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Skip Gates: The Ivy League Is Not Real Life

Would we -- or Gates -- care if this story had happened to a plumber? Probably not.
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Editor's note: The person who submitted this piece to "This Week in Blackness" published it under the pseudonym "a Phantom Negro" because "Dr. Henry Louis Gates has reach and influence in the academy."

The Ivy League is not real life. College in general is not real life, and the Ivy League is a more fantastic version of college. The amenities are better, the rules are flexible and everyone, student and faculty alike, is well aware that the realities of life as most people know it are merely a peculiar footnote to the day to day of campus life. I do not speak out of turn when I say this. I know because I am in and of that world.

As a Black Ivy Leaguer, something funny happens as you become ensconced in ivy. You’re smart enough to understand that race and racism is a reality, you deal with on a daily basis, but you also know that your university ID sets you apart. Does this mean you are kept from hurtful incidents? No, but it is to say that much of the outrage felt at a racial slight is replaced by outrage at a class slight. Sure; we get pissed, knowing we’re getting hassled because we’re Black, but the real indignation comes from being hassled as members of an elite group. How dare you hassle me? I go to school here. I got to work here. That second part of the thought is always present. I go to school here. I go to work here. When the Ivy League Effect is going full tilt, our Black compass gets confused; the realities we know to exist become other peoples’ problems.

True story: One night, years ago, many of the Black students at school were throwing a party in a dormitory common area when three police officers arrived, flashlights searching the crowd. Nobody moved, nobody left, nobody did anything but keep dancing as three police officers walked through the crowd, flashlights in faces. I didn’t run either. In fact, I wondered if they were chasing someone on foot and wondered if they’d run into the party.

That could only happen in the Ivy League. Three cops come into a party and nobody, surreptitiously or otherwise, made for an exit? It seems like the beginning of a joke. On one hand, you could argue that this is a sign of progress; a sign that we’ve moved past the days of fearing police presence. I say that quasi-luxury is brought on by the muscle backing these students (and, by extension, the faculty) -- the school. All the lessons about dealing with police as a Black person seem to have no place in the Ivory Tower. We can forget those lessons because, more than we’re Black in America, we’re Ivy Leaguers.

Which brings me to Skip Gates. He isn’t outraged because he feels he was the victim of racial profiling by the police (that dubious honor goes to his foolish neighbor). He’s outraged because he was the victim of class profiling. He didn’t resent being identitified as Black; he resented being identified as that kind of Black, the kind of Black that can be hassled and pushed around by simpleton cops. How dare you hassle me? I’m Skip Gates: Harvard professor!

Skip has fallen victim to the Ivy League Effect. Check out his articles–you can definitely go to The Root–the website he is Editor-in-Chief of–if you want to see a repository for the whole masturbatory display. He all but says, “Do I look like that type of (Black) person? I was wearing a blazer and a polo shirt!” Gates is Ivy League pissed with a dash of Black anger. Not the other way around. Is this to say the police weren’t in the wrong? Hardly. As a person is familiar with the Cambridge/Boston PD, the prospect of some procedural malfeasance on their part is entirely believable if not an abject certainty.

But I’m also sure, the good doctor was talking some shit. The Ivy League Effect, when it’s potent, wouldn’t allow otherwise. It made Gates forget that, no matter what, even when you’re right, you don’t talk shit to the police. And that’s not a matter of manhood or pride; it’s a question of survival. Why? Because you’re Black before you’re a Harvard professor. Because, in an extreme case, you can’t tell your side of the story if you get shot reaching for your ID. As a Black man and a Harvard professor, Gates’ thought process should have been: “Wow. I am so thoroughly pissed right now. When this current situation is resolved and am out of harm’s way, I’m going down to the station and I’m going to use my considerable influence to make heads roll. But right now, I need to be the smart one, remember all the details and not give him any reason to escalate this situation.” That’s what any of my fellow colleagues have done, guns drawn on them at night in the middle of campus by the police. They didn’t get loud; they got smart. They diffused the situation, then got pissed and did something about it. And I assure you, they did so with much less juice than Dr. Gates.

I remember when I heard about the story, I couldn’t help but think: Wow, that Ivy League Effect has washed out his healthy fear of the police. Yikes.

Can he be outraged? ABSOLUTELY. The circumstance should outrage any person that happened to. But why is he outraged? Because he didn’t think the Black Tax applied to him anymore. In his mind, he was Skip Gates, well-regarded Harvard professor who was being treated poorly in his home by the police. Believe me, if this took place at North Carolina State his sense of indignation would be far different and his ability to garner attention would be much less. And if he was just a working-class stiff? Forget it.

But this didn’t happen anywhere else. It happened in Cambridge on Ivy turf and now, his story has taken on Paul Bunyon-esque qualities. If you didn’t know better, you’d think a lynch mob was waiting outside Gates’ door with the rope and the hitching wagon before Ving Rhames came along and saved the day.

Skip Gates thought that he’d worked hard enough, achieved enough, become Harvard enough that this sort of treatment did not apply to him. And now, rather than channel that outrage in a such a way that is subtle but effective, he’s very publicly suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, having ‘joined the ranks of the million incarcerated Black men in America.’ That’s laughable. He does not see those million men as kin and he doesn’t, by and large, give a damn about those guys. He’s merely annoyed that such an annoyance as police misconduct found its way into his home. If he read about this story happening to a plumber in Roxbury, he’d shake his head in disappointment and then go on with his life.

So before we heed the call of racism, let’s be mindful of the tower from which that call came. This has something to do with race. But it as a lot more to do with messing with Skip Gates.

The Ivy League Effect, people. The Ivy League Effect.

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What James Crowley did was an outrage!
Posted by: cplot on Jul 27, 2009 1:05 AM   
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Regardless of who Henry Louis Gates is –his class, his race, his occupation, etc, – James Crowley and the Cambridge Police Department overstepped the bounds of their charge as police officers. This should outrage us all. It is no defense for Crowley to say “It wasn’t race, I would have abused my position with anyone.” Moreover none of the pathetic defenses Crowley offers does anything to deflect the criticisms that this is a man unfit to carry a badge. No officer should ever be arresting anyone under the circumstances described by Crowley himself simply for what amounts to an officer’s bruised ego. Crowley should resign and find a line of work that more fits his feeble abilities and inability to serve in a position of responsibility.

This sort of thing happens to citizens throughout the country on a daily basis. We should thank Henry Louis Gates for making a federal case out of this. However the fascists in this country are using it as opportunity to extend their abuse of the Constitution and the spirit and laws of this country. Instead it should serve as an example of a situation that should never again happen.

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It is Jim Crow -ley who appears to be the typical Ivy League claimer of privilege
Posted by: cplot on Jul 27, 2009 1:15 AM   
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How can Gates be characterized as the Ivy League cultural elite when Jim Crow-ley is the one claiming to be wronged by Obama because once we knew the whole story (which we now do) will all see how this nigger Gates didn’t give Jim Crow-ley his due respect.

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PoloniusMonk
Posted by: Polonius on Jul 27, 2009 1:49 AM   
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Not a very smart piece, just blather from someone who doesn't know the facts. s/he doesn't know the sequence of events, doesn't know who said what, and -- certainly --doesn't know what was in Dr. Gates's mind at the time. On the one hand he squawks because Prof. Gates didn't seem to know he should shuffle and doff his cap and yassuh the cop, and on the other he takes Gates to task for acting out of a sense of Harvard privilege.

What should Dr. Gates have done? What should others do, whether professors or plumbers? Kiss the cop ass forever? If a cop gets burned messing with Dr. Gates, doesn't that help the next guy, even if he's a plumber, or even a lumpenprole?

