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McKibben Versus Hedges' Clash of Worldviews: How Do We Solve the Environmental Crisis?
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Editor's Note: The following two articles below by Bill McKibben and Chris Hedges illustrate a key point of debate in thinking about how to solve our environmental crisis. Environmental activist and writer McKibben, in YES! Magazine on October 15, writes that we can't let the atmosphere contain more than 350 million parts per million of carbon dioxide, or else face total environmental catastrophe, problem being that we've already passed this number. He's helped organize a day of action on October 24 to push and make it happen. Chris Hedges' response in TruthDig channels the radical thinking of Derek Jensen and argues that there is no possible way to address the release of carbon dioxide without addressing the way industrial society without addressing corporate power: "The reason the ecosystem is dying is not because we still have a dryer in our basement. It is because corporations look at everything, from human beings to the natural environment, as exploitable commodities. It is because consumption is the engine of corporate profits." A very important debate, arguably on potentially the most important issue of our lives --
350: The Most Important Number in the World
by Bill McKibben, YES! Magazine
Let’s say you occasionally despair for the future of the planet. In that case, the place you need to be this week is the website for 350.org.
Every few minutes, something new arrives at our headquarters, where young people hunched over laptops do their best to keep up with the pace. News that activists in Afghanistan—Afghanistan—have organized a rally for our big day of action on October 24. They’ll assemble on a hillside 20 kilometers from Kabul to write a huge message in the sand: “Let Us Live: 350.”
Or news that there’s all of a sudden a 350 website in Farsi to help organize the rallies taking shape across Iran. Or maybe a short story exactly 350 words long from the great writer Barry Lopez. Or the news flash that the World Council of Churches has endorsed the 350 target, and is urging its 650 million members to ring their bells 350 times on October 24. Or…
But wait—what’s 350? It’s the most important number in the world, though no one knew it even 20 months ago. When Arctic ice melted so dramatically in the summer of 2007, scientists realized that global warming was no longer a future threat but a very present crisis. Within months our leading climatologists—especially the NASA team led by James Hansen—were giving us a stark new reality check. Above 350 parts per million carbon dioxide, they wrote, the atmosphere would begin to heat too much for us to have a planet “similar to the one on which civilization developed and to which life on earth is adapted.”
That was terrible news. We’re already at 390 parts per million, and rising two parts per million per year. That’s why the Arctic is melting, why deserts are spreading, why the Himalayas are melting. And it’s why we need much faster action than most big governments are currently planning. They’re focused on old, out-of-date targets: 450 ppm, say, which would allow a slower and easier transition to a post fossil-fuel society. But the research is clear that it’s suicidal. Earlier this month, for instance, the journal Science reported on a landmark new study, which showed that when carbon levels got that high in the past, sea levels rose 75 to 120 feet.
So here’s the good news. The planet’s immune system is finally kicking in. When we started organizing 350.org 18 months ago, the task seemed a little ludicrous—we were a small band, mostly recent college graduates, with little money. How were we going to get the world behind an arcane piece of scientific data?
But it turns out that everywhere around the world there are people deeply worried about the planet’s fate, and given even a small platform to stand, on they’re willing to shout their loudest. At this writing, activists have scheduled events in about 170 nations, which is pretty much all the nations there are. (Nothing in North Korea yet). There will be thousands and thousands of rallies: bike rides that cover 350 kilometers, climbers high on the melting slopes of Mount Everest, even the cabinet of the government of the Maldives holding an official underwater meeting to send a 350 resolution to the upcoming climate talks in Copenhagen.
Some of these actions are so beautiful they make you weep: around the dwindling Dead Sea, Israeli activists will form a giant human 3 on their shore, and Palestinians a 5 on their beach, and in Jordan a huge 0. The message: even in places with deep divisions, people understand that the crisis that faces us now calls for real unity.
You’re a part of this planet. Feel good about the rippling message now going out around the earth: if we shout it loud enough, even our leaders will hear. Already 92 nations have endorsed a 350 target (albeit the poorest countries on Earth). But we need you involved, too. Right now: figure out an action to join on October 24, or start one of your own. And use your email address book to send out an alert—in a wired age, you can be a useful Paul Revere. Or, to go back to my earlier metaphor, if the earth has an immune system, then you’re an antibody. Get to work!
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A Reality Check From the Brink of Extinction
by Chris Hedges, TruthDig
We can join Bill McKibben on Oct. 24 in nationwide protests over rising carbon emissions. We can cut our consumption of fossil fuels. We can use less water. We can banish plastic bags. We can install compact fluorescent light bulbs. We can compost in our backyard. But unless we dismantle the corporate state, all those actions will be just as ineffective as the Ghost Dance shirts donned by native American warriors to protect themselves from the bullets of white soldiers at Wounded Knee.
"If we all wait for the great, glorious revolution there won't be anything left," author and environmental activist Derrick Jensen told me when I interviewed him in a phone call to his home in California. "If all we do is reform work, this culture will grind away. This work is necessary, but not sufficient. We need to use whatever means are necessary to stop this culture from killing the planet. We need to target and take down the industrial infrastructure that is systematically dismembering the planet. Industrial civilization is functionally incompatible with life on the planet, and is murdering the planet. We need to do whatever is necessary to stop this."
The oil and natural gas industry, the coal industry, arms and weapons manufacturers, industrial farms, deforestation industries, the automotive industry and chemical plants will not willingly accept their own extinction. They are indifferent to the looming human catastrophe. We will not significantly reduce carbon emissions by drying our laundry in the backyard and naively trusting the power elite. The corporations will continue to cannibalize the planet for the sake of money. They must be halted by organized and militant forms of resistance. The crisis of global heating is a social problem. It requires a social response.
The United States, after rejecting the Kyoto Protocol, went on to increase its carbon emissions by 20 percent from 1990 levels. The European Union countries during the same period reduced their emissions by 2 percent. But the recent climate negotiations in Bangkok, designed to lead to a deal in Copenhagen in December, have scuttled even the tepid response of Kyoto. Kyoto is dead. The EU, like the United States, will no longer abide by binding targets for emission reductions. Countries will unilaterally decide how much to cut. They will submit their plans to international monitoring. And while Kyoto put the burden of responsibility on the industrialized nations that created the climate crisis, the new plan treats all countries the same. It is a huge step backward.
