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James Lovelock: Schemes to 'Reverse' Global Warming Could Lead to Disaster

Better, perhaps, to let the earth look after itself than try to regulate its system through mirrors, clouds and artificial trees.
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The idea of serious scientists and engineers gathering to discuss schemes for controlling the world's climate would a mere 10 years ago have seemed bizarre, or something from science fiction. But now, well into the 21st century, we are slowly and reluctantly starting to realise that global heating is real. We may have cool, wet summers in the UK, but we are fortunate compared with the Inuit, who see their habitat melting, and Australians and Africans who suffer intensifying heat and drought. We should not be surprised that public policy is edging ever nearer to geoengineering, the therapy our scientists are considering for a fevered planet.

Our senior scientific society, the Royal Society, met at the start of the month to launch the report "Geoengineering the Climate" and to hear from its representative scientists. The meeting was hosted by the president, Lord Rees, and the chairman was Professor John Shepherd, who chaired the study group. The goal, as Prof Shepherd explained in the Guardian in April, was to investigate theories of "intervening directly to engineer the climate system, so as to moderate the rise of temperature" and to "separate the real science from the science fiction".

Geoengineering is about deliberately changing the air, oceans or land surface of the world to offset global heating with the hope of restoring the cooler world we enjoyed in the last century. We are now fairly sure that the Earth has grown hotter by about one degree Celsius as a consequence of our own action in taking away as farmland the forests and other ecosystems that previously acted to keep the Earth cool. We also have increased by 6% the flow of CO2 into the air by burning coal, oil and natural gas. If we started global heating, can we reverse it by engineering?

The first scientist to consider geoengineering seriously was the Russian geophysicist Mikhail Budyko. In the 1970s he proposed that we could offset global heating by spreading in the stratosphere a fine dispersion of particles that reflected sunlight back to space; he based the idea on the observation that volcanic eruptions that did this were followed by global-scale cooling. He suggested that we could mimic the effects of a volcanic eruption by putting an aerosol into the stratosphere. His idea was confirmed by the detailed observations and analysis of the effect of Mount Pinatubo's eruption in 1991. It injected 20m tonnes of sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere and this soon oxidised to form the white reflecting particles that offset global heating for three years. It is within our capacity to put this much sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere.

There are other ways of reflecting sunlight: large mirrors or diffusers of sunlight put in orbit around the sun. One of the more promising and controllable reflection methods was put forward by John Latham and Stephen Salter, who proposed spraying very fine droplets of sea water from the ocean surface to make the natural surface clouds, called marine stratus, whiter.

As well as cooling by reflecting sunlight away we could cool by removing the carbon dioxide or methane from the air. Klaus Lackner has proposed making artificial trees to do this; others, following the lead of Johannes Lehmann, would sooner see vegetation capture CO2 and then, after harvest, turn the plant waste into charcoal and bury it.

Geoengineering implies that we have an ailing planet that needs a cure. But our ignorance of the Earth system is great; we know little more than an early 19th-century physician knew about the body. Geoengineering is like trying to cure pneumonia by immersing the patient in a bath of icy water; the fever would be cured but not the disease.

Many of us feel a sense of unease about using geoengineering to escape global heating. Most of the planetary therapies have side effects, potentially as severe as the disease itself. We know that the cooling by Pinatubo was accompanied by droughts; cooling alone does nothing to prevent the ocean growing ever more acid as the carbon dioxide dissolves in the water.

Before long, global heating could reach a level that makes geoengineering an enticing option. Indeed, cautiously applied it may help by buying us time either to adapt to climate change or to develop a practical scientific cure. We have, as yet, no comprehensive Earth system science; in such ignorance I cannot help feeling that attempts by us to regulate the Earth's climate and chemistry would condemn humanity to a Kafkaesque fate from which there may be no escape. Better, perhaps, to learn from the wiser physicians of the early 19th century; they knew no cure for common diseases but also knew that by letting nature take its course, the patient often recovered. Perhaps we, too, had better use our energies to adapt and leave recovery to Gaia; after all, she has survived more than three billion years and has kept life going all that time.

