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Michael Moore Debates Himself Over Obama Winning the Nobel Peace Prize
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The following is Michael Moore's follow-up letter to his initial reaction on Obama winning the Nobel Peace prize. The original letter appears below that:
Saturday, October 10th, 2009
Friends,
Last night my wife asked me if I thought I was a little too hard on Obama in my letter yesterday congratulating him on his Nobel Prize. "No, I don't think so," I replied. I thought it was important to remind him he's now conducting the two wars he's inherited. "Yeah," she said, "but to tell him, 'Now earn it!'? Give the guy a break -- this is a great day for him and for all of us."
I went back and re-read what I had written. And I listened for far too long yesterday to the right-wing hate machine who did what they could to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do the same?
We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for most of us -- but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?
Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else.
All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since Reagan took office.
But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we just pack up our toys and go home. So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters.
Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this:
The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.
Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to find the real terrorists and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad.
And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst global financial collapse since the Great Depression.
So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo is the least that you deserve. One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was time for change.
Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you promised to do. We need it. The world needs it. My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah!
Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),
Michael Moore
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Posted by: MeyravLevine on Oct 9, 2009 12:36 PM
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It is no secret that Obama escalated the aggression since he became WarLord-in-Chief is evidenced by an increased number of civilian casualties in Afghanistan as well as in Pakistan.
Of course, just as Obamabots remain in denial about Obama's neoliberal economic policies that help the bankers over the masses, the war mongering of Obama is also seen as peace making.
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» RE: The irony that Obama has been awarded this prize
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» So the Norwegians are Obamabots? who would have thought that?
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» Poor Becky. You're not helping Obama by being another dingbat.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 9, 2009 12:39 PM
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 9, 2009 12:49 PM
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» Well, what can you expect of the Norwegian Nobel committee?
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» Beck needs serious remedial learning on Norwegian Nobel Committee and I will help.
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» Great points but Beck is a paid Obama PR troll.
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» RE: To be precise:
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» It's not hope
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» RE: MM was a little more real on Charlie Rose...
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Posted by: bettyn on Oct 9, 2009 1:08 PM
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» RE: Good post, Mike
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 9, 2009 1:11 PM
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Well Done Michael Moore
Thank You
Tony
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» He's still the Blob that ate America!!!! n/t
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» RE: 2thepoint; Give it up son.
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» RE: He's still the Blob that ate America!!!! n/t
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Posted by: PaulK on Oct 9, 2009 1:16 PM
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These days, if four cops beat a black man to death on a Bay Area subway platform, or a cop lures a black Cambridge man out of his own house just so he can arrest him, we grieve, but we no longer expect a revenge riot in this country. We expect our government to itself try to return to ultimate justice.
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» Exception: Pittsburgh G20 police riot
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 9, 2009 1:28 PM
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Federal Reserve head Ben Bernanke will receive the distinguished "Transparency in Bookkeeping" award. Treasury Secretary Geithner to present award to Bernanke inside the NY Fed.
No reporters or outsiders will be welcome or allowed to see this ceremony and any that try to breach security will be tossed in jail
Israeli PM Netanyahu will be given the prestigious "Kindred Soul Award." This elite prize is shared by others, like Henry Kissinger and Jeffrey Dahlmer.
The award is to be presented in the new Israeli "Ministry of Truth" building, constructed in the West Bank on the rubble of several Palestinian homes whose owners were gently persuaded, using tanks and armored bulldozers, to move or else!
Former VP Dick Cheney will be fêted by surviving relatives of the WTC attacks when he receives the "9/11 Truthers" award.
Why not, if Obama is being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
kenny's sideshow: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize for not yet bombing Iran
P.S. 'Mikey' get a clue. The ones that attacked us on 9/11 aren't hiding in some Afghan cave, but are holed up in American 'think tanks.'
If you film a sequel to "Fahrenheit 9/11," next time don't use Ari Emanuel, the brother of MOSSAD agent and WH Chief of Staff Rahm to help you secure financing and develop leads.
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» Silverstein had the means and motive
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» Your mother had the means and motive
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» Three cheers for Lese Majeste and weathered and a free pizza and a beer for each of them !
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» And now the brain-dead alcoholics decide to chime in. Have another beer, genius.
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» RE: Get-yar-BUll : you certainly did!
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» I don't drink or do drugs, and I never have done them, either.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 9, 2009 1:49 PM
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WTF's Wrong With You Californian Girls?
Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize, His "Extraordinary" Diplomatic Efforts Cited
Tony
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Posted by: greenferret on Oct 9, 2009 3:18 PM
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» RE: Here's a spot-on progressive critique of Obama's peace prize
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» RE: Here's a spot-on progressive critique of Obama's peace prize
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Oct 9, 2009 3:54 PM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 9, 2009 3:54 PM
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Obama's Nobel Peace Prize by Glenn Greenwald
Now I am wondering.
What does the Nobel Prize staff know that they would give a pre-emptive Peace Nobel?
Is it cover for Israeli- Palestinian Peace Plan where Israel just might have to bend a little?
Is it cover for Iraq and Afghanistan withdrawal?
Are the Elites of the world so frightened of coming financial and military developments that they are circling their wagons?
Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize is good and frightening at the same time ...
But ... What aren't they telling us?
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Posted by: bonapartist on Oct 9, 2009 4:02 PM
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Having that track record in mind it is highly unlikely that he would do something amazing and worthy of Nobel Peace Prize during the rest of his term. Then again the price itself is laughable for a while now and this degrades it even further.
He could decline to accept it but that would kill the PR opportunity somebody worked hard to create.
Well said Michael Moore, thank you for your letter.
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Posted by: james108 on Oct 9, 2009 4:34 PM
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He escalated the slaughter in Afghanistan, threatened Iran for nuclear research, while condoning Israel's right to bear nuclear arms, and pretty much dismantled and dispersed the progressive peace movements, though not single handed. He has the help of fake grassroots campaigns like moveon.org and Axelrod's always got more AstroTurf up his sleeve. Inspiring delusion that belies his actions is not hopeful in the least bit.
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Posted by: serge-nn on Oct 9, 2009 5:39 PM
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you will close Guantanamo -- BO decided not even to pursue new legislation, just going with powers to indefinitely detain alleged terrorists, previously granted to G.W.Bush.
you will bring the troops home from Iraq -- how is that going? Who is going to secure all the bases and the new huge embassy in Baghdad?
you want a nuclear weapon-free world -- and Israel's nuclear weapons stay a "secret"
you admitted to the Iranians that we overthrew their democratically-elected president in 1953 -- now threatening them with a preemptive strike;
you made that great speech to the Islamic world in Cairo -- good speech, no comments;
you've eliminated that useless term "The War on Terror," -- while continuing and further escalating this useless war;
you've put an end to torture -- but refused to prosecute the torturers, so torture can be resumed anytime; actually, it never stopped, see Guantanamo above;
Does it really makes "us and the rest of the world feel a bit more safe"? Does it feel like this country is "taken in a much more sane direction"? All because of one good speech in Cairo??
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» RE: Oh really??
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» What about the end of the "nuclear shield" in Europe?
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Oct 9, 2009 5:39 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, the very fact that you've offered to walk into the minefield of hate and try to undo the irreparable damage the last president did is not only appreciated by me and millions of others, it is also an act of true bravery. That's why you got the prize. The whole world is depending on the U.S. -- and you -- to literally save this planet. Let's not let them down.
Actually, what the world, especially the Third World, wants is for Washington to get its jackboot off their necks. The White Knight in Shining Armor has been "saving" the non-white Third World for five centuries, and it hasn't worked out too well for them. All right, now their "savior" comes in the form of the Great Mulatto Knight in Shining Armor, but he is still an oppressive imperialist now matter how smooth talking he is.
He's not undoing what Bush did. He is escalating the occupation Bush left to him. How is that "undoing" what Bush did?
I don't think there is a politician who has earned more undeserved praise than Obama. All he has to do is spout a lot of nice rhetoric liberals love to hear, and then watch them gasp in awe at their Dear Leader.
War and Peace
I suppose we should not begrudge Barack Obama his Nobel Peace Prize, though it represents a radical break in tradition, since he's only had slightly less than nine months to discharge his imperial duties, most concretely through the agency of high explosives in the Hindu Kush whereas as laureates like Henry Kissinger had been diligently slaughtering people across the world for years.