"All of the so-called solutions to global warming take industrial capitalism as a given," said Jensen, who wrote "Endgame" and "The Culture of Make Believe." "The natural world is supposed to conform to industrial capitalism. This is insane. It is out of touch with physical reality. What's real is real. Any social system--it does not matter if we are talking about industrial capitalism or an indigenous Tolowa people--their way of life, is dependent upon a real, physical world. Without a real, physical world you don't have anything. When you separate yourself from the real world you start to hallucinate. You believe the machines are more real than real life. How many machines are within 10 feet of you and how many wild animals are within a hundred yards? How many machines do you have a daily relationship with? We have forgotten what is real."
The latest studies show polar ice caps are melting at a record rate and that within a decade the Arctic will be an open sea during summers. This does not give us much time. White ice and snow reflect 80 percent of sunlight back to space, while dark water reflects only 20 percent, absorbing a much larger heat load. Scientists warn that the loss of the ice will dramatically change winds and sea currents around the world. And the rapidly melting permafrost is unleashing methane chimneys from the ocean floor along the Russian coastline. Methane is a greenhouse gas 25 times more toxic than carbon dioxide, and some scientists have speculated that the release of huge quantities of methane into the atmosphere could asphyxiate the human species. The rising sea levels, which will swallow countries such as Bangladesh and the Marshall Islands and turn cities like New Orleans into a new Atlantis, will combine with severe droughts, horrific storms and flooding to eventually dislocate over a billion people. The effects will be suffering, disease and death on a scale unseen in human history.
We can save groves of trees, protect endangered species and clean up rivers, all of which is good, but to leave the corporations unchallenged would mean our efforts would be wasted. These personal adjustments and environmental crusades can too easily become a badge of moral purity, an excuse for inaction. They can absolve us from the harder task of confronting the power of corporations.
The damage to the environment by human households is minuscule next to the damage done by corporations. Municipalities and individuals use 10 percent of the nation's water while the other 90 percent is consumed by agriculture and industry. Individual consumption of energy accounts for about a quarter of all energy consumption; the other 75 percent is consumed by corporations. Municipal waste accounts for only 3 percent of total waste production in the United States. We can, and should, live more simply, but it will not be enough if we do not radically transform the economic structure of the industrial world.
"If your food comes from the grocery store and your water from a tap you will defend to the death the system that brings these to you because your life depends on it," said Jensen, who is holding workshops around the country called Deep Green Resistance [click here and here] to build a militant resistance movement. "If your food comes from a land base and if your water comes from a river you will defend to the death these systems. In any abusive system, whether we are talking about an abusive man against his partner or the larger abusive system, you force your victims to become dependent upon you. We believe that industrial capitalism is more important than life."
Those who run our corporate state have fought environmental regulation as tenaciously as they have fought financial regulation. They are responsible for our personal impoverishment as well as the impoverishment of our ecosystem. We remain addicted, courtesy of the oil, gas and automobile industries and a corporate-controlled government, to fossil fuels. Species are vanishing. Fish stocks are depleted. The great human migration from coastlines and deserts has begun. And as temperatures continue to rise, huge parts of the globe will become uninhabitable. NASA climate scientist James Hansen has demonstrated that any concentration of carbon dioxide greater than 350 parts per million in the atmosphere is not compatible with maintenance of the biosphere on the "planet on which civilization developed and to which life on earth is adapted." He has determined that the world must stop burning coal by 2030--and the industrialized world well before that--if we are to have any hope of ever getting the planet back down below that 350 number. Coal supplies half of our electricity in the United States.
"We need to separate ourselves from the corporate government that is killing the planet," Jensen said. "We need to get really serious. We are talking about life on the planet. We need to shut down the oil infrastructure. I don't care, and the trees don't care, if we do this through lawsuits, mass boycotts or sabotage. I asked Dahr Jamail how long a bridge would last in Iraq that was not defended. He said probably six to 12 hours. We need to make the economic system, which is the engine for so much destruction, unmanageable. The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta has been able to reduce Nigerian oil output by 20 percent. We need to stop the oil economy."
The reason the ecosystem is dying is not because we still have a dryer in our basement. It is because corporations look at everything, from human beings to the natural environment, as exploitable commodities. It is because consumption is the engine of corporate profits. We have allowed the corporate state to sell the environmental crisis as a matter of personal choice when actually there is a need for profound social and economic reform. We are left powerless.
Alexander Herzen, speaking a century ago to a group of Russian anarchists working to topple the czar, reminded his followers that they were not there to rescue the system.
"We think we are the doctors," Herzen said. "We are the disease."
Bill McKibben is the author of 10 books, most recently Deep Economy: The Wealth of Communities and the Durable Future. He is a scholar in residence at Middlebury College in Vermont.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 24, 2009 1:56 AM
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Corporate power is the symptom of the disease ...of our primary purpose, the glue that binds us all together, the mantra that is our Bible ... Unlimited Growth ...
Given the configuration of our economy, specifically our financial sector, growth is mandatory or death sets in. This cancer that consumes us is fractional reserve banking and the unpayable interest it feeds on.
This leveraged debt is what is now driving us into a depression ... it is now unpayable, we are insolvent! There are not enough natural resources in the world to plunder to pay this debt ... It is debt that forces us through our economic system to ravage the earth on an ever increasing scale.
Our whole civilization must be restructured. Not just the corporations, but governance, society and the economy itself ... Without this restructuring billions of people starve, hundreds of millions or more die in wars, violence and from disease.
We need money without debt and a civilization built on a scarcity economy not on a model of infinite abundance with unchecked growth. Without radical changes to the organization of human kind, its' economy and its' institutions there is no hope.
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» I agree, and with Corporations and JP Morgan/Chase Rockefeller cabal in charge of our government...
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» I forgot to give you this link I got this morning that adds to the above....
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Posted by: geometeer on Oct 24, 2009 2:01 AM
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Add the smaller fauna that live off you, on you, and in you, and the machines are way outnumbered.
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Posted by: Plexius2 on Oct 24, 2009 2:41 AM
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It has always seemed to me that our species is inherently self-destructive, as well as destructive of everything it comes into contact with.
The authors of these two perspectives fail to understand that, homo sapiens sapiens is inherently self-destructive, as well as destructive of most other life on Earth. You can play games with various economic systems: capitalism, socialism, communism, but in the end, if you fail to recognize that all your "isms" mask the fundamental and basic flaw in your species, you are ultimately doomed.
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» Very interesting, You said "...... flaw in YOUR species"....
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» RE: We as a developing species are at a critical time
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» I think we could, but it wouldn't be easy and we would have to treat it with.....
