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Video: Chicks Ground Up Alive to Bring You Cheap Eggs

What's an egg hatchery to do with useless male chicks? It grinds them up alive.
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The "food units" cascading down the conveyor in the video are sorted like apples; some are fine grade, others, rejects.

In this case, however, the kinetic yellow balls comprising an undulating fuzzy mass are not pears or peppers but newly hatched chicks.

And they're being sorted into categories -- male, female and deformed -- with "male" and "deformed" destined for an especially horrible death.

An undercover video made at the Hy-Line Hatchery in Spencer, Iowa -- the largest hatchery for egg-laying breed chicks in the U.S. -- confirms what has been rumored for years about the egg industry: that newly hatched males, which are worthless to the egg industry, are ground up alive in chopping machines called macerators. The video was released released by Mercy For Animals.

Video taken with a hidden camera clearly shows healthy male chicks, peeping and bouncing as they greet the world, fed alive into the blades of the macerator like so much litter. Hello! Goodbye!

"I saw a bloody slush coming out of the bottom of the grinder," writes the MFA investigator who worked in the Hy-Line "transfer room" and on the cleaning crew during May and June. "The plant manager told me that the ground-up male chicks were used in dog food and fertilizer."

Nor does the egg industry want to waste any time letting a chick peck its way out of its shell. The hatchery's "separator" machine efficiently disconnects chicks from their shells at the price of the few which fall to the ground or get caught in the machine and "washed" along with the equipment.

Asked about the panting, damp baby chickens on the floor, half hatched and half dead, a worker tells the MFA investigator, "Some of them get on the floor and get wet and then they're no good." A surviving female chick will begin her tour of duty on the egg farm before she's mature enough to meet the light of day, with a painful visit to the debeaking machine, where her beak will be severed in order to prevent her from pecking her fellow inmates in the tightly-packed quarters in which these birds are raised.

Like veal calves on dairy farms, these baby chickens are separated from their mothers despite their innate biological urges. Their first hours of life will be met, not by their mothers, but by blades, pain and terror in the mechanized hell the egg industry has devised to bring cheap product to the market.

The Mercy For Animals video shows both the ground-alive fate met by male chicks, and the debeaking procedure in which female chicks are inserted, en mass, into a laser cutter where they dangle by their beaks, struggling, while burns are inflicted that make part of their beak fall off in a week.

The procedures shown in the video are legal and accepted industry practices -- including in so-called free range operations. Although these procedures are approved by the American Veterinary Medical Association, some veterinarians dissent.

Dr. Debra Teachout of Illinois notes a particular irony about the debeaking procedure. "As a practicing veterinarian," she explains, "if I were treating a pet chicken of the same age that required a similar surgical procedure on its beak for therapeutic reasons, and I did not use anesthetics followed by pain modulation, it would be considered malpractice." The beak is a "sensory organ," says Dr. Teachout, necessary not just for grasping food, but for "preening, drinking, manipulating objects in the environment, nest building and defense."

"Intense pain, shock and bleeding result" from debeaking and "some chicks may die outright in the process," says Nedim C. Buyukmihci, V.M.D., emeritus professor of veterinary medicine at the University of California, a specialist in farmed animals and chickens. "There is loss of weight because the chicks are too painful or disfigured to eat properly, sometimes because the tongue is injured or severed during the process."

And maceration? Some 150,000 baby males a day face, while alive, the hatchery grinding blades, according to the MFA investigator.

To render live chicks "into pink mush" even as they "bounce and vocalize" cannot be termed euthanasia, says Dr. Teachout because that term implies a "good death."

The U.S. trade group United Egg Producers confirms the daily maceration of thousands of chicks depicted by the video. It's just the price we pay for cheap eggs, said spokesman Mitch Head to the Associated Press. "There is, unfortunately, no way to breed eggs that only produce female hens. If someone has a need for 200 million male chicks, we're happy to provide them to anyone who wants them. But we can find no market, no need."

