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The Epidemic of Pot Arrests in New York City

By Harry G. Levine , AlterNet. Posted August 10, 2009.


Marijuana possession is legally decriminalized in NY State. Nonetheless, NY City makes more pot arrests than any city in the world. How do they do it?

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There are two things that need to be understood about marijuana arrests in New York City.

First, possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is not a crime in New York State. Since 1977 and passage of the Marijuana Reform Act, state law has made simple possession of less than seventh-eights of an ounce of pot a violation, like a traffic violation. One can be given a ticket and fined $100 for marijuana possession, but not fingerprinted and jailed. For over thirty years, New York State has formally, legally, decriminalized possession of marijuana.

Second, despite that law, since 1997 the New York City Police Department has arrested 430,000 people for possessing small amounts of marijuana, mostly teenagers and young people in their twenties. Most people arrested were not smoking pot. Usually they just carried a bit of it in a pocket. In 2008 alone, the NYPD arrested and jailed 40,300 people for possessing a small amount of marijuana. These extraordinary numbers of arrests and jailings, continuing for over twelve years, now make New York City the marijuana arrest capital of the world.

The arrests for marijuana possession first increased dramatically under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. They have continued unabated under Mayor Michael Bloomberg. By 2008 Bloomberg had arrested more people for pot possession than Giuliani, and more than other mayor in the world.

Why has the NYPD continued to order narcotics and patrol officers to make so many misdemeanor pot arrests? For many reasons. The arrests are easy, safe, and provide training for new officers. The arrests gain overtime pay for patrol and narcotics police and their supervisors. The pot arrests allow officers to show productivity, which counts for promotions and choice assignments. Marijuana arrests enable the NYPD to obtain fingerprints, photographs and other data on many young people they would not otherwise have in their criminal justice databases. And there is very little public criticism and thus far no political opposition to New York City's marijuana arrest crusade.

Do the pot arrests reduce serious and violent crimes? No, if anything they increase other crimes. Professors Harcourt and Ludwig at the University of Chicago Law School analyzed NYPD data and concluded that the pot possession arrests took officers off the street and distracted them from other crime-fighting activities. "New York City’s marijuana policing strategy," they reported, "is having exactly the wrong effect on serious crime – increasing it, rather than decreasing it.” Veteran police officers agree terming the possession arrests "a waste of time." The arrests drain resources not just of police, but also of courts, jails, prosecutors and public defenders.

Perhaps most appalling is who the police are arresting for marijuana possession. U.S. government studies have consistently found that young whites use marijuana at higher rates than do young blacks or Latinos. But the NYPD has long arrested young blacks and Latinos for pot possession at much higher rates than whites.

In 2008, blacks were about 26% of New York City's population, but over 54% of the people arrested for pot possession. Latinos were about 27% of New Yorkers, but 33% of the pot arrestees. Whites were over 35% of the City's population, but less than 10% of the people arrested for possessing marijuana. In 2008, police arrested Latinos for pot possession at four times the rate of whites, and blacks at seven times the rate of whites.

Do the arrests violate New York State's decriminalization law? Yes and no. Yes, they certainly violate the spirit and intent of the 1977 law which explicitly sought to eliminate the pot possession arrests and the stigma of criminal records, especially for young people. And yes, some police, in particular narcotics squads, do make some illegal searches and arrests.

But no, most of the arrests are probably technically legal. The NYPD has found easy ways to trick or intimidate young people so they allow a search, or even just take out their marijuana and hand it over to the officers.

Here's how the police do it. NYPD commanders direct officers to stop and question many young people and make arrests for possessing "contraband." In 2008, the NYPD made more than half a million recorded stop and frisks and an unknown number of unrecorded stops, disproportionately in black, Latino and low-income neighborhoods. By far, the most common contraband young people might possess is a small amount of marijuana.

According to U.S. Supreme Court decisions, police are allowed to thoroughly pat down the outside of someone's clothing looking for a gun, which is bulky and easy to detect. But police cannot legally search inside a person's pockets and belongings without permission or probable cause.

