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Think Vietnam Vets Were Screwed? Wait Until You See How Many Veterans of Bush's Wars End up in Jail
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As all the other justifications for the U.S. invasion of Iraq have fallen by the wayside, it is ironic that the one that remains is "freedom," because in the name of someone else's freedom, we train our own soldiers to behave in ways that may very well cost them their own.
Gordy Lane is a retired Syracuse police detective who served in the Marine Corps during the Vietnam War. As a cop, it was his job to put lawbreakers behind bars, but as a veteran, he understands that when you go to war, "you come back a little different than when you went over there."
"Listen," he says, "you pop up out of a foxhole, and you blow a guy's head open like a watermelon. The other two guys in the foxhole start patting you on the back and saying, 'Good job!' because you just did the worst thing that you can do to another person. How do you translate that into civilian life?"
For far too many soldiers, the simple answer is, you don't.
But with them behind bars and out of sight, most of the rest of us are free to ignore the human evidence of what our military ventures really cost. Even putting issues of compassion and justice aside, any number of alternatives to prison have been shown to save taxpayer money.
For example, the average annual cost of incarceration in New York state in 2008 was $44,000 a year. But a 2009 report by the Legal Action Committee found that for every individual diverted from prison into community-based treatment programs, the state would save between $62,492 and $88,892 a year.
The LAC calculated those savings by subtracting the average cost of treatment (for addiction or mental-health issues) from the cost of incarceration. It turns out to be cheaper, both in the long and the short run, even considering expenditures such as program administration and court supervision, if projected savings in health care, public assistance and future criminal justice involvement is also considered.
With that in mind, as these new wars drag on, and as more and more service members find themselves entangled in the criminal justice system, it seems worth asking, in whose interest is the status quo maintained? Especially when there are more humane and even more rational solutions available.
Jim Strollo, who directs the veterans program at Groveland Prison in New York, has "a group of veterans that meets on Thursday nights that addresses PTSD, among other things.
"But I'm not a trained counselor. We have the Office of Mental Health, but they are not equipped to do a lot of counseling because crisis intervention keeps them so busy. Veteran inmates rely in the counseling of their peers. They do the best they can."
Even 10 years ago, veterans at Groveland and other New York prisons had more support and treatment options than they have today.
Don Little, who coordinated the NYS Department of Correctional Services' Veterans Programs from 1986 until December 2004, when he retired, told me sadly, "We had good results. We made the department look good, and we weren't even spending the state's money. I just don't understand."
Reintegrating Vets into Civilian Life
After the war in Vietnam, when veterans began showing up in the nation's prisons in large numbers, Vietnam Veterans of America was the first organization to respond with rehabilitation programs specifically designed to help returning troops reintegrate into civilian life.
NYDOCS adopted VVA's design and did perhaps the best job of implementing the program.
"We even had the VA involved, " Little says proudly. "They provided trained substance-abuse and PTSD counselors, and the NYS Division of Parole and Department of Labor had signed on as well."
By 1993, NYSDOCS could boast a recidivism rate (five years after release) of 8.9 percent for veterans who had completed the program, compared with 51.6 percent for non-veterans.
In 1999, 19 facilities in NYSDOCS offered veterans programs. Then, for the sake of "efficiency and effectiveness," those programs were consolidated. There are now three. And since the consolidation, program participation no longer counts toward certificates of "earned eligibility," which make an early parole more likely.
"Our program was undermined at the highest levels of the department," Little recalls with bitterness. "They said vets were getting preferential treatment. But I believe they just didn't want it to succeed. Vindictive, that's what it seemed to me."
What happened to those demonstrably successful programs makes no sense in human or even in fiscal terms. But even while various agencies of government appear content to keep veterans behind bars and out of sight, an array of creative and compassionate -- not to mention economically rational -- solutions continue to emerge, put forward by concerned individuals.
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Posted by: desidid on Sep 9, 2009 3:11 AM
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Right now, an obscene spectacle is taking place in the federal courts in Washington. People who have been held as suspects for as long as seven years are having their habeas cases examined. How much examination could such a case possibly take? If they haven't put you on trial for seven years, your detention is illegal, period. There is no possible legal excuse to hold you longer. And we're supposed to feel sorry for soldiers who got a fair trial?