James Lovelock is an independent scientist, author, researcher, environmentalist and futurist. He proposed the Gaia hypothesis, in which the Earth functions as a superorganism. His most recent book is The Vanishing Face of Gaia: A Final Warning.
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Leave it to Gaia
Posted by: hanakwa on Sep 22, 2009 9:44 AM   
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We have already altered the Earths climate system drastically and I believe that attempting to further do so will only lead to more catastrophe. There is the possibility that geoengineering will be such an enticing option to continue with business as usual that the root causes of our current predicament will not change. The overconsumption, greed, exploitation of the poor and indigenous peoples and their resources, and the degradation of every natural landscape from the sea to the sky will continue. There are many solutions yet to be employed or even created. Rest assured that whatever happens over the next century the Earth will rotate onwards but the depth and richness of its biodiversity will depend on the choices of only one of its millions of species.

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Thank you Mr. Lovelock
Posted by: manray on Sep 23, 2009 1:18 PM   
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I am very pleased to see Alternet publishing a message from this brilliant mind. I wish his books on Gaia were required reading for every politician, every student, every scientist. The most important and threatening issue that we currently have facing us is for the most part ignored by mainstream media. If you have not read Mr. Lovelock's books I implore you to do so and to spread the word, particularly to the younger generation. If you think you are educated about the environment and climate change and you have not read his books you really don't know the Truth.

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Caution is wise
Posted by: wjfaust on Sep 23, 2009 2:45 PM   
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We have willy-nilly unleashed our technology without regard for the consequences to the natural world -- the one that bore us and, until recently, sustained us. To now resort to yet more technology to set things right is hubris compounded. We should be making every effort to withdraw from large portions of that world and and give the non-human world its due. The alternative is Kafkaesque indeed.

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dogman12
Posted by: dogman12 on Sep 23, 2009 4:13 PM   
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Fear not, Mr. Lovelock! There will NEVER be a massive effort to combat this problem. Human beings only learn through hind-sight, and then, only a fraction of the time, as demonstrated by history.

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No geo-engineering please
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Sep 24, 2009 8:47 AM   
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Unless we are at a critical brink, geo-engineering should not even be in discussion. It can only end in disaster. The earth's climate system is complex well beyond our understanding, and we should not screw with it.

The possibility of plunging our planet into an ice age because of geo-engineering to overwhelm some discredited AGW fantasy is just ridiculous. As the wheels explode on the global warming honey wagon of lies, it is a non-issue. People even discussing this should be taken out of positions of power immediately.

The last word in geo-engineering? OOPS!

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Mr. Lovelock, your view of nuclear energy is frightening
Posted by: mtnprivy on Sep 27, 2009 12:48 PM   
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I am very draw to the original idea of GAIA as in your book, but some of your more recent ideas are a bit more shakey. Your comment that "nothing" we do will end life on this planet is something that I hope you're right on. Your certainty, though, is very arrogant.
Your comments about the use of nuclear energy are also equally shakey. There are many intelligent persons, scientists included, who do not share your cofidence in the potency of science, nor especially the value base of scientists required to turn around our culture.
Comments made over the last several years about the environmental good of nuclear energy fail to address the fact that this also is a resource with a finite nature, and many problems. It seems that scientists are always apologists for our culture, so that we have ready-made excuses to NO CHANGE. Perhaps you need to review literature on the use of depleted uranium by the military, and nuclear storage issues in general. The REAL WORLD of nuclear energy does not seem to be just like the nuclear world of your fantasy.

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Different light has different value!?
Posted by: james_allen on Sep 28, 2009 12:36 AM   
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I'd like to hear Dr. Lovelock's comments on an issue I've not seen discussed.

If I understand correctly, the green-house effect produces low-entropy EMF, e.g. infra-red, while reflection sources would reduce high-entropy EMF, e.g. ultra-violet. In other words, even if the result of these two antagonistic mechanisms was to stabilize net heat from the Sun, the quality of the sunlight would change. For example, plants need violet light, not infra-red produced by greenhouse effect.

Is this correct? Isn't it a general principle that most mechanisms change high-entropy energy to low-entropy energy, but the former is more "valuable"?

A different issue worth mentioning is that "global cooling" does not address the important problem of increasing ocen acidity caused by CO2.