However, police officers can legally make false statements to people they stop, and officers can trick people into revealing things. So in a stern, authoritative voice, NYPD officers will say to the young people they stop:

"We're going to have to search you. If you have anything illegal you should show it to us now. If we find something when we search you, you'll have to spend the night in jail. But if you show us what you have now, maybe we can just give you a ticket. And if it’s nothing but a little weed, maybe we can let you go. So if you’ve got anything you’re not supposed to have, take it out and show it now.”


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Harry G. Levine is a professor of sociology at Queens College, City University of New York. He is the coauthor of Crack in America: Demon Drugs and Social Justice, and of the NYCLU report: Marijuana Arrest Crusade: Racial Bias and Police Policy in New York City, 1997-2007.

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Wow!
Posted by: talkville on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 AM   
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If paragraph 2 is correct, then paragraph 3 describes the blatantly un-lawful practice of the Police Dept., sanctioned by its government.

What does one do about these illegals?

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» RE: How to get cops to follow the law Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Wow! Posted by: Pegaleg
» RE: Wow! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Wow! Posted by: talkville
observer
Posted by: davy on Aug 10, 2009 2:56 AM   
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It's all about the numbers, the WIRE showed us this. Since when have politicians actually worked for the people and not themselves?? Whom ever said a country divided against itself can not stand was right on the money. From where I'm sitting, across the pond, the division is palpable. 70% of the people are for the people, the other 30% have become so steeped in fear they believe anything they hear and have not the discernment to see the glen becks for what they are, shills. Come on 70%ers !!!

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Surely this is entrapment?
Posted by: begruntleed on Aug 10, 2009 3:11 AM   
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Well, not even entrapment. These people are doing something that a police officer is telling them to do, and then being arrested for doing it.

Surely any competent lawyer would get them off for this? I mean, I am cynical, but I just cannot believe that it can be a criminal offence to obey a cops instructions - especially when it is a criminal offence not to!

Is this whole thing just about black kids not having lawyers?

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» aye, entrapment Posted by: permanentilt
» RE: aye, entrapment Posted by: mtatasmith
» RE: aye, entrapment Posted by: MT512
Make smoking anything illegal
Posted by: spencerh on Aug 10, 2009 3:20 AM   
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and legalize everything else - whether inhaled, injected, swallowed or absorbed - all drugs. The only places you should be allowed to smoke are designated private smoking facilities with air filtration systems. I cannot refuse or consent to inhaling smoke (and where I live, it's a constant assault on your respiratory system). Otherwise, just legalize and regulate; you should have to go through a lengthy process to determine whether you're fit to use drugs (including alcohol) and you'd have to sign consent forms, and agree that any costs incurred due to potential addiction are your own and will not be borne by the state (except addiction programs themselves, of course). If you agree, you're sold drugs by state-chartered companies that are tightly regulated, including pricing, to eliminate the black market.

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» Oh yes, gazooks, and you forgot Posted by: paulmagillsmith
» RE: Oh yes, gazooks, and you forgot Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Tired of having your constitutional rights trampled by NYPD?
Posted by: greenferret on Aug 10, 2009 3:50 AM   
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So is Green Party candidate for mayor Billy Talen, better known as Reverend Billy. He was arrested by the NYPD in 2007 for reciting the First Amendment in Union Square. Now he's the only candidate for mayor talking about the NYPD's racist 'stop-and-frisk' tactics and other unconstitutional policies.

Find out more at VoteRevBilly.org

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Is this what Americans want their police to be doing?
Posted by: gazooks on Aug 10, 2009 3:53 AM   
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Does it matter what Americans want their police to be doing?

Let's be clear, if it's not clear enough already. We live in a police state.

What you want, what I want isn't of consequence. We are ruled by elites that will continue to do what they want proportionate to their economic status and political connections. If there is any question now after the patronage to banking, suppression of public dissent and usurpation of the press, grotesque examples of official arrogance and blatancy of misrepresentation, distortion and outright lies, and finally, the unmistakable co-opting of the man that would be hope, then you're just not paying critical attention.

You, your wants and needs as citizens, regardless of reasonableness and sensibility and justice, do not matter. Face it.