This blatherer doesn't know what he's talking about, but here's one thing you really can know: you can read the police report. Look it up. The cop acknowledges he believed Dr. Gates was who he said he was and that he lived there -- END of any reason for the cop to be there at all. His report says that after he believed Gates was entitled to be in his house he asked him to go outside. Dr. Gates had plenty of reason to yell at the guy and if the sergeant had had a lick of sense -- and if he weren't a racist -- he would simply have left, even with this little black guy yelling at him, which is what the sergeant says the guy in his own home was doing.

But no, the cop had to have the last word/prove who was boss/demonstrate his power/ show this uppity little n . . . -- take your pick, I don't know. He didn't have the sense or the decency to just leave, no, he had to arrest him with absolutely no justification. There's nothing in the law -- even in Massachusetts -- that forbids rudeness to a policeman, and nothing in the law requires you to modulate your tone when you are yelling at someone who has turned himself into a trespasser.

I hope the good professor sues them until their gums bleed.

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ever notice. . .
Posted by: shikejian on Jul 27, 2009 2:00 AM   
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how it's the racists who call their victims racists? Look at the Sotomayer hearings...the GOP is constantly harping on her "racist" tendencies (being a "race"). Yep. Dem nigs'n spics'n wops'n wetbacks'n fatbacks'n chinks'n whatevers...dey's all racist. Me? I'm white. I ain't no racist.
Ever notice how the people who yell about being classist and how class arguments are only muddying the water, for there is no class difference in the US, are the middle and upper classes?
This event would never have made front page news, much less national news, if Gates had not been a man with prestige and power. This is Anonymous's point, and it's right on target. It's good, though, for it points up the incipient racism that (doesn't) exists in America. Without power and prestige and the priviledge this buys, you are worthless pieces of shit.
Class issues are important. Very much so. As a working class academic, this plays out in the rest of your career. You can't have those kinds of friends, you can't have those values, you can't talk like that, you can't...and you sure as hell have a harder time making it through the maze to get that kind of education!
The Gates gateway is a double barrelled shotgun and Anonymous is the only one (so far) to see this. The "system" should be attacked with both barrels, not just one! The backlash on the racist barrel will be negative; the backlash on the classist barrel...well, that will be very illuminating indeed!

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Ivy League vs. reality
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 27, 2009 2:56 AM   
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Oh I dunno.

If you're sick at an Ivy League college, are you any less sick? If you're suffering at an Ivy League school, are you not really suffering?

If you die at an Ivy League college, are you any less dead? Nothing is real; everything is permitted.


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Ex pat yank in Britian
Posted by: davy on Jul 27, 2009 3:20 AM   
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Good point. I know I know it was in his OWN home and this would be enough to outrage most yanks me thinks but . . . I know folks that are Oxbridge and they feel "entitled", in their minds they are the elite. Hence both countries are run by these "educational" establishments. Hence the mess we are in. Travel, tend bar, drive a taxi, meet the people it is the only education worth a good God ****. But, right now, we, "the people" give them power because we "think" they are smart. My experience is that they are the opposite.

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Jul 27, 2009 4:01 AM   
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No wonder the author wished to remain anonymous. He or she probably got passed over for tenure! As for the police, only conservative racist types are attracted to law enforcement. There is nothing a racist, white cop would like better than to dominate and hassle a black man every chance he gets. If this happened to me at my house, the cop would get a face full of buckshot. Police should stick to what they do best, revenue collection with a radar gun. OINK! OINK!

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Gates reveals his status as a privileged person
Posted by: georgekat on Jul 27, 2009 4:08 AM   
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when he says, "This event has opened me up to how Black people get treated by the police."
HUH?
Did Gates just arrive from Mars?
He is 50-something yrs old and he just realized -when it happened to him - that Black men are targeted by police?

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Sgt. James Crowley
Posted by: fg on Jul 27, 2009 4:23 AM   
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I wonder if Crowley would have been able to recognize Mother Teresa in Harvard Square. The Cambridge Police Department needs to hire better educated personnel.

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IVY League is for elitists for who want to ruin the country with their Enronomics and wars.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 27, 2009 4:47 AM   
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Take a look at the pols in Washington especially our former president Dubya and our current one Obama plus our current "Chief Justice" John Roberts and note where they went to school at. I didn't go to some overpuffed IVY League school and I'm proud of my online education that I went through.

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People DO Care...It Happens Every DAY...It Was A Wrongful Arrest !!!
Posted by: picket on Jul 27, 2009 4:48 AM   
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"Things have gone seriously wrong when police feel justified in slapping cuffs on people who stand up for themselves and speak their minds."

"... President Obama was wrong to say Sgt Crowley has been stupid to arrest Gates. He should have said Sgt Crowley had ABUSED HIS POWER."

"The Man was arrested in his home after falsely being suspected of being a burglar by a policeman who made the arrest solely out of pique at being disrespected by the man he was wrongly suspecting."

Thanks Dave Lindorff...taken from his "Cops Gone Wild"

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Hmmmm.....no mention of the black officer who was with Crowley
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 4:49 AM   
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There was a partner who was with Officer Crowley at the arresting scene. And he just happens to be black. He said everything was done according to procedure and believed Crowley did nothing out of the ordinary. He also said Gates was just being a spoiled, arrogant asshole during the whole issue.

At least that's the report spread around.

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What you get for being a privileged asshole
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 5:13 AM   
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I don't think that Gates got hauled down to the station because he was black, I think that he got hauled down because he was being an asshole. Now, being an asshole is not illegal, especially in your own house, but the cops don't like it. So when Gates escalated the situation, rather than calming things down, most likely the cop egged him on until Gates did something sufficiently egregious that the officer felt able to put him in handcuffs and take him to the station. And Gates happily provided the officer with that opportunity.

The truth is, this could have happened to any of us. Yell at a cop, even just say the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong cop, and you are likely to spend a few hours sans liberte.

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When I produce proof that I belong, YOU LEAVE
Posted by: turtlewoman18 on Jul 27, 2009 5:20 AM   
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What struck me was that after producing proof that he was in his own home, Gates was cuffed and removed for being 'disorderly'. When the police arrive because of a suspected break-in and are shown the owner's ID, it is the obligation of the PD to apologize for the mistake and to leave. I watched commentary from two retired police officials, one of whom said the arrest was necessary because otherwise 'people will just have no respect for the police' (the quote isn't exact, but close, and the meaning is accurate). The other retired lieutenant said that deciding that people are 'disorderly' because you don't like what they've said to you - as in calling you racist - is a violation of their right to free speech. Unless they are clearly in REAL violation of SOMETHING , you as a police officer do not get to arrest them for saying mean things to you. 'Gates was very agitated" - so what? He didn't strike anyone or pose any physical threat. Silly me - I thought that PD's are supposed to be 'public servants'. And yes, I do realize that life is very different for non-whites, but this happened in Cambridge, where one would think that that officers faced with evidence of their error would admit to it and go look for people who are actually breaking the law and endangering the rest of us.

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Thanks for printing this essay
Posted by: Dee1276 on Jul 27, 2009 5:30 AM   
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I hope Professor Gates reads this essay...I'd like to hear his response. Will he realize that this writer has done him a service by pointing out how we all distance ourselves from harsh reality once we think we've managed to get to a "safe" spot? A bully is a bully in or out of uniform. How do you arrest a man for yelling at you in his own house? If the cop didn't like it, all he had to do was leave the professor's house. Crowley and his buddies were way out of line..."stupidly" is an understatement. Obama shouldn't have backed down.

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Skipping around the issues of institutional racism
Posted by: peacelf on Jul 27, 2009 5:37 AM   
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Many black intellectuals and white scholars of social theory argue that we live in a white supremacist patriarchal society. Robert Terry calls it the "White Male Club."

In the White Male Club, white males make the rules that govern all American life, including laws, but more importantly, social norms, culture and the superiority of the white male.

The fact that every institution from education to government, corporations to baseball are all governed by white male club rules helps explain Dr. Gates' outrage slightly more than the Harvard bubble hypothesis. Look at the charge brought against Gates: disorderly conduct.

