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Glenn Beck's Crazy Lies About Van Jones

Glenn Beck spent last week smearing Van Jones with misinformation and outright lies. Here's setting the record straight.
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After smearing White House special advisor Van Jones for days on his show, Glenn Beck said on August 27, 2009: "I want to point out the silence; no one has challenged these facts -- they just attack me personally."

Well, the White House is wise to stay above the fray but someone has to set the record straight. And as the person who first hired Van Jones, initially as a legal intern and later as a legal fellow, I am in a unique position to know the truth.

And the truth is: Beck is fabricating his facts.

For instance: several times on his show, Beck has said or implied that Van went to prison for taking part in the Rodney King riots.

No Criminal Convictions

Van has never served time in any prison. He has never been convicted of any crime. And just to be clear: Van was not even in Los Angeles during those tumultuous days.

I know because he was working for me -- in San Francisco -- when the four Los Angeles police officers were acquitted in the beating of Rodney King. I was the Executive Director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights of the San Francisco Bay Area when Van was an intern.

The verdicts came down on April 29, 1992. I remember Van (who was then a legal intern working with me from Yale Law School) coming into my office in San Francisco. Many of us, including Van, sat there together, listening to the news and weeping. We were all in a state of shock. That night, TV showed the tragic images of LA burning.

The next day, when an initially peaceful march in downtown San Francisco devolved into chaos, Van left the area in tears. He was not involved in any destructive activity. He even penned an essay despairing of the violence and the state of the country.

So how can Beck make such unsubstantiated claims?

The True Story (From Someone Who Was There)

This is what really happened. On May 8, 1992, the week AFTER the Rodney King disturbances, I sent a staff attorney and Van out to be legal monitors at a peaceful march in San Francisco. The local police, perhaps understandably nervous, stopped the march and arrested hundreds of people -- including all the legal monitors.

The matter was quickly sorted out; Van and my staff attorney were released within a few hours. All charges against them were dropped. Van was part of a successful class action lawsuit later; the City of San Francisco ultimately compensated him financially for his unjust arrest (a rare outcome).

So the unwarranted arrest at a peaceful march -- for which the charges were dropped and for which Van was financially compensated -- is the sole basis for the smear that he is some kind of dangerous criminal.

Van has spoken often about that difficult period 17 years ago -- and its impact on him, as a young law student. But to imply that he was somehow a rioter who went to prison is absurd. Beck also bizarrely claims that Van was arrested in the Seattle WTO protests. That is just a flat-out falsehood.

You don't have to take my word for it. Arrests and convictions are all a matter of public record. Beck is at best relying on Internet rumors or even inventing claims to boost his ratings.

Beck is no more accurate with present facts than he is with past ones.

Not a Mysterious 'Czar"

Beck has said repeatedly that Van is some kind of a mysterious "czar," accountable to no one but the President. A simple Internet search shows that this claim is false. A March 10, 2009, press release announced that Van was hired by the Chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality - to work on her staff as a "special advisor."

In other words, Van is within the normal White House chain of command, reporting to an office confirmed by the United States Senate, just like most White House staffers. Media outlets sometimes use the "czar" shorthand. But the facts show that Van has no mysterious role or extra-constitutional powers.

Beck has implied on two occasions that Van Jones and other Obama appointees were not vetted by the FBI. False. I was interviewed in my own office by an FBI agent, dutifully vetting Van. Yet another fabrication on the part of Mr. Beck.

Beck also claims that Van has somehow gained control over $500 million in Green Jobs Act funding and can hand out millions of dollars at his whim. Again, that is patently ridiculous.

No Authority to Hand out Billions

The law is clear that the Department of Labor has authority over the program, with normal rules governing the funds. Anybody who thinks that a lone government official can pass out money, arbitrarily and without oversight, knows nothing about our legal system. A blizzard of lawsuits would stop any such scheme in its tracks, if one were ever put in place.

Perhaps more importantly: final authority at the Department of Labor lies with the Secretary of Labor. Anyone who thinks that a Senate-confirmed, Cabinet-level Secretary would cede control of a $500 million program to some mid-level White House staffer knows nothing about our political system. It is ridiculous.

Promoting Business-Based Solutions

But I have to take on the worst one: Beck repeatedly and mistakenly asserts that Van is presently a communist.

Once again, this charge is easily refuted - most obviously by the pro-business, market-based ideas Van has promoted for years, including in his best-selling book, The Green Collar Economy. Van's book is a veritable song of praise to capitalism, especially the socially responsible and eco-friendly kind.

Yes, for a while, Van and his student-aged friends ran around spouting 1960s rhetoric and romanticizing revolutionary icons. But that was years ago. Way back then, I counseled him to rethink his tactics and to work for change in wiser ways.

In time, he jettisoned his youthful notions and moved on to seek more effective and attainable solutions.

Fortunately for all of us, it looks like he has found some. Over the past several years, Van has emerged as the perhaps the nation's chief proponent of using business-based solutions to create jobs and clean up the environment. In his book and his speeches, he highlights the key role of entrepreneurship in solving our nation's problems.

The 'Green' Jack Kemp?

Van believes in government clearing the way for private-sector innovation. In a YouTube clip, he said recently that progressives and conservatives should work together to find common ground and create a clean energy economy.

Van said: "We are not promoting welfare. We are promoting work. ... We are not expanding entitlements. We are expanding enterprise and investment. ... We are not trying to redistribute existing wealth. We are trying to reinvent an existing sector, so that we can create NEW wealth - by unleashing innovation and entrepreneurship. This should be common ground."

