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Right-Wing American Terrorists Issue YouTube Threat

Using the threat of violence to intimidate others for political ends is a form of terrorism.
October 7, 2009  |  
 
Joshua Holland is an editor and senior writer with AlterNet.
 
 
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There is no universally agreed-upon definition of the word "terrorism." As I've often said, the reason it's next to impossible to define the term is that everyone wants it to mean: 'violent acts in the pursuit of political goals with which I disagree.'

That aside, most agree that attempting to influence public officials through a threat of violence is an act of terrorism.

Watch this, from domestic terrorists purporting to be part of the newly re-energized "patriot movement" (it has no audio):

Is this any different than the videos Al Qaeda releases from time to time?

UPDATE: Looks like they took the video down. Here's a description via SPLC:

It advises President Obama and other prominent people (“Our Dear Leader and co.”) to “leave now and give us our country back” and to do so by next week.

“If you stay,” the silent video message continues, “ ‘We, The People’ will systematically dismantle you, destroy you and reclaim what is rightfully ours. …

“We are angry and we are ready to take back the rights of the people. We will fight and We will win. …

“Dead line [sic] for your national response: October 15, 2009

“Thank you to all patriots who support our cause. … Be prepared for when the fateful day of the declaration of war is nationally announced.”


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That is just creepy...
Posted by: BreeMass on Oct 7, 2009 2:12 PM   
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...but the montage of people listed as "the enemy" is such a random group as to be almost laughable. Obama I get. But Osama bin Laden, Oprah, Ed McMahon and the CDC?? Bill Gates?? I'm not exactly sure what they are getting at here. Not to mention, I don't think Osama bin Laden is in the US, so isn't directing the message in part to him sort of moot in the first place. I could go on, but really, why waste any more time!

Thanks for posting this Josh, I would have to agree that there is no substantive difference between this and an Al-Qaeda video!

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National Militia??? You mean NRA brain-dead rednecks!!
Posted by: snowdude38 on Oct 7, 2009 2:17 PM   
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Whatever... sore losers and bad attitudes!
Nothing new to see here, just move along and ignore the mentally challenged redneck crybabies! We won --- Tough Shit!!!!

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Why is this surprising...
Posted by: EncinoM on Oct 7, 2009 2:19 PM   
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After the SPLC's report over the summer and red meat that conservatives fed teh fringe lunatics, plus the likes of Alex Jones feeding them a daily dose of paranoia.

The problem is that like all fanatics they are immune to logic and reason. THe NWO bs has become their religon. These people need to be watched before they can hurt others.

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Why Wait til Oct 15?
Posted by: Saitia on Oct 7, 2009 2:41 PM   
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You can have my answer now: Fuck You all; may you all wind up dead or in court for treason, then dead. And I pray you didn't procreate in the mean time.

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» Speaking of dumbasses!!!!!!!! Posted by: GerryAttric
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Lulz! I Can Has Cheezburger?
Posted by: Louisa on Oct 7, 2009 2:48 PM   
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Anonymous got bored with the Church of Scientology or something?

This could easily be a hoax.

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hahahahaha!
Posted by: Robba29 on Oct 7, 2009 4:05 PM   
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our patients are weak! ahahahaha!

How can ANYONE take this seriously?

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The video has been taken down
Posted by: village1diot on Oct 7, 2009 8:49 PM   
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I missed it. Can anyone give a good description of it?

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God forbid we should swat these flies
Posted by: westomoon on Oct 8, 2009 3:43 AM   
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Two years ago, Code Pink members were arrested for wearing the wrong T-shirts. Now members of Congress (Michelle Bachman) are publicly urging their constituents to arm themselves and overthrow the government, videos like this are posted, and inflamed teabaggers are wearing submachine guns to Presidential events.

During the Bush years, every random street punk that cops didn't like the look of got picked up "under the Patriot Act". Now that the legitimate government of the US is being overtly threatened, law enforcement great and small is looking out the window, whistling nervously, because they don't want to inflame these people further. If that's not terrorism, I don't know what is.

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Can the federal government go after these people?
Posted by: Ellie1 on Oct 8, 2009 5:05 AM   
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Freedom of speech does not include threats. Everyone on fox news should be imprisoned. I bet Jeff Beck would cry a river in prison, but I would PAY to see it happen.

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Republican Convention
Posted by: QQOblivion on Oct 8, 2009 7:43 AM   
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Remember during the Republican Convention in Minnesota? Left-leaning protesters were arrested and charged with TERRORISM under Minnesota's version of the Patriot Act because some OTHER PEOPLE broke some windows.

Now this.

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Look for a different kind of video today!
Posted by: djnoll on Oct 8, 2009 8:22 AM   
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My name is Devon Noll, as many of you may know already. On October 18th I am leaving my home in Washington State to drive 7000 miles across this nation to DC. I plan on arriving on November 3rd to deliver a message to the President and Congress, and I need the help of every normal, sane American to deliver it. This kind of video (the one here which I missed as well) has no place in the public discourse and only leads others to react in fear. What I am planning is meant to counteract this kind of fearmongering and treason.

They used the word "patriot" to describe themselves? Well, my goal is to show them what real patriots look like in numbers so large that they will run in fear - not people waving guns or threatening the lives of our lawfully elected leaders, but rather people who quietly go about their lives until this nation is threatened, either from within or from without; people who want to take part in town halls in a civil manner; people who will not stand down when threats like this appear, but who stand up instead and say "I AM AN AMERICAN AND YOU CANNOT, YOU WILL NOT THREATEN WAR AGAINST ME OR THE GOVERNMENT I ELECTED!