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I FIND IT IRONIC THAT...
Posted by: AZLBRAX07 on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 AM   
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...O-BUM-a and Bloomberg BOTH admit to smoking Cannabis in the past.

I guess that these hypocrites prove that there is one set of laws for them and another set of laws for us, peasants.

Then again, why should I be surprised? After all: they're both career POLITICIANS...and isn't "politician" just another word for "liar"?

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» RE: Mika LOVES Bloomberg Posted by: Sister_Lauren
RE: crazy
Posted by: MT512 on Aug 10, 2009 7:50 AM   
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In the article they explain how they get around it. They lie to you to get you to voluntarily show them your small amount of marijuana. Then having it out in the open is what makes it a crime there.

The right thing for the person to do in such a case is submit to a pat-down search (they have no choice on that really). If the cop feels the bag and asks "what's that?" you should just say "it is not a weapon" because that's all they can legally search for with the pat-down. The Fourth Amendment still stands--they must have probable cause, like they can smell it, or maybe saw you stuffing it into your pocket before approaching you, to actually search inside your pockets or purse (or car or home).

But to me the real kicker is I never knew this was officially the truth until reading this article (it's always been apparent in practice):

"...police officers can legally make false statements to people they stop..."

That's amazing! So a cop directing traffic in the middle of an intersection could wave you through the intersection against a red light, then ticket you for running the red light?!

I dream of a day when cops are just regular people, and they are not given any special rights, which they currently have IN SPADES.

Wouldn't it be nice to be a Superman-like superhero and just tell the cops, "Hey, try to take it from me!" Imagine that Superman is stopped for having a joint, but being Superman, decides the law is wrong and he's going to keep it, and maybe smoke it right there. Eventually you'd have the entire police department and National Guard out there on that street corner. The police state would escalate the situation to nothing less than war on Superman over a silly misdemeanor. Then he can just fly away, giving them all the middle finger. Of course, then they'd call in the F-22s and put NORAD on alert.

All they know, the only language they speak, is force.

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» RE: Real reason for DARE Posted by: MT512
Just more un Amercan Justus
Posted by: Steven Eisenhauer on Aug 10, 2009 5:13 AM   
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We are slowly losing our freedom, and this is just other way they do it. Plus its a easy bust, and good money for the cops, with no regard what it douse to the citizen.

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They are arresting the Wrong People
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 10, 2009 5:25 AM   
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Instead of pot head,read this amazing article and tell me who should they be arresting!

http://americaspeaksink.com/?s=food+a+scam

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New York City's Nazi Police state
Posted by: coolrayfruge on Aug 10, 2009 6:11 AM   
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This is a show of total abuse of power.
Their just showing what a police state we live in flexing their Corperate America Nazi socialist mantality.
Cowards,are you to affraid to go after the real crimmals commiting acts of voilance and vandelism or what!.
Lets pick on a smoker its safer.
Gee officer Bill did you catch any violent crimminals today? no! but I harassed and arrested a innocent pot smoker.
Got my ticket quota up today!
Thats good! keep that money rolling in.

the Police have become no more than a bunch of thugs with a badge.
Who's protecting us from the Police.
Surely not the corrupted Politicians.

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» RE: San Francisco Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Pot Smokers Are Feared.
Posted by: melpol on Aug 10, 2009 6:24 AM   
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We cannot blame the cops for the large amount of pot arrests,they are just enforcing an unpopular law. The blame must be put on the system that disregards the rights of the individual to get high. Pot smokers are loners and have private lives. This type of personality is not welcome by the power structure. Uniformity and conformity is demanded by a Fascist government.

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» RE: Pot Smokers Are Feared. Posted by: EJLima
» RE: Pot Smokers Are loners Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Pot Smokers Are loners, that's BS Posted by: paulmagillsmith
Why doesn't corporatist Mayor Bloomberg end these illicit, make-work arrests???
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Aug 10, 2009 7:31 AM   
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As I've said before:

The phony, endless war on drugs, especially marijuana, has ruined many people's lives while providing police departments, lawyers, judges, the prison industry, DEA, etc., all sorts of job security, bonuses, overtime pay, ever increasing revenue & powers, their own smuggling/dealing/money-laundering opportunities, etc.!!! (And this is just the tip of the rotten, corrupt iceberg!)