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» Sounds Like A Serious Case of Self-Hatred To Me
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» So does your expressed disdain of him validate his assertion, or are you simply a cockroach?
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» Ahhh, Paul... admit it...
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» RE: Surely us humans can outdo a bunch of cockroaches. Nope.
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Posted by: notabilia on Oct 24, 2009 3:23 AM
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1. Of course there are legitimate social points in each of the Christian worldviews espoused here, but the are accompanied by a resolute lack of self-criticism, a backward-looking traditionalism, and preposterous faithfulness. The left follows these hectoring Puritans and ends up back in folk music singalongs in third grade.
2. Hedges get excited by Jensen's call to bring down the oil infrastructure. Is anybody here seriously contemplating such stupidity? Whether we like it or not, we are enmeshed in a global supersystem that conveys a vast amount of fossil fuels every day across the globe, and we hope to dismantle it immediately?
3. Such pie-in-the-sky fantasy is the hallmark of the New Ascetic movement, which assigns to itself purity and nobility while denying the multitudinous on-going associations that are at the criminal foundation of its existence - for example for these two, the corrupt investments and corporate marauding functions performed by Middlebury College and Harvard University; the greenwashing of the corporate-friendly American environmental elite; the sycophantic lies of the New York Times and its war-happy writers; the profit-engorged, anti-rational degradations of American Christian churches - and we are supposed to sit at the feet of these two?
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Posted by: drosera on Oct 24, 2009 5:52 AM
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Wait? That doesn't make sense, not when we are at C390 and climbing.
Look at the harm in McKibben's view: We can act now to change our behavior (and work to end corporatism at the same time).
I do not see any harm here. Our goal is not just to bring down corporatism but the mindset that constructed such a hurtful system. That takes education and time--generations, in fact. We cannot wait until everybody thinks like Chris Hedges. We have to act now.
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Posted by: johnchase34 on Oct 24, 2009 6:31 AM
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While reducing our consumption of creature comforts we should do this:
1.Fund about ten 'manhattan projects' to run in parallel to find the miracles to make solar cost-competitive with fossil. While doing that, build nuclear plants to buy time for the miracles. Better to burn uranium than coal.
2. Don't hobble windpower, because it can compete now with fossilpower if not hobbled with concerns for appearance, noise, bird kills, etc.
3. Increase funding worldwide to educate women.. better late than never. Reduce demand by reducing birthrate.
4. Consider legislation for euthanasia.
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» And exactly who are you asking to do this??? Congress? Who?
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» I say "AMEN" to your phrase "...those in control think will not include them. They must be disabused
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 24, 2009 7:46 AM
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"A reduction in beef and other meat consumption is the most potent single act you can take to halt the destruction of our environment and preserve our natural resources. Our choices do matter: What's healthiest for each of us personally is also healthiest for the life support system of our precious, but wounded planet."
---John Robbins, author, Diet for a New America, and President, EarthSave Foundation
One study puts animal waste in the United States to between 2.4 trillion to 3.9 trillion pounds per year. The United states produces 15,000 pounds of manure per person. This is 130 times the amount of waste produced by the entire human population of the United States.
A 1,000-cow dairy can produce approximately 120,000 pounds of waste per day. This is the functional equivalent of the amount of sanitary waste produced by a city of 20,000 people.
A 20,000-chicken factory produces about 2.4 million pounds of manure a year. Poultry factories are one of the fastest growing industries throughout Asia.
One pig excretes nearly three gallons of waste per day, or 2.5 times the average human's daily total. One hog farm with 50,000 pigs in France produces more waste than the entire city of Los Angeles, and some pig farms are much larger.
Factory farm pollution is the primary source of damage to coastal waters in North and South America, Europe, and Asia. Scientists report that over sixty percent of the coastal waters in the United States are moderately to severely degraded from factory farm nutrient pollution. This pollution creates oxygen-depleted dead zones, which are huge areas of ocean devoid of aquatic life.
Meat production causes deforestation, which then contributes to global warming. Trees convert carbon dioxide into oxygen, and the destruction of forests around the globe to make room for grazing cattle furthers the greenhouse effect. The Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations reports that the annual rate of tropical deforestation has increased from 9 million hectares in 1980 to 16.8 million hectares in 1990, and unfortunately, this destruction has accelerated since then. By 1994, a staggering 200 million hectares of rainforest had been destroyed in South America just for cattle.
"The impact of countless hooves and mouths over the years has done more to alter the type of vegetation and land forms of the West than all the water projects, strip mines, power plants, freeways, and sub-division developments combined."
---Philip Fradkin, in Audubon, National Audubon Society, New York
Agricultural meat production generates air pollution. As manure decomposes, it releases over 400 volatile organic compounds, many of which are extremely harmful to human health. Nitrogen, a major by-product of animal wastes, changes to ammonia as it escapes into the air, and this is a major source of acid rain. Worldwide, livestock produce over 30 million tons of ammonia. Hydrogen sulfide, another chemical released from animal waste, can cause irreversible neurological damage, even at low levels.
The World Conservation Union lists over 1,000 different fish species that are threatened or endangered. According to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimate, over 60 percent of the world's fish species are either fully exploited or depleted. Commercial fish populations of cod, hake, haddock, and flounder have fallen by as much as 95 percent in the north Atlantic.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 24, 2009 7:46 AM
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Livestock production affects a startling 70 to 85 percent of the land area of the United States, United Kingdom, and the European Union. That includes the public and private rangeland used for grazing, as well as the land used to produce the crops that feed the animals. By comparison, urbanization only affects 3 percent of the United States land area, slightly larger for the European Union and the United Kingdom. Meat production consumes the world's land resources.
Half of all fresh water worldwide is used for thirsty livestock. Producing eight ounces of beef requires an unimaginable 25,000 liters of water, or the water necessary for one pound of steak equals the water consumption of the average household for a year.
The United States government spends $10 million each year to kill an estimated 100,000 wild animals, including coyotes, foxes, bobcats, badgers, bears, and mountain lions just to placate ranchers who don't want these animals killing their livestock. The cost far outweighs the damage to livestock that these predators cause.
The Worldwatch Institute estimates one pound of steak from a steer raised in a feedlot costs: five pounds of grain, a whopping 2,500 gallons of water, the energy equivalent of a gallon of gasoline, and about 34 pounds of topsoil.
33 percent of our nation's raw materials and fossil fuels go into livestock destined for slaughter. In a vegan economy, only 2 percent of our resources will go to the production of food.
