we lied to about the shooter being dead for over FOUR hours, then told he just happened to be alive?

And yes, mass casualty incidents are confusing, I've been on a few, but not THAT confusing.

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is a regime of lying scum bags who serve the interests of the military industrial complex, Big Pharma, Big Energy, Big Usury, MSM, and the Insurance Mafia...

FLASH: Sources at Fort Hood reported to Mike Rivero that two privates were seeing Hasan on a professional basis for refusing deployment. Other soldiers were sent to persuade them to deploy...a fight erupted. Hasan was sent in as a mediator, shooting started and the 12 people died--one of the two soldiers was the one arrested on the golf course. Hasan was made the goat to spin the event into a anti-Moslem PR event and away from a rebellion in the ranks...This according to unconfirmed reports from inside sources to Mike Rivero who is broadcasting from whatreallyhappened.com

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the deepest it goes with out getting into psychology or spiritual analysis is,
1-we have been occupying invading and just generally irritating the the muslim/arab countries for decades.
2- christians think islam is demonic and muslims think christians are infidels.
3- every country in the entire world is completely fucking insane.

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Just as 'Big Nose' Baines took off for the District of Criminals with the remains of JFK, the bodies of the Fort Hood victims have been taken half a country away for 'autopsy'.

Apparently, no one in Texas is fit to autopsy post mortems. At Dover, where they bring our heros back home in the dead of night they can create the kind of evidence needed to fit the story.

Did Hasan look like a mass murderer on the convenience store tapes? No! He was buying cake by the gross and, aside from his ice-cream man get up, was just going through his routine of the day. It is reported that they are not showing other tapes of Hasan from this day in which he is in scrubs.

Any bets on whether he gets off the ventilator to tell his story?

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Crazy people from all types of backgrounds exist everywhere. Apparently, only Muslims are allowed to vent their anger and frustration in horribly violent ways that others are not. Religion is bullshit, and using it to propagate hatred and violence is pure evil.

What other religious faith currently is behind so much death and destruction worldwide? And the very predictable, America-hating, ultra-left "radicals", will knee-jerk defend or justify Muslim atrocities. The number one threat to a Muslim's life and well-being by far comes not from infidels, but from fellow f**king Muslims! Put that in your hypocritical pipes and smoke it!

But we'll just overlook that, because they are so oppressed and disadvantaged and trampled upon and abused compared to all the other peoples of the world. What a load of horseshit! Yet they're sitting on the richest petroleum reserves of the planet.

Just imagine if every "minority" ethnic oppressed group with a huge chip on its shoulder on the planet felt justified in waging global "jihad" in the name of their cause. The world would be a real fun place to live in, wouldn't it?

The religion IS the problem. It's a f--in' cancer, a pox on the planet. Until it is vastly reformed and there is a major attitude shift from within its own ranks, it will continue to be everyone's problem. Just wait till Al Qaida or the Taliban get nukes, let's see what kind of bs rationalizations you apologists will make then.

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that this is going to be a long drawn out war - a religious war where a Christaian nation invades and occupies a Muslim nation, a war that will never end and a war we cannot win. How can we not expect repercussions when we would pit Muslim against Muslim and not suppose they might have a change of heart.
It's not like when this country was invaded and the Europeans forced the Native Indians to fight on their side against the English, Dutch or French - at that time the Indians only hope of survival was submit or be slaughtered.

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Israel has a long history of terrorist activities, going back to the early 20th Century, yet we Americans think they are God's 'Chosen Ones.'

This criminal activity continues to this day, with the IDF regularly assisting West Bank Hasidics in the theft of Palestinian land.

Other times, Israel has savagely attacked the US, like their attacks against the USS Liberty and their involvment in the USS Cole bombing... and 9/11.

If some Muslim country had attacked a US ship, it would be a radioactive wasteland, but since it's our 'buddy' Israel, we slap them on the back and hand over hundreds of billions just in case.

Peace keepers and makers that went to Israel to try and sort out the mess were murdered by Jews, not Arabs, like Count Folke Bernadotte.

The section begins with the observation: "The terrorists came not, as later in the twentieth century, from Palestinian or Islamist groups but from the Zionist extremists of the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang..."

Andrew adds: "In March 1946, B3a [of MI5] received information from a 'reliable' source in Palestine, in 'direct contact' with the Stern Gang', that 'terrorists are now training their members for the purpose of proceeding to England to assasinate members of His Majesty's Government'.

