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How Pharma Giants Are Getting Rich By Calling Our Life Problems 'Medical Disorders'
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Some years ago, a friend told me that he had been diagnosed with a major depressive disorder and that his psychiatrist had given him a prescription for Forest Laboratories’ popular SSRI antidepressant Celexa (chemical name, citalopram hydrobromide; $1.5 billion in sales in 2003). Knowing him to be a vociferous critic of the pharmaceutical companies, I asked whether he agreed that the origins of his unhappiness were biological in nature. He replied that he unequivocally did not. “But,” he confided, “now I might be able to get my grades back up.”
This guy was, at the time, a full-time undergraduate student who managed rent, groceries and tuition only by working two part-time jobs. He awoke before dawn each morning in order to transcribe interviews for a local graduate student, then embarked upon an hour-long commute to campus, attended classes until late afternoon, and then finally headed over to a nearby café to wash dishes until nine o’clock in the evening. By the time he arrived home each night, he was too exhausted to work on the sundry assignments, essays and lab reports that populated his course syllabi. As the school year dragged on, he had become increasingly disheartened about his slipping grades and mounting fatigue and decided, finally, that something had to be done. So he’d seen the psychiatrist and was now on Celexa.
It is worth reflecting on this anecdote, and others like it, as research proceeds on the upcoming revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-V), a draft of which is slated for release in late 2009. When perceived through the aseptic lens of statistics, diagnostic rates, and other seemingly objective metrics, the urgency with which companies like Pfizer exhort us to monitor ourselves for sadness or restlessness and to “ask your doctor if Zoloft is right for you” assumes a superficially unproblematic aspect. According to the National Institute of Mental Health, over 17 million American adults are afflicted with clinical depression each year, costing the national economy $30 billion in absenteeism, inefficiency and medical expenses. Eighty per cent of those afflicted will never seek psychiatric treatment, despite the American Psychiatric Association’s regular reassurances that 80-90 per cent of chronic depression cases can be successfully treated, and 15 per cent will attempt suicide. Suicide is, indeed, the third leading cause of death among American youth aged 10 to 24.
Implicit to the drug companies’ messianic promises of health, happiness and economic productivity is a spurious parable of linear scientific progress: in spite of consistently inconclusive clinical trials, new psychotropic drugs are regularly marketed as improvements on old ones, ever more specific in their targeting of neurotransmitters, ever less productive of pernicious side effects. While revelations that put the lie to the industry’s feigned beneficence have belatedly crept into the mainstream press in recent years, the extent to which our lives and livelihoods have been colonized by the reductive logic of pharmaceutical intervention remains breathtaking. As Laurence Kirmayer of McGill University has suggested, the millennial rise of a “cosmetic” psychopharmaceutical industry, wherein drugs are “applied like make-up to make us look and feel good, while our existential predicaments go unanswered,” raises disturbing questions about the consequences of our willingness to use chemicals to treat forms of distress that would seem to signal not biological but social maladies.
Is it adolescent rebellion or “Oppositional Defiant Disorder”?
What is revealed about a society, in which drugs are touted with increasing regularity as a treatment of choice for entirely natural responses to conditions of unnatural stress? How have we been persuaded to equate such things as recalcitrant despair (“Dysthymic Disorder,” DSM-IV-TR 300.4), adolescent rebellion (“Oppositional Defiant Disorder,” DSM-IV-TR 313.81) and social apathy (“Schizoid Personality Disorder,” DSM-IV-TR 301.20) with aberrant brain chemistry and innate genetic susceptibilities rather than with the societal circumstances in which they arise? What does it mean when increasing numbers of people feel as though they have no choice but to self-medicate with dubious chemical substances in order to stay in school, stay motivated, stay employed, and stay financially solvent?
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Posted by: the man with a dog on Aug 21, 2009 1:15 AM
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This is robbery on a grand scale and carried out with not a single shot been fired.
Could these companies be recruited to fight our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan saving countless lives?
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» RE: Peddlers of poisons! What low % of these drugs actually cure anything?
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 21, 2009 4:07 AM
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If its royal charter (not available on its website) is like most of the 87 royal charters I've been able to obtain and classify, then the people running it (individuals from Big Pharma, most likely) have been granted the privileges of having special treatment provided by Her Majesty's ministers and protection from Her Majesty's judges, even despite evidence of wrongdoing, specifically "non-recital" (concealment) and "mis-recital" (deception).
No drug companies have been successfully prosecuted for fraud or anything else in the UK. In the case of Thalidomide, the government paid the compensation. In fact there has never been anything like the successful Enron prosecution. A UK Bernie Madoff has a Get Out of Jail Free card.
To imagine that this immunity from punishment has not had a baleful influence elsewhere (especially in the English-speaking world) is not credible.
Because of the privileges of incorporation (the first royal charter of the present dynasty was granted in 1067 to the City of London, the financial district), government is all too often little more than a way to transfer money from our pockets to someone else's. And we don't even know what these guys look like.