"It seems disingenuous for the intellectual elite of the first world to dwell on the subject of too many babies being born in the second- and third-world nations while virtually ignoring the overpopulation of cattle and the realities of a food chain that robs the poor of sustenance to feed the rich a steady diet of grain-fed meat."
---Jeremy Rifkin, author, Beyond Beef: The Rise and Fall of the Cattle Culture, and president of the Greenhouse Crisis Foundation
Lester Brown of the Overseas Development Council calculates that if Americans reduced their meat consumption by only 10 percent per year, it would free at least 12 million tons of grain for human consumption--or enough to feed 60 million people.
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» respecting life
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» You can't legislate what people will eat in a free society.
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Posted by: smendler on Oct 24, 2009 7:52 AM
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Unfortunately, the way things are, we are probably going to have to endure the collapse before the rebuilding can begin. Capital will not relinquish its power until it absolutely has no other choice - and in the meantime it will become increasingly destructive of whoever or whatever tries to stand in its way. My suggestion is that we should plan accordingly.
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Posted by: PaulK on Oct 24, 2009 7:57 AM
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You are correct to mobilize the population.
However, please know that vital research is just languishing, sitting on inventors' computers and in files. The Obama Administration is typically funding a bunch of terribly overworked professors who, oddly enough, have few of the best answers. Their grant proposals are "shovel ready", though.
Chris,
You're correct in mobilizing the population against the rape of their government and the theft of their army. This seems to be more or less true in many countries, although the USA wins a dubious gold star (and so do some of the soldiers' parents).
At some point we rebuild our local economies in order to deliberately lock out the plunderers. The bad corporate citizens don't deal with us. If they don't pass an impartial third party certification then their money is no good. Better yet, our locally printed or computer-regulated money is by our regulations canceled and valueless whenever it falls into their hands and that money can't be redeemed back for anything. If we have no choice we will buy their products after paying a hefty tax to our communities, otherwise their products are shunned from our communities.
Be that as it may, we have to work on both problems now. We need good citizen businesses that won't kill the electric car. We ourselves need to take control of the carbon dioxide reduction business and not just the streets. Let's not trust the rapists to stop climate change.
Let's do. What position would you like to play? We need all kinds of normal skills.
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» Why did Rockefeller and Gates fund a seed bank up in the arctic?
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Posted by: stellabloo on Oct 24, 2009 9:35 AM
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The garbage dumps in India have a whole underclass scavengers who search for anything useful: old batteries are taken apart by hand to recycle the cadmium, rotting food scraps are used to brew alcohol - for human consumption.
I would hate to see us reduced to that standard of living.
Maybe we should all try the intelligent approach for once. STOP FEEDING THE BEAST!
A hundred years ago, people bought only what they needed. Now we have Planned Obsolescence which - surprise - was planned.
Century of Self: Episode 1
(... a free site with dozens of other free documentaries)
What we need is a mass reshaping of human consciousness as first seen on a large scale in the 60's. Maybe the time has come when we are finally willing to get off our hamster wheels and quit pressing the reward button and take an active interest in our fellow rats, including the ones in the neigboring cages.
Remember this:
"They" rule by fear. As long as we allow ourselves to be ruled by fear, we will never be free.
The boundaries between you and the physical universe which you inhabit are not as distinct as you think.
"Hemp ethanol" is an existing term for a viable technology that has existed for over a 100 years and was used to power the original Model T. A good first step would be to reintroduce industrial hemp as a multi-purpose sustainable non-GMO crop.
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» Absolutely a great post, but the question arises, who will process that hemp....
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 24, 2009 12:24 PM
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I understand there are conservative Christians who fear vegetarianism...which is kind of like being afraid of nonsmoking, nondrinking, or recycling. Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action, in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, pointed out that 220 million Americans were eating enough food (largely because of the high consumption of grain fed to livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.
A pamphlet put out by Compassion Over Killing says raising animals for food is one of the leading causes of both pollution and resource depletion today. According to a recent United Nations report, "Livestock's Long Shadow," raising chickens, turkeys, pigs, and other animals for food causes more greenhouse gas emissions than all the cars, trucks and other forms of transportation combined. Researchers from the University of Chicago similarly concluded that a vegetarian diet is the most energy efficient, and the average American does more to reduce global warming emissions by not eating animal products than by switching to a hybrid car.
A 2007 journal published by the American Dietetic Association found "meat protein production required 26 times more water than vegetable protein on rain-fed lands." The journal further states that dieticians "can encourage eating that is both healthful and conserving of soil, water, and energy by emphasizing plant sources of protein and foods that have been produced with fewer agricultural inputs."
"Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."
---Union Nations' Food and Agriculture Association
A single dairy cow produces approximately 120 pounds of wet manure per day, which is equivalent to that of 20 to 40 humans.
70% of the grain grown and 50% of the water consumed in the U.S. are used by the meat industry. (Audubon Society)
On average 990 liters of water are required to produce one liter of milk. (United Nations)
Over 260 million acres of U.S. forest have been cleared to grow grain for livestock. (Greenpeace)
It takes nearly one gallon of fossil fuel and 5,200 gallons of water to produce just one pound of conventionally fed beef. (Mother Jones)
Farmed animals produce an estimated 1.4 billion tons of fecal waste each year in the U.S. Much of this untreated waste pollutes the land and water.
The number of animals killed for food in the United States is 70 times larger than the number of animals killed in laboratories, 30 times larger than the number killed by hunters and trappers, and 500 times larger than the number of animals killed in animal pounds.
“If anyone wants to save the planet,” says Paul McCartney in a PETA interview, “all they have to do is stop eating meat. That’s the single most important thing you could do. It’s staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty. Let’s do it! Linda was right. Going veggie is the single best idea for the new century.”
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Posted by: Earthian on Oct 24, 2009 12:41 PM
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The root causes of our failure to address climate change and other forms of pollution and our failure to address corporate power is a flawed Constitution.
Neither Hedges or McKibben offer any semblance of a political program to address our democracy gap.
The solutions are straightforward and consist of the electoral component of the progressive platform. (GP, Kucinich, Nader)
Here are the major ones:
Public financing of elections only; proportional representation in the House, Senate, and in State and local legislatures; and IRV (or regular runoffs) for executive positions like mayor, governor and president.
Movement actions, though good and necessary, are bandaids. We need major surgery in the form of a second bill of rights as a set of democracy amendments to the national and also state constitutions. We need to fix the vast mismatch between the Preamble and the first six articles. This can be done with amendments.
