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Milk May Endanger Your Health, and the Dairy Industry Knows It
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A mutant protein has invaded the world's dairy supply, including, most likely, the milk in your fridge.
The protein, called A1 beta-casein, is well known in the scientific community. While most dairy companies, trade groups and government agencies consider it harmless, a growing body of research implicates A1 beta-casein in diabetes, heart disease, autism and schizophrenia.
The original mutation occurred several thousand years ago, causing cow zero and its offspring to produce milk in which the amino acid histidine occupies the 67th position of the beta-casein protein found in milk solids.
The amino acid proline occupies that position in the nonmutant, original form of the A2 protein. Today, the average vessel of milk contains milk from many cows, with a mixture of both A1 and A2 beta-casein.
Keith Woodford, a professor of farm management and agribusiness at Lincoln University in Christchurch, New Zealand, is spreading the word about what he believes to be the dangers of milk containing A1 beta-casein.
His book, Devil in the Milk, builds on more than 100 peer-reviewed studies to present a compelling case that A1 milk poses substantial health risks.
The book is a technical read, and conspiracy theorists will find it gripping, as Woodford details the extent to which corporations and government bodies with entrenched interests in maintaining A1 milk's reputation have disputed, ignored and silenced evidence suggesting there might be a problem.
If Woodford is right, those fighting to sweep this research under the rug are endangering the health of millions, if not billions, and for little in the way of return. He says it would be a simple matter to remove A1 beta-casein from the word's milk supply.
A New Zealand company, A2 Corp., has patented means of testing cattle for the A1 mutation. The company assists dairies in switching their herds to A2 production, which takes about two generations, or 10 years. A2 Corp. also certifies dairies that produce pure A2 milk and helps market it.
While Woodford makes it clear neither he nor his family have any financial interest in A2 Corp., it's clear he hopes the company succeeds.
Countries with the highest levels of A1 in their milk also have the greatest incidence of Type 1 diabetes and heart disease, Woodford explains. This observation inspired a study on rodents, in which one group of rats was fed A1 beta-casein and the other was fed A2. None of the A2 group developed diabetes, while half the A1 group did. Other animal studies implicate A1 in heart disease.
The evidence linking A1 milk to autism and schizophrenia follows similar lines: Correlations in population studies and support from animal studies, but scarce research on human subjects.
Direct research on humans, Woodford explains, is fraught with ethical and practical difficulties:
The subjects of the trial would need to be identified as babies and then put on either A1 or A2 formula milk once breastfeeding ceased. The trials would probably need to go on for many years, and the children prevented from eating any "ordinary" dairy products. The parents of each child would need to give permission and be actively involved, but could not be permitted to know whether their beautiful and initially healthy baby was getting the A1 or A2 formula.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 7, 2009 12:50 AM
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It has however been extensively used in the USA for many years.
Monsanto sold their rBGH (Posilac) business to Elanco, a division of Eli Lilly in August 2008. It would therefore seem highly likely that much of American milk is still produced in this way.
As far as this article is concerned, I thought it was blatant nonsense.
Tony
Extract From
http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbghlink.cfm
# rBGH makes cows sick. Monsanto has been forced to admit to about 20 toxic effects, including mastitis, on its POSILAC label.
# rBGH milk is contaminated by pus, due to the mastitis commonly induced by rBGH, and antibiotics used to treat the mastitis.
# rBGH milk is supercharged with high levels of a natural growth factor (IGF-1), which is readily absorbed through the gut.
# Excess levels of IGF-1 have been incriminated as a cause of breast, colon, and prostate cancers.
# IGF-1 blocks natural defense mechanisms against early submicroscopic cancers.
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Posted by: Blacktiger1 on Sep 7, 2009 1:33 AM
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Posted by: heid on Sep 7, 2009 3:39 AM
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There is a great deal of information indicating that A1 milk is associated with severe chronic disease, but the milk industry doesn't want definitive studies done. They don't need to worry, though, because the so-called RCT trial isn't likely to happen, since no sane parent would willingly take part without knowing which of the two groups his or her child was in. Who would willingly place a child in the A1 group?