Even the lawyer for Crowley's union agreed that disorderly conduct is an enigmatic charge, used too often and thrown out of court frequently. In fact, I've seen it used to punish innocent citizens just as often as naught.

And disorderly conduct wreaks of police statism and white male power. In the case of Gates, his outrage over police harassment cannot be judged against "if he were white." A whole new set of dynamics would've occurred if Gates was white. Or, I should say, not occurred.

I don't think the same set of events would have happened if Gates was white. Institutional racism took over when the officer heard two Black men were trying to break into a home. That goes for Black officers as well. White male club rules cross racial boundaries.

The white officer didn't know Gates, most likely had underlying assumptions and prejudices that even racial profiling training couldn't remove--unless he was taught to critique his own power as a white male and institutional white supremacy. Gates was doomed from the start, unless he kept his mouth shut and did exactly what the officer asked of him, as the author of the article above states.

But, Gates didn't respect authority whether from racial indignation or Harvarditis. If Crowley was racially sensitive, though, he could have easily diffused the situation by explaining to Dr. Gates the reasons for his action, that he thought maybe there was a domestic violence issue, or that Gates was being kidnapped, which is why Crowley asked Gates to step outside in the beginning. There are many things Crowley could have done, including patience.

Instead, according to accounts, Crowley refused to give Gates his badge number and ignored Gates' questions, even after he found Gates was alone in his residence. Was Crowley so indignant at Gates' anger and frustration that he had to punish Gates with silence and, then, eventually arrest him for the trumped up, vague charge of disorderly conduct?

Crowley was racially profiling. He just didn't know it.

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Typical Comments from Alternet Readers
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Jul 27, 2009 5:52 AM   
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Progressive's talk and write of their ability to "think" and tolerate and to view life with an open mind.

What a bunch of bullshit!!

If Gates were as white as a sheet of paper.....he would have been arrested.

You do NOT berate and antagonize a police officer, no matter what your opinion is about them.


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Cops Lie
Posted by: ETSpoon on Jul 27, 2009 5:59 AM   
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Nuff said.

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No First Amendment exists
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 27, 2009 6:04 AM   
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to a typical policeman. He is convinced that he is the boss. His attitude is simple: kiss his ass or go to jail.

Gates admitted that his experience is common to both poor whites and to blacks. I'd go further than this: Mike Wallace has been incarcerated for disorderly conduct, and he is a rich white male. I've been jugged on the same charge, and I am a white female, unemployed and living in my truck at the time of the arrest.

The choice is simple, if repulsive--either shuffle and Tom without the ankle cuffs, or with them. They own us all.

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You bet I'd care if it was a plumber. I HAVE cared.
Posted by: Beck on Jul 27, 2009 6:12 AM   
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Once, years ago, we called a contractor we know to have some work done on the back of our house. He sent one of his employees the next morning, who happened to be black. So our neighbors see a black man openly walking down our driveway in broad daylight with a tool box and call the cops. You bet I cared, and was mad, and griped to them and let the contractor and employee know how ridiculous and over-reactive that was.

We seem to increasingly live in a world of straw men, like the argument that "we" wouldn't care had this been a plumber. You know what, though? Even if that were true, if "we" DIDN'T care about a plumber, that wouldn't make this right. It wouldn't cancel this particular case.

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If cops are all racist....how...
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Jul 27, 2009 6:16 AM   
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...could this happen to me??


I had a black tenant that was 3 months behind in rent.
I had enough of her crap.....posted an eviction....she wound up moving out anyway.
That was a relief. It was futile to go after the money, I just wanted her out of my life.
Except I didn't realize until a day later that she stole my appliances. A stove I let her use and a refrigerator that I was storing. Both in impeccable condition.

The white police officers said I couldn't prove that she stole anything. I got screwed!

6 months later, I found out from a neighbor that she moved just one street over from my rental. Got the address......called the landlord. He said she would be out by ‘the weekend’, because, surprise....she was being evicted.

Sunday night, I drive by the house.....and there it is.....sitting in the driveway....on its side....in the snow....is a refrigerator. I figured...since I had the freon removed....she probably had it sitting outside thinking it didn't work. Moron! Steal a perfectly good refrigerator and you can’t even get a technician to look at it.

It was mine......I took a picture of the model number......and then.....she came out onto the porch. She was supposed to be gone.....she called the police.

I pleaded with the officer to check her kitchen......."I guarantee you there's a Magic Chef stove in there....I have the model number and Landlord Statement proving it's mine!"

Fat chance.

The 2 white police officers arrest the white as a ghost landlord and the black asshole scumbag drug addict single mom gets a good laugh and has three months of my money.....and a nice stove!

Sitting in a jail cell for 4 hours…….I kept my mouth shut……and basically could do nothing but laugh about it.




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Who Should have been working to De escalate the Situation??
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 27, 2009 6:20 AM   
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I whole heartedly agree this was more about Class than Race- On both sides. Gates was indignent and so were the Cops- each assuming their Rank and Status Trumped the others. In fact it may have been a 'Testosterone moment' for both.
But where real blame falls is on the Cop. It is his Duty to "Serve & Protect". To do so you must not only assess the situation accurately, but also control it. To Escalate a encounter, not only endangers the cop and suspect, but the general public. Guns start blazing, bullets fly.
Which one was on the 'job'? Under the restictions of Policies and procedure.Supposedly Versed and trained in handling confrontational interacts. Carrying a Gun??
The Fact that cop allowed the situation to get out of control to the point he had a middle aged man in handcuffs in posh Cambridge, tells you this Cop lacks the training required to de escalate situations, that presents a public concern. and it may not be just this one cop, perhaps the entire force must be re evaluated for their 'De escalation' skills.Perhaps the Training programs themselves if nationalized.
There are plenty of occupations which require the skills of De escalation- Nursing, Psych Care, firefighting, social work.... It is a mandatory skill for success in those fields- and in law enforcement it's paramount.
The pic of Prof Gates in handcuff should be more humilating to the Cop than to Gates. That Cop Failed as a professional.

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I'm assuming that everyone who thinks the cops were in the right would be okay with them. . .
Posted by: Beck on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 AM   
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. . .knocking on their door right now based upon a tip from someone who lives nearby but doesn't recognize their own neighbor, and insisting upon documentation, then not simply leaving once they see it. Remember, you're apparently allowed no comment whatsoever, and must simply silently comply. Is THAT the small government that conservatives are constantly yearning for? Doesn't sound like it.

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Disorderly Conduct Charged Dropped!
Posted by: Brb007 on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 AM   
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Why should Gate's reaction, to an offensive event, be classified as disorderly? It was an appropriate response. How many of us cower and submit to being falsely accused of something, especially within our own domicile? The man was on his property and in his own home. Once he said who he was and produced, what I understand was TWO forms of ID, that should have ended it, but most police officers today are anything but humble. They command and demand respect, even though recent headlines about all of the unnecessary roughing up of an elderly, albeit mouthy woman, deaths and major injuries due to unwarranted use and abuse of tasers have left us wandering just what training police officers receive in dealing with the vast diversity among people and varying degrees of human nature.

Would I be offended that a cop pushed his way into my home with accusations and then once proven it was my home, did not withdraw offering a sincere, humble apology? You BET I would and my emotions and voice would probably escalate as a result.

Anyone can call the police and make a false or ill-assumed complaint. Does that give police license to burst into peoples lives and homes, unjustifiably, simply because some crack pot neighbor or passerby assumes the worst and calls in a complaint? I highly doubt that is does.

Disorderly conduct, in basic form is defined as an offense involving disturbance of the public peace and decency. How was Skip Gates being indecent by verbally defending his right as a citizen in his own home? Were there complaints, by other neighbors or residents about Skip Gates reactions of raising his voice and disturbing their peace and decency? Were the police who were responding and causing a scene not disturbing public peace and decency, by prolonging a situation which could have been easily de-escalated by an apology and exiting?