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GEEZ, no wonder it costs 500 dollars an ounce!!!!
Posted by: xvictor on Aug 10, 2009 7:33 AM   
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It costs virtualy little to raise marijuana. The biggest profit in selling marijuana is RISK!! It's because of risk that I'm forced to pay 500 dollars instead of 50 dollars for an ounce of primo. sometimes even crap pot costs the same.

Thx a lot NYPD. All you did was make selling pot even more profitable for the pot dealers, despite busting and fining them.

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Follow the Money
Posted by: kettleblack on Aug 10, 2009 7:52 AM   
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Another demonstration of why police have a conflict of interest regarding legalization of marijuana: Free Federal Money and all the loose change out of the little guy's pockets.
It's hard for these po-lice departments to turn down Billions of Federal Dollars to promote Federal Prohibition and Official Lies.
The police are disregarding the clear intent of the law for easy profits. Easy on-the-job training arresting potheads (not hazardous like dealing with cranksters).
The po-lice have abused their legal right to lie in order to entrap regular people, and now regular people don't trust cops. And the cops wonder why nobody trusts them anymore.
The police have no interest in killing their cash cow - continue the "war" on drug(gies)!
Oh yeah, the po-lice get their paychecks from who? You and me via taxes. Wow. Getting paid from both sides. Such a deal.
Taking shortcuts to easy money seem to always leave the rest of us with the short end of the deal.
Are we being scammed?
When did police change their social presence from background to centerstage? They used to protect our way of living. Now, they are telling us how to live.

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» RE: Follow the Money Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Giuliani's Legacy
Posted by: Defenestrator on Aug 10, 2009 8:05 AM   
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» RE: Giuliani's Legacy Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Because it is all about religion Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Bloomberg's worse Posted by: tommy_slothrop
Blowing A Joint Unmolested.
Posted by: melpol on Aug 10, 2009 8:53 AM   
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Many Potheads live in fear of arrest and destroyed careers. That fear expands to hating the police and government that interferes with their lifestyle. There are over 35 million potheads in the U.S. and their numbers are expanding. The next revolution will not be for economic freedom but for the liberty to smoke a weed unmolested.

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» RE: Blowing A Joint Unmolested. Posted by: richholland
darkmark
Posted by: darkmark on Aug 10, 2009 10:00 AM   
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cops lie. don't go thinking otherwise. cops lie. they are just poorly educated working class men and women that deal with their job based on their poor education and the huge authority that has been placed in their hands.

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So What?? It Does Not Matter What the Cops Think...
Posted by: picket on Aug 10, 2009 11:09 AM   
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...they follow orders, even so their unions have power to lobby Congress, and not on positive drug policy reform.

What matters is that the Obama Administration needs to tell the Drug Czar that the DEA need not stand in the way of rescheduling MJ to Schedule III. That is a start.

In the Raich v Gonzalez 2005 decision, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens in voting against basically said go talk to your Congress, the Lawmakers, they make the Laws.

Our Lawmakers only appear to listen at election time. The rest of the time their hands are over their ears, lalalalalalalala. The adult population that advocates for drug reform are treated like naughty children, be seen BUT NOT heard.

Read the most recent Chris Hedges article. Progressives know the truth. We have been duped by both the Republicans and the Democrats. They and their "friends" are in the minority but they rule and control.

Third Party Leaders need to hold a Convention ASAP and combine efforts, write a platform , choose a viable candidate, hate to say it but reality is a candidate who is [smart, squeaky clean, good-looking] it DOES matter, in this materialistic society.

Internet supporters will contribute and start advertisements NOW, ASAP!!!

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jamal49
Posted by: chirho33 on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM   
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What this article shows is just how lazy the NYPD really is. Pot arrests are the lowest form of arrests but they're the ones that pad a cop's arrest and summons-issued records. I've seen NYC cops bust people for pot, meanwhile the next block over there is blatant drug-dealing (the felony kind) and prostitution. Mention it to them (like I did, once) and they get VERY hostile. One of the pot-cops busting these young guys for pot shoved me in the chest and then took his night-stick and started to poke me on the forehead, telling me to "get my ass outa here and mind my own f*cking business if I know what's good for me". NYPD cops are assholes, utter assholes--lazy, fat, whiny, devious assholes.