We've had over 200 state constitutional conventions. It is time for more, and for another national convention as well.
To learn more read Larry Sabato, Sanford Levinson, Dan Lazare, Robert Dahl, and Steven Hill. Their books on progressive electoral reform are clear and easy to understand.
Many other nations have modern constitutions and have solved their democracy gap. So can we. The world depends on it. So do future generations.
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The science has pointed towards, even predicted local cooling while the planet warmed up on average. No offense, but the narrative you represent here calls to my mind a picture, and it is of a fellow sitting next to a bucket of melting ice and a fan on a hot day, complaining of the cold.
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But we kept stressing those changes which would hurt, especially if done fast, and the result is at best footdragging and at worst denialism.
What I miss in both authors' articles is the HOW. Sure, let's go back to 350. Good idea. But how? Where to start? Sure, let's break the power of corporations. But if people start eating factory-produced chickens straight from the sovchoz, what difference will that make?
So let's start with deforestation, before it's too late. Hell, we could even get the denial crowd on board for that, although there will always be some wingnuts who gripe about them lazy poor countries getting our money. And then, coal. And building standards (who doesn't want a lower electricity bill?). Fast trains to compete with airplanes and cars. Smart grids. The list of things we can do quickly, with little political opposition, is long.
We should admit our mistakes. Cap-and-trade is a disaster; it sometimes actually makes things worse (as in ethanol production). Asking people to bring the most difficult sacrifices immediately, while leaving the bigger causes of global warming for another day, was stupid.
There's lots of low-hanging fruit; let's pick it, now. We'll fight about how to finish the job when our emissions are down 50% or more.
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Posted by: stilldreaming on Oct 24, 2009 8:12 PM
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Yes, we need to curb consumption, use science to monitor the carbon in our atmosphere, and rein-in monopolies & mega-corporations. But nothing is going to solve our environmental problems unless we reach and maintain a sustainable number of humans.
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Posted by: Paul_C on Oct 24, 2009 9:27 PM
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Only this time the entire planet is going to suffer and there is a very real possibility all higher forms of life will die off in a manner identical to that of the dinosaurs.
A new study was just printed that asserts that the dinosaurs died out due to massive algae blooms in virtually every body of water in the world due to global warming at that time. I have not read the study yet but I read about it in the newspaper.
The implication is that the same thing will happen again. There are others theories regarding feedback loops that also could end life on earth as we know it.
We are playing with fire so that Americans can keep on shopping 'til we all drop.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Oct 25, 2009 8:08 PM
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We're screwed ...
If we don't act.
We can rail against nefarious forces all we want, but ...
We're screwed ...
If we don't march on Washington by the millions to counteract the million$ in graft to our "leadership." And stop wasting precikous resources on stupid wars. And put that money into research, and GETTING THE GREEN TECHNOLOGY WE ALREADY HAVE INTO THE MAINSTREAM!
We can complain all we want about rampant consumerism, but ...
We're screwed ...
Unless we stop shopping to feel good, and unless we dump the "bigger/more-is-better" mentality.
We can list, until each of us is blue -in-the-face, all the bad things that global warming (say: "environmental chaos") will bring about, but ...
We're screwed ...
If we're not ready to take the risk of bringing down corporate power by NOT buying what they're currently selling.
Because, if we let Nature take its course – as, apparently, we will – Earth will not be screwed, we will be. Mother Earth will recover from the ravages of Man, but we may not; some scientists are predicting, should current trends continue, a human die-off of between five to seven BILLION of us in the next 100 years or so. (Maybe THAT will get our attention ... when it's too late to avoid human chaos ...)
If we, all of us, do not rethink our whole chosen lifestyle, our reason for existence, our relationship with our only means of support, then we really ARE screwed.
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Posted by: wjfaust on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM
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Why support (strongly promote) the 350.org event? The real question is: How do you have some impact in the right direction? I suspect that is just the pragmatic McKibben who understands there is almost no purchase on solving the more fundamental problems. Look at how long WILPF has struggled to get anyone to understand that corporate personhood is the linchpin of the corporate state. Solving those problems will probably require a massive collapse from internal rot. That seems to be happening now.
In the mean time, maybe one can make the climate change issue more urgent for more citizens of the world and prepare them for a time when that growth paradigm has to be abandoned and corporations are returned to the box they escaped from.
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Posted by: leonardfeingold on Oct 26, 2009 11:21 AM
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Secondly, climate change or is it man made climate change; man man climate change proposed by Al Gore etc seems to have morphed into climate change. Do Progressives think they are the Gods; climate change is the nature of things since the beginning of univerise.
OF course, we should control pollution which we in the West do pretty well; the argument that CO2 is "pollution" in the sense of artifically warming the universe is not at all proven; if anthing the evidence is negative.
So what is all the fuss; progressives sound like our fanatic moslems.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 27, 2009 5:12 PM
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There is no question that China's one child policy has helped the world and the Chinese economy. Whenever a country attempts to reduce its population it can expect a two or three generation period of problems while deaths reduce to equal births. I hope that China will recognize this fact and keep its own population on the path to reduction--which should begin by 2050. China's actual fertility rate is not 1.0 per woman, but 1.8--the same as Norway's. But that 400 million fewer births since 1980 (equivalent to the population of the U.S. and Mexico) has been a boon for China and the world.
Business, wanting more customers, religions wanting more souls to save, and politicians wanting more warriors--along with the basic selfishness of people wanting more babies--are all part of the problem.
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Just as "we can't let the atmosphere contain more than 350 million parts per million of carbon dioxide, or else face total environmental catastrophe, problem being that we've already passed this number."Already it is crucial moment for us to save human beings of ourself .To live longer and health,we should stop harming our homestead. MTS Video Converter
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 24, 2009 1:56 AM
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Corporate power is the symptom of the disease ...of our primary purpose, the glue that binds us all together, the mantra that is our Bible ... Unlimited Growth ...
Given the configuration of our economy, specifically our financial sector, growth is mandatory or death sets in. This cancer that consumes us is fractional reserve banking and the unpayable interest it feeds on.
This leveraged debt is what is now driving us into a depression ... it is now unpayable, we are insolvent! There are not enough natural resources in the world to plunder to pay this debt ... It is debt that forces us through our economic system to ravage the earth on an ever increasing scale.
Our whole civilization must be restructured. Not just the corporations, but governance, society and the economy itself ... Without this restructuring billions of people starve, hundreds of millions or more die in wars, violence and from disease.