If these charges were legitimate and warranted, why were the charges dropped, after the cop used/abused his authority to make an arrest and a point to Gates? If Gates truly was disturbing the public peace and decency, why were the charges not founded and upheld? It cannot be both ways here. By the department dropping the charges, they are basically admitting no justification and thereby admitting wrong doing on the part of the officer ... plain and simple.

When a person is accused of and charged with an offense, there should be a reasonable certainty that the offense was clear and apparent and that police action is warranted to stop any escalation that may cause and/or escalate a public disturbance. This obviously was not the case or charges would not have been dropped.

When has it become illegal to voice your opinion, opposition to and disgust over unnecessary force and invasion of privacy in your own home, when you have done nothing wrong? If the door had been broken open and the officer had seen justifiable evidence that a break in was apparent, I would easily concede that his actions were appropriate. There were no reports of broken doors, glass or even tools that would suggest a break in. While people so easily opine about this situation, there are legal aspects and civil rights being overlooked here and few seem to be focusing on actual scene observation and legal justification for the officer's actions.

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PROTECT EXPRESSIVE DISORDER? Actually, we DO have the right to talk...
Posted by: americansheep on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 AM   
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shit to the police. No matter if the Gates situation turns out to be racial profiling or what we all know is a dangerous thing to do: talk back to a police officer, the police in Cambridge still acted stupidly and here's the reason why: Their officer violated Gates right of free speech. The Supreme Court, in 1987, charging that the Houston, TX. police "have not been acting with the proper sensitivity to the constitutional rights of their citizens" thus ruling on 15 June of '87 that Houston police could not continue to arrest folks for talking back to them. In a major freedom-of-speech decision, the court voted to strike down Houston's century old ordinance making it a crime to "interrupt any policeman in the execution of his duty." The case was filed by Raymond Hill who was arrested in 1982 when he criticized an officer for yelling at a man. "Why don't you pick on somebody your own size," Hill asked the officer, who promptly arrested him. Writing for the majority, Justice William Brennan said the ordinance gave police "unfettered discretion to arrest individuals for words or conduct that annoy or offend them. The ordinance's plain language is admittedly violated scores of times daily, yet only some individuals--those chosen by police in their unguided discretion--are arrested." Hill was acquitted of criminal charges. "The decision means that people cannot, and should not, be arrested for what they say," Hill said. "It amazes me the lengths policemen and police organizations will go to place themselves above the law." Brennan's opinion is a victory for civil libertarians. Writing a separate opinion on behalf of three other justices, Justice Lewis Powell agreed the ordinance was unconstitutional, but said Brennan's liberal interpretation of free speech protections could hinder law enforcement. "To be sure there is a fine line between legitimate criticism and the type of criticism that interferes with the very purpose of having police officers," Powell wrote. "But the court unfortunately seems to ignore this fine line and to extend First Amendment protection to any type of verbal molestation or interruption of an officer in the performance of his duty." Brennan, however, said police in a democracy must be willing to accept criticism. Today's decision reflects the constitutional requirement that, in the face of verbal challenges to police action, officers and municipalities must respond with restraint," Brennan wrote. "We are mindful that the preservation of liberty depends in part upon the maintenance of social order. But the first amendment recognizes, wisely we think, that a certain amount of expressive disorder not only is inevitable in a society committed to individual freedom, but must itself be protected if that freedom would survive." WHEW!

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You folks are easy...
Posted by: rwshea on Jul 27, 2009 7:04 AM   
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to rile up, aren't you?

C'mon! This IS about CLASS, not race. But all the news is about racists, black and white...of every color! You guys are stuck in 1975 or something.

Divide and conquer working again and again and again...

You're your own worst enemies on this. Easily used and on to the next bait and switch.

People need to bust out of their nicely padded ideological bubbles. Preaching to the choir accomplishes nothing.

Observer

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"RACIAL PROFILING"???
Posted by: AZLBRAX07 on Jul 27, 2009 7:08 AM   
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So: according to this "anonymous", writer who was too cowardly to sign his or her name, the NEIGHBOR was guilty of "racial profiling"?

Boosheet!

If I saw someone I didn't recognize forcing a neighbor's front door…night or day…I guarantee you I'd be calling the cops and/ or confronting that person with a gun in hand….and I wouldn't give a damn about that person's ethnicity, either!

I call it being a good neighbor, NOT "racial profiling"…and I know that my neighbor would do the same for me!

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INTERESTING COMMENT FROM A NEWARK, NJ POLICEMAN
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 27, 2009 7:26 AM   
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Among the countless opinions I've read, one jumped out at me from a 17 yr. veteran of the Newark, NJ PD. He said that as soon as the officer knew that it was the man's home, he should have walked away and left him alone. He added that when confronted by a police officer people are bound to react. They are allowed to do that. But keep walking. If the guy hollers "go F--- yourself, keep walking. It made so much sense to me. Why create a 'situation' where there is none. I can't believe that anyone confronted by a cop instantly assumes the 'kiss the cops ass' mode. Three other comments from other officers were in agreement. If this guy wants to be a police officer, he has to develop a thicker hide. Long story short, they didn't agree with the officers actions. Race was not an issue in any of their remarks. They all made sense. There's an aire of arrogance about this office that I don't like and something about this story that stinks. Thanks, ANNA

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stop juicing the headlines
Posted by: garella on Jul 27, 2009 7:37 AM   
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This is a much smarter article than the headline and the subhead indicate.

I chose to read it thinking, "Let's see how stupid this is."

A better headline and subhead would have made me read it in the expectation of an insightful perspective, which it was.

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Phobias and Power
Posted by: PaulK on Jul 27, 2009 7:42 AM   
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Gates specifically studies racial incidents. Just as psychology students are known to get neurotic during the week that they all study neuroses, so the study of racial incidents takes its toll on researchers. Gates was specifically afraid of such a profiling, and then one night the real thing happened. The cop smelled fear in the professor's attempt to pull rank and in the professor's veiled verbal attacks on the cop. So the cop nailed the prof on instinct.

Let this equally be a lesson to the other eminent racial profiling researchers. You have power in your words, in your knowledge of the law and society, and in what sets cops off. Don't run to your intellectual power immediately and use it. If you feel that you're going to take a bust, don't overplay your hand. See if the cop will make it into a truly outrageous bust.

I get the feeling that when Gates said, "Do you know who I am?", he meant not that he taught for Harvard but that he specifically studied racial profiling, and the cop could easily get nailed nationally, which is what happened. The cop, being naive, may have assumed that Gates was referring to some deliberately unspecified political connection.

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Gates and "the boy who cried wolf"
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 7:50 AM   
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Remember that story? Who's really going to believe a black man after he claims victim because of a cop's behavior? it'll likely be a lot less believing folks than before the Gates fiasco.

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Does Alternet know who Anonymous is?
Posted by: letrightbedone on Jul 27, 2009 9:16 AM   
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One writer thanks Alternet for the article. But however it's opened up some fascinating dialogue (even tho' 10% of it has regrettably come from the sarcastic 'xvictor' and the carrying-a-racial-grudge 'allstar cookie'), there's something Not Right about receiving lessons re: courage and cowardice from a person hiding behind Anonymous, even though his Own fears may be justified. WE don't have to have a handle for the writer, but I hope Alternet insists upon one.

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President Obama had a change of mind
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 9:53 AM   
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After the Gates issue broke out, Obama had hurled insults at the Cambridge Police Dept. However, after the FACTS of the case was made clear to him, he distanced himself from the whole affair.

Those are the facts for the discomfited few here.

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You win.
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 27, 2009 10:11 AM   
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As Patrick Henry said, arguing with unreasonable people is like administering medicine to the dead.

Meanwhile, if you want to be taken seriously, you'll have to do (and cite) research, instead of employing the argumentative equivalent of holding your breath until you turn blue.