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self correcting
Posted by: mrfixdit on Sep 28, 2009 2:44 AM   
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The earth is a self correcting ecosysyem. In all discussions I read no one ever mentions earths abilty to self correct, it's been doing this for billions of years. Climate change is nothing new a little research will reveal that all planets in our solar system are at present undergoing a warming period which I doubt is caused by the increase in CO2 on Earth.
All the solutions I find are always based on technology and production of new facilities and gadgets which by the way will take enormous amounts of energy to produce but I never hear plant a tree, ride a bike, or walk. I was recently chastised by a neighbor about the waste involved in using my 25 year old riding mower and the fact that a new one is so much more efficient. I pointed out to her that the mere manufacture of a new one produces more CO2 than the savings would provide for probably 20 years. This seemed to just boggle her mind, like most people she thinks that new stuff just appears, its not manufactured. She left and went home to wait at the end of the driveway in her air conditioned car for her child to get home on the schoolbus and then drive him home 200 feet, Oh the hypocracy....

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Unintended consequences of delusionary science
Posted by: denisaf on Sep 28, 2009 4:13 AM   
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This is a fascinating example of the delusion that scientists have about what humans can manage. It stems from the anthropocentric belief that we can control the forces of nature. Our technology has only ever made use of natural forces. Our science has only obtained some understanding of how these forces operate.The article has the misleading comment that humans "started global heating". That is not so. Humans only invented the systems (that use natural forces) for releasing the enormous power in the fossil fuels from the crustal store, so producing the waste gases that have precipitated climate change. Geoengineering may possibly be a worthwhile palliative but it will come at an irredeemable ecological cost.

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Unintentional Slandering of "biochar" Terra Preta - methods with unsound wastefull examples ?
Posted by: MaxT on Sep 28, 2009 6:04 AM   
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Biochar was mentioned in above, otherwise sound and important article. Like so many others, the authors had fallen for the loudest and most expensive funded campaigns that have been named with that idea. Finding the real information has become difficult, which might be a sign of how frightened of this simple Do It Yourself, climate change emission Negative method, the Agribusinesses and their funders are. rich and very poor alike can do it, while starting to free themselves and their local communities from the grip of agribusiness debt circles of environmental monoculture profiteering and destruction.

Here is the real deal explained. If you feel sound of mind, and are an adult, why not try this out yourself at home yard, and forget about wasting energies to microwaves and mega industrial complexes ?

Do new permanent soil, capture carbon, get energy while at it: http://www.ymparistojakehitys.fi/energia_terrapreta.html

Using microwaves to make charcoal, seems about as sound as using nuclear explosions on road surface behind the car, as the means to propel that car forward, instead of engine. That is how alienated and wastefull of resources and energy it seems.

Sorry about the agitated tone of my post, it just is disheartening to see peoples just eating it up, as sane simple method gets covered up behind ludicrous expensive... profiteering ? Slander to make the method to look unsound and silly... to make it's potential practicers to associate it with common nonsense and careless foolishness ?

Not even digging in with Hoe seems needed... Microwave plants... sheesh...

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This is the same Mr. Lovelock who predicts that at least 80% of humanity will die off by 2010...
Posted by: mjabele on Sep 28, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Does he honestly expect that humanity will resign itself to a die-off of that magnitude without putting up some sort of struggle?

I'm not denying he might well be right that efforts to re-engineer global temperatures back down to a lower level could very well backfire massively and actually hasten our (and other species') extinction, but the idea that, alternatively, we should all just sit back and enjoy one last glorious sunset before giving thumbs up to the dealer at the blackjack table to set us (and our progeny) an 80% chance of starving, thirsting, freezing, or baking to death, seems to defy any basic understanding of human nature.

I think what he doesn't get is that some folks have a less conservative idea of gambling than he seems to. If chances are high that 80% of us will die assuming we just putter on as we've been doing, then at least some folks - maybe even most folks - might consider implementing possible solutions that have some low likelihood of inverting those odds, even if the flip side of implementing such projects - i.e., unanticipated consequences that actually make things worse rather than better - might be to increase the 80% extinction rate to a "complete wipe-out" level of 100%. After all, such a gambler might argue, if one's "baseline" likelihood of personal annihilation is already 4 in 5 according to the "expert" scientist, how much worse can the odds really get, realistically speaking, if governments take a chance and begin implementing some of these climate re-engineering "solutions"?