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» I'm sure you'd like to think so...
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Sep 9, 2009 5:54 AM
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But when will the public come to understand that their government is run by the nation's corporations?
And the Operation MOCKINGBIRD media have you all believing that what is going on with national health care is a fight between the insurance companies and the health care industry (corporations, you know) and the people fearful of "socialism" (what do you think automobile insurance, dwelling and property insurance - ALL insurance - is?). The same kind of behaviorally-conditioned, braindead mentality can't separate the military industrial complex (corporations) from the wondrous way we continue fighting wars - Iraq and Afghanistan, for instance - that make no sense.
Why don't we try a law requiring the health care insurers and health care industry CEOS to have the same health care and insurance everyone else has - or requiring the sons and daughters or the military industrial complex (and the congress) to to serve in their wars?
Mightn't that change everything faster than anything else?
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...Its not only violent men who are being returned to society, it is sick men. Men who have also returned with mycoplasmic infections from the jabs that they have passed on to their children and wifes and health care professionals who cared for them.
And the DU? From the days of Leslie Groves and the Atom Bomb Project, we've known of the danger of DU...yet we've spread it through Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan in what is a calculated, cold-blooded atrocity...a crime against humanity now, and millions of years from now. And what has the new regime accomplished? Nothing! Nada!...but, its not really a 'new' regime, is it? 'Change you can believe in'...is no change at all.
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Posted by: Hiroak on Sep 9, 2009 11:21 AM
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What if a bunch of pussies can't HANDLE it slap them in the face a few times and tell them to get their punk asses back out there and KILL some enemies of America. God Bless the U.S.A.
How else are we gonna improve this economy??? Hmmmmm any ideas you pinko fags? I guess YOUR idea would be to develop Green jobs like that commie pinko Van Jones wanted to do. Well it aint gonna happen Merkins likes to kill, maim, rape and pillage how else we gonna get Democracy going in those third world hell holes except by making them more Hellish?
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Posted by: rastaman on Sep 9, 2009 11:25 AM
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you're more of a lunatic than the Orwellian overlords that sent them there in the first place.
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Maybe it does pay to question your orders. It certainly doesn't pay to follow them when you'll be held accountable and the ones giving the orders won't.
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From Dr. Ann Blakely, researcher and expert witness on the effects of SSRI antidepressants:
"Research on serotonin has been clear from the very beginning that the most damaging thing that could be done to the serotonin system would be to impair one's ability to metabolize serotonin. Yet that is exactly how SSRI antidepressants exert their effects.
For decades research has shown that impairing serotonin metabolism will produce migraines, hot flashes, pains around the heart, difficulty breathing, a worsening of bronchial complaints, tension and anxiety which appears from out of nowhere, depression, suicide - especially very violent suicide, hostility, violent crime, arson, substance abuse, psychosis, mania, organic brain disease, autism, anorexia, reckless driving, Alzheimer's, impulsive behavior with no concern for punishment, and argumentative behavior."
http://psychrights.org/News/ATracyPhDSSRIFDATestimony.txt
For an interesting clip of Michael Moore and an eye-opening list of recent news events:
http://www.drugawareness.org/
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Sep 9, 2009 2:52 PM
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Wake-up, sheeple!
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I am a Patriot
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Even if one does not ask or pretends not to see the rope and the flashing red flag draped around the philosophical question standing solemnly at attention in the middle of the room, it remains apparent that the mere presence of a private “for profit” driven prison business in our country undermines the U.S Constitution and subsequently the credibility of the American criminal justice system. In fact, until all private prisons in America have been abolished and outlawed, “the promise” of fairness and justice at every level of this country’s judicial system will remain unattainable. We must restore the principles and the vacant promise of our judicial system. Our government cannot continue to "job-out" its obligation and neglect its duty to the individuals confined in the correctional and rehabilitation facilities throughout this nation, nor can it ignore the will of the people that it was designed to serve and protect. There is urgent need for the good people of this country to emerge from the shadows of indifference, apathy, cynicism, fear, and those other dark places that we migrate to when we are overwhelmed by frustration and the loss of hope.