"The wartime track record of Zionist terrorists ensured that such reports were taken seriously. In November 1944 the Stern Gang had assinated the British Minister of State in the Middle East, Lord Moyne, and Zionist extremists had made several attempts to murder the British high commissioner for Palestine, Sir Ronald MacMichael."

It is a matter of historic record that the leader of Irgun, Menachem Begin, blew up the British Palestine HQ in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem with 500 pounds of explosives packed into milk-churns. Andrew states in passing that Begin was "the future prime minister of Israel".

Irgun and the Stern Gang were, MI5 believed, planning the assasination of Ernest Bevin, who became the Labour government's foreign secretary in July 1945 for having the temerity of calling for a settlement between Jews and Arabs in Palestine.

The new book cites an intelligence report from Palestine made on August 23, 1946 - just a month after the King David Hotel bombing.

The communique states: "Irgun and Stern have decided to send five cells to London to operate in a manner similar to the IRA. To use their own words 'beat the dog in his own kennel'."

But more generally, what do we learn from this episode in history? If you want to commit terrorism then aim to become a terrorist state. And seek funding and arms from the US government by offering to act as a military base in an oil rich region.

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How many 'Bernie' Madoff's were there looting OUR money out of Wall Street and shipping that loot to Israel?

Why is the Federal Reserve controlled by Jews like the present chairman, Bernanke and the previous one, Greenspan and why are they dead set against an audit? Some money missing maybe, like 24 TRILLION?

So keep on bitching about 'Muzzie" terror while the Zionist Wrecking Crew strips this country clean.

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The Puritan paradigm of perfectible humanity plays a role in the deliciousness of scandal, and also creates a climate that when trouble cannot be corrected, most people would prefer to avoid dealing with it at all than to face the possibility of failure to do so, which is also "a fall from grace".

In instances such as but not limited to this scandal, it allows for shock and distress as well as the gleeful fall from greatness brought about by personal lapses, which tends to reiterate the Puritan view of perfection or nothing.

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For all you uber-liberals the exit door is always there and don't let it hit you on the way out. The Ft. Hood psycho shooter is a muslim terrorist plain and simple. Our politically correct military establishment just dropped the ball on court-martialing him or dishonorably discharging him. And now we have 13 more dead american solders for it.

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Tell you what I'd do with your shoes....

....put them on and shove my foot right up your ass!

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misconstrued by Ames as being the government's fault whereas mass suicide is better description of 1993 events. also I miissed the ax Ames was trying to grind about 1971. Two big lessons from Ft Hood massacre I am trying to to take is the 1) internal conflict Muslims in the American military face and 2) Why Obama should not increase the troop levels in Afghanistan. Maj. Hasan joined the military circa 1988 for the benefits the military has to offer during the Cold War. Once our enemy switched from Eurasia to Islamia (1984 reference) and especially after 2001 Maj Hasan was torn between two masters, his occuption and his religion. He was allegedly hassled for is religion meanwhile who could not leave the service nor prevent his posting to Iran. During world War II Japanese American like Senator Inouye were allowed to serve but only in Europe. I hope the Defense Department considers posting Muslims only to non Muslim areas like Europe Korea, or Latin America if the soldier requests it. Secondly I deeply hope that Obama takes this massacres as indictive of the toll the military has been asked due to Iraq and Afghanistan. It is time for the peace dividend delayed 20 years ago by the intervention in Gulf war followed by 18 years of non stop intervention in Iraq. We can afford health care for all Americans if we don't send more troops, bombs and missiles to Afghanistan. Obamas has the chance to change the mission of our nation from having the best military in the world to having the best health care in the world but we cannot afford 40,000 more troops in Afghanistan at million dollars a day per soldier.

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The quote US Military unquote appears to be a dumping ground for assorted misfits, psychotics and misguided "patriotic" types, since it is all volunteer. Really, how bad must your life be to volunteer to have your ass shot at in some country you probably hardly heard of? Sorry, but I have little sympathy for the shooter OR the victims.