We need money without debt and a civilization built on a scarcity economy not on a model of infinite abundance with unchecked growth. Without radical changes to the organization of human kind, its' economy and its' institutions there is no hope.
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Posted by: geometeer on Oct 24, 2009 2:01 AM
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Add the smaller fauna that live off you, on you, and in you, and the machines are way outnumbered.
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Posted by: Plexius2 on Oct 24, 2009 2:41 AM
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It has always seemed to me that our species is inherently self-destructive, as well as destructive of everything it comes into contact with.
The authors of these two perspectives fail to understand that, homo sapiens sapiens is inherently self-destructive, as well as destructive of most other life on Earth. You can play games with various economic systems: capitalism, socialism, communism, but in the end, if you fail to recognize that all your "isms" mask the fundamental and basic flaw in your species, you are ultimately doomed.
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Posted by: notabilia on Oct 24, 2009 3:23 AM
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1. Of course there are legitimate social points in each of the Christian worldviews espoused here, but the are accompanied by a resolute lack of self-criticism, a backward-looking traditionalism, and preposterous faithfulness. The left follows these hectoring Puritans and ends up back in folk music singalongs in third grade.
2. Hedges get excited by Jensen's call to bring down the oil infrastructure. Is anybody here seriously contemplating such stupidity? Whether we like it or not, we are enmeshed in a global supersystem that conveys a vast amount of fossil fuels every day across the globe, and we hope to dismantle it immediately?
3. Such pie-in-the-sky fantasy is the hallmark of the New Ascetic movement, which assigns to itself purity and nobility while denying the multitudinous on-going associations that are at the criminal foundation of its existence - for example for these two, the corrupt investments and corporate marauding functions performed by Middlebury College and Harvard University; the greenwashing of the corporate-friendly American environmental elite; the sycophantic lies of the New York Times and its war-happy writers; the profit-engorged, anti-rational degradations of American Christian churches - and we are supposed to sit at the feet of these two?
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Posted by: drosera on Oct 24, 2009 5:52 AM
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Wait? That doesn't make sense, not when we are at C390 and climbing.
Look at the harm in McKibben's view: We can act now to change our behavior (and work to end corporatism at the same time).
I do not see any harm here. Our goal is not just to bring down corporatism but the mindset that constructed such a hurtful system. That takes education and time--generations, in fact. We cannot wait until everybody thinks like Chris Hedges. We have to act now.
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Posted by: johnchase34 on Oct 24, 2009 6:31 AM
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While reducing our consumption of creature comforts we should do this:
1.Fund about ten 'manhattan projects' to run in parallel to find the miracles to make solar cost-competitive with fossil. While doing that, build nuclear plants to buy time for the miracles. Better to burn uranium than coal.
2. Don't hobble windpower, because it can compete now with fossilpower if not hobbled with concerns for appearance, noise, bird kills, etc.
3. Increase funding worldwide to educate women.. better late than never. Reduce demand by reducing birthrate.
4. Consider legislation for euthanasia.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 24, 2009 7:46 AM
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"A reduction in beef and other meat consumption is the most potent single act you can take to halt the destruction of our environment and preserve our natural resources. Our choices do matter: What's healthiest for each of us personally is also healthiest for the life support system of our precious, but wounded planet."
---John Robbins, author, Diet for a New America, and President, EarthSave Foundation
One study puts animal waste in the United States to between 2.4 trillion to 3.9 trillion pounds per year. The United states produces 15,000 pounds of manure per person. This is 130 times the amount of waste produced by the entire human population of the United States.
A 1,000-cow dairy can produce approximately 120,000 pounds of waste per day. This is the functional equivalent of the amount of sanitary waste produced by a city of 20,000 people.
A 20,000-chicken factory produces about 2.4 million pounds of manure a year. Poultry factories are one of the fastest growing industries throughout Asia.
One pig excretes nearly three gallons of waste per day, or 2.5 times the average human's daily total. One hog farm with 50,000 pigs in France produces more waste than the entire city of Los Angeles, and some pig farms are much larger.
Factory farm pollution is the primary source of damage to coastal waters in North and South America, Europe, and Asia. Scientists report that over sixty percent of the coastal waters in the United States are moderately to severely degraded from factory farm nutrient pollution. This pollution creates oxygen-depleted dead zones, which are huge areas of ocean devoid of aquatic life.
Meat production causes deforestation, which then contributes to global warming. Trees convert carbon dioxide into oxygen, and the destruction of forests around the globe to make room for grazing cattle furthers the greenhouse effect. The Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations reports that the annual rate of tropical deforestation has increased from 9 million hectares in 1980 to 16.8 million hectares in 1990, and unfortunately, this destruction has accelerated since then. By 1994, a staggering 200 million hectares of rainforest had been destroyed in South America just for cattle.
"The impact of countless hooves and mouths over the years has done more to alter the type of vegetation and land forms of the West than all the water projects, strip mines, power plants, freeways, and sub-division developments combined."
---Philip Fradkin, in Audubon, National Audubon Society, New York
Agricultural meat production generates air pollution. As manure decomposes, it releases over 400 volatile organic compounds, many of which are extremely harmful to human health. Nitrogen, a major by-product of animal wastes, changes to ammonia as it escapes into the air, and this is a major source of acid rain. Worldwide, livestock produce over 30 million tons of ammonia. Hydrogen sulfide, another chemical released from animal waste, can cause irreversible neurological damage, even at low levels.
The World Conservation Union lists over 1,000 different fish species that are threatened or endangered. According to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimate, over 60 percent of the world's fish species are either fully exploited or depleted. Commercial fish populations of cod, hake, haddock, and flounder have fallen by as much as 95 percent in the north Atlantic.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 24, 2009 7:46 AM
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Livestock production affects a startling 70 to 85 percent of the land area of the United States, United Kingdom, and the European Union. That includes the public and private rangeland used for grazing, as well as the land used to produce the crops that feed the animals. By comparison, urbanization only affects 3 percent of the United States land area, slightly larger for the European Union and the United Kingdom. Meat production consumes the world's land resources.
Half of all fresh water worldwide is used for thirsty livestock. Producing eight ounces of beef requires an unimaginable 25,000 liters of water, or the water necessary for one pound of steak equals the water consumption of the average household for a year.
The United States government spends $10 million each year to kill an estimated 100,000 wild animals, including coyotes, foxes, bobcats, badgers, bears, and mountain lions just to placate ranchers who don't want these animals killing their livestock. The cost far outweighs the damage to livestock that these predators cause.