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Mr.
Posted by: Gerald on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM   
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The answer to your last paragraph question is an emphatic "Yes". Police have become experts in media manipulation and thereby become (can do no wrong) heros.
The irony is that the drug war increases drug trafficking profits thereby creating incentives for traffickers and Mexican based cartels. The latter is producing havoc and disorder in Mexico and many cities in the U.S. while bankrupting our Criminal Justice system here.

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Arresting minorities
Posted by: hedgewytch on Aug 10, 2009 11:58 AM   
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is another way to insure that the arrest sticks. It's the person with the best lawyer who wins. (Which is mostly white guys in this country.) Guilty or not, if you're arrested they will "plea deal" with you; and if you don't have a good lawyer you can kiss your ass goodbye. So, arrest the poor minorities; they rarely have the smarts or the wherewithall to fight back.

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bouffardwa
Posted by: bouffardwa on Aug 10, 2009 12:12 PM   
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Insanity is commonly used as a diguise for a well thought out plan to accomplish a goal that would be crystal clear, without the diversion. My dad,(now passed), would have said" follow the money".This is not a new idea of course. The drug interdiction industry is not hidden in the least,and the fear of fighting this industry is well founded. Bravery in this arena simply creats "marked" martyers of all who try.Forums like this are great for venting,but do little to change any thing." The field will never get ploughed, if we simply keep turning it over in our mind"
UNITED revolution is what is called for.This is a call to arms. Knowledgeable leaders, of all apropriate skills, form our armies, and we will follow.No,I'm not talking guns and bombs. We pot smokers find ourselves talking about God,and ending world hunger.But we have to stop thinking of ourselves as 36 million individuals, but as an army 36 million strong( I suspect many more)

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Again, everyone forgot about Big 2Wackgo
Posted by: tokerdesigner on Aug 10, 2009 6:01 PM   
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Having read both the article and the main comments (this library computer eats up too much time going after the subcomments) I am struck by the failure to track down this connection: "It's the taxes, stupid!"

SCHIP

Some congratulated themselves that the national administration was finally going to do something about hot burning overdose nicotine cigarette addiction, the no. 1 genocide conspiracy in the history of the planet, and some statistics were trotted out that raising cigarette taxes lowers consumption, but...

Cannabis Suppression is How Government Repays The Tobacco Industry For All That Tax Money! Do the due diligence and go on line and track down (a) how many billions are collected in cigarette tax money, and (b) how much the government then spends on these cannabis arrests!

Republicans in particular

Though Bloomberg has made generous gestures with his own money (well, he has plenty to spare), including teaming up with Gates to form a $500-mil. anti-tobacco program, he either won't or can't do anything about this NYC arrest plague. He has various reasons, apparently, to claim to be a Republican. Meanwhile, since the 1960's, the Nixon "Southern Strategy" and the transfer of key tobacco oligarchs-- Reagan, Sinatra, Helms-- from the Democrat to Republican side, the Republican Party has gotten at least 2/3 of the tobacco campaign contributions. The figures don't appear that large, until you realize that each politician who accepts any of the money has given the Industry implied permission to send well-trained, well-groomed young attractive men and women (known popularly as lobbyists-- that means, law-buy-ists) to schmooze and hang out and "influence" the politician and her/his staff members.

And the War on Drugs (i.e. Against Cannabis) is clearly the number one thing politicians do to help Big 2Wackgo.

Banning cannabis is a stratagem to brting about de facto banning of what Big 2Wackgo REALLY fears: the Downdosage Revolution. When it's no longer dangerous to carry a long-stemmed one-hitter (25-mg. serving size), which is harder to hide from the cop than a 500-mg. hot burning overdose joint, the hot burning overdose nicotine cigarette format, basis of their profit margin, is doomed.

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answer
Posted by: what on Aug 10, 2009 11:35 PM   
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Source

Do I have to answer the questions asked by the police?