A very informative article.
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Posted by: Landbaron on Aug 21, 2009 4:35 AM
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» RE: I want my stocks to go up, no money, no healthcare
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» RE: I want my stocks to go up, no money, no healthcare
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» RE: I want my stocks to go up, no money, no healthcare
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» RE:Only the priviledged deserve healthcare? F@#& off!
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Aug 21, 2009 5:36 AM
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They will create what they must to get you to think that something is wrong with you so that they can sell you some drug at a hyper inflated price but as of this moment in time I do not think there is a pill for LIFE.
Do yourself and society a favor and do not fall for their BS. You may even consider taking less medication instead of more now I'm not talking heart pills and such but those that are over the counter and discretionary.
As far as prescription drugs,"Just say no", when you can.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 21, 2009 6:10 AM
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I was interviewed on the subject of overuse of antidepressants by American workers
American don't need pills- They need sane and safe workplaces!
Fines and lawsuits are not enough.Some CEO's of Big PhRMA companies need to go to jail
Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
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» RE: Medicalization or Disease Mongering
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» RE: Medicalization or Disease Mongering and yet conservative when people have legit problems
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» RE: Medicalization or Disease Mongering
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Aug 21, 2009 6:11 AM
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Read Mental Illness or Social Sickness?
and ADD/ADHD: Mental Illness or Social Oppression?
Susan Rosenthal
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» RE: Healthy Reactions to a Sick World
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» RE: Healthy Reactions to a Sick World
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Posted by: philosimphy on Aug 21, 2009 6:18 AM
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:enbrel commercial that you'll remember seeing
Well, Amgen has a list of 'Corporate Giving' recipients and most of the big dollar recipients are research places, or convention planners, or medication marketing storefronts... and let me stress that they are not researching "cures" they are researching medicating the symptoms.
On page three of the list, I found where Amgen gave 30 grand to the National Osteoporosis Society to update their website. Check out the website, does that look like 30 grand well spent?
hmph!
posted here already
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Posted by: wbblack on Aug 21, 2009 6:55 AM
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» RE: Soma -- It's a brave New World
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» RE: Soma -- It's a brave New World
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 21, 2009 7:25 AM
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No one wants to believe that the people in state, local, and federal positions that we've "freely voted" for are screwing us! To cover up their own agenda we're getting pills for everything from erectile dysfunction, weight loss, to a whole host of "faux" mental issues! People, you're not crazy, your stress is real - it is due to the class warfare that has come about with not just tax cuts, but cuts to the very social programs that should be helping us all lift ourselves up!
The real treatment needed in no particular order: (1)enforcement of Corporate taxes @30%, 50% for off-shoring, (2) truly public financing of all elections to help keep our public officials honest, (3)rewriting the rules and regulations to keep Corporate America honest - because left to their own devises they have proven that they cannot be trusted, (4)lowering the tax rate for 90% of Americans that have been getting the shaft on these supposed "tax cuts", (5)a public option on health-care, (6)people making over $2.5million can afford an increased percentage of taxes, (7)re-instating the "death tax", (8)real investment in education, (9)real alternatives to BIG OIL, (10) ending of the WARS, period! Just a few thoughts about the "pills" that we as the people of this nation deserve!
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» RE: The treatment....can be sustained; the cure is not profitable.
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» RE: The treatment....
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» RE: The treatment....
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Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Aug 21, 2009 7:53 AM
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Posted by: gemelabuena on Aug 21, 2009 7:53 AM
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» RE: good points, but too one-sided, in my opinion- Agreed
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» studies of juror decision-making show that we tend to take any virtues for granted
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» RE: good points, but too one-sided, in my opinion... ITA
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» thanks
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» your thoughtful and respectful comments deserved to be appreciated
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» Yes, But ..........
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Posted by: Matamillion on Aug 21, 2009 7:59 AM
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Like we didn't know?
It's just like the ultra corrupt super cheat and his blighted mega lying cronies who just got out of office. Who DIDN'T know Bush was an epic piece of shit destined to smear his signature in the anals of history? And I DO mean anals.
It must be true then, that we were completely at the mercy of every tin horn toady on the take for Bush or better yet any creepy little sycophant who crawled under Cheney's desk.
Who did not know about it?
And what exactly was done about these villains?
NOT A FINGAH!
(name the movie that came from for a dollar discount)
Let's just say they got a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card from our whole venal and rapacious leadership.
So big Pharma is little more than snake oil peddlers and are conducting sanctioned poisoning of our Brave New World, with impunity.
Because it's all of Congress under Pharma's desk today.
Because Pharma shoves so much money down Congress' throat they think they're movie stars.
We The People can just go bark at the moon and here we are barking when we should be rolling over cars & heaving rocks like the Koreans & French. They know how to protest!
No, we sit home & type in little moans & groans while we pop medicine for Ansey Leg or Dim View that we were just charged $85 to eat this month.
We have no one to blame.
We know about WMD.