He has been preaching that gospel, in various forms, for years and years. Van Jones is the nation's "Green" Jack Kemp -- using business-based solutions to attack poverty.

I found it interesting that Bill O'Reilly in his interview repeatedly asked Glenn Beck whether Van Jones' youthful views had changed over time. Beck never answers those inquiries and instead keeps insisting that Van has championed these ideas recently. Again, that is simply not true.

Quotes Taken Out of Context

Upon investigation, it turns out that Beck is quoting (out of context) an article that in fact makes the OPPOSITE point.

The 2005 profile that Beck is flogging actually makes it crystal clear -- even in the headline -- that Jones has "renounced" his earlier views, matured and moved on. Van's transformation is the entire point of the piece, and it is impossible that Beck does not know this.

Fortunately, O'Reilly seemed to sense the truth. I remember seeing O'Reilly interview Van Jones some time ago and was struck by how much respect O'Reilly showed for Jones. Perhaps O'Reilly's knowing queries were prompted by that encounter.

When Van worked for me, he did exhibit that "know it all" quality that so many of us - myself included -- have when we are young. Over the years, I have enjoyed watching him grow and blossom into a loving father and husband -- and a creative, effective leader.

Van Jones: A True Patriot

Mr. Beck's unfounded attacks are misleading and false. All of us who know Van are so very proud of him and the work he is doing to improve the lives of ALL Americans. He has touched and improved thousands of lives in the course of his career. Now he is in a position to help millions.

He will do well because Van is a true patriot, who loves his country. He has dedicated his life to trying to make it better -- especially trying to uplift the poor, the left-out and the left-behind.

In his book, Van draws a distinction between "cheap patriotism" and "deep patriotism." I highly recommend that chapter to Mr. Beck.

I do hope Van is keeping his head up, walking tall and continuing to fight for green businesses and green jobs. Our country needs more of them - and more people like Van.

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Calculus
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Aug 31, 2009 12:14 AM   
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When you waste your time listening to lunatics, the lunatics win.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Eventually & Hopefully Glen Beck Will Be Charged..
Posted by: Razional Thinker on Aug 31, 2009 2:32 AM   
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with "Trying to Incite A Riot".....(is that a chargeable offense anyone?).

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Bexk is a Fool
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 31, 2009 3:08 AM   
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We should not pay attention this this tool:

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=kennedy

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In Defense: Jones is a Greenwashing Fraud?
Posted by: notabilia on Aug 31, 2009 4:28 AM   
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This puerile defense comes down to: Van Jones is actually Glenn Beck's best buddy. They both believe in "business-based" solutions, greenwashing the corporations who are the architects of our ecological doom.

Thanks, Van Jones, for selling out.

The only "business-based solution" is to begin, to begin, to regulate the hell out of polluting, marauding corporations. And to regulate the hell out of the bureaucrats, academicans, and aspiring "community organizers" who have become so corrupt in furtherance of the corporate supersystem.

Look for Obama to have Beck and Jones in for another beer summit.

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Secessionists Love Glenn Beck
Posted by: lalala on Aug 31, 2009 6:23 AM   
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I was at a health care rally where health care supporters outnumbered opponents 20 to one. The opponents were actually part of a secessionist group here in Texas. One woman came up to me and in a very Jesus loves you tone said that Van Jones is a communist. I asked her what her problem is with renewable energy and if she thinks the sun is a communist. These people are demented.

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Radio Interview - David Neiwert - How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Aug 31, 2009 6:49 AM   
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I watched this yesterday, at 28 minutes it is well worthwhile,

Interview - David Neiwert - How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right

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Yes, we need more people like Van Horn, and fewer like this author
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 31, 2009 7:19 AM   
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It sounds like Van Horn was a righteous dude until the author persuaded him to sell out. Once he fought the system; now he is a part of the Obama Administration and therefore a part of the problem. What a shame it is that such a promising revolutionary was afflicted with such a promising political career. Now he's just another crook.

"Anybody who thinks that a lone government official can pass out money, arbitrarily and without oversight, knows nothing about our legal system. A blizzard of lawsuits would stop any such scheme in its tracks, if one were ever put in place."

Anybody who thinks such things can never take place has been living under a rock for the last decade. Tell me, what are Summers and Geithner accused of in the public forum but not in any lawsuit? Remember the disappearing pallets of currency? Ten-figure no-bid contracts? If you want to live in a dream world, fine. Just don't send us any more postcards like this article. We have enough liars to deal with.

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Tom
Posted by: tsmeisen on Aug 31, 2009 7:43 AM   
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I am from California and I would like to suggest that Van Jones run for Governor. The Democrats have no acceptable candidate and a young, charismatic, intelligent, progressive,
green person of color would be hard to beat in this state. And, he would be a GREAT governor!

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Reinstall the Fairness Doctrine
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Aug 31, 2009 9:28 AM   
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Back in 1949, there used to be a law called the fairness doctrine that stated that both sides in a controversial issue are to be portrayed even handledly and fairly. However, in 1987 the FCC(Federal Communications Committee), under than chairman Mark S. Fowler, Reagan crony who worked on Ronald Reagans campaign back in 1976-1980, on the grounds that the Doctrine hurt free speech, even though that is probably a lie and Fowler probably did it to help the conservative movement( during the fairness doctrine, right wing talk radio was non-existant,compare to today, were it seems like 90% of radio is right-wing lunatics). In fact,conservative talk show host fear the Fairness Doctrine, because they know that if it were ever gonna be revived, right-wing talk radio will be exterminated like the parasite it is. In fact, in Charles P. Pierce's Idiot America, in the chapter on modern talk radio, Pierce talks about how the right-wing talk radio exploded overnight when the Fairness Doctrine was repealed. Many conservatives like Glen Beck and Limbaugh are afraid the Doctrine and scare their listeners with stories of the bad old days.