My hope is that you will support the National Public Service Council to Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP) with a show of solidarity by signing "The Single Voice Petition"
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Posted by: phindrup on Sep 12, 2009 2:14 AM
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As for the rest: the US has been blundering about destroying the lives of others for approximately a hundred years. Karma has it that you will suffer for your cruel/bad/vicious deeds. Well take a look at the way the Iraqis and the Afghanistani have been treated. Those you have trained to treat people like this will be loose on your streets, deranged and bitter. It is your wives, your children who will be the victims.
Me, I have no sympathy at all!
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Posted by: DavidPearce on Sep 14, 2009 4:21 PM
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1. No matter what the American people now think about the war, most of them were behind the motivation which sent our armed forces to Southwest Asia.
2. This war started as a result of a planned brutal attack upon innocent people, here in America. The fact that they died like donkeys is irrevelant to that point.
3. Even though the attitudes of the citizens of the country have significantly changed towards the war and the government, both the past and present Administration, the GIs are still as popular and respected as ever. To my knowledge, no returning GI has yet been subjected to anything like the treatment the Viet Nam vets received from the "dear old folks back home." Even Hanoi Jane Fonda is keeping her stupid trap shut.
4. Every single one of the veterans of the current conflict is a volunteer, not one conscripted soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine has died. True, stop loss measures have generated some resentment among the military, but there are no half trained draftees being sent into the buzz saw, while the sons of the wealthy and politicians are sitting at Harvard on a S-1 draft deferment. Also, the cancerous racism which pervaded the Viet Nam era Military has been for the most part stomped out.
5. This time, like in Desert Shield/Storm, the military reserve and the National Guard were, and continue to be activated. Except in rare cases, this never happened in the SE Asia conflict. Trained professionals, in the reserve and Guard, sat at home playing volley ball and drinking beer on Drill Weekends while conscripts were murdered in bunches in Viet Nam.
6. From the very start the support structure of the military, Veterans Administration and many other government agencies have been on the spot to train, prepare, treat, and rehabilitate the veterans of combat, which never happened in SE Asia. Is there more that can and should be done, but 40 years ago almost nothing was done.
7. These wars are being fought for territory, DIRT, not body count. Hundreds of GI are not asked to fight for real estate, loose friends and then give the objectives back to the bad guys. We also have a much better officer corps and enlisted leadership than in SE Asia. The military has spent a generation getting the leadership right. We also have the weapons, tactics, equipment, and support services in place and functioning. No matter what the politicians say, we don't really give two shites about capturing the hearts and minds of the native arseholes in Afghanistan or Iraq, because we know that they will screw the U.S. as soon as possible, when it is to their advantage to do so. I think that they, the natives, are generally being treated fairly, in spite of the above facts.
LASTLY
Military Units are training, preparing, serving, fighting, and returning as units. The GIs are going into danger with buddies and leaders they are sure of, men (and I suppose women) more readily fight, sacrifice, and die for their friends, ultimately it is all that matters in combat. No one in combat really gives a shite about the United States, Mom, Family, or Stroh's Beer. But everyone loves his or her buddies. When the fight is over these folks are coming back to the World, with most of the same people they left with, those who don't come back are memorialized forever.
I think that the limp dick arsehols, who are making predictions about how bad these fine young men and women, veterans of this conflict, will turn out, don't have any more idea about real WAR than they do about pissing into the wind.
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Right now, an obscene spectacle is taking place in the federal courts in Washington. People who have been held as suspects for as long as seven years are having their habeas cases examined. How much examination could such a case possibly take? If they haven't put you on trial for seven years, your detention is illegal, period. There is no possible legal excuse to hold you longer. And we're supposed to feel sorry for soldiers who got a fair trial?
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» I'm sure you'd like to think so...
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Posted by: Walks-in-Storms on Sep 9, 2009 5:54 AM
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But when will the public come to understand that their government is run by the nation's corporations?
