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Right Wingers Marching in DC Is Big News -- But the Same Old Faces Are Pulling the Strings
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Glenn Beck will tell you that this weekend's march of right-wing activists on Washington was six months in the making.
Don't believe a word of it. Try 40 years.
As disgruntled white taxpayers joined conspiracy theorists, gun enthusiasts, state-sovereignty activists and outright racists on Pennsylvania Avenue, the long-time leaders of the American right, whose pedigrees go back to the 1964 presidential campaign of Sen. Barry Goldwater, R-Ariz., no doubt witnessed a day they thought might never come.
Never before has the right taken to the streets in such numbers. (Estimates range between 50,000 and 100,000 attending the post-mach rally at the U.S. Capitol building.) Marching has long been the province of the left, most notably in the civil rights movement. But the election of the nation's first African-American president, a moderate liberal, in a time of economic crisis, yielded right-wing leaders the gold of backlash.
While the foot-soldiers of the Tea Party movement give it a more secular appearance than its recent predecessors, the movement is the right's replacement for a religious right that has weakened since 2004, when it helped win a second term for George W. Bush. The tactics, however, are the same: just as the religious right subverts the Christian faith in the service of its authoritarian, business-friendly goals, so, too, does the Tea Party movement subvert the American civic religion -- that faith characterized by love of country, invocation of the Founders and veneration of the Constitution.
At the dawn of the cultural evolution of the 1960s, a handful of right-wing activists and intellectuals banded together to form a philosophical movement that became known as the New Right. These were the people who won Barry Goldwater the Republican presidential nomination, only to see their candidate meet disastrous results in his race against Democrat Lyndon Johnson of Texas. But the right is never truly defeated; its leaders are patient, and they learn from their errors. When they're out of power, they stay busy, building institutions and mailing lists, all the while waiting for their moment to strike.
And so, in 1980, Ronald Reagan was elected to the presidency, largely thanks to the tireless efforts of New Right leaders.
Out of their tiny numbers, they went on from the Goldwater campaign to found the religious right, a textbook example of ground-level organizing that led to a national electoral victory with the election of Reagan. And they are at it again.
On September 11, the day before Saturday's big march, I joined 100 right-wing activists for a fundraising workshop presided over by Richard Viguerie, who, together with Howard Phillips and the late Paul Weyrich, launched the religious right when they convinced who the late Rev. Jerry Falwell to lead an organization called the Moral Majority. Mobilizing congregants of fundamentalist Protestant churches, these three men -- two Catholics, and a Jewish convert to an unorthodox and authoritarian subset of Protestantism -- mobilized Southern Baptists and Methodists around the issue of abortion, a symbol of the perceived disempowerment of men in the wake of the women's liberation movement.
When the right enjoys success, it is almost always does so by appropriating the techniques of the left. For their organizing model, Viguerie and Phillips used the playbook written by Morris Dees, who organized the 1972 presidential campaign of the anti-war candidate George McGovern, unexpectedly winning him the Democratic nomination (although, in the general election, McGovern met a fate that matched Goldwater's). Dees went on to found the Southern Poverty Law Center, a group that tracks the activities of militias and hate groups.
Today, Viguerie has branched out, helping to build a broader coalition in the form of the Tea Party movement, which joins together the various interest groups of the right in the politics of resentment against the perceived loss of power by white men symbolized by the election of Barack Obama.
Much of the Tea Party movement's messaging comes from the virtual one-man clearing house that is Howard Phillips. Since his early days in the Nixon administration, Phillips has led a campaign to "defund the left" -- efforts to keep federal dollars following to organizations that are traditionally identified with liberalism.
The right's current campaign against Planned Parenthood is its best-known example. Although no federal dollars go to Planned Parenthood to pay for abortions, right-wing politicians and activist contend they do in the form of subsidies that pay for gynecological care and breast-health services for women who cannot afford to see private doctors.
The targeting of former White-House adviser Van Jones, hired to develop policy on green jobs, represents a new round in the right's new "defund the left" front. Phil Kerpen, policy director for the right-wing astroturf group, Americans for Prosperity, saw the campaign against Jones, by his own account, as one way to stop the flow of federal dollars for the creation of green jobs, which he contends will serve only liberal groups, ranging from labor unions to environmental justice organizations.
At last year's Constitution Day gathering of Phillips' Conservative Caucus organization, the themes that today define many of the themes flogged daily on FOX NewsChannel were on full display: the false charge that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and purported evidence of Obama's alleged socialist roots.
Countless signs on display at the 912 march on Washington made reference to Obama's alleged socialism, or even communism.
When I interviewed Phillips just days before the 2008 presidential election, he told me he had just gotten off the phone with Jerome Corsi, the primary advance man for the birther conspiracy. Corsi was in Hawaii, looking for fodder for his claims, and was checking in regularly with Phillips.
Phillips served as mentor to Randall Terry, who, though not technically part of the Tea Party movement, seeks to tap that same vein of rage in service of his cause, which is to end abortion by any means necessary. And it's no coincidence that Randall Terry's comeback coincides with the rise of a retooled right wing.
Terry's followers, demonstrating the disruption techniques later employed at town-hall meetings on health-care reform, interrupted the Senate nomination hearing for Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor. Terry himself shouted down former Vermont governor and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean at a Virginia town-hall meeting about health care. A recent e-mail blast from Terry promises organized disruptions of congressional hearings on health-care reform legislation, a technique famously used by the women of Code Pink.
Phillips, during our 2008 chat, called Terry "a dear friend." (In 1998, Terry ran for the a congressional seat on the ticket of a third party founded, and then led, by Phillips -- the U.S. Taxpayers Party, which has since evolved into the Constitution Party.)
For his part, Viguerie, on Friday, advised the Tea Partiers to launch their own candidates for Congress in the 2010 elections, and to use primary challenges to put incumbents of both parties on notice, pushing them further to the right. Known as Reagan's "postmaster general" for his prodigious direct-mail fundraising activities on Reagan's behalf, Viguerie offered an energetic presentation on the nuts and bolts of both direct-mail and internet fundraising.
I signed up for Viguerie's workshop via ResistNet, a project of Grassfire, another astroturfing group, one that caters to the fringier elements of the right-wing coalition. On the Grassfire Web site, one will find the endorsements of Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., and Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind. Both appeared on the podium at the post-march rally on Friday sponsored by FreedomWorks, the astroturf group led by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-Tex.
Are you beginning to get the picture?
Whenever the right appears to fall in on itself, as it did with the collapse of the Moral Majority, it begins rebuilding on a broader base. In his fundraising workshop, Viguerie stressed the importance of building coalitions.
After the Moral Majority fell apart, the men behind the scenes rebuilt the religious right with more muscle by building on the media empire of the Rev. Pat Robertson, which was not limited to Christian fundamentalists, but encompassed denominations outside the Protestant establishment, including Pentacostals and charismatics.
When the Christian Coalition became unglued, the Family Research Council, a network of state-based policy groups with a heavily right-wing Christian bent, picked up the slack. The Family Research Council, founded by James Dobson of Focus on the Family, does not limit its mission to matters of morality, but also <strike>embraces a range of</strike> wanders into the territory of economic issues.