The onus should be on those who want to produce A1 milk. They should have to prove the safety of their product - especially when there's a safe alternative. It's known which cows produce A1 milk - later breeds, ones that are more profitable for the industry - as opposed to the husbandry - of milk. The Holstein breed produces A1 milk. (There are probably others, also among the newer breeds.) That is one that massive milk manufacturers use, and it's why A1 milk is prevalent in America. It's also why there's a fight to continue to allow its production.
Holstein cattle were developed later than more pure breeds, and were chosen because of their high productivity. Factory milk producers aren't interested in the health of their product, but only in its profitability.
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Posted by: kristianboose on Sep 7, 2009 5:11 AM
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Posted by: Amy27605 on Sep 7, 2009 6:22 AM
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AND, in order for us to have milk of any kind means removing baby offspring from their mothers, cruelly depriving the offspring of natural development and weaning (and, in the case of cattle, often the further cruelty of being confined and "raised" as veal) and cruelly forcing their bereft mothers to continue providing milk to machines.
Cows' milk is the perfect food for baby calves, period. Goats' milk is the perfect food for baby goats; sheep's milk is the perfect food for baby lambs; and the rest of us should just grow up and wean ourselves off the stuff.
Peace.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 7, 2009 6:36 AM
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Homogenization, as I understand it, makes the fat globules smaller and more absorbable into the system which does us no good.
I would prefer raw milk and products from grass fed cows as it is higher in CLA, Omega-3s and nutritionally superior to the white chalky stuff Big Dairy sells.
The A1 vs. A2 controversy is interesting. I wonder how milk processing affects this protein and if there is any additive effect when A1 is combined with other insults to the body's biochemistry like vaccines...
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Posted by: lsmart on Sep 7, 2009 6:50 AM
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No doubt lobbying Congress for more money to do little to keep our food supply safe, while Monsanto lobbies Congress for favors so they can keep on adding more chemicals to the food supply.
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Posted by: tulugaq on Sep 7, 2009 7:51 AM
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Posted by: WyrdSister on Sep 7, 2009 8:41 AM
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personally, i try not to let this kind of information affect me too much. i have an eating disorder and if i reacted to this kind if information everytime it read about it i would stop eating altogether...well...ive done that went to treatment for a year for it.
you have to take all this with a grain of salt.
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Posted by: MariusMatthews on Sep 7, 2009 8:49 AM
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Posted by: Gravitas on Sep 7, 2009 8:55 AM
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All I know is that since I started drinking organic milk again because I have a few stores within walking distance, my fingernails have taken off. Which means my bones and teeth are probably benefiting as well. Heart disease I do not fear. Heart attack is my first choice in exiting, it fits my personally to a T. No prolonged suffering, but warning enough to alert my soul of the transition. Autism I am not worried about at my age. Everything is pegged as causing diabetes, and if my large hips protect me, Pharma will just lower the blood sugar numbers again to make sure I have it. Schizophrenia? I thought the government causes that!!!
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Sep 7, 2009 9:16 AM
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I'll take an increased risk of heart disease and diabetes to that anyday. Considering I run 4 or 5 times a week, I don't think my risk is all that high for either disease.
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Posted by: dkm on Sep 7, 2009 10:07 AM
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Second, when people who know what they are doing investigate they find no difference in effects. Brit J Nut Jan 2006 reports that what the country comparison was actually finding was that northern countries with less Vit D from decreased sun exposure were finding increased diabetes. Lack of Vit D is an established risk factor for type I diabetes.
Another study found that the initial analysis had not been done correctly and when the analysis was redone and more countries were added, there was no difference Eur J of Clin Nutr author AS Truswell
A British study where 25 grams (the equivalent of more than a liter of milk per day) of either A1 or A2 were given daily to people at risk of CHD (coronary heart disease) for 12 weeks that there was no difference in serum cholesterol, insulin levels homocysteine c-reactive protein, fibrinogen, proteins C and S, von Willebrand factor, endothelial cell function, blood pressure, and arterial wall stiffness.
Another study reported in Atheroscelerosis Sep 2006 used 55 people who were given first either A1 or A2 and after 4 1/2 weeks were switched to the other. There was no difference of total cholesterol, LDL or HDL.