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As I understand it
Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 27, 2009 10:16 AM   
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He had just come back from a trip to China, so he was no doubt also tired and jet-lagged. And cranky that his door was not cooperating.

I think he may have just picked the wrong person to vent at.

I also don't think the cop was 100% innocent either.

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But I ask this
Posted by: Phe on Jul 27, 2009 10:30 AM   
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Why wasn't white and law enforcement privilege checked at the precint door before answerign a call for help? There were many wrongs in the situation and the only wrong ANYONE could pin on Dr. Gates (wtf is up with people who don't know him using his nickname? Show some respect!)is the audacity of that negro to forget that his Ivy League education, career and accolades makes him no LESS a black man in America than a blue collar violent criminal of the same race.

Forget the fact that his neighbor didn't realize after countless times of seeing him that he LIVED there, or that she called the police or that he had a key or that the police entered his home or that he showed ID. This man was arrested IN HIS HOUSE for breaking and entering. That's an oxymoron and huge blemish on the history of Cambridge police. That was stupid and if the president was white, and went to a state university NOBODY would have questioned that. How do I know this? Look at all the crap Bush got away with unquestioned.

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Sophisticated analysis of simple situation
Posted by: greatferm on Jul 27, 2009 10:34 AM   
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Take Occam's razor to it.

Two Alpha Dogs meet, and what they do, always, is contend for dominance.

Usually the Alpha Dog defending his territory wins, but one Dog has handcuffs, so he has a leg up.

And what does an Alpha Dog do when he has his leg up ?

Makes no difference that one dog is black, and one is white

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First Word???
Posted by: melpol on Jul 27, 2009 10:38 AM   
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The Gospel of John begins with "In the beginning was the Word". The first word spoken in the Crowley-Gates meeting determined the outcome. That word must have been evil. It is up to the investigators to find out what it was.

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I have an idea....
Posted by: Fencerider on Jul 27, 2009 11:23 AM   
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Why can't we mandate in this country that all law enforcement officials need, at bare minimum, two years of higher education, and field rotation for two years in different police environments, eg. urban, suburban, rural, etc.

This way, they may have a shred of empathy, dignity, intelligence and respect for ALL those that they vow to "protect and serve". As it is, mostly Cops just "project & unnerve".

I found it despicable how the "Blue Mafia" and their union reps just stood their and blindly went on the defensive of Crowley and all Cops everywhere. Not even taking into consideration that one of theirs could be at least 50% culpable. The blue line in Boston is never on time!

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Police Release 911 Tape
Posted by: desidid on Jul 27, 2009 11:36 AM   
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The woman who reported the incident was an employee of a neighbor, she was repeating what she was told, she also stated the man had suitcases so she wasn't so sure it was a break-in. The dispatcher IMO was detached and a little rude. His interest seemed to get piqued when he heard the suspects were Hispanic.

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Mothers Milk.
Posted by: melpol on Jul 27, 2009 12:39 PM   
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It would be better for the three of them to drink something real healthy like warm Mothers Milk. Alcoholic beverages can stimulate anger not kindness.

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Talk show logic
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 27, 2009 12:41 PM   
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may permit the words, "'Nuff said" as a legitimate closure to an argument, but thinking people have higher standards. You are the only person impressed by your sassy, no-facts-needed style of rhetoric.

Only two people were present during the exchange between Gates and Crowley. They have given widely divergent accounts of what went down. You seem to favor Crowley over Gates, for reasons that you refuse to disclose. Most sane people would find them equally credible, or favor Gates. Why? Because the charges against Gates were dropped before he made his comments. Crowley, on the other hand, filed his report in the shadow of possible internal investigation and/or a civil suit. He had every reason to paint Gates as a loony and himself as perfectly responsible.

So why do you totally write off Gates' version of the story while treating Crowley's as gospel? Prejudice. I don't know what kind of prejudice, but it's the only reasonable answer.

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If you are Black, you would care more.
Posted by: gjohloc@hotmail.com on Jul 27, 2009 1:07 PM   
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Most of us are not Ivy League so the fact that it can happen to Prof Gates says to us "average" American Blacks that the Sargent would have gotten away with not only arresting one of us but probably beating us or killing us. The usual police justifications would have been forthcoming and accepted as gospel. He "resisted arrest" or looked like "he had a weapon". Blacks in America are born "guilty" of something. Police (white or black)are just sent out to find out what that is. That's how we are treated. That's how it feels to be Black in America; to feel "guilty" all the time. We are always being challenged to "show our papers"; our ID; to prove who we are.If it had been a plumber, a Black plumber, he would probably be dead.

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Ishmael Reed commentary on Gates
Posted by: Defenestrator on Jul 27, 2009 1:39 PM   
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Why should he be outraged?
Posted by: puf_almighty on Jul 27, 2009 2:13 PM   
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If I broke into my house, and a cop showed up and said "why did you break into this house," I would have said "it's my house and i lost my key," and he would have said "can I see ID to prove that?" and I would have said "Certainly sir here you go, and thank you for protecting my home from potential break-ins."

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as down as anyone else to gripe about pigs, but this is silly. Ivy league, black, whatever, the dude was a belligerent asshole to a cop while caught doing something illegal. What do you expect?

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what.....?
Posted by: jejer on Jul 27, 2009 2:38 PM   
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It seems there was 911 call. the police officer did not just assume since a black man entered a nice house in a nice neighborhood he must be a burglar. Gates acted belligerent and irrational when the cops came to the door. yes he showed id, but would any intelligent police officer be suspicious that the possible suspect in a burglary may have...oh i dont know picked that up when he entered the house.

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Who's to blame? aka Which one is the emotionally stunted police officer, who got his feelings hurt?
Posted by: jingles on Jul 27, 2009 3:14 PM   
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The cop was doing his job, some guy, a professor in a college town, got all mad and was complying with the cop, the professor hurts the cops feeling, using words no less, so whats a guy with a badge and six officers behind him to do? Loose face and just let this meanie call him bad names, in front of all your colleagues no less? Gates did nothing illegal. The cop probably had a good cry over it with his buddies though, and that's the important thing- he's doing "ok" now.

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Crowley is unreliable.
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 27, 2009 3:26 PM   
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According to the NYT, the witness who made the 911 call never said the things Crowley wrote in his report:

"...Ms. Whalen’s lawyer said she never mentioned race to Sergeant Crowley.

“She didn’t speak to Sergeant Crowley at the scene except to say, ‘I’m the one who called,’ ” the lawyer, Wendy J. Murphy, said. “And he said, ‘Wait right there,’ and walked into the house. She never used the word black and never said the word ‘backpacks’ to anyone.”

If Crowley is making up this business about a witness seeing two black guys with backpacks, what else is he making up? More and more, I find it hard to treat him as an honest, well-meaning person.

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CRIME STATS AND REALITY
Posted by: reelman on Jul 28, 2009 7:08 AM   
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BUREAU OF JUSTICE CRIME STATS (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm)

Characteristics of State Prison inmates
* Women were 6.6% of the State prison inmates in 2001, up from 6% in 1995.
* Sixty-four percent of prison inmates belonged to racial or ethnic minorities in 2001.
* An estimated 57% of inmates were under age 35 in 2001.

Characteristics of jail inmates in 2000
* Jail inmates were older on average in 2002 than 1996: 38% were age 35 or older, up from 32% in 1996.
* More than 6 in 10 persons in local jails in 2002 were racial or ethnic minorities, unchanged from 1996.
* An estimated 40% were black; 19%, Hispanic, 1% American Indian; 1% Asian; and 3% of more than one race/ethnicity.