Now, with 30 percent of Americans defining themselves as "spiritual but not religious," according to a recent Newsweek poll, the organized right has branched out once again, giving its latest incarnation, in the form of the Tea Party movement, a more secular face -- a good move at a time when the population is more distressed about economic than cultural issues.
After the 2008 election, liberal pundits declared the religious right dead, as if its primary focus eve was religion. It was not: its primary focus is, and always was, power -- power that ultimately serves the interests of Big Business via the goal of defunding and disempowering those forces that argue for regulation and a social safety net -- in other words, the forces that enact the ideals of liberals and progressives.
And it is not dead; it has simply had a makeover. The remnant of the religious right has been folded into this new coalition, which emphasizes the resentments of white people who feel economically and culturally threatened, while occasionally referencing the evangelical fervor that marks the latter-day religious right. The figure of Sarah Palin -- the gun-toting, sovereignty-floating, Obama-Swift-boating Christian charismatic who took the right by storm as the running mate of 2008 presidential candidate John McCain.
At a conference sponsored last month by Americans for Prosperity, one speaker urged Tea Party movement members to take up positions in their local political parties, and to run for local office. This is exactly the model used by Ralph Reed, former Christian Coalition executive director, when he promised in 1990 to take the country, "precinct by precinct." He did not succeed immediately; Bill Clinton would win another term before the election of the born-again George Bush (who proved a disappointment to the religious right). By that time, Reed had moved on from the Coalition to consult for the Bush campaign.
Reed's consulting firm, Century Strategies, found him partnered in business with a man named Tim Phillips, who today runs Americans for Prosperity, who told me in an interview that his expertise is in mobilizing grass-roots activists. Last month, Reed debuted his new organization, the Faith and Freedom Coalition, at an anti-health-care reform rally sponsored by Americans for Prosperity.
Make no mistake; the Tea Party movement is the new religious right. The megaphone of Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network and James Dobson's Focus on the Family media empire has been replaced by FOX News Channel and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal.
Different day; same stuff -- only stronger.
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Posted by: dave1616 on Sep 14, 2009 3:44 AM
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... as IS , painfully apparent , and OBSERVABLE to ALL that LIFT THEIR GAZE from the myopia of our HISTORIC inculcation ...
This WILL pass , albeit initially , in fits-and-spurts ... IT IS , A BRAND NEW DAY ...
PEACE .
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» Actually our entire economy is based on debt. Its not the money that is worth....
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» You may like John Pilger's "War by Other Means" to see debt run amok.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 14, 2009 3:52 AM
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Charlie was a anti gov't, white supremeists with religious delusions of granduer.Sounds like the Teabaggers.
Interesting that a number of these 'Seniors' are about the age of Charlie and his converts.
Since Charlie we have seen many incarnations of this sociopathic ideology- cloaked in some 'Patriotic' and 'Religious' claims.
And Yet they are Neither Patriots or Faithfuls.
Patriots fight for US, not against US.Patriots do not call for overthrow, nor secession.
Faithfuls, put their faith in Gods Almightiness, not try to supercede it.Faithfuls revere and abid by the 10 commandments- not rebuke them.
Everyone of those Teabaggers Signs might as well have a Trademark underneath of "Helter Skelter"
Interesting that the accusation that Obama is a "Fascist" has subsided- did they realize they were offending some in their own ranks. The Neo Nazi's walk with them. Not only does the Right harbor them, they are willing to berate Our Greatest Generation for their sacrifics and valor.
they are not trying to hide who they are- so why are we so timid about calling them what they are- Traitors, Heretics and Sociopaths.
In fact it could be summed up by just calling them 'Charlie's Family'
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» Alternet has alway held Manson family values. We are different than the tatooed masses.
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» Is this sarcasm or a joke??? How in the world can you stretch this into some race issue?
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» CON'T: Is this sarcasm or a joke??? How in the world can you stretch this into some race issue?
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No one should have to die because they can't pay for health care and no one should go broke because they get sick.
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» Be careful teritenn Hymie is reading; our tax dollars susidize Israel's free health care.
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» Worse, our tax dollars subsidizing IRAQ's universal health care
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» Demand birth control for all welfare mothers.
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» The "teachings of Jesus" are mythical and irrelevant to the science of medicine.
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» There is a difference, those nutcases have no power, but psychopathy with power is dangerous.
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» So, is it really happening or not? We "see" this all through words and optical lenses.
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» EXACTLY, you get to choose. Denial is obvious to those who do see, when others engage in it.
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» RE: And his tone...
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» The KKK's twisted embrace of Darwinism fueled its hatred of blacks.
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» Your dog has fleas, racism is fear of color. Fear is the product, race is just another package.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 14, 2009 4:49 AM
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They work to polarize and marginalize populist groups on both the Right and the Left. To keep them at odds over issues unrelated to the real problem--the Oligarchy and its selfish, self-serving policies designed only to enrich itself and destroy all of the economic gains that Americans have made.
Look what the finance capitalists and friends did to the people of Russia. Look what the World Bank and IMF did to Argentina.
Look what their allies are trying to do to the United States.
Before any kind of real reform can come, we have to clean out the nest of finance capitalists who have made the White House, the Congress and the Supreme Court their private hunting preserve. We need an institutional cleansing. And, I think it is becoming increasingly clear to Americans that agents of the Oligarchy like Dick Armey and Barrack Obama are not going to do the job.
What they will do is try to push Right and Left apart...further and further on race, sex and other issues that divert attention from the real issues. I believe it was Jay Gould who said contemptuously that he could 'hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.' That is essentially what they want to do to the electorate--they want it divided over issues of race, abortion, etc., and ignoring their misfeasance and malfeasance so that they kill any chance of a better future. Look at the war...eight years running with an overwhelming majority of Americans opposed...look how they manipulated Progressives into ignoring the peace candidates and supporting the black guy and the woman--getting Democrats to place race and gender above all else in the selection of a candidate. (While ignoring Cynthia McKinney)
And, we don't even need to look at the so-called Constitution supporters on the 'Right' to see how far they have departed any sense of principle in supporting John "Police State" McCain over a real Constitutionalist.
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» This is not Infowars or Prison Planet
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Posted by: mtcloud on Sep 14, 2009 4:57 AM
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By Ellen Sauerbrey
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'I'm as Mad as Hell, and I'm Not Gonna Take This Anymore!' This sentiment is being voiced by protesters turning out for Tea Parties and Health Care Town Hall Meetings around the country. People are angry and frightened by the prospect of government running their health care system, but their anger goes far beyond a 1000 page health bill.
Health care reform is merely the spark that has touched off a prairie fire of grassroots rebellion among a people who believe their representatives do not represent them, do not listen to them and do not care what they think. Many Americans feel that they are losing control of their financial well being, their values and their culture. Shell shock set in as they tried to absorb the rapidity of drastic change.
The first stirring of protest came with the Tea Parties in the spring. These gatherings were completely misread by a media that ignored them and dismissed the attendees as right wing kooks. The Tea Parties were about taxes, yes. But far more they were about the rapid intrusion of the federal government into private affairs, about deficit spending, and a growing understanding that America was heading down a very dangerous road.
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» Budgetary mathematics is no longer an issue; the debt can no longer be understood.
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» First we take a quote from a Paddy Chayefsky screenplay
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Posted by: mtcloud on Sep 14, 2009 5:06 AM
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Massive Corporate Media Coverup of Real Numbers at D.C. Rally
Click here for This time lapse video puts an end to the corporate media lies and spin.