To put it another way, Mr. Lovelock's predictions that almost all of us are doomed to die in horrible ways over the next century may be a large part of the reason why some folks are increasingly tossing around these admittedly scary proposals. Many ordinary people just aren't going to passively accept his "guaranteed" 1 in 5 odds of survival, no matter how much he seems to think they should.

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Dr. Len
Posted by: ProfBob on Sep 28, 2009 6:36 AM   
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Very thoughtful and inspired comments. But--According to an article in Science Daily (April 20, 2009), a survey of the faculty at the State University of New York, which has a very strong environmental science department, the planet’s major environmental problem is overpopulation.. Climate change is second. This echoes the theme of the popular free ebook series “And Gulliver Returns” –In Search of Utopia—(http://andgulliverreturns.info) As one professor at SUNY said “With ten million or even a hundred million people on the planet there would be no warming problem.” It is both the technology and the number of people using it that create so many of our planetary problems.
There is no question that China's one child policy has helped the world and the Chinese economy. Whenever a country attempts to reduce its population it can expect a two or three generation period of problems while deaths reduce to equal births. I hope that China will recognize this fact and keep its own population on the path to reduction--which should begin by 2050. China's actual fertility rate is not 1.0 per woman, but 1.8--the same as Norway's.
China's Platonic-like oligarchy is far more efficient than modern democracies. The self-centered desires of each of us to have as many children as we want; the pressure of some religions and most businesses for more converts and customers; and the need for more soldiers to defend each sovereign state-- each fight the obvious solution to the problems of the world: warming, illegal immigration, the use of irreplaceable natural resources, waste disposal along with air and water pollution, starvation, and the lack of fresh water. But countries commonly encourage more births to enlarge the tax base and pay for the elderly. Then each generation will contain still more elderly.
As one commenter wrote 'the earth is self correcting', and it is, but the correction will cost billions of lives that could have been saved with intelligent action now.

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Global Dimming
Posted by: kellysgarden on Sep 28, 2009 9:09 AM   
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Google the phenomenon of Global Dimming.

Our atmosphere is already reflecting about 10% of the sunlight we used to receive on the earth's surface just 15 years ago. This dimming of the sunlight reaching the ground is caused by all the pollutants in the atmosphere.

Much of the dimming has been attributed to what NASA calls "persistent contrails." Many call them chemtrails instead.

These persistent contrails are largely the reason the earth has been entering a cooling phase in some parts of the world. The experimentation with engineering the climate has already begun with the dispersion of particles into the atmosphere in these persistent contrails.

Google it!

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Gomer Pyle science
Posted by: willymack on Sep 28, 2009 9:42 AM   
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I remember a Gomer Pyle show in which he described a movie wherein a scientist who "messed with things he hadn't oughta" turned himself into a giant roach.
Science has, will, and can continue to do many beneficial things for us, but there IS a point beyond which we shouldn't go.
One thing for certain is that we've got to stop polluting our Earth, and soon.
Or maybe we can turn ourselves into giant roaches. They're pretty tough, right?

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Leave it to Gaia
Posted by: dkm on Sep 28, 2009 9:49 AM   
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Sounds good, but when you think that Gaia really doesn't care if we exist, or if any particular organisms exist at all, then it becomes somewhat dicey. The earth isn't set up for the purpose of keeping life alive. The earth just is. If circumstances preclude the continued existence of a particular species, e.g., humans, then the earth isn't going to perform some magic to change things. The only way things will change is if we do the change ourselves.

Granted that there will be some unexpected results, but if things are studied as well as possible, then the unexpected will be minimized. Having said that, it is still preferable to remove greenhouse gases than to try to do something novel to mitigate some of their consequences. I don't know if we have time. Maybe we don't. But we still must be prepared to mitigate consequences if those consequences will result in human extinction or something close to it.

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Should we give up all our rights & freedoms to fight "terrorism" & "global warming"???
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Sep 28, 2009 9:55 AM   
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Perhaps that's what the NWO/globalists wanted all along???