The reports of metabolic products being found at higher levels in autistic and schizophrenic patients indicates that they are producing it themselves and not getting it from milk. Otherwise their symptoms would go away if they went off milk assuming that milk was causing the problem. You don't pass metabolic degradation products of something you ingested years ago. They're passed in the next couple days after digestion.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Sep 7, 2009 10:24 AM
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So here we have the dairy industry which could change it's herds over to what may be a safer type of dairy cow and they don't see the merit in it. From what I understand these types of cows do not last very long because they are used up rather quickly because the are constantly forced to produce milk and that when their production begins to falter they are slaughtered.
So rather than take a prudent health approach they would rather take a roll of the dice after all it's our health that may be at risk and not theirs.
I am at the point where whether you drink milk or not this industry apparently cares little for their customers just like tobacco. I guess they need to get in line with all the rest of the corporations which could care less as long as the dollars still flow to them.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 7, 2009 10:58 AM
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To mass produce cow's milk on a large scale via factory farming, cows have to be kept continually pregnant, giving birth, and lactating. The cows are genetically bred to produce excess cow's milk for humans. Male cows (bulls) are useless to the dairy industry, so they become veal. By supporting the dairy industry, one indirectly supports cow killing.
One of the first books I read on the subject of vegetarianism while in college was A Vegetarian Sourcebook by Keith Akers (1983). Describing the environmental damage caused by raising animals for food: topsoil erosion, deforestization, loss of groundwater, etc. as well as the economic inefficiency and waste of energy and resources in raising animals for food in an age of exploding human population growth, Keith Akers foreshadowed John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987), which was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.
In A Vegetarian Sourcebook, Keith Akers writes:
"Using grasslands for livestock agriculture creates great environmental problems, which greatly limit its usefulness. Grazing systems require ten times more land than feedlot agriculture, in which animals are simply given feed grown on cropland. Grazing systems have to be extensive in order to avoid the catastrophic consequences of overgrazing--which renders a piece of land unsuitable for any purpose.
"Overgrazing and the consequent soil erosion are extremely serious problems worldwide. By the most conservative estimates, 60% of all U.S. rangelands are overgrazed, with billions of tons of soil lost each year. Overgrazing has also been the greatest cause of man-made deserts.
"Even if we grant grazing a role in a resource-efficient, ecologically stable agriculture, milk should be the end result, not beef. Milk provides over 50% of the protein and nearly four times the calories of beef, per unit of forage resources from grazing.
"'When only forage is available, then egg, broiler and pork production are eliminated and only milk, beef, and lamb production are viable systems,' state David and Marcia Pimentel, scientists and authors of Food, Energy and Society. 'Of these three, milk production is the most efficient.'
"An ecologically stable, resource-efficient system of grazing animals for human food could not be anything faintly resembling today's livestock agriculture. It would be a smaller, decentralized, less intensive system of animal husbandry devoted to milk production."
So it may be possible to have animal agriculture (devoted solely to milk production) on a small scale--like the Amish. But the rest of humanity, with an exploding population in the billions, will have to be vegan.
According to the editors of World Watch, July/August 2004: "The human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future--deforestization, topsoil erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities and the spread of disease."
Brother David Steindl-Rast, a Benedictine monk, similarly says: "...the survival of our planet depends on our sense of belonging--to all other humans, to dolphins caught in dragnets to pigs and chickens and calves raised in animal concentration camps, to redwoods and rainforests, to kelp beds in our oceans, and to the ozone layer."
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 7, 2009 11:04 AM
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Milk must be a really slow poison, because both my grandparents lived into their nineties and were healthy up to the end. My dad passed away at 92 and was actively farming the day he died. I drink all the milk and use dairy products as much as I want. Pushing sixty and it hasn't affected me yet.
Another ridiculous alarmist article from the "food cult" at Alternet.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 7, 2009 11:10 AM
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Thus, you might as well have penned an expose re: the effects of being 'from Iceland'.
Or, correlation does not equal causation:
As the average number of pirates in the world decreased, the average temperature increased*. Thus, an abundance of Pirates cooled the Globe! Yay!
*borrowed from the Gospel According To the FSM
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Posted by: dobbie606 on Sep 7, 2009 11:12 AM
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- for scientific docs on the dangers of dairy consumption, please go to:
www.notmilk.com
-watch John McDougall, MD's'Marketing Milk and Disease' -google video 43:16
http://tinyurl.com/kjozpt
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Posted by: P.E.A.C.E. on Sep 7, 2009 11:15 AM
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The real question is, how can people continue to accept the prohibition of Cannabis when there are so many reasons to be growing it and time is running out? How bad do things have to get before all solutions are considered?