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I am really disturbed by the Far Right and Center Right comments on this incident--Particularly on HufPost. They are accusing the shooter as being deranged, a madman, a domestic terrorist, a religious fanatic, and a Muslim. All, and those feeding into this, have missed the entire point. I realize they are pushing the fearmongering button again, and I am tired of that as well. This man did not want to be deployed to an "illegal war" zone. He did not believe in the Imperial US goals in the Middle East which puts him as a CO. He made all efforts to follow the chain of command and be released from the military and was ignored. Most knew he had strong views against the war and what was occurring to the veterans and that was also ignored. All else failing, he took legal action and that too was ignored. He was being forced to do what he was against morally. All the warning signs were there and they were ignored. I do not condone what he did by any means but it seems clear by his conduct, he felt he had no other option and had made peace with himself for what he was about to do. Ft. Hood had a history of horrible acts of violence against each other, civilians, wives and children and this is not the most outrageous although the MSM would have us believe otherwise. The military is broken. These "wars" are breaking those who serve, those left behind, and this country as a whole. This poor man is the latest example. His collateral damage is the result of Imperial dreams.

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This guy killed U.S. soldiers because he considered them enemies of the Muslim religion. Period. Anything else is politically correct horse shit. Read the Koran and the Hadiths and see for yourselves.
I consider all religion the ultimate in stupidity. Having studied Islam, I find it ,in addition to stupid, to be extremely violent and an ideology of conquest and intolerance. If we are too chicken shit to call it what it is nothing will change. Islaqm is incompatible with human rights, just look at any Muslim country for proof. Fuck this Stone Age bullshit ideology and the camel it rode in on.

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The Quran does not tell Muslims to hurt non Muslims. This guy is nuts, not to excuse him. But there are Muslim nuts.. hundreds or may be thousands. But there are 1.3 billion muslim in this world. I mean the radicals are about .000001 as a percent.
Do not forget the oppression, torture, misery most Muslim live under.
It is impossible to change some peoples views. Every thing that can be said about muslims will go through a filter of prejudice.
I am Muslim. I am an observant muslim but have no desire to hurt anybody. When Jews escaped persecutioni Europe, many found refuge among Muslims in Turkey and Morocco. The prophet Mohammad formed an alliance with Christians and Jews. There are large Christians (such as copts in Egypt) minorities who lived in Muslim countries forever. They did not kill them. according to the commonly accepted narrative about Muslims.
You are reading Translation of the Quran, many are deliberately distorted to enforce Anti Muslim "Narrative" about Islam propagated by people who colonized Africa and Mideast to "educate" Muslims. Many Quranic citations taken out of context. Of course there Muslim criminals and crazies like all other groups. But the Quran did not tell me to kill my American friends, I lived here for twenty five years. I wish my Non muslim friends happy holiday each Christmas. I go to their homes, door to door. A couple of million Muslims live in the US. My Father in law was a proud Marine. Two Hundred of us died in the 9/11 WTC attack. Tens of us joined the military after 9/11 and many died for America. Stop the prejudice. It does not help.

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the larger issue here is that ONCE AGAIN warnings/signals/signs were noticed but IGNORED (9/11 ANYONE????)

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Final word, this book is full of calls to violence. It is not a religion of peace.

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For the ignoramus who denied that the Qoran prohibits Muslims siding with Nazranis (Christians) against their muslim brothers, here is a quote by Hasan from a presentation he made about Muslims in the US army:

"Muslim Soldiers should not serve in any capacity that renders them at risk to hurting/killing believers unjustly".

A minimum of information about the Qoran, the sharia, the sunnis and the shias, the salafis and the wahabites etc. is useful to understand the mindset of people like Hasan. This man got in touch with a fundamentalist preacher at his mosque in 2008, his religion was paramount to him. How come you don't see any references to the Qoran in newspapers' articles dealing with this attack?

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Nidal is an idiot. And you would obviously pick the interpretation that fits your bigoted view of Islam. What authority is he in Islam? The grand Mufti? The Atatollah? Shaihk Alahar? the Pope?
I am Muslim. I did not do anysuch thing. Or think it. there hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslims
Stop the idiotic stereotype.

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Since there is no doubt about the fact that this man is the shooter, and that he has killed 13 of his own comrades, the only discussion about him should be what caliber of bullet should be used to shoot him in the head.

Why someone didn't finish the guy off as he lay on the ground is beyond me. Hopefully they wanted to devise some extremely painful way to kill him, perhaps the local Native Americans can devise something from ancient tribal rituals. I have heard the Apache were extremely good at it.

I don't care what religion he is, or what his problems were. Neither should excuse his actions, and if he claims insanity, then kill him to cure him.

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[b]Some falsely accuse me of recommending murder which is an outright lie.