We know about High Fructose Corn Syrup.
We know about Blackwater.
We know about The Family.
We know about Astro Turf Patriots.
We know about Big Pharma!
WE KNOW THIS!
WTF!
How many times can we be surprised by the same damn bullshit?
How many cracks of the whip does it take to get you pissed?
I know what's wrong. You must be taking the new 300 mg WHATEVS and WHATEVS PM like you were told.
SIDE EFFECTS of WHATEVS.
Long term indifference followed by bouts of inexplicable lassitude.
People taking WHATEVS keep their mouths shut and take a seat.
WHATEVS is not safe for anyone, but WHATEVS?
WHATEVS is your mother, so mind!
You are getting very sleepy...
Everything is fine...
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Posted by: gypsyken on Aug 21, 2009 8:07 AM
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Posted by: ClaudineMe on Aug 21, 2009 8:39 AM
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Great article!
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Posted by: rimchamp77 on Aug 21, 2009 8:40 AM
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People are encouraged not to chill out, slow down and minimize abuse in their lives. They are encouraged to use drugs as a means to enable this pursuit of wealth,fame, and power. That's why we lead the world in consumption of drugs - both those arbitrarily banned and arbitrarily legal. The Columbian and Mexican cartels don't need to advertise. They get free advertising everywhere the quick fix option is promoted to sell more drugs.
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Posted by: SteveA on Aug 21, 2009 8:58 AM
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 21, 2009 11:41 AM
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OK Doctor Freud, how do you cure this with a little pink pill? Chemical castration maybe?
P.S.: pregnancy early in life prevents breast cancer. As long as we can't get rid of the plasticizers and pesticides in our food and water like the Amish have already done (duh!), we might as well coerce entire ninth grade classes of girls to produce surrogate babies for forty-two year old lonely housewives who really shouldn't be in the birth defect factory business. Or, at least the teenies should wet-nurse someone else's baby. This idea may be quite outrageous but it saves lives, doesn't it? Would you want your own child to live a long life as opposed to a shortened life in bed with tubes?
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» RE: Is it adolescent rebellion or “Oppositional Defiant Disorder”?
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Posted by: maxsmart on Aug 21, 2009 12:06 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Aug 21, 2009 12:38 PM
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Yes, there is a systemic problem with schools, parents and "authorities" who insist natural human genetic manifestations (the so-called attention-different adaptive genes--yes, Virginia, they have identified actual alleles in the human gene pool for these things, they are not people's imaginations run amuck) be suppressed in favor of cowed obedient unquestioning dolts. But whose fault is that, rich dumbass? It's yours, owning class. You retain ALL the power, you set up the system and the institutions and decide for the rest of us peasants and serfs. YOU are at fault for that.
BUT there is still such a thing as wiring that has real excesses even in a "healthy" society based on normal broad-spectrum human genetic composition. If you don't get that yet, then get over your dogmatic bullshit! Whenever I hear some yuppie shithead spewing on about how we don't need medication to help with mental illness because there isn't really any mental illness (it's all a big pharma scam) I wanna grab them and choke the living shit out of them. Come to my house and experience the hell, god dammit! Of course you won't because you're too goddamned rich, over-privileged and self-righteous to open your brain to another's experience.
The REAL problem with big pharma is that they are NOT doing the requisite R&D on legitimate meds that actually effectively address the broad continuum of legitimate MI problem areas. The REAL problem with MI and the DSM-IV, etc. is that the legitimate research into brain neuroscience is still woefully underfunded... by whom you ask? Well, it's obvious, the goddamned owning class rich fuckers with all the money. THEY don't want to spend it on legitimate stuff, just bullshit marketing that helps them stay rich, fat and overprivileged.
That they're marketing bullshit to stoopids is just a symptom, not the dis-ease.Stop being distracted by rich people's idiocy and FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS!
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Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 21, 2009 1:00 PM
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The problem is the public just doesn't seem to want to fight back. They sit back and let the pills get shoved down their throats. It is just scary what zombies they have let themselves be turned into.
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Posted by: 3rdI on Aug 21, 2009 2:29 PM
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Posted by: Brb007 on Aug 21, 2009 3:08 PM
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Rather than fixing medical problems and using pain management and wellness clinics, the Docs are all too fast, all too programmed and all to well paid by incentives, to pull out the Rx tablet and write for the pain killer Du Jour, rather than trying other, conservative modalities of treatment.
America has spent and is spending how many billions on it's trumped up War on Drugs? When looking at the numbers of addicts that we encourage and create each year, the only logical assumption that I can find to justify our War on Drugs, is to assure the Government gets it's fees, taxes, percentages and incentives for allowing licensed Physicians to peddle drugs that our FDA controls (supposedly) and regulates.