The Gray Lady of Operation Mockingbird, the New York Times, reports today that “thousands” of patriots protested against Obamacare, cap and trade, the bankster bailout, and unchecked federal government power in the District of Criminals yesterday.
“The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd,” the newspaper reports, attempting to downplay the historical significance of the protest.
The New York Times says the police declined to estimate the crowd — or rather the corporate media declined to report it — because the number was around two million, the largest protest in the capitol’s history.
The protest out-numbered Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech delivered from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on August 28, 1963. That march was estimated at around 200,000 people.
ABC News did likewise, pegging the turnout in the thousands. “Thousands of conservative protesters from across the country converged on the Capitol Saturday morning to demonstrate against President Obama’s proposals for health care reform and voicing opposition to big government, what they say is over-the-top spending,” the corporate propaganda outlet claimed on Saturday.
Ditto the War Street Journal — excuse me, the Wall Street Journal — although they put the number at tens of thousands. The Journal admitted the obvious: “While some Republican officeholders were at the rally, not everybody there called themselves Republicans.”
Fox News tried to spin the event as a Glenn Beck phenomenon.
NPR, the news service of Soros and the foundations, did the same parlor trick with the math, putting the number at tens of thousands. NPR contradicted itself, however, and reported that as “the demonstrators walked along Pennsylvania Avenue toward the U.S. Capitol, the line stretched as far as the eye could see in either direction. The crowd was so thick in places that it was difficult to move.”
As to be expected, the “progressives” (left cover bankster faction) attempted to portray two million patriotic Americans as racists. Think Soros, formerly known as Think Progress, posted a blog entry supposedly revealing racist placards at the event — in fact, none of the signs showed were racist — the worst the Soros operatives produced was a photo of a woman with a Confederate flag. The Soros clan said everybody at the event was white (as if they had examined the skin color of two million people).
It’s not going to work. The two million people who showed up to voice their outrage at a federal government out of control and in violation of the Constitution was but a small sampling of the millions of people across the country in opposition to Obama and the corporate-fascist agenda of his one-world masters.
If Obama and the Democrats ram the deathcare bill through the House by way of “reconciliation,” the opposition will redouble its numbers and once again take to the streets.
Thousands? This timelapse video puts an end to the corporate media lies and spin.
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» How do you count?
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» "Counting" is for children, Mr. Spoon. We are doing damage assessment here.
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» Alternet continues to publish even the most arcane comments; your post is an example.
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» Mtcloud proof that...
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Posted by: peacelf on Sep 14, 2009 5:26 AM
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The New Right is regaining power without adding one elected official to their minority in Congress. Obama is their man.
Look at how Obama treated the Left since elected. He brushed aside any hope for a single payer public health care system, only promising a "public option," which is now reduced to who-knows-what.
Obama even accused progressive Dems in Congress of "exaggerating" the importance of the public option in this supposed health care reform. Implementing a few patient's rights and imposing health insurance on all americans is not a progressive step toward universal coverage.
100,000 protesters in D.C. does not a majority make, yet who speaks for progressives?
We Progressives should've hit the streets at the first sign of reneging by Obama.
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» Direct your attention to the "score card" produced by the 2008 election.
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» Hahaha, that was great..... you said nothing in a whole paragraph.
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» actually obama is very interested in the dutch version of health care
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Posted by: philosimphy on Sep 14, 2009 5:42 AM
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I wonder when Alternet will, along with many other progressive media outlets, pull their collective heads out of their collective asses and just put the blame where it belongs - on Biblical Literalists and Dominionists. Full Fucking Stop.
This article doesn't even say the word. It only says, as most do, that it's the "religious right" but the religious right is fueled by, was started by, and serves the purposes of.... THE DOMINIONISTS.
Most of the time any mention of Dominionists is relegated to reproductive justice & gender... Well I guess maybe that's because Kathryn Joyce is one of the only people calling them out. I don't know, maybe because the only outspoken former dominionists seem to be women who've broken away from it it becomes easy to frame it as a "feminist" issue, instead of something that everyone should be worried about. Of course, the Dominionists LOVE that.
It's DOMINIONISM, DOMINIONISM, DOMINIONISM, DOMINIONISM. Really, it is.
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» Bible people are constantly creating new "isms" for their own insecurities.
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Posted by: exnazipope on Sep 14, 2009 6:18 AM
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that 100,000 figure is false.
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» RE: look at the footage and stop lying...
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» I agree...
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» 1.5 TO 2 MILLION, READ IT AND WEEP Mr. contract killer mercenary and CEO of an insurance co....
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» RE: 1.5 TO 2 MILLION, READ IT AND WEEP Mr. contract killer mercenary and CEO of an insurance co....
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» Lying and spreading RenseMonkey propaganda again, "prophit(0)"?
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» According to the media men with boxcutters crashed into the WTC.
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» The media didn't estimate the crowd's size; the Washington DC fire department did the estimate.
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» Your right, its the foreign press where you get the real news.... it was 1.5 to 2 million....
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» RE: Your right, its the foreign press where you get the real news.... it was 1.5 to 2 million....
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» EncinoM, the hyperlink "prophit(0)" gives appeared on Rense.com this morning.
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» You can always count on "prophit(0)" to lie and spread wing-nut teabagger propaganda.
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» RE: media reports indicated 15,000 and 30,000 crazed reichwingers attended
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» That is why the trolls are out panicking because the numbers were so high it shocked even them.
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» "prophit(0)" posts neo-Nazi, Holocaust denier propaganda, and she calls others "troll".
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» "prophit(0)" the extremist right-wing troll lies and spreads wing-nut teabagger propaganda again.
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» Didn't George Washington shoot up a rabble mob of WHISKEY tax cheats??
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» protest was far smaller than the massive anti-war demonstrations that preceded the invasion of Iraq
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Sep 14, 2009 6:21 AM
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Talking Points Memo.com
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 14, 2009 6:37 AM
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These same people were pushing for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - hows that working out; hundreds of thousands of Afghani's and Iraqi's killed, more than 4300 American dead combined, and thousands injured, a tanked economy, tax cuts solely for the rich & corporate, and a Corporate Oligarchy that behaves worse than the mafia! No these prostitutes in Congress have committed treason against the American people, and for what to keep their hand on the levers of power, to eradicate the few protections and social safety nets that are left to the masses! These people need to be taken out and publicly flogged and humiliated!
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» Yes they are demons of a sort but in their underwear they are laughable.
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Posted by: dover23 on Sep 14, 2009 6:39 AM
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Fine alternative media outlets such a Alternet need to bring more attention to this issue before these threats to our very existence become more powerful than Obama himself.
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» Obama was elected as the Democratic Houdini. Handcuffs are nothing...
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» This is NOT middle class speaking, it is white trash muttering and wheezing.
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» The trailer park "prophit" learned a new word: doublespeak.
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Posted by: marletat on Sep 14, 2009 6:47 AM
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International Foundation
Fellowship Foundation
C Street Center
Fellowship House
Washington Fellowship
Fellowship Ministry[citation needed].