CRAWFISH NOTE:The factual data above from the BOJ Statistics website is about as accurate as one can quickly get.
What stats jump out at you? What facts above would make any law enforcement agency or person show more scrutiny or suspicion of wrongdoing?
Why can’t we ALL realize the real truth of criminal activity tendencies or profiles or percentages?
Why is there still the political game and name-calling abuse ploy?
Until these crime stats change significantly the justifiable suspicious caution will exist. Denial is not the answer.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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People should carry tazers
Posted by: xmvince on Jul 29, 2009 2:20 PM   
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Since police can taze people for little to no reason, we should be able to do the same right?

Everyone should buy a tazer and taze the hell out of a police officer if he is abusing your rights like this.

Would be funny + righteous.

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James Crowley Falsified Police Report
Posted by: desidid on Jul 29, 2009 2:54 PM   
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The woman who made the call stated in a news conference today that she Never said there were 2 black men breaking into the home. And the 911 call bears that out. Crowley apparently stated in his report that she said it on the scene. Because of what Crowley did, she was maligned as a racist. Crowley needs to apologize to Gates, the caller, and the president because he most certainly did behave in a racist way. He changed the facts of the report to protect his actions. And he apparently thought the best way to do that was to profile the 2 black men who had every right to be at the house. No amount of culling crime facts changes the facts on the ground, and it isn't okay to assume because one's race is the same as someone in jail that it follows you will commit a crime as well. Would white people feel comfortable if blacks assumed you were all the same as slave masters? Don't assign something to me that you would not want assigned to you!!!!!!!!!!!

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Interesting interplay
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 1, 2009 1:18 AM   
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This exchange shows just how much prejudice some folks bring to the discussion. The "progressives" on these threads are often close minded and vicious.

"Quannah: Your story has nothing whatsoever to do with race other than it shows you make the classic racist mistake of taking the actions of one person and relating it to the entire race of that person. You show your own bigotry in your little story.

Cookie: The majority of people on this website feel that the actions of a few racist cops equates to ALL cops being racists. If this really were true, then regardless of my situation the night I was arrested, the cops would have ignored any pleas from me or my ex-tenant, and would have just thrown her in jail. "

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Race
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 1, 2009 8:07 AM   
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I have read so many articles on race and the beer feast. By far this is the most hard hitting one.

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/07/lets-talk-about-race/

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What James Crowley did was an outrage!
Posted by: cplot on Jul 27, 2009 1:05 AM   
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Regardless of who Henry Louis Gates is –his class, his race, his occupation, etc, – James Crowley and the Cambridge Police Department overstepped the bounds of their charge as police officers. This should outrage us all. It is no defense for Crowley to say “It wasn’t race, I would have abused my position with anyone.” Moreover none of the pathetic defenses Crowley offers does anything to deflect the criticisms that this is a man unfit to carry a badge. No officer should ever be arresting anyone under the circumstances described by Crowley himself simply for what amounts to an officer’s bruised ego. Crowley should resign and find a line of work that more fits his feeble abilities and inability to serve in a position of responsibility.

This sort of thing happens to citizens throughout the country on a daily basis. We should thank Henry Louis Gates for making a federal case out of this. However the fascists in this country are using it as opportunity to extend their abuse of the Constitution and the spirit and laws of this country. Instead it should serve as an example of a situation that should never again happen.

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It is Jim Crow -ley who appears to be the typical Ivy League claimer of privilege
Posted by: cplot on Jul 27, 2009 1:15 AM   
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How can Gates be characterized as the Ivy League cultural elite when Jim Crow-ley is the one claiming to be wronged by Obama because once we knew the whole story (which we now do) will all see how this nigger Gates didn’t give Jim Crow-ley his due respect.

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Posted by: Polonius on Jul 27, 2009 1:49 AM   
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Not a very smart piece, just blather from someone who doesn't know the facts. s/he doesn't know the sequence of events, doesn't know who said what, and -- certainly --doesn't know what was in Dr. Gates's mind at the time. On the one hand he squawks because Prof. Gates didn't seem to know he should shuffle and doff his cap and yassuh the cop, and on the other he takes Gates to task for acting out of a sense of Harvard privilege.

What should Dr. Gates have done? What should others do, whether professors or plumbers? Kiss the cop ass forever? If a cop gets burned messing with Dr. Gates, doesn't that help the next guy, even if he's a plumber, or even a lumpenprole?

This blatherer doesn't know what he's talking about, but here's one thing you really can know: you can read the police report. Look it up. The cop acknowledges he believed Dr. Gates was who he said he was and that he lived there -- END of any reason for the cop to be there at all. His report says that after he believed Gates was entitled to be in his house he asked him to go outside. Dr. Gates had plenty of reason to yell at the guy and if the sergeant had had a lick of sense -- and if he weren't a racist -- he would simply have left, even with this little black guy yelling at him, which is what the sergeant says the guy in his own home was doing.

But no, the cop had to have the last word/prove who was boss/demonstrate his power/ show this uppity little n . . . -- take your pick, I don't know. He didn't have the sense or the decency to just leave, no, he had to arrest him with absolutely no justification. There's nothing in the law -- even in Massachusetts -- that forbids rudeness to a policeman, and nothing in the law requires you to modulate your tone when you are yelling at someone who has turned himself into a trespasser.

I hope the good professor sues them until their gums bleed.

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ever notice. . .
Posted by: shikejian on Jul 27, 2009 2:00 AM   
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how it's the racists who call their victims racists? Look at the Sotomayer hearings...the GOP is constantly harping on her "racist" tendencies (being a "race"). Yep. Dem nigs'n spics'n wops'n wetbacks'n fatbacks'n chinks'n whatevers...dey's all racist. Me? I'm white. I ain't no racist.
Ever notice how the people who yell about being classist and how class arguments are only muddying the water, for there is no class difference in the US, are the middle and upper classes?
This event would never have made front page news, much less national news, if Gates had not been a man with prestige and power. This is Anonymous's point, and it's right on target. It's good, though, for it points up the incipient racism that (doesn't) exists in America. Without power and prestige and the priviledge this buys, you are worthless pieces of shit.
Class issues are important. Very much so. As a working class academic, this plays out in the rest of your career. You can't have those kinds of friends, you can't have those values, you can't talk like that, you can't...and you sure as hell have a harder time making it through the maze to get that kind of education!
The Gates gateway is a double barrelled shotgun and Anonymous is the only one (so far) to see this. The "system" should be attacked with both barrels, not just one! The backlash on the racist barrel will be negative; the backlash on the classist barrel...well, that will be very illuminating indeed!

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Ivy League vs. reality
Posted by: Perry Logan on Jul 27, 2009 2:56 AM   
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Oh I dunno.

If you're sick at an Ivy League college, are you any less sick? If you're suffering at an Ivy League school, are you not really suffering?

If you die at an Ivy League college, are you any less dead? Nothing is real; everything is permitted.


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Ex pat yank in Britian
Posted by: davy on Jul 27, 2009 3:20 AM   
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Good point. I know I know it was in his OWN home and this would be enough to outrage most yanks me thinks but . . . I know folks that are Oxbridge and they feel "entitled", in their minds they are the elite. Hence both countries are run by these "educational" establishments. Hence the mess we are in. Travel, tend bar, drive a taxi, meet the people it is the only education worth a good God ****. But, right now, we, "the people" give them power because we "think" they are smart. My experience is that they are the opposite.

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parrotuya
Posted by: parrotuya on Jul 27, 2009 4:01 AM   
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No wonder the author wished to remain anonymous. He or she probably got passed over for tenure! As for the police, only conservative racist types are attracted to law enforcement. There is nothing a racist, white cop would like better than to dominate and hassle a black man every chance he gets. If this happened to me at my house, the cop would get a face full of buckshot. Police should stick to what they do best, revenue collection with a radar gun. OINK! OINK!

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Gates reveals his status as a privileged person
Posted by: georgekat on Jul 27, 2009 4:08 AM   
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when he says, "This event has opened me up to how Black people get treated by the police."
HUH?
Did Gates just arrive from Mars?
He is 50-something yrs old and he just realized -when it happened to him - that Black men are targeted by police?