WRONG, I am NOT talking about murdering anyone, but using education to remove their brainwashed condition. Obviously you are unaware of the fact that, [/b]

Discourse on God (YHWH) is Love:

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. (American Standard Version; ASV)

All of God's (YHWH's) attributes are outstanding, perfect, and appealing. But the most endearing quality of God (YHWH) is love. Nothing else can draw so strongly to God (YHWH) as his love. Happily, love is also his dominant quality. Now how do we know that?

The Bible says something about love that it never does about his other attributes. The scriptures never say that God (YHWH) is power or that God (YHWH) is justice or even that God (YHWH) is wisdom; although he possess all these attributes. He, in fact, is the ultimate source of all three.

However, with respect love, something more profound is said at 1 John 4:8, quoted before, "God is love." Yes, love runs very deeply in God (YHWH). It is his very essence or nature.

We might consider it this way (1) God's (YHWH's) power enables him to act; (2) His justice and wisdom guide the way he acts; but most important, his love is always reflected in the way he uses his other attributes.

He is the very personification of love. Therefore, True Christians want to learn about God (YHWH). Now let's consider some of the aspects of God's (YHWH's) matchless love.

His greatest act of love was sending his only begotten Son, the first of creation per Colossians 1:15, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature." (Authorized King James Bible; AV), to suffer and die for us. This can safely be said to be the greatest act of love in all history. Why is this?

The Bible as previously quoted at Colossians 1:15, says, "the firstborn of every creature;" Just think the Creator, God's (YHWH's) Son who was in existence before the physical universe, but not before God (YHWH) who had no beginning, can you imagine. How long before the universe was created was Jesus (Yeshua) created, the Bible does not state. This son had for untold times served as God's (YHWH's) 'master worker' per Proverbs 8:30, "Then I was beside Him, {as} a master workman; And I was daily {His} delight, Rejoicing always before Him, " (ASV); and John 1:3, "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being." (ASV), thus God (YHWH) and his Son worked together to bring all else into existence.

Therefore they had a very strong bond; they are united by the strongest bond of love ever known. Nevertheless, God (YHWH) sent his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) to earth to be born as a human. This was a great sacrifice of love on his part, and on one occasion he spoke fro heaven saying, Matthew 3:17, "and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.." (ASV).

While on earth, Jesus (Yeshua) faithfully carried out his Father's (YHWH's) directions. Yet, he let his Son be betrayed, and executed to fulfill prophecy, and be for a period no longer in existence. Since God (YHWH) has feelings, the pain he must have suffered over the death of his Son is beyond the power of our words to express. Why did he permit this to happen? This is revealed as an act of great love for mankind at John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life." (ASV). So God's (YHWH's) motives amounted to pure love. No greater love has ever been shown.

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Now, how can we tell who are the faithful footstep followers of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ? Easily by their example of love. As Jesus (Yeshua) testified to at Matthew 5:43-44, "Ye have heard that it was said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy: 44 but I say unto you, love your enemies, and pray for them that persecute you;" (ASV); And at, Matthew 22:39, "And a second like [unto it] is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." (ASV): and at Mark 12:31, "The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these" (ASV); And at Luke 6:27, "But I say unto you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you," (ASV).

Thus those doing these things are the faithful footstep followers of Jesus (Yeshua) God's (YHWH's) only begotten Son, second only to God (HYWH) [not coequal] in heaven after his Father (YHWH) resurrected him as affirmed at 1 Corinthians 15:3-8, "For I delivered unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 and that he was buried; and that he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures; 5 and that he appeared to Cephas; then to the twelve; 6 then he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain until now, but some are fallen asleep; 7 then he appeared to James; then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to the [child] untimely born, he appeared to me also." (ASV).

Clearly, then, if any group hates, persecutes, and kills others, it is NOT of God (YHWH) since it has been shown, "for God is love"; therefore, it is of God's (YHWH's) arch enemy as shown at 2 Corinthians 4:4, "in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn [upon them]." (ASV).

Now the choice is each persons, do we go to God's (YHWH's) side and take on his chief attribute of love or do we attach ourselves to a group that has hated, persecuted, and killed others without just cause, i.e., a group belonging to the god of this system. Only you can make that choice for yourself.