But at simultaneous press conferences where the video was presented this week in the Iowa cities of Spencer, Des Moines and Davenport, Mercy For Animals contended that many consumers would reject such cruelty if they knew about it. The Chicago-based group is calling on Wal-Mart, Kroger, Safeway and 47 other grocery chains to affix a new label to egg cartons that depicts a chick atop grinding blades, and reads: "Warning: Male chicks are ground up alive by the egg industry."

"The vast majority of Americans care deeply about farmed animal welfare issues, yet, they're kept in the dark about the egg industry's painful disposal of male chicks," says Nathan Runkle, MFA executive director. "If egg producers threw mutilated and ground up puppies or kittens, they'd be prosecuted for cruelty to animals."

Grocery stores and consumers have an obligation to acknowledge the truth about eggs, says Runkle, especially when there are so many "easy and delicious" alternatives. "Compassionate consumers can find an assortment of mouthwatering egg-free recipes at ChooseVeg.com," he says.





Martha Rosenberg is a columnist and cartoonist who frequently writes about the impact of the pharmaceutical, food and gun industries on public health. A former medical copywriter, her work has appeared in the Boston Globe, San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune, as well as on the BBC and in the original National Lampoon.
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No One Cares
Posted by: QQOblivion on Sep 4, 2009 1:53 PM   
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No other comments yet. Americans don't care about this. Not even "liberals" care. Is it any wonder Americans are so care-free about torture and mass-death carried out in our names? Not really.

As for me, I used to eat eggs, but not anymore if I can help it.

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There's a self-congratulatory myth that says things today are better -
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 5, 2009 3:53 AM   
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more just and humane - than ever before. It's pure bullshit and it's used to rationalize our sick industrial society. The fact is more children die each year from under- and malnutrition and simple diseases than ever before, some thirty to forty million per year. More people live in medieval poverty than ever before. More animals are tortured in "efficient" food industry processes than ever before. And bear in mind, these animals are sentient being that feel pain and don't want to be tortured and killed.

I read that about 200 million "useless" chicks are euthanized in grinding machines annually in the U.S. That's slaughter morally equivalent to the slaughter of millions of people, since both people and stock animals have feelings. I'm not against killing to eat, but it should at least be done humanely, damn the costs.

The biggest reason there's more suffering than ever before is there's more people than ever before: more to feed, more to exploit etc. And the reason there's more people is the inflated carrying capacity enabled by industrialism. Industrialism is history's greatest evil. It is the ruin of the natural world as we know it and it brutalizes far too many people, who forgo their humanity to work in plants like this chick-processing center, or who learn not to care that the majority of the human world, billions of people, live in conditions of poverty.

When industrialism is finished off by resource depletion and ecological degradation, despite the suffering this transition will be the best thing that's ever happened to people and the world at large.

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Those grinding machines could have a morally upright use, however.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 5, 2009 4:08 AM   
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If they were scaled up, the callous assholes of the world - the "me and my own, fuck everything else (man, woman, child, animals, the natural environment)" types - could be chucked into them and reduced to pulp. I'd happily work the sorting lines.

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Why not raise them for 4-6 months then process them into chicken wings and mini drumsticks, with the
Posted by: drfun on Sep 5, 2009 4:17 AM   
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remaining meat used for pressed chicken meat products.

Such a waste of good meat is insane.

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Goose Down...
Posted by: alaskagrrl on Sep 5, 2009 4:18 AM   
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Come on -- you don't really think they PLUCK all the down for the feathers in your jacket ?

It's made the same way. Think about that the next time you slip into that cozy jacket to go skiing.

Worse yet -- use Polypro !

There is no end to the troubles wrought by mankind. We are so bad.... and we are all so GUILTY (if only through ignorance)

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I'd like to know the ratio of chicks that go into grinders to the number of eggs
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 5, 2009 4:21 AM   
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that make it to sale at food retailers. For example, let's say the ratio is one mutilated chick for every gross of eggs that is sold. I'd like to know the real numbers. They'd probably mean that the egg section at your supermarket represents dozens of chicks that didn't make the cut and were thrown into grinding machines.

This information could be used as a slogan by animal rights activists to shame people away from buying industrially produced eggs.

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Find a Local Flock
Posted by: FAITHCARR on Sep 5, 2009 4:35 AM   
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This is what factory farming gets you.