Woodrow Wilson, the liberal imperialist with whom Obama bears some marked affinities, won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1919, having brought America into the carnage of the First World War. The peace laureate president who preceded him was Teddy Roosevelt, who got the prize in 1906 as reward for sponsorship of the Spanish-American war and ardent bloodletting in the Philippines. Senator George Hoar’s famous denunciation of Roosevelt on the floor of the US Senate in May of 1902 was probably what alerted the Nobel Committee to Roosevelt’s eligibility for the Peace Prize:
“You have sacrificed nearly ten thousand American lives—the flower of our youth. You have devastated provinces. You have slain uncounted thousands of the people you desire to benefit. You have established reconcentration camps. Your generals are coming home from their harvest bringing sheaves with them, in the shape of other thousands of sick and wounded and insane to drag out miserable lives, wrecked in body and mind. You make the American flag in the eyes of a numerous people the emblem of sacrilege in Christian churches, and of the burning of human dwellings, and of the horror of the water torture. ”
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Posted by: mdarlinggg on Oct 9, 2009 6:00 PM
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I see this award as:
"The Nobel, by the way, we haven't forgotten all that stuff you said during your presidential campaign, Peace Prize".
I agree, he needs to earn it, or return it...
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Posted by: hagwind on Oct 9, 2009 7:36 PM
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Maybe you back-stabbing, finger-pointing, "me me me" AlterNutters could try, just try, to live up to the responsibility.
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» Yeah, That's Right, It's In Sweden...
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» Methinks you lack Clue One on the World you Live In
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» It is Norway, not Sweden
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» NO... It's Sweden (Norway only awards the "Peace Prize")
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» Picking gnat-sh*t out of pepper again, Mister_Cyclops?
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» Still hooked on to Obama Koolaid?
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» Still a used toilet water connoisseur, scumbag?
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» RE: Methinks y'all are missing an important point
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» You're missing the point that your "important point" is entirely unimportant
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» Notice Hagwind's tone is always snide, combative, and egotistical. Methinks she's a bitter old hag.
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» You sure? Usually, she's not like this. I think she's just not having a good day.
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» RE: Notice Hagwind's tone is always snide, combative, and egotistical. Okay, "bitter old hag" and "
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» Notice how Beck acts like the formerly disgraced "foreverhope".
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» RE: Methinks y'all are missing an important point; yes, they are, but bitterness does that to people
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» The people lost and that's why they're bitter and they're not gonna take it any more.
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Posted by: adempatriot on Oct 9, 2009 8:27 PM
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I believe the world would respect you more if you refused the Nobel. I also think you would keep your own self-respect if you refused it. Unless, of course, you decide to end the illegal and unconscionable occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Otherwise it is all b.s. .
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Posted by: Artra on Oct 9, 2009 8:58 PM
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 9, 2009 9:48 PM
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The Nobel family has condemned the Nobel Prize along with its BS “Sveriges Riksbank Prize” “economics” award (invented to circumvent the Nobel intention) for decades now. Small wonder with “war on terror” salesmen like Wall Street bankrolled Barack “bubbles” Obama cashing in.
“There is nothing wrong with you doing what the last guy failed to do -- capture the man or men responsible for the mass murder of 3,000 people on 9/11”
Really?
Nothing wrong with “what the last guy failed to do” ?
Dear Michael Moore,
Last time I looked 9/11 was still a criminal coverup and most likely a false-flag operation that Bin Laden and his supposed cave boys denied any involvement in. And 9/11 “war on terror” based on 1,000 lies (Center for Public Integrity) is Barack Obama’s favorite war bar none.
Patriots Question 9/11
9/11 “War on Terror” = sham war of 1,000 lies
Your column is a farce travesty that takes Americans for idiot sheep. And even if it’s true that Americans are that mindless, it makes you, Michael Moore, a clod for reselling Fascist establishment Kool-Aid.
Yours,
John Q. Public
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» Mister_Cyclops scribbles, "...Your column is a farce travesty..." %^)
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» I don't
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» Yes, a I am genius
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» Read it and still
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» Neocon troll "GuitarBill" drops off the deep end
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» Why don't you Google illiterate, hairy one?
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» RE: I just did and a picture of GuitarBUll popped up.
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» You're nothing but a neo-fascist liar.
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» in academia
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» F
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» Arrogant, aren't you? So where's your evidence?
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» RE: Get-yar-BUll :New York Times? Please!
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» As opposed to what? Thoroughly discredited conspiranoid websites? What an idiot.
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» RE: Arrogant, aren't you? So where's your evidence?
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» Neocon Billy Fails the Smell Test [ Neocon = Lies ]
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» and here we go
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» Lying and CHANGING THE SUBJECT again, Juven the neo-fascist liar?
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» What's the matter intellectual midget, am I starting to get to you?
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» yawn
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» That's right, [expletive deleted]_vs_Kleptocracy, when caught lying, change the subject and attack
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» Lying again, Mister_Cyclops?
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» attack
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» Still working on the difference between a refutation and an ad hominem attack, genius?
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» you have never helped
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» RE: Don't you love GuitarBUlls sources?
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» As opposed to what, you're thoroughly discredited conspiranoid bull[expletive deleted] web sites?
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» Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, cocaine, hookers and 49 other things you may not know
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» Lying again, "truther"?
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» Notice the avoidance of
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» What point? You haven't made any points. All you've done is lie.
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» RE: He is nothing more than a provocateur, as Limpbough, Beck, and the like.
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» Guitar Bill's Striking a Sour Chord
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» That's right, your Amanda Keller lies are DEBUNKED, so hurry and change the subject.
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» RE: Like arguing with a dining room table. Billy's a waste of time.
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» or a toilet
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» Changing the subject again? Just can't get over the fact that I busted you lying, can you?
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» yes
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» Just keep yammering, Juven, I always yawn when I'm interested.
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» yawn again
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» RE: You give yourself too much credit, your sources are questionable.
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» RE:Michael Moore is a hero, and a true PATRIOT!
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» Even the devil can quote scripture--gbill
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» notice again
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» Right! Never mind that he or she is lying again.
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» Ok
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Posted by: Paul_C on Oct 9, 2009 10:51 PM
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He said he values open government while digging even deeper into the secrecy of the Unitary Executive and continuing to support some of the most noxious aspects of the "Patriot" Act (even the name of the bill is an insult to one's intelligence).
He said he would reform banking regulations but all he has done is hand them $21 trillion with no strings attached, which they used to merge into even bigger banks giving out even bigger bonuses for creating a great depression. Time to get their "great minds" back to work figuring out how to f*ck us all over once again!
He said he would reform the Health Care System but he took Single Payer off the table before negotiations even began, getting nothing for it. He is timidly supporting a public option, if at all. He made a dirty back room deal with Big Pharma that torpedoed efforts to allow the federal government to negotiate for cheaper drug prices.
He said Mountain Top Removal Mining was unconscionable but all he has done is put it on hold to "make sure it is done right" or whatever. How do you blow apart entire mountain ranges, dumping the waste all around, creating billion-gallon open air cesspools of toxic black sludge, and do that "the right way"??? How does that make any sense whatsoever??? How stupid do we appear to be?
He said he would get us out of Iraq but we all know how that is shaping up - a lateral move into Afghanistan and Pakistan. We'll see...
He said he values democracy in Latin America but has not stopped military support to Honduras since the coup.
He said he would stop torture but it still goes on in Gitmo via "Rapid Response Teams" that are basically thugs-gone-wild, beating the hell out of mostly innocent prisoners (rounded up simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time - which was actually Bush/Cheney battle doctrine) for even the slightest of perceived resistance to their keepers - brutal mind control tactics designed to break the spirit and sense of self.
The only thing I can see is what has already been suggested, that after Bush, Jack-the-Ripper would appear saintly material worth a Nobel Peace Prize.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: misencikjc on Oct 10, 2009 2:11 AM
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It has been clear for at least 40 years that the peace prize was one more political, propagandist statement to herd the populous.
For this same reason, I can't help but think the Norwegians were aware of their recent decision. In other words, it may have been a political move to highlight the liberal and progressive faith in Obama despite any evidence that he is progressive...in an effort to push him towards his campaign rhetoric. To get the world focused on how his campaign statements are in sharp opposition to his observed actions since becoming president.
Call me an optimist. If not, I'm seriously considering offing myself at this unbelievable award for Obama.
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 10, 2009 3:09 AM
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Of course, this is by no means the first Nobel Prize that could be called questionable. My particular favorite is William Faulkner receiving the prize in literature. Don't get me started. And there's always Milton Friedman, Yassar Arafat, etc.
But those people had at least dabbled in their respective fields, whereas Obama has not.
Milton Friedman really was an economist, whose policies have gutted nations around the world. Yassar Arafat was active in the peace (or peace and war) process. William Faulker had really written books.