APPENDIX:

(1) "[RATSACH] is a purely Hebrew term. It has no clear cognate in any of the contemporary tongues. The root occurs thirty -eight times in the OT, with fourteen occurrences in Num 35. The initial use of the root appears in the Ten Commandments (Exo 20:13). In that important text it appears in the
simple Qal stem with the negative adverb, "You shall not murder, " being a more precise reading than the too-general KJV "thou shalt not kill." Much has been made of the fact that the root r¹faµ appears in the Mosaic legislation, as though this term bore a special connotation of premeditation, as though the Decalogue only proscribed premeditated crime.

This is not the case, The many occurrences in Num 35 deal with the organization of the six cities of refuge to which manslayers who killed a person accidentally could flee. Numbers 35:11 makes completely clear that the refuge was for those guilty of unpremeditated, accidental killings.

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This makes clear that [RATSACH] applies equally to both cases of premeditated murder and killings as a result of any other circumstances, what English Common Law has called, "man slaughter." The root also describes killing for revenge (Num 35:27, 30) and assassination (2Kings 6:32). It appears in a few poetic contexts, as an "A" word in a peculiar parallel construction (Job 24:14); as an "A" word parallel to a general term for immorality, zimma (Hos 6:9); as a "B" word parallel to another synonym "to kill, " "to slay" (Psa 94:6). In only one case in the whole OT is the root used of the killing of man by an animal (Prov 22:13). But even in that context it is the enormity and horror of the deed which is primary. In all other cases of the use of [RATSACH], it is man's crime against man and God's censure of it which is uppermost. W.W."

* Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, Harris. L. R, Archer G.L, Waltke B. K, 1980

(2) A comparison of several versions of the Bible gives the following is the result.

Ex. 20:13
Murder: CEV ESV TEV GW LITV NASB MSG NWT NIV NKJV NLT NRSV WEB,
Rotherham, YLT, Byington, Goodspeed, ISR, Concordant

Kill: Darby, KJ21, KJV, MKJV, NJB, RSV, NET, Brenton, AKJV, RNKJV,
Revised Webster,

Mark 10:19
Murder: CEV HCSB EMTV ESV TEV GW LITV NASB MSG NET NWT NIV NKJV NLT
NRSV WEB Weymouth Montgomery, 21st Century NT, Rotherham, YLT,
Byington, Goodspeed, Christian Bible, Concordant

Kill: Darby, Diaglott, KJ21, KJV, MKJV, NJB, RSV, AKJV, Murdoch,
RNKJV, RVIC, Revised Webster, 20th Century NT,

It seems the MURDERS have it, and the NET Bible seems to be
inconsistent as it moves from the Exodus (kill) to the NT (murder).

(3) In an essay on capitol punishment talk show host and Jewish theologian Dennis Prager highlighted the difference between "murder" and the broader term of "killing". He wrote: "As William F. Buckley Jr. has argued, if capitol punishment is state murder, then imprisonment is state kidnapping. Many opponents of capitol punishment claim not to grasp the moral distinction between the murder of an innocent person and the execution of a murderer. This reductionist mode of thinking (moral equivalence) has come to dominate opposition to capitol punishment. thus, the head of Amnesty International-USA has called the United
States "a serial killer" because it executes murderers. To put it succinctly, this claim that the murder of an innocent and the execution of the murderer are morally equivalent because they both involve taking a life is as morally perverse as a claim that rape and lovemakeing are morally equivalent because both involve sexual intercourse. (That some prominent radical feminists, such as Andrea Dworkin, make such a claim doesn't diminish its moral perversity, it only illustrates the prevalence of moral equivalence and moral illiteracy in our time.)" While I don't agree with them, I can see how a soldier that is a member of Christendom might seek to justify the killing of Saddam and his thugs. But how do they justify or rationalize the killing of innocent men women and children who get caught in the crossfire or are mistaken as the enemy? I've asked people before that tried to rationalize military service which army would Jesus or the Apostles join if they were on earth today? Christians are to follow Christ example. As someone wanting to follow his footsteps as close as possable I need to know so I can sign up. I never have received an
answer.

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I have no hate for anyone, only for evil false beliefs, for details, see the following,

Showing Love By Exposure of False Religion and Doctrine:

INTRODUCTION:

It is a genuine (true) follower of Jesus (Yeshua) obligation to warn all about false religion and doctrine. All genuine (true) followers should show love to all by exposing false doctrine so they have an opportunity to get in good standing with Jesus (Yeshua) and his Father, Almighty God (YHWH) per John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but by me." (American Standard Version; ASV); and this in keeping with what Jesus (Yeshua) said at Matthew 22:37-40, "And he said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second like unto it is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40 On these two commandments the whole law hangeth, and the prophets." (ASV).