I have a small (7 hens) flock for eggs. What extra I have are given on freecycle.

I'm adding a rooster to keep my flock sustainable so that I do not have to buy a batch of chicks each year. Next year a portion of the flock will be raised exclusivly for meat.

But not one will be ground up. Yes,raised for meat in a clean, well maintained coops and run. With a bit of free range when the weather is nice.

Food security is important to my community.

They are going to supply me with feed in exchange for a safe food source.

I love my layers and they all have names.

But I'm not too sentimental. Small holdings farms are not sentimental places.

It's good healthy clean food.

Oh yeah, I've got a small orchard and 1600 sq.ft. of gardens.

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City boy learns something new
Posted by: ender on Sep 5, 2009 4:50 AM   
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This city slicker always assumed that the hen:rooster sex ratio was a natural occurrence.

Watching the male chicks enter the grinder at one end and come out the other as red paste a la Pink Floyd's "The Wall" left me wondering if that's the "human quality whole chicken protein" that I've been buying for my beloved cats.

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anyone running this kind of a factory is short on mental health
Posted by: Suzon on Sep 5, 2009 5:32 AM   
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One of the reasons that individuals get away with this sort of cruelty (too mild a word), is because they know that we don't know who they are. Who reads the business section of a newspaper: only the money-chasers themselves.

The "corporation" allows individuals to hide behind a false name or brand.

I would have the large photographs of the factory owners and directors posted on highway billboards along with photos of the process. Website idea anyone?

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Male chickens
Posted by: messedup on Sep 5, 2009 6:09 AM   
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I wonder what they do with the males in other societies. I would guess they pull their heads fairly early in life as they are just to competitive, loud, and rowdy.

Even the small 20-30 flock size farms where I get my eggs only have one-three roosters tops, and then mostly just for protection.

We live in a throw away society.

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Just when you think you've seen it all...
Posted by: tlCampbell on Sep 5, 2009 7:12 AM   
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...another completely asinine industrialized farming method is brought to public attention.

The point made that if a veterinarian performed debeaking (amongst the other cruel things) without anesthesia they would be charged for malpractice, is a critical one that the public needs to keep hearing. It is unacceptable to justify torture to meet unrealistic demands of the general populace.

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What do you expect....
Posted by: winchelenator on Sep 5, 2009 8:47 AM   
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....from society,that conducts false flag operations in order to profit from an illegal war? Any asshole in the military, whom thinks he/she is serving their country is morally/mentally decrepit.

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The agribusiness lobby has been pushing hard to make photographing abuses like this a felony
Posted by: Paul_C on Sep 5, 2009 10:08 AM   
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They want it classified as terrorism! I kid you not! It may already be state law in Texas, I am not sure.

This meshes neatly with the Bush/Cheney "war on terror" and their push to allow domestic surveillance against "terrorists".

Several interesting facts:
- one of the first groups of citizens that the NSA eavesdropped on under Bush's program were peace activists and environmentalists
- top on the FBI's most wanted list are "eco-terrorists", people who use property destruction as a tool to get their message across (no one has ever been harmed)
- the FBI was shown in a civil suit to have planted a car bomb under the car of two prominent enviro activists that exploded and I believe killed them both
- the top enemy of the right wing corporate "think tanks" are citizen activists

The so-called war on terror has had several purposes:
- to establish precedent to declare marshal law
- to equate citizen activism with "terrorism"
- to control Iraq's oil

The true intent of the right wing is to enact an effective coup to topple the US government. There is no doubt in my mind about this. The recent spate of tea-bagger violence is simply one more example.

peace,
Paul

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animal rights: a progressive cause
Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 5, 2009 11:43 AM   
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A vegetarian since 1982, I attended my first anti-vivisection protest in the spring of 1985, as anti-apartheid demonstrations rocked the UC San Diego campus. I first got interested in promoting vegetarianism in mainstream society after reading John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987). Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, it makes veganism seem as reasonable and mainstream as recycling.