Over 106,000 people die each year in the US from prescription drugs and many, many more than this end up hospitalized with serious side effects and yet we are more concerned with dropping billions on a BS idea like a war on drugs, than we are holding Pharma, Physicians and the FDA responsible to assure safe treatment and drugs be manufactured and prescribed! While approximately 10000 Americans per year die from the effects of illegal drugs, this bears repeating ... it is estimated that 106000 patients die each year from prescribed, licensed drugs that our FDA permits to be produced, manufactured and prescribed. In all seriousness, who of you truly believe that we do NOT need total health care reform, that would change ALL aspects of our system? The proposals that have been made bearly reach the tip of the proverbial iceberg!
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Posted by: Alenna on Aug 21, 2009 3:18 PM
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People wonder why we didn't have any major protest marches and activism like we did back in the 60s. It's probably because when many people (youth particularly) started feeling "bad" or "depressed", they were told it was something to do with them individually, and they need a drug to make it better. Take a Zoloft and go shopping.
What a great way of controlling the masses and keeping everybody dumb and happy.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 21, 2009 3:55 PM
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Up until the early 20th century or so, adults were considered grown-up enough to buy their own medicine from the general store, the snake-oil salesman, or to cook up their own based on grandma's recipe. Then, the anti-drug nazis decided to regulate the hell out of everything, and now you can barely take an asprin without a prescription.
These dumb-ass commercials blabber on for 10 minutes about side effects, talking to your doctor, and other crap you get from common sense or from reading the bottle because the Nanny State requires them to, not because they enjoy spending their ad budget on extra advertising minutes.
As the article implies, and as philosophers have been saying for thousands of years, only idiots and sociopaths feel at ease in the world. If there's something that might make you feel better, it should be your decision whether or not to do it, whether you have an official "medical disorder" or not. But our culture has decided that you need one in order to feel better.
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Posted by: wireup on Aug 21, 2009 4:46 PM
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I have used alternatives for more than half my life - well over 30+ years - and it is a rarity for me to turn to medication of any kind. If and when I do, it is because I have exhausted all the alternatives available to me. And this is through illnesses and depression. Never once in the years I have been depressed have I resorted to antidepressants or any medication whatsoever. It's simply not worth it. And I have NEVER regretted that decision. Today, after diligent work, the depression has pretty much faded and only rarely returns.
And I am satisfied!
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Posted by: Alenna on Aug 21, 2009 5:04 PM
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I can't help but wonder what great works of art would never have been created if the shrinks and BigPharma had gotten a hold these people. No more Blues or "Sound of Silence" songs - Now we can all be happy and live like the Brady Bunch.
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Posted by: femtobeam on Aug 21, 2009 7:28 PM
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All this from a man, Moon, whose own partners and family have called a rapist and orgy participant. "The tale of the six Mary's", was written by a Moon insider, another book by his daughter in law. The brain studies and what is happening to these people is the big cover-up, all of it intended to sell drugs and further a takeover of land and resources, which is happening now with a rush by China.
In categorizing the situation we are actually in, the correct terms would be occupation and sneak attack of the population over the past 50+ years by implantation in hospitals and network access to our minds and bodies by Moon businesses, organizations and partners. This includes many of the large Multinational Corporations in the so-called New World Order and many of them are victims themselves as are many Government leaders.
We are pointing our fingers at one another rather than the source of mind control objectives. Remember, you cannot hear the subliminal messages. Your family, friends, coworkers and school mates are used against you. The Government does not own the networks. Double-speak is the method. Networks and embedded devices are the means. Fight against the delay tactics. Never take medications unless you are seriously ill. Know your rights, do not sign them away if you are wrongfully incarcerated and refuse meds. You have the rights to your own mind, thoughts, emotions, IP and time. Beware of being used for a profit agenda. The Spirit exists despite the "broadcast alternative". Science is not evil, people enslaving others are evil. Your dreams may not be your own. False memories and sleepwalking and talking is not you. If you look closely, the media has been trying to tell you something. It is all there in films. If you look more closely brain studies are the issue and this is where Big Brother lies in wait.
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Posted by: The Old Hippie on Aug 21, 2009 8:07 PM
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The following two articles give a very good perspective to what we are all facing, particularly we who elected this current administration, an administration that is fast proving to be one of false hope, and no change after all.
(Link to original posting here.)
Obama’s Trust Problem - Paul Krugman
Has Obama Lost the Trust of Progressives, as Krugman Says - Glenn Greenwald
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Posted by: Mathew Trisencusean on Aug 21, 2009 11:12 PM
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Big pharma and the psychiatric profession is doing the same thing to entire societies.Including many,many children.
How can a human being whose personal narrative includes concepts like empathy,or altruism,or love mitigate the affect of an oligarchy that reduces people to statistics,game theory,or profit,a sense of humour?
I suspect that the status quo will bring out the water cannons and rubber bullets before the people change this horrific paradigm.
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Posted by: DougD on Aug 23, 2009 8:19 PM
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There is overwhelming evidence, from human and animal studies, that these disorders all have a strong biological component. In most cases (depression and anxiety), they result from a combination of biochemical imbalances and cognitive/environmental stresses. The biological component appears to be particularly strong in the psychoses. In many cases, these disorders result in tremendous suffering, even to the point of suicide, for their unfortunate victims.