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Schemes to "Reverse" Global Warming WILL lead to Disaster
Posted by: chetdude on Sep 28, 2009 11:45 AM   
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That's the ACCURATE title for any hair-brained schemes to fix the problem by utilizing the same methods as those that created the problem.

Humans can't even MODEL climate well what makes those puny minds think that they can alter it intelligently...

Amazing...

But what do you expect from Nature's evolutionary dead end experiment with big-brained bipeds?

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My Arctic Ocean wind-powered refrigeration devices will work fine
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 28, 2009 5:16 PM   
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My moderate-sized devices transfer the cold of Arctic (and Antarctic) winter air into the ocean, creating a thicker ice pack across the Arctic, which then reflects summer sunlight back into space as it used to, so that a runaway global methane release is inhibited.

If you want to inhibit climate change, it's time to put your two hands and your mind where your heart is. We need some prototypes in eighty years when all the politicians care, er, in ten years when a couple of private philanthropists actually give a rat's tail about solving the climate change problem, er, how about just three of us put a little scale model prototype up for this winter with our own money and with our own hands and tools?

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Monologism is our greatest danger
Posted by: dayahka on Sep 28, 2009 6:33 PM   
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Monologism is the idea that there is one thing that causes some problem or effect. (This is a new term and that is the definition I give it.) An example of monologism is that overpopulation is the problem--that, as the SUNY people asserted, if we had only 100 million or so people there would be no global warming problem.

Monologism is our greatest danger because if adopted it could be used as justification for genocide on a massive scale. If the US, for example, came to believe this absurd idea, it could, if faced by extinction, justify unleashing its nuclear arsenal against the entire rest of the world so that a few hundred million Americans could survive.

As Lovelock points out, the earth system is a complex, multi-dimensional system and needs a multi-dimensional response to problems. Until we develop a comprehensive understanding of that system, we'd better adapt instead of trying to mitigate, and we'd also better reject as intellectually dishonest and criminal any monologistic approach to the problem of climate change.

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EPA report Mar. 9 2009
Posted by: mrfixdit on Sep 29, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Don't just listen to the talking heads read this report yourself from the environmental protection agency. http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf

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Leave it to Gaia
Posted by: hanakwa on Sep 22, 2009 9:44 AM   
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We have already altered the Earths climate system drastically and I believe that attempting to further do so will only lead to more catastrophe. There is the possibility that geoengineering will be such an enticing option to continue with business as usual that the root causes of our current predicament will not change. The overconsumption, greed, exploitation of the poor and indigenous peoples and their resources, and the degradation of every natural landscape from the sea to the sky will continue. There are many solutions yet to be employed or even created. Rest assured that whatever happens over the next century the Earth will rotate onwards but the depth and richness of its biodiversity will depend on the choices of only one of its millions of species.

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Thank you Mr. Lovelock
Posted by: manray on Sep 23, 2009 1:18 PM   
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I am very pleased to see Alternet publishing a message from this brilliant mind. I wish his books on Gaia were required reading for every politician, every student, every scientist. The most important and threatening issue that we currently have facing us is for the most part ignored by mainstream media. If you have not read Mr. Lovelock's books I implore you to do so and to spread the word, particularly to the younger generation. If you think you are educated about the environment and climate change and you have not read his books you really don't know the Truth.

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Caution is wise
Posted by: wjfaust on Sep 23, 2009 2:45 PM   
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We have willy-nilly unleashed our technology without regard for the consequences to the natural world -- the one that bore us and, until recently, sustained us. To now resort to yet more technology to set things right is hubris compounded. We should be making every effort to withdraw from large portions of that world and and give the non-human world its due. The alternative is Kafkaesque indeed.

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dogman12
Posted by: dogman12 on Sep 23, 2009 4:13 PM   
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Fear not, Mr. Lovelock! There will NEVER be a massive effort to combat this problem. Human beings only learn through hind-sight, and then, only a fraction of the time, as demonstrated by history.

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No geo-engineering please
Posted by: FreeAmerica on Sep 24, 2009 8:47 AM   
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Unless we are at a critical brink, geo-engineering should not even be in discussion. It can only end in disaster. The earth's climate system is complex well beyond our understanding, and we should not screw with it.