Hemp seed milk is the healthiest drink on Earth, and tastes great. There does not have to be malnutrition anywhere. Hemp seed has no growth hormones, no mutant A1 genes, doesn't require pasteurization, and contains natural preservatives in the form of antioxidants. Every one could be growing hemp seed, fresh, alive and fertile. We could all be making seed milk, ice cream, yogurt, and cheese at home if we wanted to. It's easy to grow and it's easy to eat.
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Sep 7, 2009 1:54 PM
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High Dairy Diet Accelerates Weight Loss and Loss of Fat
So to those saying only calves should drink cow's milk, you need to read more scientific studies and research.
Dairy is very beneficial for humans.
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Posted by: willymack on Sep 7, 2009 9:04 PM
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Does this mean my ears might fall off any day, or that my face will become grotesquely deformed?
I'm in agreement with Wierd Al Yankovich, who sang;
"I love Rocky Road
Go to the store and
Get a half gallon".
"And if I get fat and lose my teeth that's fine with me."
Besides, I'm almost 70, anyway.
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Posted by: dkm on Sep 7, 2009 11:52 PM
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The fact that humans have been milking cows since before recorded history means that by now we have largely adapted. Those who are repulsed need to think about the roots coming out of the ground that they eat, the cherries and strawberries with bird doo all over them, the leafy vegetables with caterpillar droppings all over them not to mention the insect eggs and dead insects that are incorporated with them. After all, vegetables are responsible for more cases of food poisoning than meat products are according to the CDC records of chasing down food poisoning outbreaks.
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Posted by: Eat Politicians on Sep 7, 2009 11:57 PM
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Posted by: VTy on Sep 8, 2009 5:51 PM
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www.notmilk.com
No one Needs MIlk!
Its mere marketing for those easy manipulated ones
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Posted by: Tachyon on Sep 8, 2009 6:10 PM
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This might explain why half of the U.S. population believe in grandiose paranoid delusional fantasies.
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However, from a New Zealand friend (she's a medical doctor & nutritionist), I heard that the chief problem of this casein protein was with Friesian cattle, which are popular with milk producers for efficiency of production reasons. That the (competing) alternative, in NZ was Jersey cattle, which produced a superior milk, but at only ~ 10% of the production figures for Friesian.
That the NZ goverment sued a farmer who alluded to these issues in his promotion of his business.
From Wiki: "The Holstein (US and Canada) or Friesian (UK, Australia, Europe) is a breed of dairy cow known today as the world's highest production dairy animal. Originating in Europe, Holsteins were developed in what is now the Netherlands and more specifically in the two northern provinces of North Holland and Friesland (not from Holstein, Germany[citation needed]). The original animals were the regional cattle of the Batavians and Frisians, two tribes who settled in the coastal Rhine region around 2,000 years ago.
The Dutch breeders bred and oversaw the development of the breed with the aim of obtaining animals which would make best use of grass, the area's most abundant resource. The result, over the centuries, was an efficient, high-producing black-and-white dairy cow. It is black and white due to artificial selection by the breeders.
With the growth of the new world, markets began to develop for milk in America, and dairy breeders turned to The Netherlands for their livestock. After about 8,800 Holsteins had been imported, disease problems in Europe led to the cessation of imports.[1]
In Europe, the breed is used for milk in the North, meat in the South - Since 1945, European development has led to cattle production becoming increasingly regionalized. Over 60% of the cattle herd and under 50% of the usable agricultural area, but over 80% of dairy production, is to be found to the north of a line joining Bordeaux and Venice. This change led to the need for specialized animals for dairy (and beef) production. Until this time, milk and beef had been produced from dual-purpose animals, and the leading breeds, national derivatives of the Dutch Friesian, had become very different animals from their American counterparts. It was the obvious choice to import superior production animals to cross with the European black and whites. For this reason, in modern usage of the word Holstein is used to describe North American stock and its use in Europe. Friesian, denotes animals of a traditional European ancestry. Crosses between the two are described by the term Holstein-Friesian."