When it comes to therapy, years of research strongly suggest that drugs are effective. In some cases (depression and anxiety), psychotherapy can also be effective. But overall, treatment research suggests that the best approach involves a combination of drugs and psychotherapy. This makes perfect sense given that most causation research suggests that these disorders (anxiety and depression) are caused by an interaction between biology and the environment.
It might seem reasonable that psychological stress causes the biochemical imbalance (it depletes crucial neurotransmitters), and in these cases it would make sense to remove the psychological stress and not worry about drugs. The problem is that we cannot always simply remove these stresses (e.g., a lousy job, marriage, school problems), and often the person is simply too depressed or anxious to even attempt to reduce their stress through behavioral changes. Then a drug intervention would be helpful.
And in other cases, the biochemical imbalance causes the stress. For example, the person might have constitutionally low levels of critical neurotransmitters, making them particularly vulnerable to depletion in stressful environments. In this case, therapy focusing on the stress will not be effective because the underlying biochemical deficit will remain, making the person vulnerable in many "stressful" environments. A drug intervention would be necessary.
I too have little trust of the pharmaceutical industry, and without a doubt modern antidepressant are terribly overpriced. I'm especially concerned about recent TV ads trying to get people who do not respond to an anti-depressant to add an anti-psychotic (abilify) on top of it. The problem is that depression comes in different forms across different people, depending upon the combination of neurotransmitter systems that are out of balance. Because the different anti-depressant medications manipulate different transmitters, a single medication may not prove effective for a specific form of depression. The person has to try different anti-depressants in order to find the one that fits their particular neurotransmitter profile. This should usually be done under the guidance of a psychiatrist, rather than some other type of doctor, and unfortunately, many health plans will discourage psychiatric care.
It is highly misleading to claim that these terrible disorders are not biologically caused and that drugs are not effective in alleviating suffering. In the past, these disorders were viewed as "being possessed by the devil" and eventually as "mental illness". Today, they are viewed as "biochemical imbalances", similar to a number of other "non-mental" disorders such as diabetes.
Science is science. It is extremely important not to conflate science with problems arising from the pharmaceutical industry.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Sep 5, 2009 2:00 PM
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"who will be the new boss, same as the old boss?"
Get the point?
Mommy are we there yet?
This is not turning into an American dream but has become America's worst nightmare.
It's time to wake up America!
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Posted by: the man with a dog on Aug 21, 2009 1:15 AM
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This is robbery on a grand scale and carried out with not a single shot been fired.
Could these companies be recruited to fight our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan saving countless lives?
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Posted by: Suzon on Aug 21, 2009 4:07 AM
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If its royal charter (not available on its website) is like most of the 87 royal charters I've been able to obtain and classify, then the people running it (individuals from Big Pharma, most likely) have been granted the privileges of having special treatment provided by Her Majesty's ministers and protection from Her Majesty's judges, even despite evidence of wrongdoing, specifically "non-recital" (concealment) and "mis-recital" (deception).
No drug companies have been successfully prosecuted for fraud or anything else in the UK. In the case of Thalidomide, the government paid the compensation. In fact there has never been anything like the successful Enron prosecution. A UK Bernie Madoff has a Get Out of Jail Free card.
To imagine that this immunity from punishment has not had a baleful influence elsewhere (especially in the English-speaking world) is not credible.
Because of the privileges of incorporation (the first royal charter of the present dynasty was granted in 1067 to the City of London, the financial district), government is all too often little more than a way to transfer money from our pockets to someone else's. And we don't even know what these guys look like.
A very informative article.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Aug 21, 2009 5:36 AM
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They will create what they must to get you to think that something is wrong with you so that they can sell you some drug at a hyper inflated price but as of this moment in time I do not think there is a pill for LIFE.
Do yourself and society a favor and do not fall for their BS. You may even consider taking less medication instead of more now I'm not talking heart pills and such but those that are over the counter and discretionary.
As far as prescription drugs,"Just say no", when you can.
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Posted by: drricklippin on Aug 21, 2009 6:10 AM
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I was interviewed on the subject of overuse of antidepressants by American workers
American don't need pills- They need sane and safe workplaces!
Fines and lawsuits are not enough.Some CEO's of Big PhRMA companies need to go to jail
Dr. Rick Lippin
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Posted by: susan rosenthal1 on Aug 21, 2009 6:11 AM
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Read Mental Illness or Social Sickness?
and ADD/ADHD: Mental Illness or Social Oppression?
Susan Rosenthal
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Posted by: philosimphy on Aug 21, 2009 6:18 AM
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:enbrel commercial that you'll remember seeing
Well, Amgen has a list of 'Corporate Giving' recipients and most of the big dollar recipients are research places, or convention planners, or medication marketing storefronts... and let me stress that they are not researching "cures" they are researching medicating the symptoms.