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Sgt. James Crowley
Posted by: fg on Jul 27, 2009 4:23 AM   
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I wonder if Crowley would have been able to recognize Mother Teresa in Harvard Square. The Cambridge Police Department needs to hire better educated personnel.

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IVY League is for elitists for who want to ruin the country with their Enronomics and wars.
Posted by: JenniferBedingfield on Jul 27, 2009 4:47 AM   
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Take a look at the pols in Washington especially our former president Dubya and our current one Obama plus our current "Chief Justice" John Roberts and note where they went to school at. I didn't go to some overpuffed IVY League school and I'm proud of my online education that I went through.

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People DO Care...It Happens Every DAY...It Was A Wrongful Arrest !!!
Posted by: picket on Jul 27, 2009 4:48 AM   
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"Things have gone seriously wrong when police feel justified in slapping cuffs on people who stand up for themselves and speak their minds."

"... President Obama was wrong to say Sgt Crowley has been stupid to arrest Gates. He should have said Sgt Crowley had ABUSED HIS POWER."

"The Man was arrested in his home after falsely being suspected of being a burglar by a policeman who made the arrest solely out of pique at being disrespected by the man he was wrongly suspecting."

Thanks Dave Lindorff...taken from his "Cops Gone Wild"

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Hmmmm.....no mention of the black officer who was with Crowley
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 4:49 AM   
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There was a partner who was with Officer Crowley at the arresting scene. And he just happens to be black. He said everything was done according to procedure and believed Crowley did nothing out of the ordinary. He also said Gates was just being a spoiled, arrogant asshole during the whole issue.

At least that's the report spread around.

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What you get for being a privileged asshole
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 5:13 AM   
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I don't think that Gates got hauled down to the station because he was black, I think that he got hauled down because he was being an asshole. Now, being an asshole is not illegal, especially in your own house, but the cops don't like it. So when Gates escalated the situation, rather than calming things down, most likely the cop egged him on until Gates did something sufficiently egregious that the officer felt able to put him in handcuffs and take him to the station. And Gates happily provided the officer with that opportunity.

The truth is, this could have happened to any of us. Yell at a cop, even just say the wrong thing at the wrong time to the wrong cop, and you are likely to spend a few hours sans liberte.

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When I produce proof that I belong, YOU LEAVE
Posted by: turtlewoman18 on Jul 27, 2009 5:20 AM   
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What struck me was that after producing proof that he was in his own home, Gates was cuffed and removed for being 'disorderly'. When the police arrive because of a suspected break-in and are shown the owner's ID, it is the obligation of the PD to apologize for the mistake and to leave. I watched commentary from two retired police officials, one of whom said the arrest was necessary because otherwise 'people will just have no respect for the police' (the quote isn't exact, but close, and the meaning is accurate). The other retired lieutenant said that deciding that people are 'disorderly' because you don't like what they've said to you - as in calling you racist - is a violation of their right to free speech. Unless they are clearly in REAL violation of SOMETHING , you as a police officer do not get to arrest them for saying mean things to you. 'Gates was very agitated" - so what? He didn't strike anyone or pose any physical threat. Silly me - I thought that PD's are supposed to be 'public servants'. And yes, I do realize that life is very different for non-whites, but this happened in Cambridge, where one would think that that officers faced with evidence of their error would admit to it and go look for people who are actually breaking the law and endangering the rest of us.

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Thanks for printing this essay
Posted by: Dee1276 on Jul 27, 2009 5:30 AM   
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I hope Professor Gates reads this essay...I'd like to hear his response. Will he realize that this writer has done him a service by pointing out how we all distance ourselves from harsh reality once we think we've managed to get to a "safe" spot? A bully is a bully in or out of uniform. How do you arrest a man for yelling at you in his own house? If the cop didn't like it, all he had to do was leave the professor's house. Crowley and his buddies were way out of line..."stupidly" is an understatement. Obama shouldn't have backed down.

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Skipping around the issues of institutional racism
Posted by: peacelf on Jul 27, 2009 5:37 AM   
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Many black intellectuals and white scholars of social theory argue that we live in a white supremacist patriarchal society. Robert Terry calls it the "White Male Club."

In the White Male Club, white males make the rules that govern all American life, including laws, but more importantly, social norms, culture and the superiority of the white male.

The fact that every institution from education to government, corporations to baseball are all governed by white male club rules helps explain Dr. Gates' outrage slightly more than the Harvard bubble hypothesis. Look at the charge brought against Gates: disorderly conduct.

Even the lawyer for Crowley's union agreed that disorderly conduct is an enigmatic charge, used too often and thrown out of court frequently. In fact, I've seen it used to punish innocent citizens just as often as naught.

And disorderly conduct wreaks of police statism and white male power. In the case of Gates, his outrage over police harassment cannot be judged against "if he were white." A whole new set of dynamics would've occurred if Gates was white. Or, I should say, not occurred.

I don't think the same set of events would have happened if Gates was white. Institutional racism took over when the officer heard two Black men were trying to break into a home. That goes for Black officers as well. White male club rules cross racial boundaries.

The white officer didn't know Gates, most likely had underlying assumptions and prejudices that even racial profiling training couldn't remove--unless he was taught to critique his own power as a white male and institutional white supremacy. Gates was doomed from the start, unless he kept his mouth shut and did exactly what the officer asked of him, as the author of the article above states.

But, Gates didn't respect authority whether from racial indignation or Harvarditis. If Crowley was racially sensitive, though, he could have easily diffused the situation by explaining to Dr. Gates the reasons for his action, that he thought maybe there was a domestic violence issue, or that Gates was being kidnapped, which is why Crowley asked Gates to step outside in the beginning. There are many things Crowley could have done, including patience.

Instead, according to accounts, Crowley refused to give Gates his badge number and ignored Gates' questions, even after he found Gates was alone in his residence. Was Crowley so indignant at Gates' anger and frustration that he had to punish Gates with silence and, then, eventually arrest him for the trumped up, vague charge of disorderly conduct?

Crowley was racially profiling. He just didn't know it.

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Typical Comments from Alternet Readers
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Jul 27, 2009 5:52 AM   
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Progressive's talk and write of their ability to "think" and tolerate and to view life with an open mind.

What a bunch of bullshit!!

If Gates were as white as a sheet of paper.....he would have been arrested.

You do NOT berate and antagonize a police officer, no matter what your opinion is about them.


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Cops Lie
Posted by: ETSpoon on Jul 27, 2009 5:59 AM   
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Nuff said.

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No First Amendment exists
Posted by: littlepitcher on Jul 27, 2009 6:04 AM   
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to a typical policeman. He is convinced that he is the boss. His attitude is simple: kiss his ass or go to jail.

Gates admitted that his experience is common to both poor whites and to blacks. I'd go further than this: Mike Wallace has been incarcerated for disorderly conduct, and he is a rich white male. I've been jugged on the same charge, and I am a white female, unemployed and living in my truck at the time of the arrest.

The choice is simple, if repulsive--either shuffle and Tom without the ankle cuffs, or with them. They own us all.

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You bet I'd care if it was a plumber. I HAVE cared.
Posted by: Beck on Jul 27, 2009 6:12 AM   
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Once, years ago, we called a contractor we know to have some work done on the back of our house. He sent one of his employees the next morning, who happened to be black. So our neighbors see a black man openly walking down our driveway in broad daylight with a tool box and call the cops. You bet I cared, and was mad, and griped to them and let the contractor and employee know how ridiculous and over-reactive that was.

We seem to increasingly live in a world of straw men, like the argument that "we" wouldn't care had this been a plumber. You know what, though? Even if that were true, if "we" DIDN'T care about a plumber, that wouldn't make this right. It wouldn't cancel this particular case.

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If cops are all racist....how...
Posted by: Allstar Cookie on Jul 27, 2009 6:16 AM   
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...could this happen to me??