But Obama, as everyone here knows, has yet to enter the field. I think that's what makes this Bummer Nobel the strangest one of all.
A Pig of a Bill
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» What's the matter Beck? Nervous that Obama doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?
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Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Oct 10, 2009 3:53 AM
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As an Internet peasant, my viewpoint is perhaps a distortion. Unlike Michael Moore, I do not sleep on a bed of money.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 10, 2009 3:56 AM
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The idea that the Nobel Peace Prize puts Obama on the hook seems to acknowledge that he somehow deserved it in the first place for doing little more than making glittering speeches and being less of an idiot that GWB.
It just highlights the fact that the NPP is little more than a political tool to flatter heads of imperialist empires into throwing the rest of the world a few crumbs. The irony is that the US has been falling behind the rest of the world, so this attempt at flattery seems a bit short-sighted and out-of-touch. They should look for new asses to kiss.
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Posted by: williameon on Oct 10, 2009 4:31 AM
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The Damage was done before he got there.
He will pull out of Iraq
He will draw down in Afghanistan
Our Brothers and Sisters must come HOME
To help here!
Rebuild America first and with something totally new
We have enough monoliths to excess.
The Political process in this Country is a sham
Politicians are bought, sold and paid for:
Corpirate Prostitues.
Who will stand up for the Little Guy? when
He is afraid to stand up for himself?
The People are in one place,
The Political Process and The Politicians are in another.
Where are your liberties?
After a hundred years of neglect
What do you expect?
GREED GONE WILD!
Watch the video every night for FREE
Turn on the News at 11!
Obama is working with a failed system.
Everywhere he looks there’s road blocks, corruption, stagnation and
Opposition
The GREEDY want it to stay the same
ALL 4 me and NONE 4 U!
Sound familiar?
Tinkle Down Economics!
Barricades are erected to stop change
Pundits prostrate themselves in the way
While the Wealthy Minion,
Media whores cry FOUL!
The system inhibits change.
What was designed originally to help, now impedes.
It needs a 21st Century system UPDATE,
What can you do?
HELP!
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» Poor Beck. You're not helping Obama with your bozo talk.
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Posted by: picket on Oct 10, 2009 7:50 AM
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Instead we have delusion in high places. As Paul Craig Stevens reminds us in "Warmonger Wins Peace Prize"
-new war in Pakistan millions displaced
-upped War in Afghanistan
-Iraq still occupied
-Guantanamo torture still active
Nobel Committee feels that this man gives the people of the world "hope for a better future." WHY??? Could it mean "WAR IS PEACE"?
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Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Oct 10, 2009 11:22 AM
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2009 - Barack Obama
"For his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
2007 - IPCC, Al Gore
"For their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"
2002 - Jimmy Carter
"for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development"
1919 - Woodrow Wilson
Founder of the League of Nations
1906 - Theodore Roosevelt
Collaborator of various peace treaties
In the comparison of US presidents (by political party) who were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, could the GOP explain why they have yet to be picked since the prize started in 1901?
With 109 years of opportunity, what meaningful response could the GOP give to explain their lack of ownership to this prize?
Since Obama is giving away the prize money to a charity or charities, why hasn't the GOP come forward and suggested (if a republican president had won) which charity or charities they would give the prize money to?
Does anyone think the GOP would do anything compassionate with the prize money if they ever won a Nobel?
No, I didn't think so either...
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Posted by: Juven on Oct 10, 2009 11:49 AM
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Posted by: slugsucker on Oct 10, 2009 12:23 PM
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Remember November 2008? What was the alternative, Bush/Palin? Do you see either of them getting a Nobel Prize for anything? Do you think there'd even be a discussion about closing Guantanamo, reducing troops in Afghanistan, negotiating with Iran, changing the missile strategy in Eastern Europe, reforming healthcare, or making 1/10 the effort to reduce our dependency on petroleum?
Politics is not just about having it your way. The conservatives count on your closed minds and narrow, extremist agenda to divide the left and further their extreme viewpoints. Wake up!
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» Thanks, and BTW, the Nobel Prize is not part of American politics, much as some of you are
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 10, 2009 1:26 PM
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One would think you don't agree with the Royal Sweedish Committee's choice, and that someone else should've gotten it.
Where was all the heated rhetoric and negativity when it was actually NEEDED in the wake of the phony 2000 "election"?
Now THAT was something REAL to get het up about. Just look at what happened as a result of letting that monsterous crime go unanswered. We really do need to sort things out and put them in their proper place-or is it too late for that?
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» 10 million Swedish crowns, which I think is just over a million US. He's giving it to charity.
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Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on Oct 10, 2009 3:10 PM
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We need to get out of all of the 820 USA installations in over 40 countries!! And if some of these countries have Taliban type thugs that overthrow the government then maybe then citizens will do more to fight for their own freedom. The aid and support we give these countries is nothing different from enabling a drug addict!
And while we are at it, send the UN to Sweden or Switzerland and get it out of the United States!
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Posted by: DeanTaylor on Oct 10, 2009 8:06 PM
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It worked flawlessly in 1917--German-Americans got their heads handed to them, with the connivance of the State--and it works today.
To address the perennial all-American concern, "Why Johnny Can't Read" check with Johnny's dopey, gullible, TV-watching parents. Obama got the award because "they" knew that Johnny's parents would not only approve--they'd be thrilled!
(continued...)
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Posted by: RICHARD RALPH ROEHL on Oct 10, 2009 8:25 PM
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» Thanks, we really needed to hear Rush Limburger speak on this matter, that really clears things up..
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» Read his post again and reread your own. Both of you have some agreement.
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 11, 2009 3:23 AM
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Kills some more Pakistani's and starts a new war in Asia.
Kills some more Afghans and sends more of our kids to die in the "
Wars for Wall Street and Israel" project.
Yes, 'Mikey,' Uncle Obama is more generous than Santa Claus!!
Perhaps OBOMBA could fly a B-2 bomber loaded with bunker busters over to Norway to pick up his PIECE prize and drop those bombs on Iran on his way to Oslo?
That way, he wouldn't generate all those nasty CO2 gases that are destroying the planet!!!
At least he's in good company. President's Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt both received the igNoble PIECE Prize.
Woodrow Wilson promised America during the 1916 presidential campaign to NOT get America involved in Europe's war, which he immediately set about doing as soon as he was re-elected.
Teddy "Bully" Roosevelt was Assistant Secretary of the Navy and had a hand in sending the USS Maine to Havana harbor. A false-flag explosion in the Maine gave the USA what it wanted; an excuse to declare war on Spain while promising to give freedom to the Phillipines and Cuba, a pledge which the USA immediately reneged on upon winning the war.
TR was given the peace prize not long after he’d displayed his boundless compassion for humanity by sponsoring an exhibition of Filipino “monkey men” in the 1904 St Louis World Fair as “the missing link” in the evolution of Man from ape to Aryan, and thus in sore need of assimilation, forcible if necessary, to the American way.
The only "Change" you can believe in is that spare change you've got in your pocket, if you still have any money left from Wall Street looters.
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» HaHaHa! Maybe the Swedes have a prize for creativity! n/m
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Posted by: bonapartist on Oct 11, 2009 5:59 AM
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Best of all Alternet erased the first letter and pasted the new version despite the fact most of the comments were made by readers regarding the FIRST letter. What, you couldn't post Moore's SECOND letter in a different place? No, I guess not, that would leave his undesirable comments readable for all. This way we cannot make a comparison.
Nice work Alternet, would you care for some more whitewash? I think you missed a few spots.
Feel free to check the internet to learn what newspapers around the world commented and yes it is pretty similar to Moore's FIRST letter. Majority either remained neutral or expressed down right disbelief while politicians and diplomats dutifully sent congratualtions.
Now we have DNC party line - Obama deserved a Nobel Peace Prize by the simple merit of not being a retard like his predecessor. And to boot there is a good old US centric approach, apparently the award was a tip of the hat to Americans doing the "right" thing.
Now Nobel Peace Prize is OK since Moore's wife pointed out error of his ways to him. Obama deserved it being a messiah and Americans are center of the World.
Right. I am going to be a cynical bastard and say somebody didn't like Moore's comment and turned a few screws. As a result Moore's wife miraculously popped as an inspiration.
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» And Beck shows her own immaturity for failing to correct her own Obama cultist prejudices.
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» And yes, American DO think themselves the center when five Norwegians give an award and
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» What if those 5 Norwegians were corrupt just like the Democrats and Republicans?
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Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 11, 2009 7:46 AM
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You have contributed much with your thought-provoking movies, thank you for that.
And, I do share your longing and hope for a better world.
However, hoping and longing and wishing it to be true will not make it happen.