On page three of the list, I found where Amgen gave 30 grand to the National Osteoporosis Society to update their website. Check out the website, does that look like 30 grand well spent?
hmph!
posted here already
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Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 21, 2009 7:25 AM
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No one wants to believe that the people in state, local, and federal positions that we've "freely voted" for are screwing us! To cover up their own agenda we're getting pills for everything from erectile dysfunction, weight loss, to a whole host of "faux" mental issues! People, you're not crazy, your stress is real - it is due to the class warfare that has come about with not just tax cuts, but cuts to the very social programs that should be helping us all lift ourselves up!
The real treatment needed in no particular order: (1)enforcement of Corporate taxes @30%, 50% for off-shoring, (2) truly public financing of all elections to help keep our public officials honest, (3)rewriting the rules and regulations to keep Corporate America honest - because left to their own devises they have proven that they cannot be trusted, (4)lowering the tax rate for 90% of Americans that have been getting the shaft on these supposed "tax cuts", (5)a public option on health-care, (6)people making over $2.5million can afford an increased percentage of taxes, (7)re-instating the "death tax", (8)real investment in education, (9)real alternatives to BIG OIL, (10) ending of the WARS, period! Just a few thoughts about the "pills" that we as the people of this nation deserve!
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Posted by: superfeduphoosier on Aug 21, 2009 7:53 AM
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Posted by: Matamillion on Aug 21, 2009 7:59 AM
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Like we didn't know?
It's just like the ultra corrupt super cheat and his blighted mega lying cronies who just got out of office. Who DIDN'T know Bush was an epic piece of shit destined to smear his signature in the anals of history? And I DO mean anals.
It must be true then, that we were completely at the mercy of every tin horn toady on the take for Bush or better yet any creepy little sycophant who crawled under Cheney's desk.
Who did not know about it?
And what exactly was done about these villains?
NOT A FINGAH!
(name the movie that came from for a dollar discount)
Let's just say they got a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card from our whole venal and rapacious leadership.
So big Pharma is little more than snake oil peddlers and are conducting sanctioned poisoning of our Brave New World, with impunity.
Because it's all of Congress under Pharma's desk today.
Because Pharma shoves so much money down Congress' throat they think they're movie stars.
We The People can just go bark at the moon and here we are barking when we should be rolling over cars & heaving rocks like the Koreans & French. They know how to protest!
No, we sit home & type in little moans & groans while we pop medicine for Ansey Leg or Dim View that we were just charged $85 to eat this month.
We have no one to blame.
We know about WMD.
We know about High Fructose Corn Syrup.
We know about Blackwater.
We know about The Family.
We know about Astro Turf Patriots.
We know about Big Pharma!
WE KNOW THIS!
WTF!
How many times can we be surprised by the same damn bullshit?
How many cracks of the whip does it take to get you pissed?
I know what's wrong. You must be taking the new 300 mg WHATEVS and WHATEVS PM like you were told.
SIDE EFFECTS of WHATEVS.
Long term indifference followed by bouts of inexplicable lassitude.
People taking WHATEVS keep their mouths shut and take a seat.
WHATEVS is not safe for anyone, but WHATEVS?
WHATEVS is your mother, so mind!
You are getting very sleepy...
Everything is fine...
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Posted by: ClaudineMe on Aug 21, 2009 8:39 AM
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Great article!
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Posted by: rimchamp77 on Aug 21, 2009 8:40 AM
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People are encouraged not to chill out, slow down and minimize abuse in their lives. They are encouraged to use drugs as a means to enable this pursuit of wealth,fame, and power. That's why we lead the world in consumption of drugs - both those arbitrarily banned and arbitrarily legal. The Columbian and Mexican cartels don't need to advertise. They get free advertising everywhere the quick fix option is promoted to sell more drugs.
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Posted by: PaulK on Aug 21, 2009 11:41 AM
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OK Doctor Freud, how do you cure this with a little pink pill? Chemical castration maybe?
P.S.: pregnancy early in life prevents breast cancer. As long as we can't get rid of the plasticizers and pesticides in our food and water like the Amish have already done (duh!), we might as well coerce entire ninth grade classes of girls to produce surrogate babies for forty-two year old lonely housewives who really shouldn't be in the birth defect factory business. Or, at least the teenies should wet-nurse someone else's baby. This idea may be quite outrageous but it saves lives, doesn't it? Would you want your own child to live a long life as opposed to a shortened life in bed with tubes?
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Posted by: maxsmart on Aug 21, 2009 12:06 PM
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Posted by: DaBear on Aug 21, 2009 12:38 PM
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Yes, there is a systemic problem with schools, parents and "authorities" who insist natural human genetic manifestations (the so-called attention-different adaptive genes--yes, Virginia, they have identified actual alleles in the human gene pool for these things, they are not people's imaginations run amuck) be suppressed in favor of cowed obedient unquestioning dolts. But whose fault is that, rich dumbass? It's yours, owning class. You retain ALL the power, you set up the system and the institutions and decide for the rest of us peasants and serfs. YOU are at fault for that.