Incorporated in Illinois in December 1942 as the National Committee for Christian Leadership (NCCL), the organization changed its name to International Christian Leadership, Inc. (ICL) in 1943, and in 1972, to Fellowship Foundation, Inc.[2][3] It also has conducted activities as the National Fellowship Council[citation needed] and National Leadership Council.[citation needed]
The Fellowship, which has been led by Douglas Coe since at least 1969, is comprised of about 350 "core members," or "new chosen,"[4] and 20,000 "friends" or "associates"[5]. Its members include scores of U.S. Senators and members of Congress, White House, and other executive branch officials, high-ranking military officers, including Chairmen of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, corporate executives, the heads of religious and humanitarian aid organizations, and non-U.S. leaders and ambassadors.
Coe has said that the Family aims to create a worldwide "family of friends" by spreading the words of Jesus Christ to powerful men and women through "cell" leadership groups.[6] He and his followers teach that these elite, called the "new chosen," have been selected by God and must learn to wield power according to the divine plan.[7] The Family's "reach into governments around the world is almost impossible to overstate or even grasp," according to David Kuo, a former Special Assistant to President George W. Bush.[8]
The group is most widely known for organizing prayer groups throughout the United States and around the world, including the Presidential Prayer Breakfast, later renamed the National Prayer Breakfast. Every sitting United States president since 1953 has attended the event.[9][3][10][11][12][7]
The Family owns or controls extensive property holdings, either outright or through subsidiary and associated companies.[13] As of 2009, its headquarters is a carriage house on the grounds of the Cedars, a mansion in the Woodmont neighborhood of Arlington, Virginia.[1]
The Family generally eschews publicity and asks its members not to speak about the group or its activities; some members have denied that the Family exists.[6]
The Family has drawn criticism for its dominionist theology, including efforts to inject religious principles into every branch of the U.S. Government.[6] Other criticism has centered on its ties to oppressive regimes and dictators[6]; its concealment of associates' secrets, including the extramarital affairs of several U.S. elected officials;[14] and for officials' approving references to the Mafia[15], Adolf Hitler[16], Osama bin Laden and Pol Pot.[17]
ITS NOT ABOUT RELIGION, IT IS ABOUT POWER!! Read Jeff Sharlet's book "The Family-The secret Fundamentalism at the heart of American Power." It will scare the pants off you !
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Posted by: progressive-life on Sep 14, 2009 7:14 AM
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Lets see..."disgruntled white taxpayers " and "outright racists"??. By the sound of this statement it seem one of those "outright" racist is writing this article! The left loves to pull the race card while they can be the biggest racists of them all!
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» "Middle America standing up" - no; displaced trailer trash rolling about.
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» Still suffering from conspiranoid delusions, teabagger?
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 14, 2009 7:15 AM
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The Left vs. Right paradigm is a con to keep Americans bickering with each other while our Republic is destroyed. You'd better wake up America - there's a storm on the horizon.
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» Anna, you completely missed his point, but then what is new.
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 14, 2009 7:18 AM
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» ALRIGHT, I am saving this quote forever... its priceless...
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Posted by: gathaiga on Sep 14, 2009 7:19 AM
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 14, 2009 7:29 AM
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My sign said "BASIC HEALTHCARE IS NOT FOR SALE" and my speech reflected that sentiment.
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» Not an MD, are ya?
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» Did you find a Rick LIppin a regular citizen????
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» But Dr. Rick, it IS for sale. We are just dickering about WHO pays for it.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 14, 2009 7:47 AM
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» He not only wasn't the so called miracle worker, he was "BUSH REDUX"
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Posted by: Elfwyn on Sep 14, 2009 7:58 AM
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When we were freezing and starving during the Second Little Big Horn, it couldn't possibly have been for any reason other than the dumb Indians were organized by _____ (insert subversive group of choice).
Now, you're doing the same. If you disagree, or don't want to see, it's the Religious Right, or Dick Cheney, or Bush, or ... again, insert subversive group of choice.
The so-called "healthcare" bill is b.s. Big Pharma and the AMA (note that doctors are leaving the AMA at a prodigious rate) are behind it because it means $$$$$ for them. Obama et al were, after all, the recipients of the largest payoffs by Fannie and Freddie, among others, so why on earth would you think that it wouldn't be business as usual?
Think you have trouble keeping your brilliant kid off of depressants now? Wait til the Government can do it whether you like it or not (like some states do now).
During Clinton, thousands of Vietnam vets were diagnosed with PTSD ... 30 years after the fact, and without any examination or history of problems.
I've had friends from Canada come stay with me while they got treatment/surgery for cancer, a blown-out hip, etc. Anectdotal? Sure ... but, then, what's not?
Try going to a government-run elder facility, or drop by the Rosebud or Pine Ridge to see just how well the government does things with your money. Bring a truckload of bottled water and blankets with you - the kids could use some shoes, socks, sweats, and coats while you're at it, and while you're there, do some volunteer work. Then go to DC and find out why the BIA won't release funds that already belong to the Indians, and why non-Indians hunters pay the government to hunt on Indian lands (without consent by the owners).
There were all races, all religions (including none), and all areas of the country represented in DC and in the tax protests around the country. I counted about 200 in Manchester NH ... and no media coverage at all.
Same old same old, you bet ... and you'd better WAKE UP!
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» But we KNOW who organized this pseudo-rally
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» RE: But we KNOW who organized this pseudo-rally
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» Parcival01's "There's no question of that."
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» Damn nice job, Elfwyn, you called it perfectly....
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» RE: Same old same old
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Posted by: Elfwyn on Sep 14, 2009 8:02 AM
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impeached?
I've started watching him since he's become infamous, and done research on his past activities, and best I can tell, he's anti-corruption, anti-liar, and anti-big government.
Personally, I have no problem with any of that. He's sometimes a bit clownish, but I vastly prefer clown to tyrant. ???
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» Beck is a right wing harlot.
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» ... and you're boring
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» RE: ... and you're boring Elfwyn
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» God help us.
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» Yo Prophit(0)! When will you learn the difference between your and you're?
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» Yes and No
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» Not withstanding your revisionist history
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Posted by: Lilly on Sep 14, 2009 8:16 AM
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» I don't think that Charles Darwin intended to make a movie or scare Christians.
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» Maybe it can't be allowed in because its lying......
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 14, 2009 8:27 AM
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Where is the righteous idignation at the fact that Obama has ACTUALLY INCREASED THE NUMBER OF TROOPS IN THE Middle East? Hrm. Pelosi ran against the Iraq War and the fact that she would impeach Shrub as campaign promises. Gee whiz she really drove those two items home didn't she? Oh how about Conyers? Your party leadership is morally bankrupt, just like the Neocons are/were. Wake up America.
Let's see how Obama measures up:
1. Patriot Act still in place? Check
2. Posse Commitatus still not restored? Check
3. Habeus Corpus still in question? Check
4. Troops still in Iraq? Check
5. War crimes charges still not brought against the previous administration? Check
6. Destruction of the American middle class working man's ability to support his family still on track? Check
7. Extraordinary renditions still being done? Check
8. Guantanamo detainment facility still in business? Check
Shall I continue?
that there is some change baby!
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 14, 2009 8:29 AM
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You got what you voted for...government for Goldman Sachs and by Goldman Sachs. The problem many of Obama's supporters have, is that they really believed his empty promises. They keep waiting for the 'change' to shine through...they are going to be a long, long, long time waiting.