Michael: "..it was as if one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end."
"..it was as if......"
Obama proved his allegiance with the corporate ruling class with his votes in Congress and continues to align himself with that same corporate ruling class as President.
"...to go wherever he wanted..."
You, and other followers of your leader, Obama, whom you believe can do no wrong and will do better, despite all of the facts proving otherwise, is very dangerous, irresponsible and childish behavior.
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster." -- James Baldwin
No, Michael, we will not "come join" you.
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Posted by: Johanna Moren on Oct 11, 2009 7:53 AM
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Good on you Michael!!
From where I am sitting in Sweden I would just like to add the fact that he didn't go on with putting Missile detectors or what ever they are called in Europe, that in my eyes makes him worthy of the Peace Prize. This was the action of a very brave man.
Perhaps one day he might even thank Russia for their help in winning the WW2.
Their losses were much greater than ours.
Johanna Moren
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 11, 2009 8:59 AM
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The POTUS could do it. I could do it and you could do it if we were POTUS. Who couldn't do it is a crook, a coward, or a corporate stooge. The thing that is keeping Obama from acheiving "his goals" is his unwillingness to pursue them. It is not enough to talk; you actually have to operate the levers of power at your fingertips.
"I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security into the stock market."
Oh, please Michael. Surely you realize what a disaster it would be for the Republicans to successfully overturn Roe v Wade or to eliminate any of the other wedge issues that are their bread and butter? They make their base wait for those changes until at least after the next election, and then the one after that. Are you really so whipped that you can't see the Dems playing the same game with us?
"Our side?"
Who the freak are you talking about, "our side?" Weren't you calling for a revolution just a short while ago? Is your latest movie such a success that you are now mainstream and wish us to believe that the Democratic party is even remotely on the same page as we are? The problem with "our side" is that the other side has all the money, and consequently, people on "our side" keep switching over to "their side" to turn a better profit. Only people on "their side" get the sort of 24/7 free media time necessary to make their points to the public. Once in those positions, they carefully censor themselves in order to keep their status. Is this what has happened to you?
"The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize."
By that logic, the simple fact that SH tortured people made everything that happened at Abu Ghraib and GITMO righteous. We don't give people gold medals for not being GW. What we should be doing is imprisoning everyone who IS GW for life. Substituting the former for the latter is not a victory.
"Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were totally and thoroughly rebuked."
What an idiotic lie. What happened on that day is that the crimes of the Bush/Cheney years were graphically and irrefutably proven to be, in fact, perfectly legal by American standards. This was accomplished by electinig a POTUS who found nothing illegal, immoral, or counterproductive in them as evidenced by his continuation of all those policies and his refusal to prosecute their authors. Obama is legitimizing the fascist coup as predicted, and his presidency will lead to a regime that will make Bush/Cheney look like moderates, just as Clinton lead to Bush/Cheney. You were there Michael; you saw it happen, and you are watching it happen again, but, for some reason, you have now decided to pretend. Bush's wars, Bush's Justice Department, Bush's CIA, Bush's NSA, Bush's Treasury, Bush's economy, Bush's sycophantic media, Bush's torture, Bush's illegal prisons, Bush's lies are all still going strong. Indeed, they are stronger and more secure than ever now that Obama has wrapped his ostensible legitimacy around them. And now Michael Moore has been enlisted in the cause of legitimizing Bush's crimes by wrapping his ostensible legitimacy around Obama. Dude, it is time to compose a third letter.
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Posted by: james108 on Oct 11, 2009 9:57 AM
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All I really know is that there were intense business interest lobbying for us to secure Afghanistan for years, Brezizinski, Obama's sugar daddy, has been interested in controlling it since Carter (see his Grand Chessboard and Mujaheddin involvements), and that once 911 happened, the media and government was completely silent on all these conflicts of interest while pushing us to invade them first based on heresy, then later justified by a dubbed up video tape they supposedly found after our invasion.
I clearly remember the Taliban offering to turn over Bin Laden if we could provide actual evidence, and Bush's refusal to provide said evidence up to and past the days we started bombing them and thousands of civilians into the ground. The "savages" actually wanted discussion and evidence. How trite. Good thing they got Obama to brush over the criminal beginnings of the war, since it's the "right war to fight now".
I really hope no self respecting lover of humanity in any form buys this whitewash just because it's done by a man of color. That would be the ultimate insult. We can teach young black kids that you have to turn your back on humanity and make racist murder and exploitation sound good if you want to get ahead. Heck, you can even be president and win a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Posted by: jende on Oct 11, 2009 10:32 AM
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Posted by: oregoncharles on Oct 11, 2009 11:34 AM
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So JUST GETTING ELECTED earns O the prize? Shouldn't it go to the voters, in that case? Did someone forget to nominate them? Obama CAMPAIGNED on a promise to escalate the war in Afghanistan, a promise he is now keeping. That gets him the Peace Prize? Ask the Afghans. Or the demoralized American soldiers there, for that matter.
It wasn't a "great day" for them or for us; it was a travesty. The Prize hasn't been taken seriously for a while, but this is the end.
A technical note: the Peace Prize Committee is elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Who is governing Norway these days? They are not a neutral country; as part of NATO, they're implicated in the war in Afghanistan.
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 11, 2009 2:15 PM
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He'll do this for hours on end for no apparent purpose except to make him feel big and bad, barking like mad at the moon.
I've thought about taking him to the vet to have him put to sleep, but he's such a funny guy when he's not foaming at the mouth!
Luckily for the canine world and humanity, he's neutered.
His mother is the neighbor's dog but not sure who the father is, so I guess that makes my Guitar Bill a ....
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Posted by: PaulK on Oct 11, 2009 6:02 PM
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President Obama did not put a hair-trigger anti-missile system in Europe to antagonize nuclear Russia. He canceled that program. We're less likely to have an accidental hair-trigger nuclear exchange. Both countries can afford to concentrate more on their injured economic situations.
President Obama also made it clear abroad that all Christians don't hate all Muslims. Americans need this understanding, that Islam, which inherits great chunks of the New and Old Testaments intact, is a denomination. Al Qaeda no more represents Islam than the Irish Republican Army represents Roman Catholicism. Islam has its ruthless capitalists and its oligarchs, but so do primarily Christian African countries, and so does the U.S. The world needs this understanding of religious faith versus shooting wars so that together we may deprive Al Qaeda of its recruiting base population. There may still be petty little wars to steal some neighbor's cash and land, but that's not religiously popular. Nobody commits suicide just to steal cash unless maybe Charlie Manson gets into their head.
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Posted by: PointMan on Oct 11, 2009 6:43 PM
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Oh yeah?
How is that supposed to add up? The Wall ST. felons that Obama fronts for have everything they wanted:
1] Endless bogus genocide “war on terror” created out of a 9/11 Frankenstein coverup that is still a sure sign of treason under Police State criminal snow job.
2] Endless “Wall ST. Bailouts” that are a bloody parasite on the nation for a tab of anywhere from $11 TRILLION to $26 TRILLION (so far) depending on who keeps score.
3] a FISA spy state that makes a mockery of the Constitution and American civil rights.
4] No real progress on any public reform package including American health care.
The list goes on, ad nauseaum.
The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize.
Wow. He “earned” it because he was SELECTED (NOT actually elected since all real choices were nixed) by the corporate run DC-MSM Mafia zoo.
That’s deep.
Here’s another take:
Bright star Obama went from zero to president in 5 years on Wall ST. blood money cash and ruling class connections, to do the will of Police State oligarchs. End of story.
For Michael Moore to second-guess his own feeble excuse for almost criticizing a Wall ST. Police State puppet like Obama is quite sad. Sickening.
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Posted by: wormfarmer on Oct 11, 2009 11:57 PM
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Posted by: Paul_C on Oct 12, 2009 12:09 AM
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CNBC reports that following Obama's embracing speech to the LGBT rally, his staff called them part of the "Internet Left fringe".
Apparently being a Peacemaker involves sucking up to people you really could give a shit about, telling them what they want to hear, then going on your merry way and doing exactly the opposite of what you just promised.
This has become a defining characteristic of Obama's style - he is a glad-handing two-timing liar who tells you what you want to hear as he muses to himself what a loser you are for being such a gullible schmuck.
peace,
Paul
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Posted by: corylus on Oct 12, 2009 11:29 PM
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I hope like hell Al Qaeda blows this nation to the miserable hell it deserves.