BUT there is still such a thing as wiring that has real excesses even in a "healthy" society based on normal broad-spectrum human genetic composition. If you don't get that yet, then get over your dogmatic bullshit! Whenever I hear some yuppie shithead spewing on about how we don't need medication to help with mental illness because there isn't really any mental illness (it's all a big pharma scam) I wanna grab them and choke the living shit out of them. Come to my house and experience the hell, god dammit! Of course you won't because you're too goddamned rich, over-privileged and self-righteous to open your brain to another's experience.
The REAL problem with big pharma is that they are NOT doing the requisite R&D on legitimate meds that actually effectively address the broad continuum of legitimate MI problem areas. The REAL problem with MI and the DSM-IV, etc. is that the legitimate research into brain neuroscience is still woefully underfunded... by whom you ask? Well, it's obvious, the goddamned owning class rich fuckers with all the money. THEY don't want to spend it on legitimate stuff, just bullshit marketing that helps them stay rich, fat and overprivileged.
That they're marketing bullshit to stoopids is just a symptom, not the dis-ease.Stop being distracted by rich people's idiocy and FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS!
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Posted by: Gravitas on Aug 21, 2009 1:00 PM
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The problem is the public just doesn't seem to want to fight back. They sit back and let the pills get shoved down their throats. It is just scary what zombies they have let themselves be turned into.
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Posted by: 3rdI on Aug 21, 2009 2:29 PM
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Posted by: Brb007 on Aug 21, 2009 3:08 PM
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Rather than fixing medical problems and using pain management and wellness clinics, the Docs are all too fast, all too programmed and all to well paid by incentives, to pull out the Rx tablet and write for the pain killer Du Jour, rather than trying other, conservative modalities of treatment.
America has spent and is spending how many billions on it's trumped up War on Drugs? When looking at the numbers of addicts that we encourage and create each year, the only logical assumption that I can find to justify our War on Drugs, is to assure the Government gets it's fees, taxes, percentages and incentives for allowing licensed Physicians to peddle drugs that our FDA controls (supposedly) and regulates.
Over 106,000 people die each year in the US from prescription drugs and many, many more than this end up hospitalized with serious side effects and yet we are more concerned with dropping billions on a BS idea like a war on drugs, than we are holding Pharma, Physicians and the FDA responsible to assure safe treatment and drugs be manufactured and prescribed! While approximately 10000 Americans per year die from the effects of illegal drugs, this bears repeating ... it is estimated that 106000 patients die each year from prescribed, licensed drugs that our FDA permits to be produced, manufactured and prescribed. In all seriousness, who of you truly believe that we do NOT need total health care reform, that would change ALL aspects of our system? The proposals that have been made bearly reach the tip of the proverbial iceberg!
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Posted by: Alenna on Aug 21, 2009 3:18 PM
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People wonder why we didn't have any major protest marches and activism like we did back in the 60s. It's probably because when many people (youth particularly) started feeling "bad" or "depressed", they were told it was something to do with them individually, and they need a drug to make it better. Take a Zoloft and go shopping.
What a great way of controlling the masses and keeping everybody dumb and happy.
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Posted by: kepstein7777 on Aug 21, 2009 3:55 PM
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Up until the early 20th century or so, adults were considered grown-up enough to buy their own medicine from the general store, the snake-oil salesman, or to cook up their own based on grandma's recipe. Then, the anti-drug nazis decided to regulate the hell out of everything, and now you can barely take an asprin without a prescription.
These dumb-ass commercials blabber on for 10 minutes about side effects, talking to your doctor, and other crap you get from common sense or from reading the bottle because the Nanny State requires them to, not because they enjoy spending their ad budget on extra advertising minutes.
As the article implies, and as philosophers have been saying for thousands of years, only idiots and sociopaths feel at ease in the world. If there's something that might make you feel better, it should be your decision whether or not to do it, whether you have an official "medical disorder" or not. But our culture has decided that you need one in order to feel better.
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Posted by: wireup on Aug 21, 2009 4:46 PM
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I have used alternatives for more than half my life - well over 30+ years - and it is a rarity for me to turn to medication of any kind. If and when I do, it is because I have exhausted all the alternatives available to me. And this is through illnesses and depression. Never once in the years I have been depressed have I resorted to antidepressants or any medication whatsoever. It's simply not worth it. And I have NEVER regretted that decision. Today, after diligent work, the depression has pretty much faded and only rarely returns.
And I am satisfied!
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Posted by: Alenna on Aug 21, 2009 5:04 PM
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I can't help but wonder what great works of art would never have been created if the shrinks and BigPharma had gotten a hold these people. No more Blues or "Sound of Silence" songs - Now we can all be happy and live like the Brady Bunch.