You have the constitutional right to remain silent. It is not a criminal act to refuse to answer questions. It is a good idea to talk to a lawyer before agreeing to answer questions. You do not have to talk to anyone, even if you have been arrested or are in jail. Only a judge can order you to answer questions.

Can I talk to a lawyer?

You have the right to talk to a lawyer before you answer questions, whether or not the police inform you of that right. The job of a criminal lawyer is to protect your rights. Once you say that you want to talk to an attorney, officers should stop asking you questions. Even if you do not have a lawyer, you may still tell the officer you want to speak with one before answering questions. If you have a lawyer, keep his or her business card with you. Show it to the officer, and ask to call your lawyer. Remember to get the name, agency and telephone number of any investigator who visits you, and give that information to your lawyer.

Can the police search my home or office?

The police, or other law enforcement agents, cannot search your home unless you give them permission, or unless they have a search warrant. A search warrant is a court order that allows the police to conduct a specified search. Interfering with the search probably will not stop it and you might get arrested. But you should say clearly that you have not given your consent and that the search is against your wishes. Your roommate or guest can legally consent to a search of your house if the police believe that person has the authority to give consent. Police and law enforcement need a warrant to search an office, but your employer can consent to a search of your workspace without your permission.

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Treason
Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 6:15 AM   
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By diverting limited security resources from real crime and terrorism deterrence with these trumped up pot stops and arrests Mayor Bloomberg is effectively giving America's enemies, both foreign and domestic, "aid and comfort".

Jim Crow over-enforcement of the pot laws subverts our democracy and threatens our public safety and national security.

IMPEACH MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG FOR TREASON!!!

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Drug War is Jim Crow Subversion of U.S. democracy
Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 6:31 AM   
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Jim crow stood on two legs prior to 1965. One was direct denial of access to voting and the polling process. the 1965 Voting Rights Act pretty much leveled the playing field on that problem.

The other leg of Jim Crow was much more invidious, trumped up morals laws, like drug laws, to mass electorally disenfranchise people and their communities. Richard Nixon, in collusion with the Dixie-crats in congress in 1970, re-invigorated and federalized this gangrenous leg of Jim Crow with the Controlled Substances Act which is the founding law of the modern war on drugs.

"[President Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." H.R. Haldeman's diary according to former Wall Street Journal reporter Dan Baum in his book "Smoke and Mirrors".

The war on drugs was then, and still is today, that "system".

This is how Mike Bloomberg, and all right-wing authoritarians, stay in office.

Just ask the average under-educated kid with a drug conviction if they know their voting rights. they will tell you they have no such rights. Forget the truth that in many states they do have rights once freed from criminal sanction, their lack of knowledge and education is the controlling factor.

Use of any illegal intoxicant is a litmus test and disinfectant for political nonconformity. People willing to question the drug laws by using might be as likely to question other dogma and dictates of the right-wing that dominates the phony two party system in America. Once a potential nonconformist is identified by their possessions they are disinfected from the authoritarian body politic of America with criminal disenfranchisement.

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REAL SOLUTION
Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 7:24 AM   
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Ending the war on drugs is the only real solution. That can only be achieved in the United States congress.

Marijuana legalization at the federal level is another more short term solution.

H.R. 2943 To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for personal use... Please consider writing to your representative and asking that they support this bill. Tell your congress-people, in no uncertain terms, that you want this bill passed this year.

Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia authored S-714 to create a national criminal justice commission to look into all aspects of the use of America's criminal justice system. Sen. Webb has even indicated that marijuana legalization is "On the table"

Thus far 33 senators have signed on to Sen. Webb's S-714 as co-sponsors. S-714 tally sheet of senators thus far co-sponsoring the bill. The bill needs all the support it can get because drug war supporters have offered a counter bill in the House of Representative.

H.R. 2943 To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for personal use... Please consider writing to your representative and asking that they support this bill.

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How do they do it???
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Aug 11, 2009 8:06 AM   
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Well, having lots of corrupt police is a good start.

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Home, home on the range
Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 9:22 AM   
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Oh give me a home
where the DEA roam.
and the police and prison state reigns.
Where never is heard
The democracy word.
And the rule of law's
Flushed down the drain.
Home, home,
Police state.
The people have no real say.
The cops say the word,
and the people, as a herd,
go to jail,
with their lives turned to rot.