Half the water consumed in the U.S. goes to irrigate land growing feed and fodder for livestock. Huge amounts of water wash away their excrement. U.S. livestock produce 20 times as much excrement as does the entire human population; creating sewage which is 10 to several hundred times more concentrated than raw domestic sewage. Animal wastes cause 10 times more water pollution than does the U.S. human population; the meat industry causes three times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined. Meat producers, the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contribute to half the water pollution in the United States.

Joanna Macy, author of Despair and Personal Power in the Nuclear Age, depicts the advantages of America moving towards a vegan diet in her foreword to Diet for a New America:

"The effects on our physical health are immediate. The incidence of cancer and heart attack, the nation's biggest killers, drops precipitously. So do many other diseases now demonstrably and causally linked to consumption of animal proteins and fats, such as osteoporosis...

"The social, ecological, and economic consequences, as we Americans turn away from animal food products, are equally remarkable. We find that the grain we previously fed to fatten livestock can now feed five times the U.S. population; so we have become able to alleviate malnutrition and hunger on a worldwide scale...

"The great forests of the world, that we had been decimating for grazing purposes, begin to grow again. Oxygen-producing trees are no longer sacrificed for cholesterol-producing steaks.

"The water crisis eases. As we stop raising and grinding up cattle for hamburgers, we discover that ranching and farm factories had been the major drain on our water resources. The amount now available for irrigation and hydroelectric power doubles. Meanwhile, the change in diet frees over 90% of the fossil fuel previously used to produce food. With this liberation of water energy and fossil fuel energy, our reliance on oil imports declines, as does the rationale for building nuclear power plants..."

Joanna Macy admits, "This scenario is wildly, absurdly utopian. It is also clearly the way we are meant to live, built to live." What could possibly make it a reality? "It is this very book!"

Roberta Kalechofsky of Jews for Animal Rights similarly says:

"Merely by ceasing to eat meat
Merely by practicing restraint
We have the power to end a painful industry

"We do not have to bear arms to end this evil
We do not have to contribute money
We do not have to sit in jail or go to
meetings or demonstrations or
engage in acts of civil disobedience

"Most often, the act of repairing the world,
of healing mortal wounds,
is left to heroes and tzaddikim (holy people)
Saints and people of unusual discipline

"But here is an action every mortal can
perform--surely it is not too difficult!"

When I first read Diet for a New America, I felt it could have the same kind of impact on mainstream American society that Frances Moore Lappe's Diet for a Small Planet had in the '70s.

John Robbins spoke before the United Nations in 1994, where he received a standing ovation.

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What's ONE MORE LIFE more of less?
Posted by: Matamillion on Sep 5, 2009 3:06 PM   
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We have no problem bankrolling over a million human deaths in Iraq to keep our HUM-Vs purring along. And that's HUMAN DEATHS we don't give a flying fuck about just to stay safe & free. I can't imagine we'll waste one breath saving these chicks. They get to live 20 minutes & then be ground into a paste to feed the girls. In some circles that would be preferred human behavior!

As far as I know, our love of life is lip service intended to raise us above others & give us something to insult people with because when it comes down to it, we obviously like our roast chicken too much to give it up for these condemned roosters. The fact that we can't figure out what to do with the little buggers besides making them into tartar just goes to show you the extent of disinterest in life we REALLY harbor.

Some pathetic god fearing christian is condemning these chicks to mechanical death and solely to turn a filthy profit. They will put their own chicks thru college on the money made from this without batting an eye and the second you say anything, you become un-American.

It's just one more atrocity deliberately committed to keep us in the lap of luxury. The fact that we don't yet eat other humans is only a matter of profit and I will bet money there are rich fuckholes in this wide capitalist world eating human flesh just because they can!

We are sooooo walking the line on this giant conveyor belt to death we live. Morality is obviously nothing to us or we'd have stopped it long ago, but really, do WITHOUT roast chicken??????

You know damn well what it takes to feed 6 BILLION people. It's something like this or it ain't. You can't have it both ways, so you'd better decide while you still have a democracy to use against evil what you are going to do about it. Because this is pure banal evil.

If you can't relate to those chicks & their deadly plight then I guess you're a Neocon & will be reached about the same time we figure out child molesters. But if you're a truly compassionate human being with a stake in this over burdened system you will do what it takes and step up to the cruel food processor we depend on & turn it off. Or embrace your inner devil & suck the meat off the bone!