Exposure of false religion and doctrines would of course include the exposure of false religious books that many claim falsely came from the true God (YHWH) of Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, and Jacob, creator of all there is, Almighty God (YHWH) by an angel or some other medium including ones that are a knockoff of the Bible. To understand why, let's look at what the Bible actually is. It is NOT the product of one committee or strongman. It has over 40 individual writers who wrote under divine inspiration/guidance putting the thoughts of God (YHWH) into the words of men much as transcribing secretaries today taking transcription and then later typing it out. In other words one real author, God (YHWH), and many scribes each of whom wrote in his own style over a period of approximately 1,600 years. All of what people call or consider inconsistencies are really not such, but most often just a problem of translation and/or understanding, i.e., lack of understanding of what the original writer writing in his own language and culture meant/said in his original writing. What is remarkable, is the writers over such a period of time all wrote in harmony when even most posters on threads on this forum can not even stay on track or subject over a period of a few days and/or weeks at most with the original subject of the thread. This fact of harmony over a period so great as to almost stagger the imagination shows that it had one guiding force or author who divinely inspired its writers as humans of their own volition can not keep on track over short periods of time.


To wit, the Bible is the ONLY book God (YHWH) ever inspired men to write as his scribes. In other words, God is its author and men only put his thoughts given to them by divine inspiration into their own words, the words of men. Not only that, all the other writers of later so called religious guidance books borrowed from it and made changes in accord with their strong man or so called prophet. Take the example of Joseph Smith who borrowed from it to write the Book of Mormon, but failed to give credit or source to the Bible and twisted some borrowed things into bizarre distortions. Other examples are of course the bizarre writings of David Koresh the Prophet of the Branch Dividians of Waco, Texas; and the Quran, etc.

WHY EXPOSURE IS NECESSARY AND LOVING:

Now all need to be showing love to their neighbors including Jews and telling them of the first step toward salvation given at John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (AV). Messages of hate assist no one in learning the truth per John 8:32, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Authorized King James Bible; AV).

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With respect post of exposure of false religions, doctrine, traditions, etc., they have a worthy objective; to wit, enabling individuals to correct their wrong path. Articles of exposure of wrong are NOT ones of hate, as are many of others, but ones that expose false doctrine and wrong practice to lovingly give all the correct information so they can bring their life in harmony with the will of Jesus (Yeshua) Christ and his Father, Almighty God (YHWH). All should read these articles instead of writing hate literature and articles making false accusations. In any article I write you will find not one word of hate or bashing, only truth. They are posted to assist all in knowing the truth, per John 8:32, and to assist all in making a change in their lives by getting out of groups and/or religions that practice false doctrine and wrong practices.

All need to learn about love and that includes warning others with respect false doctrine and wrong practices instead of thinking of hate as many do and attacking the messenger who brings them the truth. One writer wrote,
[quote] Love is patient and is kind, love does not envy. Love does not brag, is not proud, does not behave itself inappropriately, does not seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil. does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth. bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things... I Corinthians 13

Love is the power of faith. Faith needs love to be made perfect, because perfect faith results in faithfullness and faithfullness is a work of love. Faith and love go hand in hand because faith wants to believe, just as love trusts, faith sees through the darkness and weathers the storm, just as love endures all things, and faith seeks to put God first just as love always gives. 1 Corinthians 13 :4-7 Our faith is not just knowledge about God but a personal relationship with Him as Lord, and any relationship requires love to succeed, to endure trials and to grow, including our relationships with one another because we are called to be family in the Lord and to love one another. The perfect example of faith powered by love is seen in the life of Jesus Christ, who manifests Gods love ...
Because love is the power of faith we should focus on love, seize it and cultivate it... and we can because God is love, and He imparts that love to us when we draw near to Him as the scripture says... whatever touches what is holy shall become holy Leviticus 6:27, and love is of the Holy Spirit. By faith we draw near to God through sincere prayer, entering into His presence, because when Jesus died on the cross, the temple curtain separating God and man was torn in two from top to bottom... Mathew 27:51 Gods promise says that if we draw near to Him then He will draw near to us, James 4:8 and when He who is Holy draws near to us then our spirits are sanctified by His Holy Spirit as His holiness is imparted to our spirits. If we allow God to fill our hearts with His Holy Spirit then we are filled with the love of God because love is the pre-eminate characteristic of God's holiness. Because God is the source of our love, love is the fruit of faith... Galatians 5: 22
When we submit to the love of God we have combined faith with love and have the power to fulfill the royal law, which is to love the Lord with all our heart, mind and soul... Mathew 22:37-39 If we keep the royal law James 2:8 we are being faithful and are perfecting faith by faithfullness... James 2:22 If we love God we will seek to please Him and keep the royal law because the royal law embraces Gods will and all of His commandments. Without love we can't fulfill the royal law because we can't love the Lord unless we have love.