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Posted by: femtobeam on Aug 21, 2009 7:28 PM
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All this from a man, Moon, whose own partners and family have called a rapist and orgy participant. "The tale of the six Mary's", was written by a Moon insider, another book by his daughter in law. The brain studies and what is happening to these people is the big cover-up, all of it intended to sell drugs and further a takeover of land and resources, which is happening now with a rush by China.
In categorizing the situation we are actually in, the correct terms would be occupation and sneak attack of the population over the past 50+ years by implantation in hospitals and network access to our minds and bodies by Moon businesses, organizations and partners. This includes many of the large Multinational Corporations in the so-called New World Order and many of them are victims themselves as are many Government leaders.
We are pointing our fingers at one another rather than the source of mind control objectives. Remember, you cannot hear the subliminal messages. Your family, friends, coworkers and school mates are used against you. The Government does not own the networks. Double-speak is the method. Networks and embedded devices are the means. Fight against the delay tactics. Never take medications unless you are seriously ill. Know your rights, do not sign them away if you are wrongfully incarcerated and refuse meds. You have the rights to your own mind, thoughts, emotions, IP and time. Beware of being used for a profit agenda. The Spirit exists despite the "broadcast alternative". Science is not evil, people enslaving others are evil. Your dreams may not be your own. False memories and sleepwalking and talking is not you. If you look closely, the media has been trying to tell you something. It is all there in films. If you look more closely brain studies are the issue and this is where Big Brother lies in wait.
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Posted by: The Old Hippie on Aug 21, 2009 8:07 PM
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The following two articles give a very good perspective to what we are all facing, particularly we who elected this current administration, an administration that is fast proving to be one of false hope, and no change after all.
(Link to original posting here.)
Obama’s Trust Problem - Paul Krugman
Has Obama Lost the Trust of Progressives, as Krugman Says - Glenn Greenwald
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Posted by: Mathew Trisencusean on Aug 21, 2009 11:12 PM
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Big pharma and the psychiatric profession is doing the same thing to entire societies.Including many,many children.
How can a human being whose personal narrative includes concepts like empathy,or altruism,or love mitigate the affect of an oligarchy that reduces people to statistics,game theory,or profit,a sense of humour?
I suspect that the status quo will bring out the water cannons and rubber bullets before the people change this horrific paradigm.
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Posted by: DougD on Aug 23, 2009 8:19 PM
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There is overwhelming evidence, from human and animal studies, that these disorders all have a strong biological component. In most cases (depression and anxiety), they result from a combination of biochemical imbalances and cognitive/environmental stresses. The biological component appears to be particularly strong in the psychoses. In many cases, these disorders result in tremendous suffering, even to the point of suicide, for their unfortunate victims.
When it comes to therapy, years of research strongly suggest that drugs are effective. In some cases (depression and anxiety), psychotherapy can also be effective. But overall, treatment research suggests that the best approach involves a combination of drugs and psychotherapy. This makes perfect sense given that most causation research suggests that these disorders (anxiety and depression) are caused by an interaction between biology and the environment.
It might seem reasonable that psychological stress causes the biochemical imbalance (it depletes crucial neurotransmitters), and in these cases it would make sense to remove the psychological stress and not worry about drugs. The problem is that we cannot always simply remove these stresses (e.g., a lousy job, marriage, school problems), and often the person is simply too depressed or anxious to even attempt to reduce their stress through behavioral changes. Then a drug intervention would be helpful.
And in other cases, the biochemical imbalance causes the stress. For example, the person might have constitutionally low levels of critical neurotransmitters, making them particularly vulnerable to depletion in stressful environments. In this case, therapy focusing on the stress will not be effective because the underlying biochemical deficit will remain, making the person vulnerable in many "stressful" environments. A drug intervention would be necessary.
I too have little trust of the pharmaceutical industry, and without a doubt modern antidepressant are terribly overpriced. I'm especially concerned about recent TV ads trying to get people who do not respond to an anti-depressant to add an anti-psychotic (abilify) on top of it. The problem is that depression comes in different forms across different people, depending upon the combination of neurotransmitter systems that are out of balance. Because the different anti-depressant medications manipulate different transmitters, a single medication may not prove effective for a specific form of depression. The person has to try different anti-depressants in order to find the one that fits their particular neurotransmitter profile. This should usually be done under the guidance of a psychiatrist, rather than some other type of doctor, and unfortunately, many health plans will discourage psychiatric care.
It is highly misleading to claim that these terrible disorders are not biologically caused and that drugs are not effective in alleviating suffering. In the past, these disorders were viewed as "being possessed by the devil" and eventually as "mental illness". Today, they are viewed as "biochemical imbalances", similar to a number of other "non-mental" disorders such as diabetes.
Science is science. It is extremely important not to conflate science with problems arising from the pharmaceutical industry.
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Posted by: gimmie shelter on Sep 5, 2009 2:00 PM
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"who will be the new boss, same as the old boss?"
Get the point?
Mommy are we there yet?
This is not turning into an American dream but has become America's worst nightmare.
It's time to wake up America!
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