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After reporting big profits over the last six months, Bank of America lost $1 billion in the third quarter as growing numbers of consumer
loans soured and the bank paid millions of dollars to wean itself off government life support. Bank of America posted a loss of 26 cents a share for the three months from July through September, compared with a profit of $3.2 billion in the second quarter. Wall Street analysts had been expecting a loss of
12 cents a share. The bank earned $1.18 Billion, or 15 cents a share, in the quarter a year ago. Go to Article from The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/business/17bank.html?dlbk
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'Half Broke Horses' By JEANNETTE WALLS
Reviewed by LIESL SCHILLINGER
Assuming her maternal grandmother's voice, the author of "The Glass Castle" recreates an adrenaline-charged existence on the rough-and-tumble Southwest frontier.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/books/review/Schillinger- t.html?nl=books&emc=booksupdateema1
'Stripping Bare the Body: Politics Violence
War' By MARK DANNER Reviewed by GEORGE PACKER
Two decades of articles chronicling the ways in which atrocities expose the balance of power within societies.
May I go to see my GP as I feel like I am pregnant? I am a man but just that.
novation
MEANING:
noun: The replacing of an obligation, a contract, or a party to an agreement with a new one.
ETYMOLOGY:
From novare (to make new), from novus (new). Ultimately from the Indo-European root newo- (new) that is also the source of new, neo-, novice, novel, novelty, innovate, renovate, misoneism (fear of change), and novercal (stepmotherly).
USAGE:
"They are essentially contracts meant to be honoured subject only to agreed changes by novation."
S. Rajaratnam; Direct Taxes Code; The Hindu (Chennai, India); Aug 31, 2009.
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are. -J.K. Rowling, author (b. 1965)
I thank you
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After reporting big profits over the last six months, Bank of America lost $1 billion in the third quarter as growing numbers of consumer
loans soured and the bank paid millions of dollars to wean itself off government life support. Bank of America posted a loss of 26 cents a share for the three months from July through September, compared with a profit of $3.2 billion in the second quarter. Wall Street analysts had been expecting a loss of
12 cents a share. The bank earned $1.18 Billion, or 15 cents a share, in the quarter a year ago. Go to Article from The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/17/business/17bank.html?dlbk
On the Cover of Sunday's Book Review -
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'Half Broke Horses' By JEANNETTE WALLS
Reviewed by LIESL SCHILLINGER
Assuming her maternal grandmother's voice, the author of "The Glass Castle" recreates an adrenaline-charged existence on the rough-and-tumble Southwest frontier.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/books/review/Schillinger- t.html?nl=books&emc=booksupdateema1
'Stripping Bare the Body: Politics Violence
War' By MARK DANNER Reviewed by GEORGE PACKER
Two decades of articles chronicling the ways in which atrocities expose the balance of power within societies.
May I go to see my GP as I feel like I am pregnant? I am a man but just that.
novation
MEANING:
noun: The replacing of an obligation, a contract, or a party to an agreement with a new one.
ETYMOLOGY:
From novare (to make new), from novus (new). Ultimately from the Indo-European root newo- (new) that is also the source of new, neo-, novice, novel, novelty, innovate, renovate, misoneism (fear of change), and novercal (stepmotherly).
USAGE:
"They are essentially contracts meant to be honoured subject only to agreed changes by novation."
S. Rajaratnam; Direct Taxes Code; The Hindu (Chennai, India); Aug 31, 2009.
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
We've all got both light and dark inside us. What matters is the part we choose to act on. That's who we really are. -J.K. Rowling, author (b. 1965)
I thank you
Firozali A. Mulla
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It is no secret that Obama escalated the aggression since he became WarLord-in-Chief is evidenced by an increased number of civilian casualties in Afghanistan as well as in Pakistan.
Of course, just as Obamabots remain in denial about Obama's neoliberal economic policies that help the bankers over the masses, the war mongering of Obama is also seen as peace making.
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» So the Norwegians are Obamabots? who would have thought that?
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» Poor Becky. You're not helping Obama by being another dingbat.
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Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 9, 2009 12:39 PM
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» Beck needs serious remedial learning on Norwegian Nobel Committee and I will help.
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» Great points but Beck is a paid Obama PR troll.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 9, 2009 1:11 PM
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Well Done Michael Moore
Thank You
Tony
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Posted by: PaulK on Oct 9, 2009 1:16 PM
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These days, if four cops beat a black man to death on a Bay Area subway platform, or a cop lures a black Cambridge man out of his own house just so he can arrest him, we grieve, but we no longer expect a revenge riot in this country. We expect our government to itself try to return to ultimate justice.
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» Exception: Pittsburgh G20 police riot
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 9, 2009 1:28 PM
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Federal Reserve head Ben Bernanke will receive the distinguished "Transparency in Bookkeeping" award. Treasury Secretary Geithner to present award to Bernanke inside the NY Fed.
No reporters or outsiders will be welcome or allowed to see this ceremony and any that try to breach security will be tossed in jail
Israeli PM Netanyahu will be given the prestigious "Kindred Soul Award." This elite prize is shared by others, like Henry Kissinger and Jeffrey Dahlmer.
The award is to be presented in the new Israeli "Ministry of Truth" building, constructed in the West Bank on the rubble of several Palestinian homes whose owners were gently persuaded, using tanks and armored bulldozers, to move or else!
Former VP Dick Cheney will be fêted by surviving relatives of the WTC attacks when he receives the "9/11 Truthers" award.
Why not, if Obama is being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
kenny's sideshow: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize for not yet bombing Iran
P.S. 'Mikey' get a clue. The ones that attacked us on 9/11 aren't hiding in some Afghan cave, but are holed up in American 'think tanks.'
If you film a sequel to "Fahrenheit 9/11," next time don't use Ari Emanuel, the brother of MOSSAD agent and WH Chief of Staff Rahm to help you secure financing and develop leads.
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» And now the brain-dead alcoholics decide to chime in. Have another beer, genius.
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» I don't drink or do drugs, and I never have done them, either.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Oct 9, 2009 1:49 PM
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WTF's Wrong With You Californian Girls?
Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize, His "Extraordinary" Diplomatic Efforts Cited
Tony
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» RE: Here's a spot-on progressive critique of Obama's peace prize
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Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Oct 9, 2009 3:54 PM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Oct 9, 2009 3:54 PM
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Obama's Nobel Peace Prize by Glenn Greenwald
Now I am wondering.
What does the Nobel Prize staff know that they would give a pre-emptive Peace Nobel?
Is it cover for Israeli- Palestinian Peace Plan where Israel just might have to bend a little?
Is it cover for Iraq and Afghanistan withdrawal?
Are the Elites of the world so frightened of coming financial and military developments that they are circling their wagons?
Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize is good and frightening at the same time ...
But ... What aren't they telling us?
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Posted by: bonapartist on Oct 9, 2009 4:02 PM
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Having that track record in mind it is highly unlikely that he would do something amazing and worthy of Nobel Peace Prize during the rest of his term. Then again the price itself is laughable for a while now and this degrades it even further.
He could decline to accept it but that would kill the PR opportunity somebody worked hard to create.
Well said Michael Moore, thank you for your letter.
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Posted by: james108 on Oct 9, 2009 4:34 PM
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He escalated the slaughter in Afghanistan, threatened Iran for nuclear research, while condoning Israel's right to bear nuclear arms, and pretty much dismantled and dispersed the progressive peace movements, though not single handed. He has the help of fake grassroots campaigns like moveon.org and Axelrod's always got more AstroTurf up his sleeve. Inspiring delusion that belies his actions is not hopeful in the least bit.
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Posted by: serge-nn on Oct 9, 2009 5:39 PM
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you will close Guantanamo -- BO decided not even to pursue new legislation, just going with powers to indefinitely detain alleged terrorists, previously granted to G.W.Bush.
you will bring the troops home from Iraq -- how is that going? Who is going to secure all the bases and the new huge embassy in Baghdad?
you want a nuclear weapon-free world -- and Israel's nuclear weapons stay a "secret"
you admitted to the Iranians that we overthrew their democratically-elected president in 1953 -- now threatening them with a preemptive strike;
you made that great speech to the Islamic world in Cairo -- good speech, no comments;
you've eliminated that useless term "The War on Terror," -- while continuing and further escalating this useless war;
you've put an end to torture -- but refused to prosecute the torturers, so torture can be resumed anytime; actually, it never stopped, see Guantanamo above;
Does it really makes "us and the rest of the world feel a bit more safe"? Does it feel like this country is "taken in a much more sane direction"? All because of one good speech in Cairo??
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» What about the end of the "nuclear shield" in Europe?
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Posted by: jooljetkmae on Oct 9, 2009 5:39 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, the very fact that you've offered to walk into the minefield of hate and try to undo the irreparable damage the last president did is not only appreciated by me and millions of others, it is also an act of true bravery. That's why you got the prize. The whole world is depending on the U.S. -- and you -- to literally save this planet. Let's not let them down.