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I'm also happily surprised by the general thoughtfulness and civil discourse, on this comments thread.
So far, not a wing-nut conspiracy theorist to be found. :)
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The onus should be on those who want to produce A1 milk. They should have to prove the safety of their product - especially when there's a safe alternative. It's known which cows produce A1 milk - later breeds, ones that are more profitable for the industry - as opposed to the husbandry - of milk. The Holstein breed produces A1 milk. (There are probably others, also among the newer breeds.) That is one that massive milk manufacturers use, and it's why A1 иркутский авиазавод the big bang theory субтитры heroes субтитры seropol5 milk is prevalent in America. It's also why there's a fight to continue to allow its production.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Sep 7, 2009 12:50 AM
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It has however been extensively used in the USA for many years.
Monsanto sold their rBGH (Posilac) business to Elanco, a division of Eli Lilly in August 2008. It would therefore seem highly likely that much of American milk is still produced in this way.
As far as this article is concerned, I thought it was blatant nonsense.
Tony
Extract From
http://www.organicconsumers.org/rbghlink.cfm
# rBGH makes cows sick. Monsanto has been forced to admit to about 20 toxic effects, including mastitis, on its POSILAC label.
# rBGH milk is contaminated by pus, due to the mastitis commonly induced by rBGH, and antibiotics used to treat the mastitis.
# rBGH milk is supercharged with high levels of a natural growth factor (IGF-1), which is readily absorbed through the gut.
# Excess levels of IGF-1 have been incriminated as a cause of breast, colon, and prostate cancers.
# IGF-1 blocks natural defense mechanisms against early submicroscopic cancers.
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There is a great deal of information indicating that A1 milk is associated with severe chronic disease, but the milk industry doesn't want definitive studies done. They don't need to worry, though, because the so-called RCT trial isn't likely to happen, since no sane parent would willingly take part without knowing which of the two groups his or her child was in. Who would willingly place a child in the A1 group?
The onus should be on those who want to produce A1 milk. They should have to prove the safety of their product - especially when there's a safe alternative. It's known which cows produce A1 milk - later breeds, ones that are more profitable for the industry - as opposed to the husbandry - of milk. The Holstein breed produces A1 milk. (There are probably others, also among the newer breeds.) That is one that massive milk manufacturers use, and it's why A1 milk is prevalent in America. It's also why there's a fight to continue to allow its production.
Holstein cattle were developed later than more pure breeds, and were chosen because of their high productivity. Factory milk producers aren't interested in the health of their product, but only in its profitability.
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Posted by: Amy27605 on Sep 7, 2009 6:22 AM
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AND, in order for us to have milk of any kind means removing baby offspring from their mothers, cruelly depriving the offspring of natural development and weaning (and, in the case of cattle, often the further cruelty of being confined and "raised" as veal) and cruelly forcing their bereft mothers to continue providing milk to machines.
Cows' milk is the perfect food for baby calves, period. Goats' milk is the perfect food for baby goats; sheep's milk is the perfect food for baby lambs; and the rest of us should just grow up and wean ourselves off the stuff.
Peace.
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 7, 2009 6:36 AM
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Homogenization, as I understand it, makes the fat globules smaller and more absorbable into the system which does us no good.
I would prefer raw milk and products from grass fed cows as it is higher in CLA, Omega-3s and nutritionally superior to the white chalky stuff Big Dairy sells.
The A1 vs. A2 controversy is interesting. I wonder how milk processing affects this protein and if there is any additive effect when A1 is combined with other insults to the body's biochemistry like vaccines...
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Posted by: lsmart on Sep 7, 2009 6:50 AM
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No doubt lobbying Congress for more money to do little to keep our food supply safe, while Monsanto lobbies Congress for favors so they can keep on adding more chemicals to the food supply.
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Posted by: WyrdSister on Sep 7, 2009 8:41 AM
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personally, i try not to let this kind of information affect me too much. i have an eating disorder and if i reacted to this kind if information everytime it read about it i would stop eating altogether...well...ive done that went to treatment for a year for it.
you have to take all this with a grain of salt.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Sep 7, 2009 8:55 AM
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All I know is that since I started drinking organic milk again because I have a few stores within walking distance, my fingernails have taken off. Which means my bones and teeth are probably benefiting as well. Heart disease I do not fear. Heart attack is my first choice in exiting, it fits my personally to a T. No prolonged suffering, but warning enough to alert my soul of the transition. Autism I am not worried about at my age. Everything is pegged as causing diabetes, and if my large hips protect me, Pharma will just lower the blood sugar numbers again to make sure I have it. Schizophrenia? I thought the government causes that!!!