People like those who posted that video are cowards and they have been seen ever since the rise of hate television under Rupert Murdoch and the quasi-dictatorship of Bush and Cheney. The Silent Majority of Americans have dismissed them for years, but now they have tasted "celebrity" and they think that real Americans will not stand up to them. It is time to show them that we will and that we will no longer be told to be afraid or allow our leaders to be cowed into submission.

Join me as I travel across America the end of this month. Go to my website at

Let Freedom Ring.Community

and find out what you can do to help send this message across America. We will stand up, we will be seen, and we will be heard:

I AM AN AMERICAN! YOU WILL INTIMIDATE ME! YOU CANNOT THREATEN ME THAT I WILL NOT STAND UP TO YOU! YOU WILL NOT THREATEN MY NATION WITH YOUR HATE AND YOUR VIOLENCE THAT I WILL NOT STAND UP TO YOU!

I will be posting a video on YouTube today for those of you who want to see who I am and hear what I have to say. You should be able to find it later today by searching under Devon Noll or Let Freedom Ring.Community.

I am leaving on October 18th, three days after their threat expires. Will I meet cowardly traitors like those that posted the video, or will I meet America, strong, proud, and in great numbers? I am not afraid! I AM AN AMERICAN AND WE ARE NOT COWARDS!

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More "divide and conquer" tactics.
Posted by: zigy on Oct 8, 2009 10:34 AM   
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This is the expected results desired by the likes of FOX news and those of Glenn Beck's ilk. Slander and inuendo to smear Obama (of whom I am not an apologist)to foment the race issue and now the idiot white,reactionary, racists have taken the bait, those of whom then form an even bigger ball of bait suitable to be swallowed by the progressives and liberal and Obama supporters.


Don't fall for this! Keep your eyes on the real issues: The absolute corruption of congress, the ungoing theft of taxpayer wealth by the banksters, and the ongoing wars at the behest of the military-industrial complex.

The First Ammendment extends to reactionary idiots, too. In deference to the late Justice Holmes, this does not amount to yelling "fire!" in a crowded theatre; let them speak their mind.

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What goes around, comes around.
Posted by: Mobyjuan on Oct 8, 2009 12:15 PM   
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If these loose-cannon wing nuts attempt to overthrow the United States Government they will be tried in a court of law under their own Patriot Act as Enemy Combatants, sentenced to spend the rest of their days at Leavenworth.

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Ha removed the video I see
Posted by: reelectnoone on Oct 8, 2009 1:34 PM   
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Gutless wonders. Brave until called out by actual people with brains.

I did not expect less than cowardice from this type of person(s).

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*Sigh*
Posted by: Femmy68 on Oct 8, 2009 3:15 PM   
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I guess these people don't realize this is treason until they're arrested on CHARGES of Treason.

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Who Is The Enemy?
Posted by: AlteredStates on Oct 8, 2009 4:34 PM   
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The only thing these "armed militias" are going to achieve is get themselves killed or imprisoned. The days when a rag tag group of revolutionaries could overthrow a government like ours ended in November 1782 when the Continental Army defeated the British Army in what is known as "The Revolutionary War".

If any group wants to overthrow the U.S. Government they will also have to defeat the entire U.S. military, kill most of our political leaders (from both parties), defeat the CIA (and all their "Black Ops groups), FBI, Secret Service, and all the other related security apparatus in this country. Oh, I almost forgot. Groups like Blackwater, and others, who are employed by the federal government would also have to be defeated.

Then, they will have to deal with most of the people in the U.S. who don't want their brand of liberty. So, again, the most that these groups will achieve is a little publicity, then, be hunted down, killed or imprisoned. Aside from hearing themselves talk and blowing smoke, there isn't much to them.

Granted, there is a lot to bitch about in this country, but, anyone who joins these groups is inviting disaster into their lives.

But, even if they did "win", then what? Who will be their leader? I know. They will probably fight about it the way the Sunni and Shiite do in the Muslim world. And, the beat goes on...

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It truly boggles my mind
Posted by: karen27 on Oct 8, 2009 5:49 PM   
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Why aren't these neo-con nutcases being arrested for both terrorist threats and treason? In fact it seems to me that many republicans fit at least the treason definiton. They seem to be doing all that they can to overthrow all that our Founding Fathers believed in.

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THE TRUE VIOLENCE COMES FROM THE RIGHT. IT DOESN'T CHANGE. THE
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Oct 8, 2009 10:03 PM   
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left only engages in violence when driven to it. The right does it as a matter of ordinary policy.

If you trace history for the last several hundred years, you will find rare left uprisings. You find that the killings, the murder and the wars have been by and for the right. It continues on.

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Where is the Secret Service in this?
Posted by: monkeywrench on Oct 8, 2009 10:13 PM   
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I thought that threatening the President was, in-and-of itself, a felony.

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suprise... the video link no longer works...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Oct 9, 2009 11:33 PM   
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Now that didnt take long now did it!


just another wasted article now

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Posted by: nature on Oct 12, 2009 5:54 AM   
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The only thing these "armed militias" are going to achieve is get themselves killed or imprisoned. The days when a rag tag group of revolutionaries could overthrow a government like ours ended in November 1782 when the Continental Army defeated the British Army in what is known as "The Revolutionary War".Tiffany Jewelry | Ed Hardy

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