Actually, what the world, especially the Third World, wants is for Washington to get its jackboot off their necks. The White Knight in Shining Armor has been "saving" the non-white Third World for five centuries, and it hasn't worked out too well for them. All right, now their "savior" comes in the form of the Great Mulatto Knight in Shining Armor, but he is still an oppressive imperialist now matter how smooth talking he is.
He's not undoing what Bush did. He is escalating the occupation Bush left to him. How is that "undoing" what Bush did?
I don't think there is a politician who has earned more undeserved praise than Obama. All he has to do is spout a lot of nice rhetoric liberals love to hear, and then watch them gasp in awe at their Dear Leader.
War and Peace
I suppose we should not begrudge Barack Obama his Nobel Peace Prize, though it represents a radical break in tradition, since he's only had slightly less than nine months to discharge his imperial duties, most concretely through the agency of high explosives in the Hindu Kush whereas as laureates like Henry Kissinger had been diligently slaughtering people across the world for years.
Woodrow Wilson, the liberal imperialist with whom Obama bears some marked affinities, won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1919, having brought America into the carnage of the First World War. The peace laureate president who preceded him was Teddy Roosevelt, who got the prize in 1906 as reward for sponsorship of the Spanish-American war and ardent bloodletting in the Philippines. Senator George Hoar’s famous denunciation of Roosevelt on the floor of the US Senate in May of 1902 was probably what alerted the Nobel Committee to Roosevelt’s eligibility for the Peace Prize:
“You have sacrificed nearly ten thousand American lives—the flower of our youth. You have devastated provinces. You have slain uncounted thousands of the people you desire to benefit. You have established reconcentration camps. Your generals are coming home from their harvest bringing sheaves with them, in the shape of other thousands of sick and wounded and insane to drag out miserable lives, wrecked in body and mind. You make the American flag in the eyes of a numerous people the emblem of sacrilege in Christian churches, and of the burning of human dwellings, and of the horror of the water torture. ”
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Posted by: mdarlinggg on Oct 9, 2009 6:00 PM
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I see this award as:
"The Nobel, by the way, we haven't forgotten all that stuff you said during your presidential campaign, Peace Prize".
I agree, he needs to earn it, or return it...
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Posted by: hagwind on Oct 9, 2009 7:36 PM
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Maybe you back-stabbing, finger-pointing, "me me me" AlterNutters could try, just try, to live up to the responsibility.
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» It is Norway, not Sweden
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» NO... It's Sweden (Norway only awards the "Peace Prize")
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» Picking gnat-sh*t out of pepper again, Mister_Cyclops?
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» Still hooked on to Obama Koolaid?
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» You're missing the point that your "important point" is entirely unimportant
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» Notice Hagwind's tone is always snide, combative, and egotistical. Methinks she's a bitter old hag.
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» You sure? Usually, she's not like this. I think she's just not having a good day.
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» Notice how Beck acts like the formerly disgraced "foreverhope".
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Posted by: adempatriot on Oct 9, 2009 8:27 PM
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I believe the world would respect you more if you refused the Nobel. I also think you would keep your own self-respect if you refused it. Unless, of course, you decide to end the illegal and unconscionable occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Otherwise it is all b.s. .
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Posted by: Mister_PsyOps on Oct 9, 2009 9:48 PM
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The Nobel family has condemned the Nobel Prize along with its BS “Sveriges Riksbank Prize” “economics” award (invented to circumvent the Nobel intention) for decades now. Small wonder with “war on terror” salesmen like Wall Street bankrolled Barack “bubbles” Obama cashing in.
“There is nothing wrong with you doing what the last guy failed to do -- capture the man or men responsible for the mass murder of 3,000 people on 9/11”
Really?
Nothing wrong with “what the last guy failed to do” ?
Dear Michael Moore,
Last time I looked 9/11 was still a criminal coverup and most likely a false-flag operation that Bin Laden and his supposed cave boys denied any involvement in. And 9/11 “war on terror” based on 1,000 lies (Center for Public Integrity) is Barack Obama’s favorite war bar none.
Patriots Question 9/11
9/11 “War on Terror” = sham war of 1,000 lies
Your column is a farce travesty that takes Americans for idiot sheep. And even if it’s true that Americans are that mindless, it makes you, Michael Moore, a clod for reselling Fascist establishment Kool-Aid.
Yours,
John Q. Public
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» I don't
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» Yes, a I am genius
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» Read it and still
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» Neocon troll "GuitarBill" drops off the deep end
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» RE: GuitarBill PWNED!
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» RE: GuitarBill PWNED!
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» RE:Git-yerBUll ;Depressed and regressed, not impressed
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» Why don't you Google illiterate, hairy one?
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» RE: I just did and a picture of GuitarBUll popped up.
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» RE: I bet you tried it too!
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» I'm not a "neo-con", [expletive deleted]vs_Kleptocracy
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» Neocon "GuitarBill" denies he is a Neocon
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» You're nothing but a neo-fascist liar.
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» in academia
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» Don't lecture me about academia.
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» F
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» Arrogant, aren't you? So where's your evidence?
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» RE: Get-yar-BUll :New York Times? Please!
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» As opposed to what? Thoroughly discredited conspiranoid websites? What an idiot.
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» RE: Arrogant, aren't you? So where's your evidence?
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» Neocon Billy Fails the Smell Test [ Neocon = Lies ]
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» Neo-fascist liar, @$$_vs_Kleptocracy cites a BOOK REVIEW as an "official source". LOL!
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» and here we go
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» Three cheers for Juven and a free beer and pizza.
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» Lying and CHANGING THE SUBJECT again, Juven the neo-fascist liar?
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» What's the matter intellectual midget, am I starting to get to you?
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» yawn
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» Troll Neocon Billy Boy gets Drunk on DC Kool-Aid
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» That's right, [expletive deleted]_vs_Kleptocracy, when caught lying, change the subject and attack
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» Paranoid NEOCON GuitarShill cries LIAR-FEST party line
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» Lying again, Mister_Cyclops?
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» RE: Hey BUll. tell me what you think about this:Iraqi Health care!
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» Paranoid NEOCON GuitarBS Barks More LIES
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» attack
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» Still working on the difference between a refutation and an ad hominem attack, genius?
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» you have never helped
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» RE: Don't you love GuitarBUlls sources?
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» As opposed to what, you're thoroughly discredited conspiranoid bull[expletive deleted] web sites?
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» Mohamed Atta loved pork chops, cocaine, hookers and 49 other things you may not know
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» Lying again, "truther"?
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» Notice the avoidance of
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» What point? You haven't made any points. All you've done is lie.
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» RE: He is nothing more than a provocateur, as Limpbough, Beck, and the like.
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» Guitar Bill's Striking a Sour Chord
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» That's right, your Amanda Keller lies are DEBUNKED, so hurry and change the subject.
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» RE: Like arguing with a dining room table. Billy's a waste of time.
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» or a toilet
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» Changing the subject again? Just can't get over the fact that I busted you lying, can you?
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» yes
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» Just keep yammering, Juven, I always yawn when I'm interested.
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» yawn again
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» RE: You give yourself too much credit, your sources are questionable.
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» RE:Michael Moore is a hero, and a true PATRIOT!
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» Even the devil can quote scripture--gbill
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» notice again
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» Right! Never mind that he or she is lying again.
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» Ok
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Posted by: Paul_C on Oct 9, 2009 10:51 PM
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He said he values open government while digging even deeper into the secrecy of the Unitary Executive and continuing to support some of the most noxious aspects of the "Patriot" Act (even the name of the bill is an insult to one's intelligence).
He said he would reform banking regulations but all he has done is hand them $21 trillion with no strings attached, which they used to merge into even bigger banks giving out even bigger bonuses for creating a great depression. Time to get their "great minds" back to work figuring out how to f*ck us all over once again!
He said he would reform the Health Care System but he took Single Payer off the table before negotiations even began, getting nothing for it. He is timidly supporting a public option, if at all. He made a dirty back room deal with Big Pharma that torpedoed efforts to allow the federal government to negotiate for cheaper drug prices.
He said Mountain Top Removal Mining was unconscionable but all he has done is put it on hold to "make sure it is done right" or whatever. How do you blow apart entire mountain ranges, dumping the waste all around, creating billion-gallon open air cesspools of toxic black sludge, and do that "the right way"??? How does that make any sense whatsoever??? How stupid do we appear to be?
He said he would get us out of Iraq but we all know how that is shaping up - a lateral move into Afghanistan and Pakistan. We'll see...