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Nice try
Posted by: CoolPillow on Aug 31, 2009 9:34 AM   
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But none of what you say is true.

Check your facts and get back to us.

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Maybe Beck's attacks have some truth
Posted by: progressive-life on Aug 31, 2009 9:41 AM   
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Eva. You said Jones wasn't even in La at the time... you tell one lie and then it appears your entire story is a lie...

In 1992, during a protest of the Rodney King verdict in San Francisco, police officers illegally arrested Jones and hundreds of other participants in a peaceful protest march. Jones, at the time a law student at Yale Law School, participated as a volunteer, legal monitor. The District Attorney later dropped the charges against Jones. The unlawfully arrested protesters, including Jones, won a small legal settlement. The incident deepened Jones's "disaffection with the system and accelerated his political radicalization."

Amazing, is Obama bringing in all his radical friends on his staff!!!... This will be 4 long years! Can't wait to vote this asshole and his corrupt friends out of office!

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THE LUNATIC CURRENTLY RUNNING THE ASYLUM ...
Posted by: on Aug 31, 2009 10:08 AM   
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We find we can even stand/stomach O'Reilly & Hannity (in very small doses!), just because it's so interesting to watch very mediocre minds begin to fray & dissolve. (At least they have the perfect venue to exhibit that particular choreography.)

Beck, however, is another matter entirely. I find we tend to flinch quickly away, whenever this guy begins his Lying Babble & Crocodile Tears –– much as we react when we run into a rattler or coyoté on our back patio. Very scary & dangerous stuff.

If it's any Solace, I think it's just a matter of (not very much) time, before quiet, focused people appear to haul Glen Beck away, in a nondescript van –– to quickly house him in a much softer, more isolated place (a'la Blanche DuBois in "A Streetcar Named Desire"). At least he probably has enough money to pay his own way (not to mention good Medical Insurance provided by the caring folks @FOX).

A few additional comments of, um, "relief," while I'm @it: Beck's advertisers are already jumping-ship in ever-growing numbers (64 was the last count we heard). FOX "News" can only but react (eventually) to this serious problem w/punitive measures –– though they may have to fire the lost, crazed guy when he's already firmly-lodged in his isolated soft room.

Even Bill O'Reilly will soon see this Looney Bird as a very real threat to his own limited existence –– & he'll toss him overboard, a'la "Lifeboat." (Isn't it nice to be able to draw analogies from Classic Films to illustrate & predict the long, fatal falls of truly non-classy people.)

Well, the noses just grow longer & moronic lies always surface & are revealed.

Bye-bye, Mister Beck. Take your Meds.

m. swof.

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mgardener
Posted by: dianedp on Aug 31, 2009 11:00 AM   
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Can/will somebody please sue Mr. Beck?
Why will nobody sue when they are deliberately lied about? Why do we have to willingly accept lies as part and parcel of Fox News?
Why can republicans change but Democrats are always bad/wrong?
Mr. Beck has admitted to being an alcoholic.
Surely he knows people can change, unless he really hasn't.
His rantings and lies have become more grandiose and disturbing.
He needs some time away from tv.

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How about we dig up the dirt on Beck
Posted by: chetdude on Aug 31, 2009 12:47 PM   
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and all the rest of the right-wing yahoos...

Spread it around...

And put them on the defensive for a change?

Why do we continue to allow the far-right to set the agenda?

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The Louse That Roared
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM   
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One hopes that Glenn Beck will eventually go away. On the other hand, the guy is such a walking, talking advertisement proving the utter lunacy of the extreme Right Wing, one would hope that he goes on forever.

I'm confused.

The Politics of Fear 2001-2009

Tom Degan, Goshen, NY

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It's bad enough
Posted by: willymack on Aug 31, 2009 7:49 PM   
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That Bugs Beck uses the public airways to spew his vile invective and loonie lies.
It's even WORSE that some people actually believe his flatulence.
It's time for the men with the nets to take beck to a special rubber room, where he can babble all he wants without annoying people with BRAINS.

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Because It Bares Repeating...
Posted by: kanekoa64 on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 PM   
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Glenn lied AGAIN?!
So what else is new?
Basically, encouraging the self destruction of the worlds best experimental exercise in the collective expression of freedom by any one government, ever conceived, our United States of America, is what he does.
Imagine the celebration behind closed doors at Fox if all Glenn's crap gets Obama assassinated by some Right Wing freak.
Or the pill party complete with the handing out of large, brown, penis-like cigars at Rush's studio.
And this unimportant, shitty little man is gleeful about his part in tearing down all that we hold dear while hiding behind our flag and using our constitution for a diaper, despite it's inability to absorb his "boo boos".
It's to the point where we should save only his funniest shtick for posting and commentary. Reading his frothing raves or hearing his pandering, poorly acted, used car salesman voice makes me sick to my stomach.
It's becoming too much like a forced scatological examination without gloves for me anymore. I'm going to leave it for those with stronger constitutions, to keep tabs on this shameless puppet.
Watching his attempts to remain in the public eye while he says anything he can to make his audience continue listening is like being forced to watch a mentally disturbed person play with himself in public while screaming obscenities. Comparative to the effect it would have on the unprepared seeing a "Geek Show" for the first time, back in the day.
A nightmare on so many levels for all of us.