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To manifest the love of God is to overcome sin, whereas to not manifest the love of God is to sin. For the royal law is not to know about the Lord, but to love the Lord... and to love one another as ourselves. We can't do one without the other, because we can't truly love God whom we can't see if we don't love mankind who is made in the image of God. When we love one another we are manifesting our love for God whom we can't see by loving His image. If we love one another then we also love God because we can't love the reflection without loving its source. And if we love God we will love Jesus Christ and allow Him to reign in our hearts, keepings all of His commandments John 14:21 by subduing the will and power of the flesh through the power of the Holy Spirit, so that faith working through love does the will of God by turning the thought into reality which pleases Him and fulfills the royal law...
Faith without love is incomplete, residing only in the mind as knowledge, and knowledge of Gods will alone can not perfect us by saving us from sin but allowing Jesus Christ to reign in our hearts. If knowledge of Gods will alone could save us then salvation would have been through the law of Moses or even a Christian law handed down by Jesus, and there would not have been any need for Christ to die for our sins Galatians 2:21 and dwell in our hearts. If Jesus reigns in our hearts then the love of Christ also reigns because He is the manifestation of Gods love. The heart without the love of God does not have Jesus Christ and the soul without the Spirit of Christ is not born again Romans 8:9 and cannot be perfected by being transformed into the likeness of Jesus Christ which is true salvation and the result of faith. But the soul which manifests the love of God has been washed clean by the Holy Spirit Romans 15:16 and manifests the spirit and glory of Jesus Christ... "[source - Simon Strahler][/quote]

Which does a very good job of summarizing what love is all about.

CONCLUSION:

If one fails to lovingly warn others with respect false religion, doctrine, etc., it is quite possible Almighty God (YHWH) might reject him/her for not showing love by warning his/her neighbor. So be diligent in sounding the warning.

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Islam Totally Responsible Because Many Imams Promote A Lust For Violence

Do NOT feel sorry for the Muslim who loves violence as many do that murdered 13 innocent people and will get a trial, something that he never gave his victims. Feel sorry for his victims who are in no way responsible because he listened to Muslim religious leaders, one of which was Imam Faizul Khan who once lead a mosque in Silver Spring, Md; to wit, Islam is to blame and have as of this date NOT excommunicated this Imam so they are responsible for all.

First, He, the murder bent major, was clearly allied with Muslim violence as shown by what he screamed, "Allahu akbar!" (Means in Arabic that Allah is great) pulled out two guns and opened fire on dozens of fellow soldiers" [Source - The Los Angeles Times, retrieved from
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Second, the groups seeking to remove peace from the earth are almost all members of Islam. In fact, one Australian newspaper defined this as 90 to 95% of the violence in the world. "Did you know that 90-95% of the conflicts in the world today are Muslims fighting non-muslims or each other? " [source - The Weekend Australian, November 26-27, 2005 AD]"

Third, With respect Muslim violence, for details, go to,

Sponsors of Unprovoked Attacks and Criminal Acts Responsible For All That Occurs:

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And,

Blood, Blood, and More Blood, the Story of Islam:

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And,

The Sponsors of Unprovoked Attacks and Criminal Acts Responsible For All That Occurs: the Palestine situation in Gaza.

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And,

The Sponsors of Unprovoked Attacks and Criminal Acts Responsible For All That Occurs: the Palestine situation in Gaza.

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And,

Important Information To Pass On With Respect To Lack Of World Peace

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And,

CONSPIRACY THEORIES THE BANE OF TRUTH

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And my entire forum on the subject at,

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Third, The only solution to make the world at least 90% more peaceable,

When Should A Religion Be Dissolved In The Interest Of World Peace?

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And my entire forum on the subject at,

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The only solution to make the world at least 90% more peaceable,

When Should A Religion Be Dissolved In The Interest Of World Peace?

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