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This Is the Logical Conclusion
Posted by: Jim Shaw on Sep 5, 2009 3:24 PM   
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of a system where money is everything.

It isn't long before the ruthless and greedy apply industrial processes to living beings.

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Put them out of business!
Posted by: tod on Sep 5, 2009 3:36 PM   
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Fucking Corporate PIGS!!! This is disgusting to hear how they treat the birds, how would you like to be ground up just because you were not going to be productive to the profit grubbing corporation. This and all the companies like this need to be put out of business.

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easy decissions
Posted by: richholland on Sep 6, 2009 6:36 AM   
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by not eating tortured factory pigs
nor eating supermarketchicken and telling this to
all your friends and relatives
things soon will change.

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People think I'm anal...
Posted by: Groovy Vegan on Sep 6, 2009 10:20 AM   
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when I go to a restaurant and ask, "does this bread have dairy or eggs in it? Was it brushed with an eggwash? Is the pasta made with eggs?" etc. But as a vegan for over 20 years, I'm trying to avoid participating in horrible cruelty such as documented above.

Most people don't make the connection between the food they buy and eat and the cruelty it supports. I would like to make his better known. I linked a story about the above video on my Facebook page, and one of my Facebook friends accused me of trying "proselytize" veganism. So I'm not supposed to make these cruelties better known?!! I'm going to keep spreading this information, and hopefully more people will vote with their dollars not to support cruelty.

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Michael Moore's stance on animal rights
Posted by: ZPaul on Sep 8, 2009 2:48 AM   
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After watching some of this sickening video, I am reminded of something Michael Moore wrote when criticizing PETA, as progressive as he seems to be on other issues: "Animals don't have rights". While I agreed with him on the futility of freeing immobilized laying hens, this sweeping statement surprised me.
Did anybody else here notice that in his book? (I think it was in "Dude,Where's my Country?")

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I'm a meat eater, I'm a hunter , I'm even an EEEEVIIL gun owner.
Posted by: Treo on Sep 10, 2009 1:58 PM   
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And this aint cool. I fthey're going to kill the males than do it humanely throwing them into a chipper aint gettin' it

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Hmmm, sound's familiar
Posted by: snotnosedkid on Sep 14, 2009 7:50 PM   
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Not that I think killing chicks for cheaper eggs is morally justifiable, however have you ever published a report about all the killing of human babies for cheaper health care?

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No One Cares
Posted by: QQOblivion on Sep 4, 2009 1:53 PM   
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No other comments yet. Americans don't care about this. Not even "liberals" care. Is it any wonder Americans are so care-free about torture and mass-death carried out in our names? Not really.

As for me, I used to eat eggs, but not anymore if I can help it.

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There's a self-congratulatory myth that says things today are better -
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 5, 2009 3:53 AM   
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more just and humane - than ever before. It's pure bullshit and it's used to rationalize our sick industrial society. The fact is more children die each year from under- and malnutrition and simple diseases than ever before, some thirty to forty million per year. More people live in medieval poverty than ever before. More animals are tortured in "efficient" food industry processes than ever before. And bear in mind, these animals are sentient being that feel pain and don't want to be tortured and killed.

I read that about 200 million "useless" chicks are euthanized in grinding machines annually in the U.S. That's slaughter morally equivalent to the slaughter of millions of people, since both people and stock animals have feelings. I'm not against killing to eat, but it should at least be done humanely, damn the costs.

The biggest reason there's more suffering than ever before is there's more people than ever before: more to feed, more to exploit etc. And the reason there's more people is the inflated carrying capacity enabled by industrialism. Industrialism is history's greatest evil. It is the ruin of the natural world as we know it and it brutalizes far too many people, who forgo their humanity to work in plants like this chick-processing center, or who learn not to care that the majority of the human world, billions of people, live in conditions of poverty.

When industrialism is finished off by resource depletion and ecological degradation, despite the suffering this transition will be the best thing that's ever happened to people and the world at large.