He's addicted to hearing himself crying wolf, over and over, telling people who don't see the wolf that they might, if they turn off their flashlights and squint their eyes, REALLY hard.. His viewers keep on squinting as he repeats it enough times, that it MUST be true and voila'! Magically, they begin to make out the wolf shape hidden in the amorphous, innocuous blob out there in the big, scary BLACK dark.
Like Rush, his words have no substance, solution or intent to create anything good. There is no love of country, no higher calling or righteous compassion. Just day after day of bile mustered up by bad, short order cooks, serving voluntarily blind customers so hungry to see an undisclosed, vaguely felt purpose thats been dangling under their noses their whole lives,
if he calls the fecal ramblings he spits at them Prime Rib, they eat it with gusto while he grins that sick liars grin he uses so often he no longer worries who sees him do it.
He's a disgusting human being, pitifully in need of psychiatric treatment.
And after some weeks of treatment, if he's deemed fit for trial, his sentence should befit someone so sick as to bring up Hitler for comparison to the President of the United States because of his skin color.
He has no right to say he loves the United States.
He has no reverence for it's founding ideals, it's citizens, our President or it's future. He actively obstructs civil, social and political progress that many generations of Americans have dedicated their lives to, fought and died to protect. Beyond shameful, It's downright evil in intent.
He and others like him, either do not see, or do not care about the damage they cause this country's very soul while lining their pockets.
The results are the same and soon, I fear the effects of their shortsighted, egomaniacal hackery will leave all of us to reap the bitter fruit they've sown.

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Because It Bares Repeating...
Posted by: kanekoa64 on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 PM   
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Glenn lied AGAIN?!
So what else is new?
Basically, encouraging the self destruction of the worlds best experimental exercise in the collective expression of freedom by any one government, ever conceived, our United States of America, is what he does.
Imagine the celebration behind closed doors at Fox if all Glenn's crap gets Obama assassinated by some Right Wing freak.
Or the pill party complete with the handing out of large, brown, penis-like cigars at Rush's studio.
And this unimportant, shitty little man is gleeful about his part in tearing down all that we hold dear while hiding behind our flag and using our constitution for a diaper, despite it's inability to absorb his "boo boos".
It's to the point where we should save only his funniest shtick for posting and commentary. Reading his frothing raves or hearing his pandering, poorly acted, used car salesman voice makes me sick to my stomach.
It's becoming too much like a forced scatological examination without gloves for me anymore. I'm going to leave it for those with stronger constitutions, to keep tabs on this shameless puppet.
Watching his attempts to remain in the public eye while he says anything he can to make his audience continue listening is like being forced to watch a mentally disturbed person play with himself in public while screaming obscenities. Comparative to the effect it would have on the unprepared seeing a "Geek Show" for the first time, back in the day.
A nightmare on so many levels for all of us.

He's addicted to hearing himself crying wolf, over and over, telling people who don't see the wolf that they might, if they turn off their flashlights and squint their eyes, REALLY hard.. His viewers keep on squinting as he repeats it enough times, that it MUST be true and voila'! Magically, they begin to make out the wolf shape hidden in the amorphous, innocuous blob out there in the big, scary BLACK dark.
Like Rush, his words have no substance, solution or intent to create anything good. There is no love of country, no higher calling or righteous compassion. Just day after day of bile mustered up by bad, short order cooks, serving voluntarily blind customers so hungry to see an undisclosed, vaguely felt purpose thats been dangling under their noses their whole lives,
if he calls the fecal ramblings he spits at them Prime Rib, they eat it with gusto while he grins that sick liars grin he uses so often he no longer worries who sees him do it.
He's a disgusting human being, pitifully in need of psychiatric treatment.
And after some weeks of treatment, if he's deemed fit for trial, his sentence should befit someone so sick as to bring up Hitler for comparison to the President of the United States because of his skin color.
He has no right to say he loves the United States.
He has no reverence for it's founding ideals, it's citizens, our President or it's future. He actively obstructs civil, social and political progress that many generations of Americans have dedicated their lives to, fought and died to protect. Beyond shameful, It's downright evil in intent.
He and others like him, either do not see, or do not care about the damage they cause this country's very soul while lining their pockets.
The results are the same and soon, I fear the effects of their shortsighted, egomaniacal hackery will leave all of us to reap the bitter fruit they've sown.

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Tools out of the shed
Posted by: askwhynow2day on Sep 3, 2009 10:04 AM   
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So we shouldn't listen to the tool that is Glenn Beck, but we should listen to the tool that is Van Jones?

Jones sounds far more threatening to me.

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Beck lied?
Posted by: MPiano on Sep 4, 2009 10:45 AM   
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What lies?? That he signed the 9/11 Truth petition? That he marched with 9/11 Truthers? That he called Republicans a--holes in a public meeting? That he has spent time in prison? That he advocates "changing the American system" and redistribution of wealth? That he accused the US of spraying poison on illegal immigrants? That he beloned to the group STORM? That he himself said he was a communist?

Which lies?