The possibility of plunging our planet into an ice age because of geo-engineering to overwhelm some discredited AGW fantasy is just ridiculous. As the wheels explode on the global warming honey wagon of lies, it is a non-issue. People even discussing this should be taken out of positions of power immediately.

The last word in geo-engineering? OOPS!

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Mr. Lovelock, your view of nuclear energy is frightening
Posted by: mtnprivy on Sep 27, 2009 12:48 PM   
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I am very draw to the original idea of GAIA as in your book, but some of your more recent ideas are a bit more shakey. Your comment that "nothing" we do will end life on this planet is something that I hope you're right on. Your certainty, though, is very arrogant.
Your comments about the use of nuclear energy are also equally shakey. There are many intelligent persons, scientists included, who do not share your cofidence in the potency of science, nor especially the value base of scientists required to turn around our culture.
Comments made over the last several years about the environmental good of nuclear energy fail to address the fact that this also is a resource with a finite nature, and many problems. It seems that scientists are always apologists for our culture, so that we have ready-made excuses to NO CHANGE. Perhaps you need to review literature on the use of depleted uranium by the military, and nuclear storage issues in general. The REAL WORLD of nuclear energy does not seem to be just like the nuclear world of your fantasy.

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Different light has different value!?
Posted by: james_allen on Sep 28, 2009 12:36 AM   
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I'd like to hear Dr. Lovelock's comments on an issue I've not seen discussed.

If I understand correctly, the green-house effect produces low-entropy EMF, e.g. infra-red, while reflection sources would reduce high-entropy EMF, e.g. ultra-violet. In other words, even if the result of these two antagonistic mechanisms was to stabilize net heat from the Sun, the quality of the sunlight would change. For example, plants need violet light, not infra-red produced by greenhouse effect.

Is this correct? Isn't it a general principle that most mechanisms change high-entropy energy to low-entropy energy, but the former is more "valuable"?

A different issue worth mentioning is that "global cooling" does not address the important problem of increasing ocen acidity caused by CO2.

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self correcting
Posted by: mrfixdit on Sep 28, 2009 2:44 AM   
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The earth is a self correcting ecosysyem. In all discussions I read no one ever mentions earths abilty to self correct, it's been doing this for billions of years. Climate change is nothing new a little research will reveal that all planets in our solar system are at present undergoing a warming period which I doubt is caused by the increase in CO2 on Earth.
All the solutions I find are always based on technology and production of new facilities and gadgets which by the way will take enormous amounts of energy to produce but I never hear plant a tree, ride a bike, or walk. I was recently chastised by a neighbor about the waste involved in using my 25 year old riding mower and the fact that a new one is so much more efficient. I pointed out to her that the mere manufacture of a new one produces more CO2 than the savings would provide for probably 20 years. This seemed to just boggle her mind, like most people she thinks that new stuff just appears, its not manufactured. She left and went home to wait at the end of the driveway in her air conditioned car for her child to get home on the schoolbus and then drive him home 200 feet, Oh the hypocracy....

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Unintended consequences of delusionary science
Posted by: denisaf on Sep 28, 2009 4:13 AM   
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This is a fascinating example of the delusion that scientists have about what humans can manage. It stems from the anthropocentric belief that we can control the forces of nature. Our technology has only ever made use of natural forces. Our science has only obtained some understanding of how these forces operate.The article has the misleading comment that humans "started global heating". That is not so. Humans only invented the systems (that use natural forces) for releasing the enormous power in the fossil fuels from the crustal store, so producing the waste gases that have precipitated climate change. Geoengineering may possibly be a worthwhile palliative but it will come at an irredeemable ecological cost.

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Unintentional Slandering of "biochar" Terra Preta - methods with unsound wastefull examples ?
Posted by: MaxT on Sep 28, 2009 6:04 AM   
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Biochar was mentioned in above, otherwise sound and important article. Like so many others, the authors had fallen for the loudest and most expensive funded campaigns that have been named with that idea. Finding the real information has become difficult, which might be a sign of how frightened of this simple Do It Yourself, climate change emission Negative method, the Agribusinesses and their funders are. rich and very poor alike can do it, while starting to free themselves and their local communities from the grip of agribusiness debt circles of environmental monoculture profiteering and destruction.