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Posted by: Ayla87 on Sep 7, 2009 9:16 AM
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I'll take an increased risk of heart disease and diabetes to that anyday. Considering I run 4 or 5 times a week, I don't think my risk is all that high for either disease.
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Posted by: dkm on Sep 7, 2009 10:07 AM
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Second, when people who know what they are doing investigate they find no difference in effects. Brit J Nut Jan 2006 reports that what the country comparison was actually finding was that northern countries with less Vit D from decreased sun exposure were finding increased diabetes. Lack of Vit D is an established risk factor for type I diabetes.
Another study found that the initial analysis had not been done correctly and when the analysis was redone and more countries were added, there was no difference Eur J of Clin Nutr author AS Truswell
A British study where 25 grams (the equivalent of more than a liter of milk per day) of either A1 or A2 were given daily to people at risk of CHD (coronary heart disease) for 12 weeks that there was no difference in serum cholesterol, insulin levels homocysteine c-reactive protein, fibrinogen, proteins C and S, von Willebrand factor, endothelial cell function, blood pressure, and arterial wall stiffness.
Another study reported in Atheroscelerosis Sep 2006 used 55 people who were given first either A1 or A2 and after 4 1/2 weeks were switched to the other. There was no difference of total cholesterol, LDL or HDL.
The reports of metabolic products being found at higher levels in autistic and schizophrenic patients indicates that they are producing it themselves and not getting it from milk. Otherwise their symptoms would go away if they went off milk assuming that milk was causing the problem. You don't pass metabolic degradation products of something you ingested years ago. They're passed in the next couple days after digestion.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Sep 7, 2009 10:24 AM
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So here we have the dairy industry which could change it's herds over to what may be a safer type of dairy cow and they don't see the merit in it. From what I understand these types of cows do not last very long because they are used up rather quickly because the are constantly forced to produce milk and that when their production begins to falter they are slaughtered.
So rather than take a prudent health approach they would rather take a roll of the dice after all it's our health that may be at risk and not theirs.
I am at the point where whether you drink milk or not this industry apparently cares little for their customers just like tobacco. I guess they need to get in line with all the rest of the corporations which could care less as long as the dollars still flow to them.
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Posted by: vasumurti on Sep 7, 2009 10:58 AM
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To mass produce cow's milk on a large scale via factory farming, cows have to be kept continually pregnant, giving birth, and lactating. The cows are genetically bred to produce excess cow's milk for humans. Male cows (bulls) are useless to the dairy industry, so they become veal. By supporting the dairy industry, one indirectly supports cow killing.
One of the first books I read on the subject of vegetarianism while in college was A Vegetarian Sourcebook by Keith Akers (1983). Describing the environmental damage caused by raising animals for food: topsoil erosion, deforestization, loss of groundwater, etc. as well as the economic inefficiency and waste of energy and resources in raising animals for food in an age of exploding human population growth, Keith Akers foreshadowed John Robbins' Diet for a New America (1987), which was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.
In A Vegetarian Sourcebook, Keith Akers writes:
"Using grasslands for livestock agriculture creates great environmental problems, which greatly limit its usefulness. Grazing systems require ten times more land than feedlot agriculture, in which animals are simply given feed grown on cropland. Grazing systems have to be extensive in order to avoid the catastrophic consequences of overgrazing--which renders a piece of land unsuitable for any purpose.
"Overgrazing and the consequent soil erosion are extremely serious problems worldwide. By the most conservative estimates, 60% of all U.S. rangelands are overgrazed, with billions of tons of soil lost each year. Overgrazing has also been the greatest cause of man-made deserts.
"Even if we grant grazing a role in a resource-efficient, ecologically stable agriculture, milk should be the end result, not beef. Milk provides over 50% of the protein and nearly four times the calories of beef, per unit of forage resources from grazing.