And the Operation MOCKINGBIRD media have you all believing that what is going on with national health care is a fight between the insurance companies and the health care industry (corporations, you know) and the people fearful of "socialism" (what do you think automobile insurance, dwelling and property insurance - ALL insurance - is?). The same kind of behaviorally-conditioned, braindead mentality can't separate the military industrial complex (corporations) from the wondrous way we continue fighting wars - Iraq and Afghanistan, for instance - that make no sense.
Why don't we try a law requiring the health care insurers and health care industry CEOS to have the same health care and insurance everyone else has - or requiring the sons and daughters or the military industrial complex (and the congress) to to serve in their wars?
Mightn't that change everything faster than anything else?
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Posted by: Prinzowhales on Sep 9, 2009 7:54 AM
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...Its not only violent men who are being returned to society, it is sick men. Men who have also returned with mycoplasmic infections from the jabs that they have passed on to their children and wifes and health care professionals who cared for them.
And the DU? From the days of Leslie Groves and the Atom Bomb Project, we've known of the danger of DU...yet we've spread it through Serbia, Iraq and Afghanistan in what is a calculated, cold-blooded atrocity...a crime against humanity now, and millions of years from now. And what has the new regime accomplished? Nothing! Nada!...but, its not really a 'new' regime, is it? 'Change you can believe in'...is no change at all.
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Posted by: Hiroak on Sep 9, 2009 11:21 AM
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What if a bunch of pussies can't HANDLE it slap them in the face a few times and tell them to get their punk asses back out there and KILL some enemies of America. God Bless the U.S.A.
How else are we gonna improve this economy??? Hmmmmm any ideas you pinko fags? I guess YOUR idea would be to develop Green jobs like that commie pinko Van Jones wanted to do. Well it aint gonna happen Merkins likes to kill, maim, rape and pillage how else we gonna get Democracy going in those third world hell holes except by making them more Hellish?
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Posted by: rastaman on Sep 9, 2009 11:25 AM
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you're more of a lunatic than the Orwellian overlords that sent them there in the first place.
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Posted by: james108 on Sep 9, 2009 12:07 PM
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Maybe it does pay to question your orders. It certainly doesn't pay to follow them when you'll be held accountable and the ones giving the orders won't.
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From Dr. Ann Blakely, researcher and expert witness on the effects of SSRI antidepressants:
"Research on serotonin has been clear from the very beginning that the most damaging thing that could be done to the serotonin system would be to impair one's ability to metabolize serotonin. Yet that is exactly how SSRI antidepressants exert their effects.
For decades research has shown that impairing serotonin metabolism will produce migraines, hot flashes, pains around the heart, difficulty breathing, a worsening of bronchial complaints, tension and anxiety which appears from out of nowhere, depression, suicide - especially very violent suicide, hostility, violent crime, arson, substance abuse, psychosis, mania, organic brain disease, autism, anorexia, reckless driving, Alzheimer's, impulsive behavior with no concern for punishment, and argumentative behavior."
http://psychrights.org/News/ATracyPhDSSRIFDATestimony.txt
For an interesting clip of Michael Moore and an eye-opening list of recent news events:
http://www.drugawareness.org/
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Sep 9, 2009 2:52 PM
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Wake-up, sheeple!
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Posted by: Revolutionary (Direct) Democracy on Sep 9, 2009 4:05 PM
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I am a Patriot
I am a Veteran
I am a Socialist
FREE AMERICA
REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY
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Posted by: wmw1984 on Sep 10, 2009 12:58 AM
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Posted by: ahma_daeus on Sep 10, 2009 8:41 AM
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Even if one does not ask or pretends not to see the rope and the flashing red flag draped around the philosophical question standing solemnly at attention in the middle of the room, it remains apparent that the mere presence of a private “for profit” driven prison business in our country undermines the U.S Constitution and subsequently the credibility of the American criminal justice system. In fact, until all private prisons in America have been abolished and outlawed, “the promise” of fairness and justice at every level of this country’s judicial system will remain unattainable. We must restore the principles and the vacant promise of our judicial system. Our government cannot continue to "job-out" its obligation and neglect its duty to the individuals confined in the correctional and rehabilitation facilities throughout this nation, nor can it ignore the will of the people that it was designed to serve and protect. There is urgent need for the good people of this country to emerge from the shadows of indifference, apathy, cynicism, fear, and those other dark places that we migrate to when we are overwhelmed by frustration and the loss of hope.