The Worldwatch Institute estimates one pound of steak from a steer raised in a feedlot costs: five pounds of grain, a whopping 2,500 gallons of water, the energy equivalent of a gallon of gasoline, and about 34 pounds of topsoil.
33 percent of our nation's raw materials and fossil fuels go into livestock destined for slaughter. In a vegan economy, only 2 percent of our resources will go to the production of food.
"It seems disingenuous for the intellectual elite of the first world to dwell on the subject of too many babies being born in the second- and third-world nations while virtually ignoring the overpopulation of cattle and the realities of a food chain that robs the poor of sustenance to feed the rich a steady diet of grain-fed meat."
---Jeremy Rifkin, author, Beyond Beef: The Rise and Fall of the Cattle Culture, and president of the Greenhouse Crisis Foundation
Lester Brown of the Overseas Development Council calculates that if Americans reduced their meat consumption by only 10 percent per year, it would free at least 12 million tons of grain for human consumption--or enough to feed 60 million people.
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Posted by: smendler on Oct 24, 2009 7:52 AM
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Unfortunately, the way things are, we are probably going to have to endure the collapse before the rebuilding can begin. Capital will not relinquish its power until it absolutely has no other choice - and in the meantime it will become increasingly destructive of whoever or whatever tries to stand in its way. My suggestion is that we should plan accordingly.
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Posted by: PaulK on Oct 24, 2009 7:57 AM
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You are correct to mobilize the population.
However, please know that vital research is just languishing, sitting on inventors' computers and in files. The Obama Administration is typically funding a bunch of terribly overworked professors who, oddly enough, have few of the best answers. Their grant proposals are "shovel ready", though.
Chris,
You're correct in mobilizing the population against the rape of their government and the theft of their army. This seems to be more or less true in many countries, although the USA wins a dubious gold star (and so do some of the soldiers' parents).
At some point we rebuild our local economies in order to deliberately lock out the plunderers. The bad corporate citizens don't deal with us. If they don't pass an impartial third party certification then their money is no good. Better yet, our locally printed or computer-regulated money is by our regulations canceled and valueless whenever it falls into their hands and that money can't be redeemed back for anything. If we have no choice we will buy their products after paying a hefty tax to our communities, otherwise their products are shunned from our communities.
Be that as it may, we have to work on both problems now. We need good citizen businesses that won't kill the electric car. We ourselves need to take control of the carbon dioxide reduction business and not just the streets. Let's not trust the rapists to stop climate change.
Let's do. What position would you like to play? We need all kinds of normal skills.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Oct 24, 2009 9:35 AM
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The garbage dumps in India have a whole underclass scavengers who search for anything useful: old batteries are taken apart by hand to recycle the cadmium, rotting food scraps are used to brew alcohol - for human consumption.
I would hate to see us reduced to that standard of living.
Maybe we should all try the intelligent approach for once. STOP FEEDING THE BEAST!
A hundred years ago, people bought only what they needed. Now we have Planned Obsolescence which - surprise - was planned.
Century of Self: Episode 1
(... a free site with dozens of other free documentaries)
What we need is a mass reshaping of human consciousness as first seen on a large scale in the 60's. Maybe the time has come when we are finally willing to get off our hamster wheels and quit pressing the reward button and take an active interest in our fellow rats, including the ones in the neigboring cages.
Remember this:
"They" rule by fear. As long as we allow ourselves to be ruled by fear, we will never be free.
The boundaries between you and the physical universe which you inhabit are not as distinct as you think.
"Hemp ethanol" is an existing term for a viable technology that has existed for over a 100 years and was used to power the original Model T. A good first step would be to reintroduce industrial hemp as a multi-purpose sustainable non-GMO crop.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Oct 24, 2009 12:24 PM
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I understand there are conservative Christians who fear vegetarianism...which is kind of like being afraid of nonsmoking, nondrinking, or recycling. Ronald J. Sider of Evangelicals for Social Action, in his 1977 book, Rich Christians in an Age of Hunger, pointed out that 220 million Americans were eating enough food (largely because of the high consumption of grain fed to livestock) to feed over one billion people in the poorer countries.
A pamphlet put out by Compassion Over Killing says raising animals for food is one of the leading causes of both pollution and resource depletion today. According to a recent United Nations report, "Livestock's Long Shadow," raising chickens, turkeys, pigs, and other animals for food causes more greenhouse gas emissions than all the cars, trucks and other forms of transportation combined. Researchers from the University of Chicago similarly concluded that a vegetarian diet is the most energy efficient, and the average American does more to reduce global warming emissions by not eating animal products than by switching to a hybrid car.
A 2007 journal published by the American Dietetic Association found "meat protein production required 26 times more water than vegetable protein on rain-fed lands." The journal further states that dieticians "can encourage eating that is both healthful and conserving of soil, water, and energy by emphasizing plant sources of protein and foods that have been produced with fewer agricultural inputs."
"Livestock are one of the most significant contributors to today's most serious environmental problems. Urgent action is required to remedy the situation."
---Union Nations' Food and Agriculture Association
A single dairy cow produces approximately 120 pounds of wet manure per day, which is equivalent to that of 20 to 40 humans.
70% of the grain grown and 50% of the water consumed in the U.S. are used by the meat industry. (Audubon Society)
On average 990 liters of water are required to produce one liter of milk. (United Nations)
Over 260 million acres of U.S. forest have been cleared to grow grain for livestock. (Greenpeace)
It takes nearly one gallon of fossil fuel and 5,200 gallons of water to produce just one pound of conventionally fed beef. (Mother Jones)
Farmed animals produce an estimated 1.4 billion tons of fecal waste each year in the U.S. Much of this untreated waste pollutes the land and water.
The number of animals killed for food in the United States is 70 times larger than the number of animals killed in laboratories, 30 times larger than the number killed by hunters and trappers, and 500 times larger than the number of animals killed in animal pounds.
“If anyone wants to save the planet,” says Paul McCartney in a PETA interview, “all they have to do is stop eating meat. That’s the single most important thing you could do. It’s staggering when you think about it. Vegetarianism takes care of so many things in one shot: ecology, famine, cruelty. Let’s do it! Linda was right. Going veggie is the single best idea for the new century.”
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Posted by: Earthian on Oct 24, 2009 12:41 PM
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The root causes of our failure to address climate change and other forms of pollution and our failure to address corporate power is a flawed Constitution.