"'When only forage is available, then egg, broiler and pork production are eliminated and only milk, beef, and lamb production are viable systems,' state David and Marcia Pimentel, scientists and authors of Food, Energy and Society. 'Of these three, milk production is the most efficient.'
"An ecologically stable, resource-efficient system of grazing animals for human food could not be anything faintly resembling today's livestock agriculture. It would be a smaller, decentralized, less intensive system of animal husbandry devoted to milk production."
So it may be possible to have animal agriculture (devoted solely to milk production) on a small scale--like the Amish. But the rest of humanity, with an exploding population in the billions, will have to be vegan.
According to the editors of World Watch, July/August 2004: "The human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future--deforestization, topsoil erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities and the spread of disease."
Brother David Steindl-Rast, a Benedictine monk, similarly says: "...the survival of our planet depends on our sense of belonging--to all other humans, to dolphins caught in dragnets to pigs and chickens and calves raised in animal concentration camps, to redwoods and rainforests, to kelp beds in our oceans, and to the ozone layer."
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Posted by: zooeyhall on Sep 7, 2009 11:04 AM
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Milk must be a really slow poison, because both my grandparents lived into their nineties and were healthy up to the end. My dad passed away at 92 and was actively farming the day he died. I drink all the milk and use dairy products as much as I want. Pushing sixty and it hasn't affected me yet.
Another ridiculous alarmist article from the "food cult" at Alternet.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 7, 2009 11:10 AM
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Thus, you might as well have penned an expose re: the effects of being 'from Iceland'.
Or, correlation does not equal causation:
As the average number of pirates in the world decreased, the average temperature increased*. Thus, an abundance of Pirates cooled the Globe! Yay!
*borrowed from the Gospel According To the FSM
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- for scientific docs on the dangers of dairy consumption, please go to:
www.notmilk.com
-watch John McDougall, MD's'Marketing Milk and Disease' -google video 43:16
http://tinyurl.com/kjozpt
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Posted by: P.E.A.C.E. on Sep 7, 2009 11:15 AM
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If you're not yet aware of the nutritional benefits of Cannabis hemp seed, then look into it to realize that hemp is nutritionally unique and essential. The only common seed with three essential fatty acids, Cannabis is also the best available source of organic vegetable protein on Earth.
Harms induced by the counter-productive prohibition of 'marijuana' have included outlawing research into the many benefits of Cannabis agriculture, therapeutics, manufacture and trade. Cannabis is the only crop that produces biofuels, herbal remedies and complete nutrition from the same harvest.
Why isn't the government telling you this, instead of just some hemp fanatic blogging into the wind? Because "they" are not on our team. Look at the warmongering, radical economic disparity and racism that continue to define contemporary American politics. Despite endless rhetoric propping up people's naive hopes with empty optimism, "drug war" inertia is carrying us further into endless wars leading to global extinction.
God Forgive America for the synergistic collapse of environment, economics, and social structures that U.S. prohibition is orchestrating all over the world. Wonder why people are mad the US? Look at the misery we've imposed on the world by legislating essential resource scarcity. Consider the fundamental chain of conflicts and imbalances resulting from banning the world's most useful, potentially abundant, globally distributed, safely therapeutic, essentially nutritious, environmentally beneficial agricultural resource.
The real question is, how can people continue to accept the prohibition of Cannabis when there are so many reasons to be growing it and time is running out? How bad do things have to get before all solutions are considered?
Hemp seed milk is the healthiest drink on Earth, and tastes great. There does not have to be malnutrition anywhere. Hemp seed has no growth hormones, no mutant A1 genes, doesn't require pasteurization, and contains natural preservatives in the form of antioxidants. Every one could be growing hemp seed, fresh, alive and fertile. We could all be making seed milk, ice cream, yogurt, and cheese at home if we wanted to. It's easy to grow and it's easy to eat.
The food industry is a $643,467,000,000 industry in the United States. If you see the enormous potential of this information, then contact me directly to give real value to your wealth. It's past time to be timid about our common future. We need to shift the economic base from soulless chemicals to spiritually vital organics.
"Essential civilian demand" (E.O. 12919) for industrial/nutritional hemp is entirely justified, considering the extreme conditions that threaten our species. We have nothing to fear but the atmosphere itself.