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Did you Guys know...
Posted by: BCcovers on Aug 11, 2009 10:35 AM   
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That at the turn of the 20th Century it was regarded as a right for you to put whatever you want into your body. Not only a right, but a Constitutional Right at that. You see, the Bill of Rights and Constitution did not outline what the individual can and cannot do as most understand it today. It gave guidelinbes and boundaries to what your GOVERNMENT can and cannot do to the individual. It is clearly stated in the Bill of Rights that any duty or right not clearly outlined in the document as being the responsibility of the government are left to the people and the states.

We have to work on "turning back the clock" on these usurpers of the people's powers for the last century. It will take awhile, but we have to start working now. WE the people have slowly allowed our rights to be widdled away with the promise of safety and commodius living. The war on drugs progressives avow to detest so much now is a direct result of a philosophy that disregards individual freedoms and looks to a large, all-powerful government as the answer to all of society's ills. We have seen how moving towards these socialist programs and philosophies have hampered our constitutional rights throughout the years; let's put an end to it now. You can kiss legalize pot good-bye should national health care ever be implemented. Not only will the war on drugs not be stopped, but we will also see many other freedoms drift away from the individual. History has proven this. We have to reverse the course now; or perhaps 100 years from now, people will wonder how we lived with such "extreme" freedom of speech.

Of course I'll probably get called a troll, hate monger, and a racist (I don't see the connection but any criticism of our pres is met with such an outcry here). But these people hurling the accusations are simply accomplises to the erosion of our freedoms as Americans. They are the people desiring MORE governemnt control of your life, and less freedom for you.

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Legalize it
Posted by: xmvince on Aug 12, 2009 2:22 PM   
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Grow up, learn to respect others and legalize weed. It's a right I was born with - not something a bunch of power hungry assholes can take away from me. Did the government create life? NO! Should they be able to govern what I put into my own body? NO!!

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A base economic move
Posted by: socrates2 on Aug 12, 2009 4:29 PM   
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My good man, Econ 101, "You get what you _subsidize_."
The Feds are paying for these hundreds of thousand of busts.
Each "bust" usually turns over a "measly" $100.00 fine to the city. Those fines add up in the city coffers. The money adds a healthy reserve to the budget.
Collateral consequences: an isolated MJ "perp" here or there may actually have evidence of a more serious crime. The cops gamble on it.
Bingo!
The MJ harassed "perps" will tend to avoid future contacts with cops, get off the streets, and the city "gets cleaned up of undesireable elements." Voila!
Less "profile perps" to distract the cops from the _real_ "perps" who may pay "street fines" to the "City's Finest" to be left alone to commit...?
The cops "gamble" on judge's _believing_ that the cops uttered that talismantic phrase, "voluntarily show us your stash" just _before_ the "perp" displayed his joints or baggy. Dollars to doughnuts it was an unconsented frisk and search and the cop writes otherwise in his report. But, hey, the judge gets paid to believe "a sincere officer" whose entire job is to stop crime on its tracks, "with no motive to lie about a perfect stranger...and the officer would not risk his career and pension by committing perjury."
Yeah, and there's never a camcorder around when you need one either...
Overall, this unwarranted police action is an _economic-based_ move that benefits everyone, except those who take our Constitution seriously.

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LEAP stands up to this.(there are some rational alternatives)
Posted by: dougontrack on Aug 13, 2009 9:24 AM   
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Which is why I do support.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php


S.714,the National Criminal Justice Commission Act
http://ow.ly/jX0Q

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micko
Posted by: micko on Aug 14, 2009 4:29 PM   
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It's why I never set foot in NYC. Its cops have always been criminals with badges, and apparently always will be. I don't smoke; it's the principle of the thing, a way of standing with harmless people who prefer a harmless substance over cigarettes and alcohol. That, and utter disgust.