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Those grinding machines could have a morally upright use, however.
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 5, 2009 4:08 AM   
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If they were scaled up, the callous assholes of the world - the "me and my own, fuck everything else (man, woman, child, animals, the natural environment)" types - could be chucked into them and reduced to pulp. I'd happily work the sorting lines.

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Why not raise them for 4-6 months then process them into chicken wings and mini drumsticks, with the
Posted by: drfun on Sep 5, 2009 4:17 AM   
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remaining meat used for pressed chicken meat products.

Such a waste of good meat is insane.

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Goose Down...
Posted by: alaskagrrl on Sep 5, 2009 4:18 AM   
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Come on -- you don't really think they PLUCK all the down for the feathers in your jacket ?

It's made the same way. Think about that the next time you slip into that cozy jacket to go skiing.

Worse yet -- use Polypro !

There is no end to the troubles wrought by mankind. We are so bad.... and we are all so GUILTY (if only through ignorance)

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I'd like to know the ratio of chicks that go into grinders to the number of eggs
Posted by: and_abottleofrum on Sep 5, 2009 4:21 AM   
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that make it to sale at food retailers. For example, let's say the ratio is one mutilated chick for every gross of eggs that is sold. I'd like to know the real numbers. They'd probably mean that the egg section at your supermarket represents dozens of chicks that didn't make the cut and were thrown into grinding machines.

This information could be used as a slogan by animal rights activists to shame people away from buying industrially produced eggs.

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Find a Local Flock
Posted by: FAITHCARR on Sep 5, 2009 4:35 AM   
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This is what factory farming gets you.

I have a small (7 hens) flock for eggs. What extra I have are given on freecycle.

I'm adding a rooster to keep my flock sustainable so that I do not have to buy a batch of chicks each year. Next year a portion of the flock will be raised exclusivly for meat.

But not one will be ground up. Yes,raised for meat in a clean, well maintained coops and run. With a bit of free range when the weather is nice.

Food security is important to my community.

They are going to supply me with feed in exchange for a safe food source.

I love my layers and they all have names.

But I'm not too sentimental. Small holdings farms are not sentimental places.

It's good healthy clean food.

Oh yeah, I've got a small orchard and 1600 sq.ft. of gardens.

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City boy learns something new
Posted by: ender on Sep 5, 2009 4:50 AM   
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This city slicker always assumed that the hen:rooster sex ratio was a natural occurrence.

Watching the male chicks enter the grinder at one end and come out the other as red paste a la Pink Floyd's "The Wall" left me wondering if that's the "human quality whole chicken protein" that I've been buying for my beloved cats.

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anyone running this kind of a factory is short on mental health
Posted by: Suzon on Sep 5, 2009 5:32 AM   
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One of the reasons that individuals get away with this sort of cruelty (too mild a word), is because they know that we don't know who they are. Who reads the business section of a newspaper: only the money-chasers themselves.

The "corporation" allows individuals to hide behind a false name or brand.

I would have the large photographs of the factory owners and directors posted on highway billboards along with photos of the process. Website idea anyone?

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Male chickens
Posted by: messedup on Sep 5, 2009 6:09 AM   
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I wonder what they do with the males in other societies. I would guess they pull their heads fairly early in life as they are just to competitive, loud, and rowdy.

Even the small 20-30 flock size farms where I get my eggs only have one-three roosters tops, and then mostly just for protection.

We live in a throw away society.

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Just when you think you've seen it all...
Posted by: tlCampbell on Sep 5, 2009 7:12 AM   
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...another completely asinine industrialized farming method is brought to public attention.

The point made that if a veterinarian performed debeaking (amongst the other cruel things) without anesthesia they would be charged for malpractice, is a critical one that the public needs to keep hearing. It is unacceptable to justify torture to meet unrealistic demands of the general populace.

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What do you expect....
Posted by: winchelenator on Sep 5, 2009 8:47 AM   
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....from society,that conducts false flag operations in order to profit from an illegal war? Any asshole in the military, whom thinks he/she is serving their country is morally/mentally decrepit.