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Aside from all the blather
Posted by: HillbillyRob on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM   
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Van Jones was doing something good by getting kids off the street and teaching them job skills so they could make a living and not be on the dole or in jail. Teaching them how to install green power systems which I think is admirable.
We are taking our own home green in steps, so far we have cut our power use by 1/2 and our heating fuel by 2/3 and our gasoline use by at least half, by replacing the minivan when it finaly died with a Nissan Versa, which gets 36 mpg instead of 18 and driving the pickup less only filling it once a month instead of weekly like we used to.
We have been replacing lights with LEDs and appliances with Energy Star rated ones, as highly rated as we can afford as each old appliance reaches the end of its life.
That is called individual responsibility.
We have a solar water heater that is large enough that when installed will heat water for domestic use and for radiant heat. We have done a bunch of inulation etc so far. On sunny winter days we can open the insulated draperies on the sunny side and not even run heat. I painted the roof with Kool Seal brand reflective white and it has cut the heat gain immensely instead of being 20 degrees hotter in than out its now 10 degrees cooler and we have run no ac at all this summer. saving us about 300$ a month, not to mention the coal that would be burned to generate that power.
Eventually we will install solar electric, when we get our consumption down to where we can cover it.
We still have tv, puters etc we just use them more efficiently.

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AlterNet article omits Van Jones 9/11 Truth connections
Posted by: whole2th on Sep 5, 2009 4:04 PM   
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It must be frustrating at Alternet to have to avoid references to 9/11 in articles such as this one. Glenn Beck becomes frothingly mad at the 9/11 truth position by Van Jones--yet, that isn't mentioned in the Alternet article at all. Why?

It must be frustrating not to be free to leverage the official lies of 9/11 here on AlterNet, lest throngs of truthers shine light on the big lies of 9/11.

National Geographic now reports that 33% of Americans think the US government had something to do with 9/11. It should come as no surprise that an appointee to Obama's administration would hold the views of 33% of Americans on the topic of 9/11.

My own suspicion is that AlterNet is protecting a particular interest groupin the apparent editorial blackout of 9/11 truth materials.

Van Jones' greatest "sin" is being a 9/11 truth advocate. The rest is trumped up to distract from his "sin". Glenn Beck has clearly indicated where he stands about 9/11 truthers--equating them with supporting Al Qaeda. AlterNet seems a bit more cloaked in the editing out of 9/11 truth materials.

Again, it must be frustrating not to be able to leverage the myth of 9/11 for the purposes intended. 33% of Americans know--and counting......

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Ha Ha Ha
Posted by: maxfrisson on Sep 6, 2009 1:06 PM   
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He who laughs last, laughs best!!!

HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA!

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Doing My Very Best to Believe This Author
Posted by: marquessa on Sep 8, 2009 9:47 PM   
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I have a simple comment. Everything I saw clearly shows Van Jones "saying" all the info reported on Fox. How come it is that you don't recognize VanJones "bragging" and acting out a bravado style. In his words, he states he went to jail; he states he was at the Rodney King event. Are you calling Van Jones a liar. Why should I believe he was with you that night; VJ says he wasn't; believe me, when I tell you, that is Van Jones in the videos. Your commentary is more than far reaching. I looked again, it's Van Jones' image. Please write again. Explain why you don't "see" nor "hear" him. Odd.

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I AM CONFUSED re: Van Jones
Posted by: Onemore913 on Sep 9, 2009 8:18 PM   
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I was angry too. But now, I have watched the video and I understand that he signed the truther petition. So who am I angry at now, Van's own words, or the fact that they became public. I don't want someone with such a hate-filled message anywhere in government. Obama knew him, do you think he feels that way too? I am very worried because Jones sounded like Wright. I hope that is not Obama's view. Things are just too crazy, I am beginning to regret my vote.

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Calculus
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Aug 31, 2009 12:14 AM   
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When you waste your time listening to lunatics, the lunatics win.

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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Eventually & Hopefully Glen Beck Will Be Charged..
Posted by: Razional Thinker on Aug 31, 2009 2:32 AM   
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with "Trying to Incite A Riot".....(is that a chargeable offense anyone?).

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Bexk is a Fool
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 31, 2009 3:08 AM   
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We should not pay attention this this tool:

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=kennedy

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In Defense: Jones is a Greenwashing Fraud?
Posted by: notabilia on Aug 31, 2009 4:28 AM   
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This puerile defense comes down to: Van Jones is actually Glenn Beck's best buddy. They both believe in "business-based" solutions, greenwashing the corporations who are the architects of our ecological doom.

Thanks, Van Jones, for selling out.

The only "business-based solution" is to begin, to begin, to regulate the hell out of polluting, marauding corporations. And to regulate the hell out of the bureaucrats, academicans, and aspiring "community organizers" who have become so corrupt in furtherance of the corporate supersystem.

Look for Obama to have Beck and Jones in for another beer summit.

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Secessionists Love Glenn Beck
Posted by: lalala on Aug 31, 2009 6:23 AM   
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I was at a health care rally where health care supporters outnumbered opponents 20 to one. The opponents were actually part of a secessionist group here in Texas. One woman came up to me and in a very Jesus loves you tone said that Van Jones is a communist. I asked her what her problem is with renewable energy and if she thinks the sun is a communist. These people are demented.

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Radio Interview - David Neiwert - How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Aug 31, 2009 6:49 AM   
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I watched this yesterday, at 28 minutes it is well worthwhile,

Interview - David Neiwert - How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right

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Yes, we need more people like Van Horn, and fewer like this author
Posted by: leafsong1 on Aug 31, 2009 7:19 AM   
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It sounds like Van Horn was a righteous dude until the author persuaded him to sell out. Once he fought the system; now he is a part of the Obama Administration and therefore a part of the problem. What a shame it is that such a promising revolutionary was afflicted with such a promising political career. Now he's just another crook.