Why the State lets those goons get away with what they do is quite beyond all common sense. Most "law enforcement" has made a mockery of "protecting the people" in great part due to the egregious war on drugs, which has armed them like occupying armies and allowed them free rein to commit such unconstitutional acts as home invasions, false witness, murder, you name it. Even if they are video-taped committing atrocities, they stand together in perjury and destruction of evidence, including those video tapes. NYC is just the worst, or at least one of the very worst.

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We get what we accept
Posted by: talkville on Aug 14, 2009 8:36 PM   
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As long as we accept that Law is grounded in Morality, it might be possible -- due to our immense and un-deniable powers of Calculation and Mathematics -- be able to be Rationalized.

It will never be Reasonable.

We've got the Private-Public Partnership Government we deserve.

First, we must all focus on the Lawyers. Are they Medieval Scholastics? Or Moderns?

What are we?

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Don't Ever Believe Them, Don't Bust Yourself!
Posted by: Chet Mozart on Aug 15, 2009 1:44 PM   
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It's not just NYC. They all know the 'Hand-over-what-you-got-and-we'll-let-you-go' scam. They got me with that in Virginia across the river from DC six years ago. They did not let me go. They took me down to the station, processed me and then drove me back to my car and let me drive myself home, so they didn't consider me a danger, just bustable.

It's a scam, like the rest of the God Damn War On Us- er, On Drugs.

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If you get a felony drug charge you can't vote can't get housing can't get food stamps can't get
Posted by: RR#1 on Aug 15, 2009 3:29 PM   
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a scholarship and god knows what else. The drugs laws enforce a system of aparthied for blacks and poor whites and other poor minorities. That is what it is all about. Just started watching a movie called American Violet, I suggest everyone who can do the same. It won at Sundance.
Cheers,
RR

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I'm confused
Posted by: sicntired on Aug 16, 2009 3:07 AM   
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The article begins by explaining how possession of small amounts of pot are not a criminal act but goes on to claim that police are arresting and fingerprinting people against the reform act?Am I crazy or are the police breaking the law?

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too late
Posted by: sicntired on Aug 16, 2009 3:16 AM   
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I get it now,sorry,I missed p-2 which explains the catch 22 that the police use to make these arrests.What a waste of taxpayer money.This is why the drug war is so futile and useless.This is why people have zero respect for the police and why advocates for real reform weary of the efforts to make real change.If a law can be twisted like this,and the history of drug laws contain countless such travesty's,what's the point?This is a cynical cash grab that has the side action of ruining a person's life.Nice work.

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another Obama sellout
Posted by: sicntired on Aug 16, 2009 3:30 AM   
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Does anyone remember the mood when Obama first began his run for president and was going to eliminate drug raids on medical marijuana dispensaries?Who knew he was arm in arm with Biden back then?Why didn't they tell the rest of us?Biden is a known drug warrior and now we find out Obama is in lockstep.The 2 billion in Byrn grants pales in comparison to the 200 billion for other drug war efforts.

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Terrytom: Here's the deal.
Posted by: Terrytom on Aug 16, 2009 7:07 AM   
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Here’s the deal. As I was reading the article I was thinking this must come down from the top as most things do.
For decades the drug war has never been about improving the lives of the majority of Americans, as is the pious claim. Study the harm to so many young people caused by the arrests. Then into the article a little way came the revealing information. The arrests and resulting costs are bourn by the Federal Government. An ah ha moment for sure! What we are witnessing almost w/o any notice or protest is the destruction of many of the rights, liberties, opportunities and responsibilities of millions of citizens. This is part of the master plan to militarize and subjugate us. It all ties in with the wage reduction of so many workers, the lack of health care and on and on. As has been clearly described in other Alternet articles we are fast becoming a Fascist nation and all the horrors that will include. “Officer friendly” is not our friend; he/they will heroically save a child for good TV PR to only later arrest and abuse him. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. The incredible criminals and thieves are running wild w/o consequences; “impeachment is off the table” “We must look forward not backward.” “Single payer health care is off the table.” It may be too late but we must rise up and protest the myriad of injustices and subjugation occurring at this moment. Nationwide strikes might help.

Terrytom

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Legalize Pot
Posted by: rrrbert on Sep 5, 2009 4:54 AM   
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There's just no question they should legalize pot. Really what's the worst that will happen? Legalize Pot
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