He said he values democracy in Latin America but has not stopped military support to Honduras since the coup.
He said he would stop torture but it still goes on in Gitmo via "Rapid Response Teams" that are basically thugs-gone-wild, beating the hell out of mostly innocent prisoners (rounded up simply for being in the wrong place at the wrong time - which was actually Bush/Cheney battle doctrine) for even the slightest of perceived resistance to their keepers - brutal mind control tactics designed to break the spirit and sense of self.
The only thing I can see is what has already been suggested, that after Bush, Jack-the-Ripper would appear saintly material worth a Nobel Peace Prize.
peace,
Paul
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» Appreciate your snide rude comments, even though you don't have a clue
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Posted by: misencikjc on Oct 10, 2009 2:11 AM
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It has been clear for at least 40 years that the peace prize was one more political, propagandist statement to herd the populous.
For this same reason, I can't help but think the Norwegians were aware of their recent decision. In other words, it may have been a political move to highlight the liberal and progressive faith in Obama despite any evidence that he is progressive...in an effort to push him towards his campaign rhetoric. To get the world focused on how his campaign statements are in sharp opposition to his observed actions since becoming president.
Call me an optimist. If not, I'm seriously considering offing myself at this unbelievable award for Obama.
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Posted by: sicntired on Oct 10, 2009 2:38 AM
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Posted by: Perry Logan on Oct 10, 2009 3:09 AM
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Of course, this is by no means the first Nobel Prize that could be called questionable. My particular favorite is William Faulkner receiving the prize in literature. Don't get me started. And there's always Milton Friedman, Yassar Arafat, etc.
But those people had at least dabbled in their respective fields, whereas Obama has not.
Milton Friedman really was an economist, whose policies have gutted nations around the world. Yassar Arafat was active in the peace (or peace and war) process. William Faulker had really written books.
But Obama, as everyone here knows, has yet to enter the field. I think that's what makes this Bummer Nobel the strangest one of all.
A Pig of a Bill
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» Maybe you need for form a faction and stage a coup
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» What's the matter Beck? Nervous that Obama doesn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?
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Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Oct 10, 2009 3:53 AM
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As an Internet peasant, my viewpoint is perhaps a distortion. Unlike Michael Moore, I do not sleep on a bed of money.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Oct 10, 2009 3:56 AM
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The idea that the Nobel Peace Prize puts Obama on the hook seems to acknowledge that he somehow deserved it in the first place for doing little more than making glittering speeches and being less of an idiot that GWB.
It just highlights the fact that the NPP is little more than a political tool to flatter heads of imperialist empires into throwing the rest of the world a few crumbs. The irony is that the US has been falling behind the rest of the world, so this attempt at flattery seems a bit short-sighted and out-of-touch. They should look for new asses to kiss.
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» Don't be a liar Beck. You're also begging for "entitlement" and Obama's too in the wrong way.
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Posted by: williameon on Oct 10, 2009 4:31 AM
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The Damage was done before he got there.
He will pull out of Iraq
He will draw down in Afghanistan
Our Brothers and Sisters must come HOME
To help here!
Rebuild America first and with something totally new
We have enough monoliths to excess.
The Political process in this Country is a sham
Politicians are bought, sold and paid for:
Corpirate Prostitues.
Who will stand up for the Little Guy? when
He is afraid to stand up for himself?
The People are in one place,
The Political Process and The Politicians are in another.
Where are your liberties?
After a hundred years of neglect
What do you expect?
GREED GONE WILD!
Watch the video every night for FREE
Turn on the News at 11!
Obama is working with a failed system.
Everywhere he looks there’s road blocks, corruption, stagnation and
Opposition
The GREEDY want it to stay the same
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Sound familiar?
Tinkle Down Economics!
Barricades are erected to stop change
Pundits prostrate themselves in the way
While the Wealthy Minion,
Media whores cry FOUL!
The system inhibits change.
What was designed originally to help, now impedes.
It needs a 21st Century system UPDATE,
What can you do?
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Plant the seeds of freedom in your backyard.
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Posted by: ZPaul on Oct 10, 2009 5:24 AM
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» Poor Beck. You're not helping Obama with your bozo talk.
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Posted by: picket on Oct 10, 2009 7:50 AM
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Instead we have delusion in high places. As Paul Craig Stevens reminds us in "Warmonger Wins Peace Prize"
-new war in Pakistan millions displaced
-upped War in Afghanistan
-Iraq still occupied
-Guantanamo torture still active
Nobel Committee feels that this man gives the people of the world "hope for a better future." WHY??? Could it mean "WAR IS PEACE"?
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Posted by: wagner on Oct 10, 2009 8:04 AM
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Posted by: DagemH on Oct 10, 2009 9:45 AM
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Posted by: Overburdened Planet on Oct 10, 2009 11:22 AM
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2009 - Barack Obama
"For his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"
2007 - IPCC, Al Gore
"For their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"
2002 - Jimmy Carter
"for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development"
1919 - Woodrow Wilson
Founder of the League of Nations
1906 - Theodore Roosevelt
Collaborator of various peace treaties
In the comparison of US presidents (by political party) who were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, could the GOP explain why they have yet to be picked since the prize started in 1901?
With 109 years of opportunity, what meaningful response could the GOP give to explain their lack of ownership to this prize?
Since Obama is giving away the prize money to a charity or charities, why hasn't the GOP come forward and suggested (if a republican president had won) which charity or charities they would give the prize money to?
Does anyone think the GOP would do anything compassionate with the prize money if they ever won a Nobel?
No, I didn't think so either...
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» as if any of that
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» Theodore Roosevelt was a Republican (nt)
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» Nobel Peace Prize Stat: Democrats 4, Republicans 1
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» RE: And a Bull Moose...
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Posted by: Juven on Oct 10, 2009 11:49 AM
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Posted by: slugsucker on Oct 10, 2009 12:23 PM
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Remember November 2008? What was the alternative, Bush/Palin? Do you see either of them getting a Nobel Prize for anything? Do you think there'd even be a discussion about closing Guantanamo, reducing troops in Afghanistan, negotiating with Iran, changing the missile strategy in Eastern Europe, reforming healthcare, or making 1/10 the effort to reduce our dependency on petroleum?
Politics is not just about having it your way. The conservatives count on your closed minds and narrow, extremist agenda to divide the left and further their extreme viewpoints. Wake up!
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» Obama or Mccain, woulda made no difference.
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» RE: Obama or Mccain, woulda made no difference.
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» RE: Obama or Mccain, woulda made no difference.
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» If things get worse, the Obama shills will keep dropping and the ones that remain
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» Thanks, and BTW, the Nobel Prize is not part of American politics, much as some of you are
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» Aren't you also part of American politics?
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» Discussing a change in course while going full speed ahead...
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Posted by: hilaryuk on Oct 10, 2009 12:38 PM
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Posted by: willymack on Oct 10, 2009 1:26 PM
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One would think you don't agree with the Royal Sweedish Committee's choice, and that someone else should've gotten it.
Where was all the heated rhetoric and negativity when it was actually NEEDED in the wake of the phony 2000 "election"?
Now THAT was something REAL to get het up about. Just look at what happened as a result of letting that monsterous crime go unanswered. We really do need to sort things out and put them in their proper place-or is it too late for that?
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Posted by: Blacktiger on Oct 10, 2009 1:57 PM
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» 10 million Swedish crowns, which I think is just over a million US. He's giving it to charity.
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» The same Beck that bashes vegetarians and vegans who don't guzzle.
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Posted by: MotherLodeBeth on Oct 10, 2009 3:10 PM
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We need to get out of all of the 820 USA installations in over 40 countries!! And if some of these countries have Taliban type thugs that overthrow the government then maybe then citizens will do more to fight for their own freedom. The aid and support we give these countries is nothing different from enabling a drug addict!
And while we are at it, send the UN to Sweden or Switzerland and get it out of the United States!
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Posted by: DeanTaylor on Oct 10, 2009 8:06 PM
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It worked flawlessly in 1917--German-Americans got their heads handed to them, with the connivance of the State--and it works today.
To address the perennial all-American concern, "Why Johnny Can't Read" check with Johnny's dopey, gullible, TV-watching parents. Obama got the award because "they" knew that Johnny's parents would not only approve--they'd be thrilled!
(continued...)
the Creel Committee
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» What?
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Posted by: RICHARD RALPH ROEHL on Oct 10, 2009 8:25 PM
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» Thanks, we really needed to hear Rush Limburger speak on this matter, that really clears things up..
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» Read his post again and reread your own. Both of you have some agreement.