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The agribusiness lobby has been pushing hard to make photographing abuses like this a felony
Posted by: Paul_C on Sep 5, 2009 10:08 AM   
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They want it classified as terrorism! I kid you not! It may already be state law in Texas, I am not sure.

This meshes neatly with the Bush/Cheney "war on terror" and their push to allow domestic surveillance against "terrorists".

Several interesting facts:
- one of the first groups of citizens that the NSA eavesdropped on under Bush's program were peace activists and environmentalists
- top on the FBI's most wanted list are "eco-terrorists", people who use property destruction as a tool to get their message across (no one has ever been harmed)
- the FBI was shown in a civil suit to have planted a car bomb under the car of two prominent enviro activists that exploded and I believe killed them both
- the top enemy of the right wing corporate "think tanks" are citizen activists

The so-called war on terror has had several purposes:
- to establish precedent to declare marshal law
- to equate citizen activism with "terrorism"
- to control Iraq's oil

The true intent of the right wing is to enact an effective coup to topple the US government. There is no doubt in my mind about this. The recent spate of tea-bagger violence is simply one more example.

peace,
Paul

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animal rights: a progressive cause
Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 5, 2009 11:43 AM   
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A vegetarian since 1982, I attended my first anti-vivisection protest in the spring of 1985, as anti-apartheid demonstrations rocked the UC San Diego campus. I first got interested in promoting vegetarianism in mainstream society after reading John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987). Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, it makes veganism seem as reasonable and mainstream as recycling.

Half the water consumed in the U.S. goes to irrigate land growing feed and fodder for livestock. Huge amounts of water wash away their excrement. U.S. livestock produce 20 times as much excrement as does the entire human population; creating sewage which is 10 to several hundred times more concentrated than raw domestic sewage. Animal wastes cause 10 times more water pollution than does the U.S. human population; the meat industry causes three times as much harmful organic water pollution than the rest of the nation's industries combined. Meat producers, the number one industrial polluters in our nation, contribute to half the water pollution in the United States.

Joanna Macy, author of Despair and Personal Power in the Nuclear Age, depicts the advantages of America moving towards a vegan diet in her foreword to Diet for a New America:

"The effects on our physical health are immediate. The incidence of cancer and heart attack, the nation's biggest killers, drops precipitously. So do many other diseases now demonstrably and causally linked to consumption of animal proteins and fats, such as osteoporosis...

"The social, ecological, and economic consequences, as we Americans turn away from animal food products, are equally remarkable. We find that the grain we previously fed to fatten livestock can now feed five times the U.S. population; so we have become able to alleviate malnutrition and hunger on a worldwide scale...

"The great forests of the world, that we had been decimating for grazing purposes, begin to grow again. Oxygen-producing trees are no longer sacrificed for cholesterol-producing steaks.

"The water crisis eases. As we stop raising and grinding up cattle for hamburgers, we discover that ranching and farm factories had been the major drain on our water resources. The amount now available for irrigation and hydroelectric power doubles. Meanwhile, the change in diet frees over 90% of the fossil fuel previously used to produce food. With this liberation of water energy and fossil fuel energy, our reliance on oil imports declines, as does the rationale for building nuclear power plants..."

Joanna Macy admits, "This scenario is wildly, absurdly utopian. It is also clearly the way we are meant to live, built to live." What could possibly make it a reality? "It is this very book!"

Roberta Kalechofsky of Jews for Animal Rights similarly says:

"Merely by ceasing to eat meat
Merely by practicing restraint
We have the power to end a painful industry

"We do not have to bear arms to end this evil
We do not have to contribute money
We do not have to sit in jail or go to
meetings or demonstrations or
engage in acts of civil disobedience

"Most often, the act of repairing the world,
of healing mortal wounds,
is left to heroes and tzaddikim (holy people)
Saints and people of unusual discipline

"But here is an action every mortal can
perform--surely it is not too difficult!"

When I first read Diet for a New America, I felt it could have the same kind of impact on mainstream American society that Frances Moore Lappe's Diet for a Small Planet had in the '70s.

John Robbins spoke before the United Nations in 1994, where he received a standing ovation.