"Anybody who thinks that a lone government official can pass out money, arbitrarily and without oversight, knows nothing about our legal system. A blizzard of lawsuits would stop any such scheme in its tracks, if one were ever put in place."

Anybody who thinks such things can never take place has been living under a rock for the last decade. Tell me, what are Summers and Geithner accused of in the public forum but not in any lawsuit? Remember the disappearing pallets of currency? Ten-figure no-bid contracts? If you want to live in a dream world, fine. Just don't send us any more postcards like this article. We have enough liars to deal with.

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Tom
Posted by: tsmeisen on Aug 31, 2009 7:43 AM   
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I am from California and I would like to suggest that Van Jones run for Governor. The Democrats have no acceptable candidate and a young, charismatic, intelligent, progressive,
green person of color would be hard to beat in this state. And, he would be a GREAT governor!

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Reinstall the Fairness Doctrine
Posted by: theblackgeorgecarlin on Aug 31, 2009 9:28 AM   
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Back in 1949, there used to be a law called the fairness doctrine that stated that both sides in a controversial issue are to be portrayed even handledly and fairly. However, in 1987 the FCC(Federal Communications Committee), under than chairman Mark S. Fowler, Reagan crony who worked on Ronald Reagans campaign back in 1976-1980, on the grounds that the Doctrine hurt free speech, even though that is probably a lie and Fowler probably did it to help the conservative movement( during the fairness doctrine, right wing talk radio was non-existant,compare to today, were it seems like 90% of radio is right-wing lunatics). In fact,conservative talk show host fear the Fairness Doctrine, because they know that if it were ever gonna be revived, right-wing talk radio will be exterminated like the parasite it is. In fact, in Charles P. Pierce's Idiot America, in the chapter on modern talk radio, Pierce talks about how the right-wing talk radio exploded overnight when the Fairness Doctrine was repealed. Many conservatives like Glen Beck and Limbaugh are afraid the Doctrine and scare their listeners with stories of the bad old days.

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Nice try
Posted by: CoolPillow on Aug 31, 2009 9:34 AM   
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But none of what you say is true.

Check your facts and get back to us.

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Maybe Beck's attacks have some truth
Posted by: progressive-life on Aug 31, 2009 9:41 AM   
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Eva. You said Jones wasn't even in La at the time... you tell one lie and then it appears your entire story is a lie...

In 1992, during a protest of the Rodney King verdict in San Francisco, police officers illegally arrested Jones and hundreds of other participants in a peaceful protest march. Jones, at the time a law student at Yale Law School, participated as a volunteer, legal monitor. The District Attorney later dropped the charges against Jones. The unlawfully arrested protesters, including Jones, won a small legal settlement. The incident deepened Jones's "disaffection with the system and accelerated his political radicalization."

Amazing, is Obama bringing in all his radical friends on his staff!!!... This will be 4 long years! Can't wait to vote this asshole and his corrupt friends out of office!

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THE LUNATIC CURRENTLY RUNNING THE ASYLUM ...
Posted by: on Aug 31, 2009 10:08 AM   
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We find we can even stand/stomach O'Reilly & Hannity (in very small doses!), just because it's so interesting to watch very mediocre minds begin to fray & dissolve. (At least they have the perfect venue to exhibit that particular choreography.)

Beck, however, is another matter entirely. I find we tend to flinch quickly away, whenever this guy begins his Lying Babble & Crocodile Tears –– much as we react when we run into a rattler or coyoté on our back patio. Very scary & dangerous stuff.

If it's any Solace, I think it's just a matter of (not very much) time, before quiet, focused people appear to haul Glen Beck away, in a nondescript van –– to quickly house him in a much softer, more isolated place (a'la Blanche DuBois in "A Streetcar Named Desire"). At least he probably has enough money to pay his own way (not to mention good Medical Insurance provided by the caring folks @FOX).

A few additional comments of, um, "relief," while I'm @it: Beck's advertisers are already jumping-ship in ever-growing numbers (64 was the last count we heard). FOX "News" can only but react (eventually) to this serious problem w/punitive measures –– though they may have to fire the lost, crazed guy when he's already firmly-lodged in his isolated soft room.

Even Bill O'Reilly will soon see this Looney Bird as a very real threat to his own limited existence –– & he'll toss him overboard, a'la "Lifeboat." (Isn't it nice to be able to draw analogies from Classic Films to illustrate & predict the long, fatal falls of truly non-classy people.)

Well, the noses just grow longer & moronic lies always surface & are revealed.

Bye-bye, Mister Beck. Take your Meds.

m. swof.

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mgardener
Posted by: dianedp on Aug 31, 2009 11:00 AM   
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Can/will somebody please sue Mr. Beck?
Why will nobody sue when they are deliberately lied about? Why do we have to willingly accept lies as part and parcel of Fox News?
Why can republicans change but Democrats are always bad/wrong?
Mr. Beck has admitted to being an alcoholic.
Surely he knows people can change, unless he really hasn't.
His rantings and lies have become more grandiose and disturbing.
He needs some time away from tv.

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How about we dig up the dirt on Beck
Posted by: chetdude on Aug 31, 2009 12:47 PM   
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and all the rest of the right-wing yahoos...