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» But without conspiracies we would just be another boring consumer network.
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» Do you enjot healthcare...
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» Controlled government spending is a bookeeper's myth, a political carrot and stick.
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» Clinton not a trainwreck like Obama
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» Hey, I agreed with you.. he also did some bad things that laid the foundation for Bush Jr.
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» BUSTED! So tell us, "prophit(0)", why did you lie and claim that 1.5 to 2.0 million teabaggers
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» Please tell my current employers I am a CEO, I could use a raise...
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» What? People are still having sex! Who has the time?
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» How about birth control for your parents?
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Posted by: dcande01 on Sep 14, 2009 9:18 AM
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» If the public option includes psychiatric treatment, the nation will go broke.
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» RE: What A Congregation of White Trash!
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» RE: Its easy to gutter shop public opinion on both the Left and the Right...
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» .... weren't even grammatically correct.
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» A lot of 'em grew up under War Criminal Reagan!!
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» "...The masses are asses." -- Mark Twain
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Posted by: jlowelld on Sep 14, 2009 9:48 AM
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» jlowelld - neither religious nor right
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Posted by: SteveA on Sep 14, 2009 12:20 PM
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2, If you missed it, don't worry! If Obama keeps dragging the country leftward and Congress doesn't remember who elected them, these people will be back.
You may now tell yourself it was just a busload or two and go back to your own "big pharma" of choice. Goodnight!
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Posted by: letrightbedone on Sep 14, 2009 6:59 PM
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My grandmother left school at the age of 12 to be a domestic and help her siblings to get higher education. But she thought and wrote better (and a lot more decently) than Alternet letter writer Lara, who sadly seems to sit and type her vitriolic response to every other letter. Just in reaction to this one paper we've one hostile letter after another from grindermonkey, Prinzowhales and Steve A. et al, wearying yet scary. Yes, there Are angry ones from the left as well, but not as constant. And as for CynicI, someone should keep him after school and help him with his contractions. Heaven help us!
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Posted by: edieb on Sep 15, 2009 8:54 PM
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If that is the case we are already lost; I would not spend one minute with them or their ilk.
When people were peacefully marching to protest a stolen election, illegal invasions and killings of innocent men, women and children and numerous high crimes and misdemeanors perpetrated by the Bush/Grendel Cheney Crime Families, coverage was next to non existent! I wonder why? Not really.
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Posted by: H_DD on Sep 17, 2009 7:55 AM
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Take a look at the pictures at http://912dc.dhwritings.com. You'll see a lot of signs saying that Republicans are at fault along with the Democrats for the mess in Washington. You'll see signs expressing sentiments which the Republican Party is not known to accept. Face it: these people weren't acting as any organizer/string-pullers wanted them to.
I don't doubt the full-hand report of the day-before (Sept 11) fundraising workshop, but those people don't have the beliefs of the many people I spoke to.
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... as IS , painfully apparent , and OBSERVABLE to ALL that LIFT THEIR GAZE from the myopia of our HISTORIC inculcation ...
This WILL pass , albeit initially , in fits-and-spurts ... IT IS , A BRAND NEW DAY ...
PEACE .
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» But to his credit, Obama is paying big pharma with worthless money.
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» Actually our entire economy is based on debt. Its not the money that is worth....
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» You may like John Pilger's "War by Other Means" to see debt run amok.
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» Thanks, I will!
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» Boy, that wasn't clear at all.......
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» RE: Beck and the tea baggers have already won.
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» Actually, beijaflor is right
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Sep 14, 2009 3:52 AM
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Charlie was a anti gov't, white supremeists with religious delusions of granduer.Sounds like the Teabaggers.
Interesting that a number of these 'Seniors' are about the age of Charlie and his converts.
Since Charlie we have seen many incarnations of this sociopathic ideology- cloaked in some 'Patriotic' and 'Religious' claims.
And Yet they are Neither Patriots or Faithfuls.
Patriots fight for US, not against US.Patriots do not call for overthrow, nor secession.
Faithfuls, put their faith in Gods Almightiness, not try to supercede it.Faithfuls revere and abid by the 10 commandments- not rebuke them.
Everyone of those Teabaggers Signs might as well have a Trademark underneath of "Helter Skelter"
Interesting that the accusation that Obama is a "Fascist" has subsided- did they realize they were offending some in their own ranks. The Neo Nazi's walk with them. Not only does the Right harbor them, they are willing to berate Our Greatest Generation for their sacrifics and valor.
they are not trying to hide who they are- so why are we so timid about calling them what they are- Traitors, Heretics and Sociopaths.
In fact it could be summed up by just calling them 'Charlie's Family'
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» Alternet has alway held Manson family values. We are different than the tatooed masses.
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» Is this sarcasm or a joke??? How in the world can you stretch this into some race issue?
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» CON'T: Is this sarcasm or a joke??? How in the world can you stretch this into some race issue?
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» I don't disagree with your last paragraph, truly, but remember...
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» Take your prozac
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Posted by: teritenn on Sep 14, 2009 3:54 AM
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No one should have to die because they can't pay for health care and no one should go broke because they get sick.
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» Be careful teritenn Hymie is reading; our tax dollars susidize Israel's free health care.
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» Worse, our tax dollars subsidizing IRAQ's universal health care
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» Demand birth control for all welfare mothers.
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» And no one should refuse to put beer and cigarette money in a piggy bank.
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Sep 14, 2009 3:57 AM
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FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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» Jesus was a nutcase. Why would he be any more relevant than Beck?
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» RE: Jesus was a nutcase. Why would he be any more relevant than Beck?
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» The "teachings of Jesus" are mythical and irrelevant to the science of medicine.
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» There is a difference, those nutcases have no power, but psychopathy with power is dangerous.
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» Obama Ain't No Liberal
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» Obama starts his arguments from the right of center
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» "Liberalism" is hardly an issue; REASON is the maxim of the day.
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» I do trust you are being sarcastic, max
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» Max, you are letting other people's fears get to you. Calm yourself, organize your delivery.
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» What is happening here is so far outside our experience, that we are suffering....
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» So, is it really happening or not? We "see" this all through words and optical lenses.
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» EXACTLY, you get to choose. Denial is obvious to those who do see, when others engage in it.
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» RE: And his tone...
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» BINGO! you got it.... thanks.
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» RE: Max, you are letting other people's fears get to you. Calm yourself, organize your delivery.
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» RE: I do trust you are being sarcastic, max
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» Actually those most hurt by all of this are the working poor and unemployed ....
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» RE: e: "As disgruntled white taxpayers joined conspiracy theorists" - REVERSE RACISM !!
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» It appears you maybe right, I just saw a big picture of one of the protestors with a sign....
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Posted by: LeonBNJ on Sep 14, 2009 4:26 AM
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» KKK Started After Civil War
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» Prinzofwhales....
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» Your talking to people who have no idea of history..... does anyone know where....
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» The KKK's twisted embrace of Darwinism fueled its hatred of blacks.
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» Sorry, that dog won't hunt anymore!!!
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» Your dog has fleas, racism is fear of color. Fear is the product, race is just another package.
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» Exactly, they are using marketing to deflect us from what is, to the issue of race, .....