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What's ONE MORE LIFE more of less?
Posted by: Matamillion on Sep 5, 2009 3:06 PM   
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We have no problem bankrolling over a million human deaths in Iraq to keep our HUM-Vs purring along. And that's HUMAN DEATHS we don't give a flying fuck about just to stay safe & free. I can't imagine we'll waste one breath saving these chicks. They get to live 20 minutes & then be ground into a paste to feed the girls. In some circles that would be preferred human behavior!

As far as I know, our love of life is lip service intended to raise us above others & give us something to insult people with because when it comes down to it, we obviously like our roast chicken too much to give it up for these condemned roosters. The fact that we can't figure out what to do with the little buggers besides making them into tartar just goes to show you the extent of disinterest in life we REALLY harbor.

Some pathetic god fearing christian is condemning these chicks to mechanical death and solely to turn a filthy profit. They will put their own chicks thru college on the money made from this without batting an eye and the second you say anything, you become un-American.

It's just one more atrocity deliberately committed to keep us in the lap of luxury. The fact that we don't yet eat other humans is only a matter of profit and I will bet money there are rich fuckholes in this wide capitalist world eating human flesh just because they can!

We are sooooo walking the line on this giant conveyor belt to death we live. Morality is obviously nothing to us or we'd have stopped it long ago, but really, do WITHOUT roast chicken??????

You know damn well what it takes to feed 6 BILLION people. It's something like this or it ain't. You can't have it both ways, so you'd better decide while you still have a democracy to use against evil what you are going to do about it. Because this is pure banal evil.

If you can't relate to those chicks & their deadly plight then I guess you're a Neocon & will be reached about the same time we figure out child molesters. But if you're a truly compassionate human being with a stake in this over burdened system you will do what it takes and step up to the cruel food processor we depend on & turn it off. Or embrace your inner devil & suck the meat off the bone!

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This Is the Logical Conclusion
Posted by: Jim Shaw on Sep 5, 2009 3:24 PM   
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of a system where money is everything.

It isn't long before the ruthless and greedy apply industrial processes to living beings.

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Put them out of business!
Posted by: tod on Sep 5, 2009 3:36 PM   
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Fucking Corporate PIGS!!! This is disgusting to hear how they treat the birds, how would you like to be ground up just because you were not going to be productive to the profit grubbing corporation. This and all the companies like this need to be put out of business.

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easy decissions
Posted by: richholland on Sep 6, 2009 6:36 AM   
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by not eating tortured factory pigs
nor eating supermarketchicken and telling this to
all your friends and relatives
things soon will change.

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People think I'm anal...
Posted by: Groovy Vegan on Sep 6, 2009 10:20 AM   
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when I go to a restaurant and ask, "does this bread have dairy or eggs in it? Was it brushed with an eggwash? Is the pasta made with eggs?" etc. But as a vegan for over 20 years, I'm trying to avoid participating in horrible cruelty such as documented above.

Most people don't make the connection between the food they buy and eat and the cruelty it supports. I would like to make his better known. I linked a story about the above video on my Facebook page, and one of my Facebook friends accused me of trying "proselytize" veganism. So I'm not supposed to make these cruelties better known?!! I'm going to keep spreading this information, and hopefully more people will vote with their dollars not to support cruelty.

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Michael Moore's stance on animal rights
Posted by: ZPaul on Sep 8, 2009 2:48 AM   
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After watching some of this sickening video, I am reminded of something Michael Moore wrote when criticizing PETA, as progressive as he seems to be on other issues: "Animals don't have rights". While I agreed with him on the futility of freeing immobilized laying hens, this sweeping statement surprised me.
Did anybody else here notice that in his book? (I think it was in "Dude,Where's my Country?")

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I'm a meat eater, I'm a hunter , I'm even an EEEEVIIL gun owner.
Posted by: Treo on Sep 10, 2009 1:58 PM   
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And this aint cool. I fthey're going to kill the males than do it humanely throwing them into a chipper aint gettin' it

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Hmmm, sound's familiar
Posted by: snotnosedkid on Sep 14, 2009 7:50 PM   
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Not that I think killing chicks for cheaper eggs is morally justifiable, however have you ever published a report about all the killing of human babies for cheaper health care?

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