Here is the real deal explained. If you feel sound of mind, and are an adult, why not try this out yourself at home yard, and forget about wasting energies to microwaves and mega industrial complexes ?

Do new permanent soil, capture carbon, get energy while at it: http://www.ymparistojakehitys.fi/energia_terrapreta.html

Using microwaves to make charcoal, seems about as sound as using nuclear explosions on road surface behind the car, as the means to propel that car forward, instead of engine. That is how alienated and wastefull of resources and energy it seems.

Sorry about the agitated tone of my post, it just is disheartening to see peoples just eating it up, as sane simple method gets covered up behind ludicrous expensive... profiteering ? Slander to make the method to look unsound and silly... to make it's potential practicers to associate it with common nonsense and careless foolishness ?

Not even digging in with Hoe seems needed... Microwave plants... sheesh...

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This is the same Mr. Lovelock who predicts that at least 80% of humanity will die off by 2010...
Posted by: mjabele on Sep 28, 2009 6:37 AM   
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Does he honestly expect that humanity will resign itself to a die-off of that magnitude without putting up some sort of struggle?

I'm not denying he might well be right that efforts to re-engineer global temperatures back down to a lower level could very well backfire massively and actually hasten our (and other species') extinction, but the idea that, alternatively, we should all just sit back and enjoy one last glorious sunset before giving thumbs up to the dealer at the blackjack table to set us (and our progeny) an 80% chance of starving, thirsting, freezing, or baking to death, seems to defy any basic understanding of human nature.

I think what he doesn't get is that some folks have a less conservative idea of gambling than he seems to. If chances are high that 80% of us will die assuming we just putter on as we've been doing, then at least some folks - maybe even most folks - might consider implementing possible solutions that have some low likelihood of inverting those odds, even if the flip side of implementing such projects - i.e., unanticipated consequences that actually make things worse rather than better - might be to increase the 80% extinction rate to a "complete wipe-out" level of 100%. After all, such a gambler might argue, if one's "baseline" likelihood of personal annihilation is already 4 in 5 according to the "expert" scientist, how much worse can the odds really get, realistically speaking, if governments take a chance and begin implementing some of these climate re-engineering "solutions"?

To put it another way, Mr. Lovelock's predictions that almost all of us are doomed to die in horrible ways over the next century may be a large part of the reason why some folks are increasingly tossing around these admittedly scary proposals. Many ordinary people just aren't going to passively accept his "guaranteed" 1 in 5 odds of survival, no matter how much he seems to think they should.

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Dr. Len
Posted by: ProfBob on Sep 28, 2009 6:36 AM   
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Very thoughtful and inspired comments. But--According to an article in Science Daily (April 20, 2009), a survey of the faculty at the State University of New York, which has a very strong environmental science department, the planet’s major environmental problem is overpopulation.. Climate change is second. This echoes the theme of the popular free ebook series “And Gulliver Returns” –In Search of Utopia—(http://andgulliverreturns.info) As one professor at SUNY said “With ten million or even a hundred million people on the planet there would be no warming problem.” It is both the technology and the number of people using it that create so many of our planetary problems.
There is no question that China's one child policy has helped the world and the Chinese economy. Whenever a country attempts to reduce its population it can expect a two or three generation period of problems while deaths reduce to equal births. I hope that China will recognize this fact and keep its own population on the path to reduction--which should begin by 2050. China's actual fertility rate is not 1.0 per woman, but 1.8--the same as Norway's.
China's Platonic-like oligarchy is far more efficient than modern democracies. The self-centered desires of each of us to have as many children as we want; the pressure of some religions and most businesses for more converts and customers; and the need for more soldiers to defend each sovereign state-- each fight the obvious solution to the problems of the world: warming, illegal immigration, the use of irreplaceable natural resources, waste disposal along with air and water pollution, starvation, and the lack of fresh water. But countries commonly encourage more births to enlarge the tax base and pay for the elderly. Then each generation will contain still more elderly.
As one commenter wrote 'the earth is self correcting', and it is, but the correction will cost billions of lives that could have been saved with intelligent action now.

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Global Dimming
Posted by: kellysgarden on Sep 28, 2009 9:09 AM   
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Google the phenomenon of Global Dimming.