Search You Tube and BlogTalkRadio for projectpeace. Answers are presented there, when people are ready to accept the truth about Cannabis. The longer we wait the harder the transition will be and the less likely we will be to make it.
There is no money on a burned out planet. Invest in hemp, of unique and essential values. Hemp is the currency of the 21st Century. Anyone who doesn't have fresh fertile hemp seed when the music stops will be poor.
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High Dairy Diet Accelerates Weight Loss and Loss of Fat
So to those saying only calves should drink cow's milk, you need to read more scientific studies and research.
Dairy is very beneficial for humans.
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Posted by: willymack on Sep 7, 2009 9:04 PM
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Does this mean my ears might fall off any day, or that my face will become grotesquely deformed?
I'm in agreement with Wierd Al Yankovich, who sang;
"I love Rocky Road
Go to the store and
Get a half gallon".
"And if I get fat and lose my teeth that's fine with me."
Besides, I'm almost 70, anyway.
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The fact that humans have been milking cows since before recorded history means that by now we have largely adapted. Those who are repulsed need to think about the roots coming out of the ground that they eat, the cherries and strawberries with bird doo all over them, the leafy vegetables with caterpillar droppings all over them not to mention the insect eggs and dead insects that are incorporated with them. After all, vegetables are responsible for more cases of food poisoning than meat products are according to the CDC records of chasing down food poisoning outbreaks.
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www.notmilk.com
No one Needs MIlk!
Its mere marketing for those easy manipulated ones
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This might explain why half of the U.S. population believe in grandiose paranoid delusional fantasies.
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However, from a New Zealand friend (she's a medical doctor & nutritionist), I heard that the chief problem of this casein protein was with Friesian cattle, which are popular with milk producers for efficiency of production reasons. That the (competing) alternative, in NZ was Jersey cattle, which produced a superior milk, but at only ~ 10% of the production figures for Friesian.
That the NZ goverment sued a farmer who alluded to these issues in his promotion of his business.
From Wiki: "The Holstein (US and Canada) or Friesian (UK, Australia, Europe) is a breed of dairy cow known today as the world's highest production dairy animal. Originating in Europe, Holsteins were developed in what is now the Netherlands and more specifically in the two northern provinces of North Holland and Friesland (not from Holstein, Germany[citation needed]). The original animals were the regional cattle of the Batavians and Frisians, two tribes who settled in the coastal Rhine region around 2,000 years ago.
The Dutch breeders bred and oversaw the development of the breed with the aim of obtaining animals which would make best use of grass, the area's most abundant resource. The result, over the centuries, was an efficient, high-producing black-and-white dairy cow. It is black and white due to artificial selection by the breeders.
With the growth of the new world, markets began to develop for milk in America, and dairy breeders turned to The Netherlands for their livestock. After about 8,800 Holsteins had been imported, disease problems in Europe led to the cessation of imports.[1]
In Europe, the breed is used for milk in the North, meat in the South - Since 1945, European development has led to cattle production becoming increasingly regionalized. Over 60% of the cattle herd and under 50% of the usable agricultural area, but over 80% of dairy production, is to be found to the north of a line joining Bordeaux and Venice. This change led to the need for specialized animals for dairy (and beef) production. Until this time, milk and beef had been produced from dual-purpose animals, and the leading breeds, national derivatives of the Dutch Friesian, had become very different animals from their American counterparts. It was the obvious choice to import superior production animals to cross with the European black and whites. For this reason, in modern usage of the word Holstein is used to describe North American stock and its use in Europe. Friesian, denotes animals of a traditional European ancestry. Crosses between the two are described by the term Holstein-Friesian."
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I'm also happily surprised by the general thoughtfulness and civil discourse, on this comments thread.
So far, not a wing-nut conspiracy theorist to be found. :)
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The onus should be on those who want to produce A1 milk. They should have to prove the safety of their product - especially when there's a safe alternative. It's known which cows produce A1 milk - later breeds, ones that are more profitable for the industry - as opposed to the husbandry - of milk. The Holstein breed produces A1 milk. (There are probably others, also among the newer breeds.) That is one that massive milk manufacturers use, and it's why A1 иркутский авиазавод the big bang theory субтитры heroes субтитры seropol5 milk is prevalent in America. It's also why there's a fight to continue to allow its production.
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