Neither Hedges or McKibben offer any semblance of a political program to address our democracy gap.
The solutions are straightforward and consist of the electoral component of the progressive platform. (GP, Kucinich, Nader)
Here are the major ones:
Public financing of elections only; proportional representation in the House, Senate, and in State and local legislatures; and IRV (or regular runoffs) for executive positions like mayor, governor and president.
Movement actions, though good and necessary, are bandaids. We need major surgery in the form of a second bill of rights as a set of democracy amendments to the national and also state constitutions. We need to fix the vast mismatch between the Preamble and the first six articles. This can be done with amendments.
We've had over 200 state constitutional conventions. It is time for more, and for another national convention as well.
To learn more read Larry Sabato, Sanford Levinson, Dan Lazare, Robert Dahl, and Steven Hill. Their books on progressive electoral reform are clear and easy to understand.
Many other nations have modern constitutions and have solved their democracy gap. So can we. The world depends on it. So do future generations.
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The science has pointed towards, even predicted local cooling while the planet warmed up on average. No offense, but the narrative you represent here calls to my mind a picture, and it is of a fellow sitting next to a bucket of melting ice and a fan on a hot day, complaining of the cold.
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Posted by: Hans B on Oct 24, 2009 5:28 PM
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But we kept stressing those changes which would hurt, especially if done fast, and the result is at best footdragging and at worst denialism.
What I miss in both authors' articles is the HOW. Sure, let's go back to 350. Good idea. But how? Where to start? Sure, let's break the power of corporations. But if people start eating factory-produced chickens straight from the sovchoz, what difference will that make?
So let's start with deforestation, before it's too late. Hell, we could even get the denial crowd on board for that, although there will always be some wingnuts who gripe about them lazy poor countries getting our money. And then, coal. And building standards (who doesn't want a lower electricity bill?). Fast trains to compete with airplanes and cars. Smart grids. The list of things we can do quickly, with little political opposition, is long.
We should admit our mistakes. Cap-and-trade is a disaster; it sometimes actually makes things worse (as in ethanol production). Asking people to bring the most difficult sacrifices immediately, while leaving the bigger causes of global warming for another day, was stupid.
There's lots of low-hanging fruit; let's pick it, now. We'll fight about how to finish the job when our emissions are down 50% or more.
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Posted by: stilldreaming on Oct 24, 2009 8:12 PM
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Yes, we need to curb consumption, use science to monitor the carbon in our atmosphere, and rein-in monopolies & mega-corporations. But nothing is going to solve our environmental problems unless we reach and maintain a sustainable number of humans.
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Posted by: Paul_C on Oct 24, 2009 9:27 PM
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Only this time the entire planet is going to suffer and there is a very real possibility all higher forms of life will die off in a manner identical to that of the dinosaurs.
A new study was just printed that asserts that the dinosaurs died out due to massive algae blooms in virtually every body of water in the world due to global warming at that time. I have not read the study yet but I read about it in the newspaper.
The implication is that the same thing will happen again. There are others theories regarding feedback loops that also could end life on earth as we know it.
We are playing with fire so that Americans can keep on shopping 'til we all drop.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Oct 25, 2009 8:08 PM
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We're screwed ...
If we don't act.
We can rail against nefarious forces all we want, but ...
We're screwed ...
If we don't march on Washington by the millions to counteract the million$ in graft to our "leadership." And stop wasting precikous resources on stupid wars. And put that money into research, and GETTING THE GREEN TECHNOLOGY WE ALREADY HAVE INTO THE MAINSTREAM!
We can complain all we want about rampant consumerism, but ...
We're screwed ...
Unless we stop shopping to feel good, and unless we dump the "bigger/more-is-better" mentality.
We can list, until each of us is blue -in-the-face, all the bad things that global warming (say: "environmental chaos") will bring about, but ...
We're screwed ...
If we're not ready to take the risk of bringing down corporate power by NOT buying what they're currently selling.
Because, if we let Nature take its course – as, apparently, we will – Earth will not be screwed, we will be. Mother Earth will recover from the ravages of Man, but we may not; some scientists are predicting, should current trends continue, a human die-off of between five to seven BILLION of us in the next 100 years or so. (Maybe THAT will get our attention ... when it's too late to avoid human chaos ...)
If we, all of us, do not rethink our whole chosen lifestyle, our reason for existence, our relationship with our only means of support, then we really ARE screwed.
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Posted by: wjfaust on Oct 25, 2009 8:28 PM
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Why support (strongly promote) the 350.org event? The real question is: How do you have some impact in the right direction? I suspect that is just the pragmatic McKibben who understands there is almost no purchase on solving the more fundamental problems. Look at how long WILPF has struggled to get anyone to understand that corporate personhood is the linchpin of the corporate state. Solving those problems will probably require a massive collapse from internal rot. That seems to be happening now.
In the mean time, maybe one can make the climate change issue more urgent for more citizens of the world and prepare them for a time when that growth paradigm has to be abandoned and corporations are returned to the box they escaped from.
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Posted by: leonardfeingold on Oct 26, 2009 11:21 AM
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Secondly, climate change or is it man made climate change; man man climate change proposed by Al Gore etc seems to have morphed into climate change. Do Progressives think they are the Gods; climate change is the nature of things since the beginning of univerise.
OF course, we should control pollution which we in the West do pretty well; the argument that CO2 is "pollution" in the sense of artifically warming the universe is not at all proven; if anthing the evidence is negative.
So what is all the fuss; progressives sound like our fanatic moslems.
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Posted by: ProfBob on Oct 27, 2009 5:12 PM
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There is no question that China's one child policy has helped the world and the Chinese economy. Whenever a country attempts to reduce its population it can expect a two or three generation period of problems while deaths reduce to equal births. I hope that China will recognize this fact and keep its own population on the path to reduction--which should begin by 2050. China's actual fertility rate is not 1.0 per woman, but 1.8--the same as Norway's. But that 400 million fewer births since 1980 (equivalent to the population of the U.S. and Mexico) has been a boon for China and the world.
Business, wanting more customers, religions wanting more souls to save, and politicians wanting more warriors--along with the basic selfishness of people wanting more babies--are all part of the problem.
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Just as "we can't let the atmosphere contain more than 350 million parts per million of carbon dioxide, or else face total environmental catastrophe, problem being that we've already passed this number."Already it is crucial moment for us to save human beings of ourself .To live longer and health,we should stop harming our homestead. MTS Video Converter
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