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 14, 2009 4:49 AM
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They work to polarize and marginalize populist groups on both the Right and the Left. To keep them at odds over issues unrelated to the real problem--the Oligarchy and its selfish, self-serving policies designed only to enrich itself and destroy all of the economic gains that Americans have made.
Look what the finance capitalists and friends did to the people of Russia. Look what the World Bank and IMF did to Argentina.
Look what their allies are trying to do to the United States.
Before any kind of real reform can come, we have to clean out the nest of finance capitalists who have made the White House, the Congress and the Supreme Court their private hunting preserve. We need an institutional cleansing. And, I think it is becoming increasingly clear to Americans that agents of the Oligarchy like Dick Armey and Barrack Obama are not going to do the job.
What they will do is try to push Right and Left apart...further and further on race, sex and other issues that divert attention from the real issues. I believe it was Jay Gould who said contemptuously that he could 'hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.' That is essentially what they want to do to the electorate--they want it divided over issues of race, abortion, etc., and ignoring their misfeasance and malfeasance so that they kill any chance of a better future. Look at the war...eight years running with an overwhelming majority of Americans opposed...look how they manipulated Progressives into ignoring the peace candidates and supporting the black guy and the woman--getting Democrats to place race and gender above all else in the selection of a candidate. (While ignoring Cynthia McKinney)
And, we don't even need to look at the so-called Constitution supporters on the 'Right' to see how far they have departed any sense of principle in supporting John "Police State" McCain over a real Constitutionalist.
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» The range of your comment baffles the reader. There is no reason however to fear these forces.
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» This is not Infowars or Prison Planet
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Posted by: mtcloud on Sep 14, 2009 4:57 AM
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By Ellen Sauerbrey
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'I'm as Mad as Hell, and I'm Not Gonna Take This Anymore!' This sentiment is being voiced by protesters turning out for Tea Parties and Health Care Town Hall Meetings around the country. People are angry and frightened by the prospect of government running their health care system, but their anger goes far beyond a 1000 page health bill.
Health care reform is merely the spark that has touched off a prairie fire of grassroots rebellion among a people who believe their representatives do not represent them, do not listen to them and do not care what they think. Many Americans feel that they are losing control of their financial well being, their values and their culture. Shell shock set in as they tried to absorb the rapidity of drastic change.
The first stirring of protest came with the Tea Parties in the spring. These gatherings were completely misread by a media that ignored them and dismissed the attendees as right wing kooks. The Tea Parties were about taxes, yes. But far more they were about the rapid intrusion of the federal government into private affairs, about deficit spending, and a growing understanding that America was heading down a very dangerous road.
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» Budgetary mathematics is no longer an issue; the debt can no longer be understood.
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» First we take a quote from a Paddy Chayefsky screenplay
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» Adjust your tuner Mr. Spoon, teabaggers do NOT ride motorcyles or show their tits.
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» You must not get out much
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» The next campaign is afoot. Let's not discourage it.
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» Hahaha, Bernie Matoff loves gov. He is out of jail helping Obama sell bad assets....
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» A better saleman has never existed if you measure performance in dollars.
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Sep 14, 2009 4:57 AM
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» The snake was never preceived as a real threat, it represented the potential for fear.
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Posted by: mtcloud on Sep 14, 2009 5:06 AM
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Massive Corporate Media Coverup of Real Numbers at D.C. Rally
Click here for This time lapse video puts an end to the corporate media lies and spin.
The Gray Lady of Operation Mockingbird, the New York Times, reports today that “thousands” of patriots protested against Obamacare, cap and trade, the bankster bailout, and unchecked federal government power in the District of Criminals yesterday.
“The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd,” the newspaper reports, attempting to downplay the historical significance of the protest.
The New York Times says the police declined to estimate the crowd — or rather the corporate media declined to report it — because the number was around two million, the largest protest in the capitol’s history.
The protest out-numbered Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech delivered from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom on August 28, 1963. That march was estimated at around 200,000 people.
ABC News did likewise, pegging the turnout in the thousands. “Thousands of conservative protesters from across the country converged on the Capitol Saturday morning to demonstrate against President Obama’s proposals for health care reform and voicing opposition to big government, what they say is over-the-top spending,” the corporate propaganda outlet claimed on Saturday.
Ditto the War Street Journal — excuse me, the Wall Street Journal — although they put the number at tens of thousands. The Journal admitted the obvious: “While some Republican officeholders were at the rally, not everybody there called themselves Republicans.”
Fox News tried to spin the event as a Glenn Beck phenomenon.
NPR, the news service of Soros and the foundations, did the same parlor trick with the math, putting the number at tens of thousands. NPR contradicted itself, however, and reported that as “the demonstrators walked along Pennsylvania Avenue toward the U.S. Capitol, the line stretched as far as the eye could see in either direction. The crowd was so thick in places that it was difficult to move.”
As to be expected, the “progressives” (left cover bankster faction) attempted to portray two million patriotic Americans as racists. Think Soros, formerly known as Think Progress, posted a blog entry supposedly revealing racist placards at the event — in fact, none of the signs showed were racist — the worst the Soros operatives produced was a photo of a woman with a Confederate flag. The Soros clan said everybody at the event was white (as if they had examined the skin color of two million people).
It’s not going to work. The two million people who showed up to voice their outrage at a federal government out of control and in violation of the Constitution was but a small sampling of the millions of people across the country in opposition to Obama and the corporate-fascist agenda of his one-world masters.
If Obama and the Democrats ram the deathcare bill through the House by way of “reconciliation,” the opposition will redouble its numbers and once again take to the streets.
Thousands? This timelapse video puts an end to the corporate media lies and spin.
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» How do you count?
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» "Counting" is for children, Mr. Spoon. We are doing damage assessment here.
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» Alternet continues to publish even the most arcane comments; your post is an example.
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» Mtcloud proof that...
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» Alternet is funded by robber baron foundations and part of the "controlled opposition press"
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» Prophit...
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Posted by: peacelf on Sep 14, 2009 5:26 AM
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The New Right is regaining power without adding one elected official to their minority in Congress. Obama is their man.
Look at how Obama treated the Left since elected. He brushed aside any hope for a single payer public health care system, only promising a "public option," which is now reduced to who-knows-what.
Obama even accused progressive Dems in Congress of "exaggerating" the importance of the public option in this supposed health care reform. Implementing a few patient's rights and imposing health insurance on all americans is not a progressive step toward universal coverage.
100,000 protesters in D.C. does not a majority make, yet who speaks for progressives?
We Progressives should've hit the streets at the first sign of reneging by Obama.
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» Direct your attention to the "score card" produced by the 2008 election.
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» Hahaha, that was great..... you said nothing in a whole paragraph.
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» actually obama is very interested in the dutch version of health care
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» You are right as far as you went about Obama's presidency, but I don't think he cares....
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Posted by: philosimphy on Sep 14, 2009 5:42 AM
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I wonder when Alternet will, along with many other progressive media outlets, pull their collective heads out of their collective asses and just put the blame where it belongs - on Biblical Literalists and Dominionists. Full Fucking Stop.
This article doesn't even say the word. It only says, as most do, that it's the "religious right" but the religious right is fueled by, was started by, and serves the purposes of.... THE DOMINIONISTS.