Spread it around...

And put them on the defensive for a change?

Why do we continue to allow the far-right to set the agenda?

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The Louse That Roared
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 31, 2009 1:48 PM   
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One hopes that Glenn Beck will eventually go away. On the other hand, the guy is such a walking, talking advertisement proving the utter lunacy of the extreme Right Wing, one would hope that he goes on forever.

I'm confused.

The Politics of Fear 2001-2009

Tom Degan, Goshen, NY

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It's bad enough
Posted by: willymack on Aug 31, 2009 7:49 PM   
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That Bugs Beck uses the public airways to spew his vile invective and loonie lies.
It's even WORSE that some people actually believe his flatulence.
It's time for the men with the nets to take beck to a special rubber room, where he can babble all he wants without annoying people with BRAINS.

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Because It Bares Repeating...
Posted by: kanekoa64 on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 PM   
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Glenn lied AGAIN?!
So what else is new?
Basically, encouraging the self destruction of the worlds best experimental exercise in the collective expression of freedom by any one government, ever conceived, our United States of America, is what he does.
Imagine the celebration behind closed doors at Fox if all Glenn's crap gets Obama assassinated by some Right Wing freak.
Or the pill party complete with the handing out of large, brown, penis-like cigars at Rush's studio.
And this unimportant, shitty little man is gleeful about his part in tearing down all that we hold dear while hiding behind our flag and using our constitution for a diaper, despite it's inability to absorb his "boo boos".
It's to the point where we should save only his funniest shtick for posting and commentary. Reading his frothing raves or hearing his pandering, poorly acted, used car salesman voice makes me sick to my stomach.
It's becoming too much like a forced scatological examination without gloves for me anymore. I'm going to leave it for those with stronger constitutions, to keep tabs on this shameless puppet.
Watching his attempts to remain in the public eye while he says anything he can to make his audience continue listening is like being forced to watch a mentally disturbed person play with himself in public while screaming obscenities. Comparative to the effect it would have on the unprepared seeing a "Geek Show" for the first time, back in the day.
A nightmare on so many levels for all of us.

He's addicted to hearing himself crying wolf, over and over, telling people who don't see the wolf that they might, if they turn off their flashlights and squint their eyes, REALLY hard.. His viewers keep on squinting as he repeats it enough times, that it MUST be true and voila'! Magically, they begin to make out the wolf shape hidden in the amorphous, innocuous blob out there in the big, scary BLACK dark.
Like Rush, his words have no substance, solution or intent to create anything good. There is no love of country, no higher calling or righteous compassion. Just day after day of bile mustered up by bad, short order cooks, serving voluntarily blind customers so hungry to see an undisclosed, vaguely felt purpose thats been dangling under their noses their whole lives,
if he calls the fecal ramblings he spits at them Prime Rib, they eat it with gusto while he grins that sick liars grin he uses so often he no longer worries who sees him do it.
He's a disgusting human being, pitifully in need of psychiatric treatment.
And after some weeks of treatment, if he's deemed fit for trial, his sentence should befit someone so sick as to bring up Hitler for comparison to the President of the United States because of his skin color.
He has no right to say he loves the United States.
He has no reverence for it's founding ideals, it's citizens, our President or it's future. He actively obstructs civil, social and political progress that many generations of Americans have dedicated their lives to, fought and died to protect. Beyond shameful, It's downright evil in intent.
He and others like him, either do not see, or do not care about the damage they cause this country's very soul while lining their pockets.
The results are the same and soon, I fear the effects of their shortsighted, egomaniacal hackery will leave all of us to reap the bitter fruit they've sown.

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Because It Bares Repeating...
Posted by: kanekoa64 on Sep 1, 2009 9:58 PM   
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Glenn lied AGAIN?!
So what else is new?
Basically, encouraging the self destruction of the worlds best experimental exercise in the collective expression of freedom by any one government, ever conceived, our United States of America, is what he does.
Imagine the celebration behind closed doors at Fox if all Glenn's crap gets Obama assassinated by some Right Wing freak.
Or the pill party complete with the handing out of large, brown, penis-like cigars at Rush's studio.
And this unimportant, shitty little man is gleeful about his part in tearing down all that we hold dear while hiding behind our flag and using our constitution for a diaper, despite it's inability to absorb his "boo boos".
It's to the point where we should save only his funniest shtick for posting and commentary. Reading his frothing raves or hearing his pandering, poorly acted, used car salesman voice makes me sick to my stomach.
It's becoming too much like a forced scatological examination without gloves for me anymore. I'm going to leave it for those with stronger constitutions, to keep tabs on this shameless puppet.
Watching his attempts to remain in the public eye while he says anything he can to make his audience continue listening is like being forced to watch a mentally disturbed person play with himself in public while screaming obscenities. Comparative to the effect it would have on the unprepared seeing a "Geek Show" for the first time, back in the day.
A nightmare on so many levels for all of us.