Our atmosphere is already reflecting about 10% of the sunlight we used to receive on the earth's surface just 15 years ago. This dimming of the sunlight reaching the ground is caused by all the pollutants in the atmosphere.

Much of the dimming has been attributed to what NASA calls "persistent contrails." Many call them chemtrails instead.

These persistent contrails are largely the reason the earth has been entering a cooling phase in some parts of the world. The experimentation with engineering the climate has already begun with the dispersion of particles into the atmosphere in these persistent contrails.

Google it!

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Gomer Pyle science
Posted by: willymack on Sep 28, 2009 9:42 AM   
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I remember a Gomer Pyle show in which he described a movie wherein a scientist who "messed with things he hadn't oughta" turned himself into a giant roach.
Science has, will, and can continue to do many beneficial things for us, but there IS a point beyond which we shouldn't go.
One thing for certain is that we've got to stop polluting our Earth, and soon.
Or maybe we can turn ourselves into giant roaches. They're pretty tough, right?

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Leave it to Gaia
Posted by: dkm on Sep 28, 2009 9:49 AM   
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Sounds good, but when you think that Gaia really doesn't care if we exist, or if any particular organisms exist at all, then it becomes somewhat dicey. The earth isn't set up for the purpose of keeping life alive. The earth just is. If circumstances preclude the continued existence of a particular species, e.g., humans, then the earth isn't going to perform some magic to change things. The only way things will change is if we do the change ourselves.

Granted that there will be some unexpected results, but if things are studied as well as possible, then the unexpected will be minimized. Having said that, it is still preferable to remove greenhouse gases than to try to do something novel to mitigate some of their consequences. I don't know if we have time. Maybe we don't. But we still must be prepared to mitigate consequences if those consequences will result in human extinction or something close to it.

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Should we give up all our rights & freedoms to fight "terrorism" & "global warming"???
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Sep 28, 2009 9:55 AM   
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Perhaps that's what the NWO/globalists wanted all along???

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Schemes to "Reverse" Global Warming WILL lead to Disaster
Posted by: chetdude on Sep 28, 2009 11:45 AM   
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That's the ACCURATE title for any hair-brained schemes to fix the problem by utilizing the same methods as those that created the problem.

Humans can't even MODEL climate well what makes those puny minds think that they can alter it intelligently...

Amazing...

But what do you expect from Nature's evolutionary dead end experiment with big-brained bipeds?

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My Arctic Ocean wind-powered refrigeration devices will work fine
Posted by: PaulK on Sep 28, 2009 5:16 PM   
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My moderate-sized devices transfer the cold of Arctic (and Antarctic) winter air into the ocean, creating a thicker ice pack across the Arctic, which then reflects summer sunlight back into space as it used to, so that a runaway global methane release is inhibited.

If you want to inhibit climate change, it's time to put your two hands and your mind where your heart is. We need some prototypes in eighty years when all the politicians care, er, in ten years when a couple of private philanthropists actually give a rat's tail about solving the climate change problem, er, how about just three of us put a little scale model prototype up for this winter with our own money and with our own hands and tools?

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Monologism is our greatest danger
Posted by: dayahka on Sep 28, 2009 6:33 PM   
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Monologism is the idea that there is one thing that causes some problem or effect. (This is a new term and that is the definition I give it.) An example of monologism is that overpopulation is the problem--that, as the SUNY people asserted, if we had only 100 million or so people there would be no global warming problem.

Monologism is our greatest danger because if adopted it could be used as justification for genocide on a massive scale. If the US, for example, came to believe this absurd idea, it could, if faced by extinction, justify unleashing its nuclear arsenal against the entire rest of the world so that a few hundred million Americans could survive.

As Lovelock points out, the earth system is a complex, multi-dimensional system and needs a multi-dimensional response to problems. Until we develop a comprehensive understanding of that system, we'd better adapt instead of trying to mitigate, and we'd also better reject as intellectually dishonest and criminal any monologistic approach to the problem of climate change.

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EPA report Mar. 9 2009
Posted by: mrfixdit on Sep 29, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Don't just listen to the talking heads read this report yourself from the environmental protection agency. http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf

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