Most of the time any mention of Dominionists is relegated to reproductive justice & gender... Well I guess maybe that's because Kathryn Joyce is one of the only people calling them out. I don't know, maybe because the only outspoken former dominionists seem to be women who've broken away from it it becomes easy to frame it as a "feminist" issue, instead of something that everyone should be worried about. Of course, the Dominionists LOVE that.
It's DOMINIONISM, DOMINIONISM, DOMINIONISM, DOMINIONISM. Really, it is.
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Posted by: exnazipope on Sep 14, 2009 6:18 AM
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that 100,000 figure is false.
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» 1.5 TO 2 MILLION, READ IT AND WEEP Mr. contract killer mercenary and CEO of an insurance co....
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» Lying and spreading RenseMonkey propaganda again, "prophit(0)"?
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» According to the media men with boxcutters crashed into the WTC.
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» The media didn't estimate the crowd's size; the Washington DC fire department did the estimate.
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» Your right, its the foreign press where you get the real news.... it was 1.5 to 2 million....
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» RE: Your right, its the foreign press where you get the real news.... it was 1.5 to 2 million....
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» EncinoM, the hyperlink "prophit(0)" gives appeared on Rense.com this morning.
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» You can always count on "prophit(0)" to lie and spread wing-nut teabagger propaganda.
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» RE: media reports indicated 15,000 and 30,000 crazed reichwingers attended
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» That is why the trolls are out panicking because the numbers were so high it shocked even them.
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» "prophit(0)" posts neo-Nazi, Holocaust denier propaganda, and she calls others "troll".
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» "prophit(0)" the extremist right-wing troll lies and spreads wing-nut teabagger propaganda again.
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» Didn't George Washington shoot up a rabble mob of WHISKEY tax cheats??
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» protest was far smaller than the massive anti-war demonstrations that preceded the invasion of Iraq
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Posted by: ETSpoon on Sep 14, 2009 6:21 AM
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Talking Points Memo.com
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Sep 14, 2009 6:37 AM
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These same people were pushing for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - hows that working out; hundreds of thousands of Afghani's and Iraqi's killed, more than 4300 American dead combined, and thousands injured, a tanked economy, tax cuts solely for the rich & corporate, and a Corporate Oligarchy that behaves worse than the mafia! No these prostitutes in Congress have committed treason against the American people, and for what to keep their hand on the levers of power, to eradicate the few protections and social safety nets that are left to the masses! These people need to be taken out and publicly flogged and humiliated!
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» Yes they are demons of a sort but in their underwear they are laughable.
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Posted by: dover23 on Sep 14, 2009 6:39 AM
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Fine alternative media outlets such a Alternet need to bring more attention to this issue before these threats to our very existence become more powerful than Obama himself.
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» This is NOT middle class speaking, it is white trash muttering and wheezing.
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» The trailer park "prophit" learned a new word: doublespeak.
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Posted by: marletat on Sep 14, 2009 6:47 AM
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International Foundation
Fellowship Foundation
C Street Center
Fellowship House
Washington Fellowship
Fellowship Ministry[citation needed].
Incorporated in Illinois in December 1942 as the National Committee for Christian Leadership (NCCL), the organization changed its name to International Christian Leadership, Inc. (ICL) in 1943, and in 1972, to Fellowship Foundation, Inc.[2][3] It also has conducted activities as the National Fellowship Council[citation needed] and National Leadership Council.[citation needed]
The Fellowship, which has been led by Douglas Coe since at least 1969, is comprised of about 350 "core members," or "new chosen,"[4] and 20,000 "friends" or "associates"[5]. Its members include scores of U.S. Senators and members of Congress, White House, and other executive branch officials, high-ranking military officers, including Chairmen of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, corporate executives, the heads of religious and humanitarian aid organizations, and non-U.S. leaders and ambassadors.
Coe has said that the Family aims to create a worldwide "family of friends" by spreading the words of Jesus Christ to powerful men and women through "cell" leadership groups.[6] He and his followers teach that these elite, called the "new chosen," have been selected by God and must learn to wield power according to the divine plan.[7] The Family's "reach into governments around the world is almost impossible to overstate or even grasp," according to David Kuo, a former Special Assistant to President George W. Bush.[8]
The group is most widely known for organizing prayer groups throughout the United States and around the world, including the Presidential Prayer Breakfast, later renamed the National Prayer Breakfast. Every sitting United States president since 1953 has attended the event.[9][3][10][11][12][7]
The Family owns or controls extensive property holdings, either outright or through subsidiary and associated companies.[13] As of 2009, its headquarters is a carriage house on the grounds of the Cedars, a mansion in the Woodmont neighborhood of Arlington, Virginia.[1]
The Family generally eschews publicity and asks its members not to speak about the group or its activities; some members have denied that the Family exists.[6]
The Family has drawn criticism for its dominionist theology, including efforts to inject religious principles into every branch of the U.S. Government.[6] Other criticism has centered on its ties to oppressive regimes and dictators[6]; its concealment of associates' secrets, including the extramarital affairs of several U.S. elected officials;[14] and for officials' approving references to the Mafia[15], Adolf Hitler[16], Osama bin Laden and Pol Pot.[17]
ITS NOT ABOUT RELIGION, IT IS ABOUT POWER!! Read Jeff Sharlet's book "The Family-The secret Fundamentalism at the heart of American Power." It will scare the pants off you !
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Posted by: progressive-life on Sep 14, 2009 7:14 AM
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Lets see..."disgruntled white taxpayers " and "outright racists"??. By the sound of this statement it seem one of those "outright" racist is writing this article! The left loves to pull the race card while they can be the biggest racists of them all!
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» "Middle America standing up" - no; displaced trailer trash rolling about.
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» Still suffering from conspiranoid delusions, teabagger?
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 14, 2009 7:15 AM
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The Left vs. Right paradigm is a con to keep Americans bickering with each other while our Republic is destroyed. You'd better wake up America - there's a storm on the horizon.
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» Anna, you completely missed his point, but then what is new.
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 14, 2009 7:18 AM
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» ALRIGHT, I am saving this quote forever... its priceless...
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» RE: Hypocrites
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Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 14, 2009 7:29 AM
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My sign said "BASIC HEALTHCARE IS NOT FOR SALE" and my speech reflected that sentiment.
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» Not an MD, are ya?
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» Did you find a Rick LIppin a regular citizen????
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» But Dr. Rick, it IS for sale. We are just dickering about WHO pays for it.
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 14, 2009 7:47 AM
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» He not only wasn't the so called miracle worker, he was "BUSH REDUX"
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Posted by: Elfwyn on Sep 14, 2009 7:58 AM
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When we were freezing and starving during the Second Little Big Horn, it couldn't possibly have been for any reason other than the dumb Indians were organized by _____ (insert subversive group of choice).
Now, you're doing the same. If you disagree, or don't want to see, it's the Religious Right, or Dick Cheney, or Bush, or ... again, insert subversive group of choice.
The so-called "healthcare" bill is b.s. Big Pharma and the AMA (note that doctors are leaving the AMA at a prodigious rate) are behind it because it means $$$$$ for them. Obama et al were, after all, the recipients of the largest payoffs by Fannie and Freddie, among others, so why on earth would you think that it wouldn't be business as usual?
Think you have trouble keeping your brilliant kid off of depressants now? Wait til the Government can do it whether you like it or not (like some states do now).