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» Read my post again, then read his, then read yours, then spin around and whistle dixie
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Posted by: art11 on Oct 10, 2009 8:41 PM
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http://bit.ly/c67wZ
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» This is SPAM, and I am guessing that Shepard Fairey ordinarily paints black velvet Elvis "paintings"
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Posted by: Lese Majeste on Oct 11, 2009 3:23 AM
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Kills some more Pakistani's and starts a new war in Asia.
Kills some more Afghans and sends more of our kids to die in the "
Wars for Wall Street and Israel" project.
Yes, 'Mikey,' Uncle Obama is more generous than Santa Claus!!
Perhaps OBOMBA could fly a B-2 bomber loaded with bunker busters over to Norway to pick up his PIECE prize and drop those bombs on Iran on his way to Oslo?
That way, he wouldn't generate all those nasty CO2 gases that are destroying the planet!!!
At least he's in good company. President's Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt both received the igNoble PIECE Prize.
Woodrow Wilson promised America during the 1916 presidential campaign to NOT get America involved in Europe's war, which he immediately set about doing as soon as he was re-elected.
Teddy "Bully" Roosevelt was Assistant Secretary of the Navy and had a hand in sending the USS Maine to Havana harbor. A false-flag explosion in the Maine gave the USA what it wanted; an excuse to declare war on Spain while promising to give freedom to the Phillipines and Cuba, a pledge which the USA immediately reneged on upon winning the war.
TR was given the peace prize not long after he’d displayed his boundless compassion for humanity by sponsoring an exhibition of Filipino “monkey men” in the 1904 St Louis World Fair as “the missing link” in the evolution of Man from ape to Aryan, and thus in sore need of assimilation, forcible if necessary, to the American way.
The only "Change" you can believe in is that spare change you've got in your pocket, if you still have any money left from Wall Street looters.
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» RE: Mikey, "Uncle" Obama will grant all your wishes?
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» Obama supports Dubya and Raygun on policies.
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» Obuncletomma
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» HaHaHa! Maybe the Swedes have a prize for creativity! n/m
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» Er, make that the Norwegians...all those Scandinavians look alike...who can keep track? n/m
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Posted by: Beck on Oct 11, 2009 5:55 AM
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Posted by: bonapartist on Oct 11, 2009 5:59 AM
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Best of all Alternet erased the first letter and pasted the new version despite the fact most of the comments were made by readers regarding the FIRST letter. What, you couldn't post Moore's SECOND letter in a different place? No, I guess not, that would leave his undesirable comments readable for all. This way we cannot make a comparison.
Nice work Alternet, would you care for some more whitewash? I think you missed a few spots.
Feel free to check the internet to learn what newspapers around the world commented and yes it is pretty similar to Moore's FIRST letter. Majority either remained neutral or expressed down right disbelief while politicians and diplomats dutifully sent congratualtions.
Now we have DNC party line - Obama deserved a Nobel Peace Prize by the simple merit of not being a retard like his predecessor. And to boot there is a good old US centric approach, apparently the award was a tip of the hat to Americans doing the "right" thing.
Now Nobel Peace Prize is OK since Moore's wife pointed out error of his ways to him. Obama deserved it being a messiah and Americans are center of the World.
Right. I am going to be a cynical bastard and say somebody didn't like Moore's comment and turned a few screws. As a result Moore's wife miraculously popped as an inspiration.
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» Apologies to Alternet
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» A culture that despises people for correcting their first impressions when they regret them is
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» And Beck shows her own immaturity for failing to correct her own Obama cultist prejudices.
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» And yes, American DO think themselves the center when five Norwegians give an award and
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» What if those 5 Norwegians were corrupt just like the Democrats and Republicans?
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» He didn't even have to buy those 5 Norwegians
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Posted by: smf1403 on Oct 11, 2009 7:46 AM
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You have contributed much with your thought-provoking movies, thank you for that.
And, I do share your longing and hope for a better world.
However, hoping and longing and wishing it to be true will not make it happen.
Michael: "..it was as if one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end."
"..it was as if......"
Obama proved his allegiance with the corporate ruling class with his votes in Congress and continues to align himself with that same corporate ruling class as President.
"...to go wherever he wanted..."
You, and other followers of your leader, Obama, whom you believe can do no wrong and will do better, despite all of the facts proving otherwise, is very dangerous, irresponsible and childish behavior.
"People who shut their eyes to reality simply invite their own destruction, and anyone who insists on remaining in a state of innocence long after that innocence is dead turns himself into a monster." -- James Baldwin
No, Michael, we will not "come join" you.
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Posted by: Johanna Moren on Oct 11, 2009 7:53 AM
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Good on you Michael!!
From where I am sitting in Sweden I would just like to add the fact that he didn't go on with putting Missile detectors or what ever they are called in Europe, that in my eyes makes him worthy of the Peace Prize. This was the action of a very brave man.
Perhaps one day he might even thank Russia for their help in winning the WW2.
Their losses were much greater than ours.
Johanna Moren
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Oct 11, 2009 8:59 AM
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The POTUS could do it. I could do it and you could do it if we were POTUS. Who couldn't do it is a crook, a coward, or a corporate stooge. The thing that is keeping Obama from acheiving "his goals" is his unwillingness to pursue them. It is not enough to talk; you actually have to operate the levers of power at your fingertips.
"I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security into the stock market."
Oh, please Michael. Surely you realize what a disaster it would be for the Republicans to successfully overturn Roe v Wade or to eliminate any of the other wedge issues that are their bread and butter? They make their base wait for those changes until at least after the next election, and then the one after that. Are you really so whipped that you can't see the Dems playing the same game with us?
"Our side?"
Who the freak are you talking about, "our side?" Weren't you calling for a revolution just a short while ago? Is your latest movie such a success that you are now mainstream and wish us to believe that the Democratic party is even remotely on the same page as we are? The problem with "our side" is that the other side has all the money, and consequently, people on "our side" keep switching over to "their side" to turn a better profit. Only people on "their side" get the sort of 24/7 free media time necessary to make their points to the public. Once in those positions, they carefully censor themselves in order to keep their status. Is this what has happened to you?
"The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize."
By that logic, the simple fact that SH tortured people made everything that happened at Abu Ghraib and GITMO righteous. We don't give people gold medals for not being GW. What we should be doing is imprisoning everyone who IS GW for life. Substituting the former for the latter is not a victory.
"Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were totally and thoroughly rebuked."
What an idiotic lie. What happened on that day is that the crimes of the Bush/Cheney years were graphically and irrefutably proven to be, in fact, perfectly legal by American standards. This was accomplished by electinig a POTUS who found nothing illegal, immoral, or counterproductive in them as evidenced by his continuation of all those policies and his refusal to prosecute their authors. Obama is legitimizing the fascist coup as predicted, and his presidency will lead to a regime that will make Bush/Cheney look like moderates, just as Clinton lead to Bush/Cheney. You were there Michael; you saw it happen, and you are watching it happen again, but, for some reason, you have now decided to pretend. Bush's wars, Bush's Justice Department, Bush's CIA, Bush's NSA, Bush's Treasury, Bush's economy, Bush's sycophantic media, Bush's torture, Bush's illegal prisons, Bush's lies are all still going strong. Indeed, they are stronger and more secure than ever now that Obama has wrapped his ostensible legitimacy around them. And now Michael Moore has been enlisted in the cause of legitimizing Bush's crimes by wrapping his ostensible legitimacy around Obama. Dude, it is time to compose a third letter.
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» I think he has an internal conflict on what to make of all this.
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Posted by: james108 on Oct 11, 2009 9:57 AM
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All I really know is that there were intense business interest lobbying for us to secure Afghanistan for years, Brezizinski, Obama's sugar daddy, has been interested in controlling it since Carter (see his Grand Chessboard and Mujaheddin involvements), and that once 911 happened, the media and government was completely silent on all these conflicts of interest while pushing us to invade them first based on heresy, then later justified by a dubbed up video tape they supposedly found after our invasion.
I clearly remember the Taliban offering to turn over Bin Laden if we could provide actual evidence, and Bush's refusal to provide said evidence up to and past the days we started bombing them and thousands of civilians into the ground. The "savages" actually wanted discussion and evidence. How trite. Good thing they got Obama to brush over the criminal beginnings of the war, since it's the "right war to fight now".
I really hope no self respecting lover of humanity in any form buys this whitewash just because it's done by a man of color. That would be the ultimate insult. We can teach young black kids that you have to turn your back on humanity and make racist murder and exploitation sound good if you want to get ahead. Heck, you can even be president and win a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Posted by: jende on Oct 11, 2009 10:32 AM
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