My hope is that you will support the National Public Service Council to Abolish Private Prisons (NPSCTAPP) with a show of solidarity by signing "The Single Voice Petition"
http://www.petitiononline.com/gufree2/petition.html
Please visit our website for further information: http://www.npsctapp.blogspot.com
–Ahma Daeus
"Practicing Humanity Without A License"…
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Posted by: phindrup on Sep 12, 2009 2:14 AM
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As for the rest: the US has been blundering about destroying the lives of others for approximately a hundred years. Karma has it that you will suffer for your cruel/bad/vicious deeds. Well take a look at the way the Iraqis and the Afghanistani have been treated. Those you have trained to treat people like this will be loose on your streets, deranged and bitter. It is your wives, your children who will be the victims.
Me, I have no sympathy at all!
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Posted by: DavidPearce on Sep 14, 2009 4:21 PM
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1. No matter what the American people now think about the war, most of them were behind the motivation which sent our armed forces to Southwest Asia.
2. This war started as a result of a planned brutal attack upon innocent people, here in America. The fact that they died like donkeys is irrevelant to that point.
3. Even though the attitudes of the citizens of the country have significantly changed towards the war and the government, both the past and present Administration, the GIs are still as popular and respected as ever. To my knowledge, no returning GI has yet been subjected to anything like the treatment the Viet Nam vets received from the "dear old folks back home." Even Hanoi Jane Fonda is keeping her stupid trap shut.
4. Every single one of the veterans of the current conflict is a volunteer, not one conscripted soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine has died. True, stop loss measures have generated some resentment among the military, but there are no half trained draftees being sent into the buzz saw, while the sons of the wealthy and politicians are sitting at Harvard on a S-1 draft deferment. Also, the cancerous racism which pervaded the Viet Nam era Military has been for the most part stomped out.
5. This time, like in Desert Shield/Storm, the military reserve and the National Guard were, and continue to be activated. Except in rare cases, this never happened in the SE Asia conflict. Trained professionals, in the reserve and Guard, sat at home playing volley ball and drinking beer on Drill Weekends while conscripts were murdered in bunches in Viet Nam.
6. From the very start the support structure of the military, Veterans Administration and many other government agencies have been on the spot to train, prepare, treat, and rehabilitate the veterans of combat, which never happened in SE Asia. Is there more that can and should be done, but 40 years ago almost nothing was done.
7. These wars are being fought for territory, DIRT, not body count. Hundreds of GI are not asked to fight for real estate, loose friends and then give the objectives back to the bad guys. We also have a much better officer corps and enlisted leadership than in SE Asia. The military has spent a generation getting the leadership right. We also have the weapons, tactics, equipment, and support services in place and functioning. No matter what the politicians say, we don't really give two shites about capturing the hearts and minds of the native arseholes in Afghanistan or Iraq, because we know that they will screw the U.S. as soon as possible, when it is to their advantage to do so. I think that they, the natives, are generally being treated fairly, in spite of the above facts.
LASTLY
Military Units are training, preparing, serving, fighting, and returning as units. The GIs are going into danger with buddies and leaders they are sure of, men (and I suppose women) more readily fight, sacrifice, and die for their friends, ultimately it is all that matters in combat. No one in combat really gives a shite about the United States, Mom, Family, or Stroh's Beer. But everyone loves his or her buddies. When the fight is over these folks are coming back to the World, with most of the same people they left with, those who don't come back are memorialized forever.
I think that the limp dick arsehols, who are making predictions about how bad these fine young men and women, veterans of this conflict, will turn out, don't have any more idea about real WAR than they do about pissing into the wind.
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Posted by: teon6 on Oct 2, 2009 2:13 AM
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