He's addicted to hearing himself crying wolf, over and over, telling people who don't see the wolf that they might, if they turn off their flashlights and squint their eyes, REALLY hard.. His viewers keep on squinting as he repeats it enough times, that it MUST be true and voila'! Magically, they begin to make out the wolf shape hidden in the amorphous, innocuous blob out there in the big, scary BLACK dark.
Like Rush, his words have no substance, solution or intent to create anything good. There is no love of country, no higher calling or righteous compassion. Just day after day of bile mustered up by bad, short order cooks, serving voluntarily blind customers so hungry to see an undisclosed, vaguely felt purpose thats been dangling under their noses their whole lives,
if he calls the fecal ramblings he spits at them Prime Rib, they eat it with gusto while he grins that sick liars grin he uses so often he no longer worries who sees him do it.
He's a disgusting human being, pitifully in need of psychiatric treatment.
And after some weeks of treatment, if he's deemed fit for trial, his sentence should befit someone so sick as to bring up Hitler for comparison to the President of the United States because of his skin color.
He has no right to say he loves the United States.
He has no reverence for it's founding ideals, it's citizens, our President or it's future. He actively obstructs civil, social and political progress that many generations of Americans have dedicated their lives to, fought and died to protect. Beyond shameful, It's downright evil in intent.
He and others like him, either do not see, or do not care about the damage they cause this country's very soul while lining their pockets.
The results are the same and soon, I fear the effects of their shortsighted, egomaniacal hackery will leave all of us to reap the bitter fruit they've sown.

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Tools out of the shed
Posted by: askwhynow2day on Sep 3, 2009 10:04 AM   
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So we shouldn't listen to the tool that is Glenn Beck, but we should listen to the tool that is Van Jones?

Jones sounds far more threatening to me.

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Beck lied?
Posted by: MPiano on Sep 4, 2009 10:45 AM   
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What lies?? That he signed the 9/11 Truth petition? That he marched with 9/11 Truthers? That he called Republicans a--holes in a public meeting? That he has spent time in prison? That he advocates "changing the American system" and redistribution of wealth? That he accused the US of spraying poison on illegal immigrants? That he beloned to the group STORM? That he himself said he was a communist?

Which lies?

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Aside from all the blather
Posted by: HillbillyRob on Sep 4, 2009 1:03 PM   
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Van Jones was doing something good by getting kids off the street and teaching them job skills so they could make a living and not be on the dole or in jail. Teaching them how to install green power systems which I think is admirable.
We are taking our own home green in steps, so far we have cut our power use by 1/2 and our heating fuel by 2/3 and our gasoline use by at least half, by replacing the minivan when it finaly died with a Nissan Versa, which gets 36 mpg instead of 18 and driving the pickup less only filling it once a month instead of weekly like we used to.
We have been replacing lights with LEDs and appliances with Energy Star rated ones, as highly rated as we can afford as each old appliance reaches the end of its life.
That is called individual responsibility.
We have a solar water heater that is large enough that when installed will heat water for domestic use and for radiant heat. We have done a bunch of inulation etc so far. On sunny winter days we can open the insulated draperies on the sunny side and not even run heat. I painted the roof with Kool Seal brand reflective white and it has cut the heat gain immensely instead of being 20 degrees hotter in than out its now 10 degrees cooler and we have run no ac at all this summer. saving us about 300$ a month, not to mention the coal that would be burned to generate that power.
Eventually we will install solar electric, when we get our consumption down to where we can cover it.
We still have tv, puters etc we just use them more efficiently.

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AlterNet article omits Van Jones 9/11 Truth connections
Posted by: whole2th on Sep 5, 2009 4:04 PM   
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It must be frustrating at Alternet to have to avoid references to 9/11 in articles such as this one. Glenn Beck becomes frothingly mad at the 9/11 truth position by Van Jones--yet, that isn't mentioned in the Alternet article at all. Why?

It must be frustrating not to be free to leverage the official lies of 9/11 here on AlterNet, lest throngs of truthers shine light on the big lies of 9/11.

National Geographic now reports that 33% of Americans think the US government had something to do with 9/11. It should come as no surprise that an appointee to Obama's administration would hold the views of 33% of Americans on the topic of 9/11.

My own suspicion is that AlterNet is protecting a particular interest groupin the apparent editorial blackout of 9/11 truth materials.

Van Jones' greatest "sin" is being a 9/11 truth advocate. The rest is trumped up to distract from his "sin". Glenn Beck has clearly indicated where he stands about 9/11 truthers--equating them with supporting Al Qaeda. AlterNet seems a bit more cloaked in the editing out of 9/11 truth materials.

Again, it must be frustrating not to be able to leverage the myth of 9/11 for the purposes intended. 33% of Americans know--and counting......

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Ha Ha Ha
Posted by: maxfrisson on Sep 6, 2009 1:06 PM   
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He who laughs last, laughs best!!!

HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA!

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Doing My Very Best to Believe This Author
Posted by: marquessa on Sep 8, 2009 9:47 PM   
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I have a simple comment. Everything I saw clearly shows Van Jones "saying" all the info reported on Fox. How come it is that you don't recognize VanJones "bragging" and acting out a bravado style. In his words, he states he went to jail; he states he was at the Rodney King event. Are you calling Van Jones a liar. Why should I believe he was with you that night; VJ says he wasn't; believe me, when I tell you, that is Van Jones in the videos. Your commentary is more than far reaching. I looked again, it's Van Jones' image. Please write again. Explain why you don't "see" nor "hear" him. Odd.

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I AM CONFUSED re: Van Jones
Posted by: Onemore913 on Sep 9, 2009 8:18 PM   
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I was angry too. But now, I have watched the video and I understand that he signed the truther petition. So who am I angry at now, Van's own words, or the fact that they became public. I don't want someone with such a hate-filled message anywhere in government. Obama knew him, do you think he feels that way too? I am very worried because Jones sounded like Wright. I hope that is not Obama's view. Things are just too crazy, I am beginning to regret my vote.

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