During Clinton, thousands of Vietnam vets were diagnosed with PTSD ... 30 years after the fact, and without any examination or history of problems.
I've had friends from Canada come stay with me while they got treatment/surgery for cancer, a blown-out hip, etc. Anectdotal? Sure ... but, then, what's not?
Try going to a government-run elder facility, or drop by the Rosebud or Pine Ridge to see just how well the government does things with your money. Bring a truckload of bottled water and blankets with you - the kids could use some shoes, socks, sweats, and coats while you're at it, and while you're there, do some volunteer work. Then go to DC and find out why the BIA won't release funds that already belong to the Indians, and why non-Indians hunters pay the government to hunt on Indian lands (without consent by the owners).
There were all races, all religions (including none), and all areas of the country represented in DC and in the tax protests around the country. I counted about 200 in Manchester NH ... and no media coverage at all.
Same old same old, you bet ... and you'd better WAKE UP!
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» But we KNOW who organized this pseudo-rally
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» RE: But we KNOW who organized this pseudo-rally
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» Parcival01's "There's no question of that."
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» Damn nice job, Elfwyn, you called it perfectly....
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» RE: Same old same old
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Posted by: Elfwyn on Sep 14, 2009 8:02 AM
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impeached?
I've started watching him since he's become infamous, and done research on his past activities, and best I can tell, he's anti-corruption, anti-liar, and anti-big government.
Personally, I have no problem with any of that. He's sometimes a bit clownish, but I vastly prefer clown to tyrant. ???
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» Beck is a right wing harlot.
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» ... and you're boring
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» RE: ... and you're boring
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» RE: ... and you're boring Elfwyn
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» God help us.
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» RE: Beck?
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» RE: Beck?
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» Yo Prophit(0)! When will you learn the difference between your and you're?
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Posted by: Elfwyn on Sep 14, 2009 8:05 AM
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» Yes and No
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» RE: Yes and No
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» RE: Yes and No
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» RE: Yes and No
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» Not withstanding your revisionist history
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Posted by: Lilly on Sep 14, 2009 8:16 AM
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» RE: Darwin Movie Can't Be Sold in US Market
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» RE: Darwin Movie Can't Be Sold in US Market
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» I don't think that Charles Darwin intended to make a movie or scare Christians.
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» Maybe it can't be allowed in because its lying......
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Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Sep 14, 2009 8:27 AM
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Where is the righteous idignation at the fact that Obama has ACTUALLY INCREASED THE NUMBER OF TROOPS IN THE Middle East? Hrm. Pelosi ran against the Iraq War and the fact that she would impeach Shrub as campaign promises. Gee whiz she really drove those two items home didn't she? Oh how about Conyers? Your party leadership is morally bankrupt, just like the Neocons are/were. Wake up America.
Let's see how Obama measures up:
1. Patriot Act still in place? Check
2. Posse Commitatus still not restored? Check
3. Habeus Corpus still in question? Check
4. Troops still in Iraq? Check
5. War crimes charges still not brought against the previous administration? Check
6. Destruction of the American middle class working man's ability to support his family still on track? Check
7. Extraordinary renditions still being done? Check
8. Guantanamo detainment facility still in business? Check
Shall I continue?
that there is some change baby!
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» RE: False Left vs. Right Paradigm
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 14, 2009 8:29 AM
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You got what you voted for...government for Goldman Sachs and by Goldman Sachs. The problem many of Obama's supporters have, is that they really believed his empty promises. They keep waiting for the 'change' to shine through...they are going to be a long, long, long time waiting.
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» Looks like the Rense.com
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» But without conspiracies we would just be another boring consumer network.
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» RE: Goldman Sachs was O'bomb'em's biggest backer...
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» Do you enjot healthcare...
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» Controlled government spending is a bookeeper's myth, a political carrot and stick.
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» Clinton not a trainwreck like Obama
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» Hey, I agreed with you.. he also did some bad things that laid the foundation for Bush Jr.
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» BUSTED! So tell us, "prophit(0)", why did you lie and claim that 1.5 to 2.0 million teabaggers
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» Please tell my current employers I am a CEO, I could use a raise...
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Posted by: leemiller38 on Sep 14, 2009 9:09 AM
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» What? People are still having sex! Who has the time?
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» RE: How about birth control for everyone
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» How about birth control for your parents?
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Posted by: dcande01 on Sep 14, 2009 9:18 AM
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» If the public option includes psychiatric treatment, the nation will go broke.
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» RE: Yeah, with noble souls such as yourself trying to get an honest handout from them...
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» RE: What A Congregation of White Trash!
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» RE: What A Congregation of White Trash!
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» RE: Its easy to gutter shop public opinion on both the Left and the Right...
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» .... weren't even grammatically correct.
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» RE: .... weren't even grammatically correct.
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» A lot of 'em grew up under War Criminal Reagan!!
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» RE: Thats who we really need to hear from/people with NO INSURANCE!!
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» RE: Thats who we really need to hear from/people with NO INSURANCE!!
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» RE: What A Congregation of White Trash!
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» "...The masses are asses." -- Mark Twain
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Posted by: jlowelld on Sep 14, 2009 9:48 AM
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» jlowelld - neither religious nor right
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 14, 2009 11:56 AM
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» RE: zooeyhall's capitalism + fundamentalist religion
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» RE: uthless capitalism + fundamentalist religion
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Posted by: SteveA on Sep 14, 2009 12:20 PM
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2, If you missed it, don't worry! If Obama keeps dragging the country leftward and Congress doesn't remember who elected them, these people will be back.
You may now tell yourself it was just a busload or two and go back to your own "big pharma" of choice. Goodnight!
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» RE: Two little surprises
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» RE: All I saw in DC was trailer trash...
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Posted by: BBaumer on Sep 14, 2009 1:59 PM
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» RE: sick of this pro corporation bs
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» RE: Its the Democratic Leadership!
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» RE: sick of this pro corporation bs
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Posted by: letrightbedone on Sep 14, 2009 6:59 PM
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My grandmother left school at the age of 12 to be a domestic and help her siblings to get higher education. But she thought and wrote better (and a lot more decently) than Alternet letter writer Lara, who sadly seems to sit and type her vitriolic response to every other letter. Just in reaction to this one paper we've one hostile letter after another from grindermonkey, Prinzowhales and Steve A. et al, wearying yet scary. Yes, there Are angry ones from the left as well, but not as constant. And as for CynicI, someone should keep him after school and help him with his contractions. Heaven help us!
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Posted by: edieb on Sep 15, 2009 8:54 PM
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If that is the case we are already lost; I would not spend one minute with them or their ilk.
When people were peacefully marching to protest a stolen election, illegal invasions and killings of innocent men, women and children and numerous high crimes and misdemeanors perpetrated by the Bush/Grendel Cheney Crime Families, coverage was next to non existent! I wonder why? Not really.
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Posted by: H_DD on Sep 17, 2009 7:55 AM
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Take a look at the pictures at http://912dc.dhwritings.com. You'll see a lot of signs saying that Republicans are at fault along with the Democrats for the mess in Washington. You'll see signs expressing sentiments which the Republican Party is not known to accept. Face it: these people weren't acting as any organizer/string-pullers wanted them to.
I don't doubt the full-hand report of the day-before (Sept 11) fundraising workshop, but those people don't have the beliefs of the many people I spoke to.
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