I had a black tenant that was 3 months behind in rent.
I had enough of her crap.....posted an eviction....she wound up moving out anyway.
That was a relief. It was futile to go after the money, I just wanted her out of my life.
Except I didn't realize until a day later that she stole my appliances. A stove I let her use and a refrigerator that I was storing. Both in impeccable condition.

The white police officers said I couldn't prove that she stole anything. I got screwed!

6 months later, I found out from a neighbor that she moved just one street over from my rental. Got the address......called the landlord. He said she would be out by ‘the weekend’, because, surprise....she was being evicted.

Sunday night, I drive by the house.....and there it is.....sitting in the driveway....on its side....in the snow....is a refrigerator. I figured...since I had the freon removed....she probably had it sitting outside thinking it didn't work. Moron! Steal a perfectly good refrigerator and you can’t even get a technician to look at it.

It was mine......I took a picture of the model number......and then.....she came out onto the porch. She was supposed to be gone.....she called the police.

I pleaded with the officer to check her kitchen......."I guarantee you there's a Magic Chef stove in there....I have the model number and Landlord Statement proving it's mine!"

Fat chance.

The 2 white police officers arrest the white as a ghost landlord and the black asshole scumbag drug addict single mom gets a good laugh and has three months of my money.....and a nice stove!

Sitting in a jail cell for 4 hours…….I kept my mouth shut……and basically could do nothing but laugh about it.




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Who Should have been working to De escalate the Situation??
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jul 27, 2009 6:20 AM   
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I whole heartedly agree this was more about Class than Race- On both sides. Gates was indignent and so were the Cops- each assuming their Rank and Status Trumped the others. In fact it may have been a 'Testosterone moment' for both.
But where real blame falls is on the Cop. It is his Duty to "Serve & Protect". To do so you must not only assess the situation accurately, but also control it. To Escalate a encounter, not only endangers the cop and suspect, but the general public. Guns start blazing, bullets fly.
Which one was on the 'job'? Under the restictions of Policies and procedure.Supposedly Versed and trained in handling confrontational interacts. Carrying a Gun??
The Fact that cop allowed the situation to get out of control to the point he had a middle aged man in handcuffs in posh Cambridge, tells you this Cop lacks the training required to de escalate situations, that presents a public concern. and it may not be just this one cop, perhaps the entire force must be re evaluated for their 'De escalation' skills.Perhaps the Training programs themselves if nationalized.
There are plenty of occupations which require the skills of De escalation- Nursing, Psych Care, firefighting, social work.... It is a mandatory skill for success in those fields- and in law enforcement it's paramount.
The pic of Prof Gates in handcuff should be more humilating to the Cop than to Gates. That Cop Failed as a professional.

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I'm assuming that everyone who thinks the cops were in the right would be okay with them. . .
Posted by: Beck on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 AM   
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. . .knocking on their door right now based upon a tip from someone who lives nearby but doesn't recognize their own neighbor, and insisting upon documentation, then not simply leaving once they see it. Remember, you're apparently allowed no comment whatsoever, and must simply silently comply. Is THAT the small government that conservatives are constantly yearning for? Doesn't sound like it.

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Disorderly Conduct Charged Dropped!
Posted by: Brb007 on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 AM   
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Why should Gate's reaction, to an offensive event, be classified as disorderly? It was an appropriate response. How many of us cower and submit to being falsely accused of something, especially within our own domicile? The man was on his property and in his own home. Once he said who he was and produced, what I understand was TWO forms of ID, that should have ended it, but most police officers today are anything but humble. They command and demand respect, even though recent headlines about all of the unnecessary roughing up of an elderly, albeit mouthy woman, deaths and major injuries due to unwarranted use and abuse of tasers have left us wandering just what training police officers receive in dealing with the vast diversity among people and varying degrees of human nature.

Would I be offended that a cop pushed his way into my home with accusations and then once proven it was my home, did not withdraw offering a sincere, humble apology? You BET I would and my emotions and voice would probably escalate as a result.

Anyone can call the police and make a false or ill-assumed complaint. Does that give police license to burst into peoples lives and homes, unjustifiably, simply because some crack pot neighbor or passerby assumes the worst and calls in a complaint? I highly doubt that is does.

Disorderly conduct, in basic form is defined as an offense involving disturbance of the public peace and decency. How was Skip Gates being indecent by verbally defending his right as a citizen in his own home? Were there complaints, by other neighbors or residents about Skip Gates reactions of raising his voice and disturbing their peace and decency? Were the police who were responding and causing a scene not disturbing public peace and decency, by prolonging a situation which could have been easily de-escalated by an apology and exiting?

If these charges were legitimate and warranted, why were the charges dropped, after the cop used/abused his authority to make an arrest and a point to Gates? If Gates truly was disturbing the public peace and decency, why were the charges not founded and upheld? It cannot be both ways here. By the department dropping the charges, they are basically admitting no justification and thereby admitting wrong doing on the part of the officer ... plain and simple.

When a person is accused of and charged with an offense, there should be a reasonable certainty that the offense was clear and apparent and that police action is warranted to stop any escalation that may cause and/or escalate a public disturbance. This obviously was not the case or charges would not have been dropped.

When has it become illegal to voice your opinion, opposition to and disgust over unnecessary force and invasion of privacy in your own home, when you have done nothing wrong? If the door had been broken open and the officer had seen justifiable evidence that a break in was apparent, I would easily concede that his actions were appropriate. There were no reports of broken doors, glass or even tools that would suggest a break in. While people so easily opine about this situation, there are legal aspects and civil rights being overlooked here and few seem to be focusing on actual scene observation and legal justification for the officer's actions.

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PROTECT EXPRESSIVE DISORDER? Actually, we DO have the right to talk...
Posted by: americansheep on Jul 27, 2009 6:55 AM   
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shit to the police. No matter if the Gates situation turns out to be racial profiling or what we all know is a dangerous thing to do: talk back to a police officer, the police in Cambridge still acted stupidly and here's the reason why: Their officer violated Gates right of free speech. The Supreme Court, in 1987, charging that the Houston, TX. police "have not been acting with the proper sensitivity to the constitutional rights of their citizens" thus ruling on 15 June of '87 that Houston police could not continue to arrest folks for talking back to them. In a major freedom-of-speech decision, the court voted to strike down Houston's century old ordinance making it a crime to "interrupt any policeman in the execution of his duty." The case was filed by Raymond Hill who was arrested in 1982 when he criticized an officer for yelling at a man. "Why don't you pick on somebody your own size," Hill asked the officer, who promptly arrested him. Writing for the majority, Justice William Brennan said the ordinance gave police "unfettered discretion to arrest individuals for words or conduct that annoy or offend them. The ordinance's plain language is admittedly violated scores of times daily, yet only some individuals--those chosen by police in their unguided discretion--are arrested." Hill was acquitted of criminal charges. "The decision means that people cannot, and should not, be arrested for what they say," Hill said. "It amazes me the lengths policemen and police organizations will go to place themselves above the law." Brennan's opinion is a victory for civil libertarians. Writing a separate opinion on behalf of three other justices, Justice Lewis Powell agreed the ordinance was unconstitutional, but said Brennan's liberal interpretation of free speech protections could hinder law enforcement. "To be sure there is a fine line between legitimate criticism and the type of criticism that interferes with the very purpose of having police officers," Powell wrote. "But the court unfortunately seems to ignore this fine line and to extend First Amendment protection to any type of verbal molestation or interruption of an officer in the performance of his duty." Brennan, however, said police in a democracy must be willing to accept criticism. Today's decision reflects the constitutional requirement that, in the face of verbal challenges to police action, officers and municipalities must respond with restraint," Brennan wrote. "We are mindful that the preservation of liberty depends in part upon the maintenance of social order. But the first amendment recognizes, wisely we think, that a certain amount of expressive disorder not only is inevitable in a society committed to individual freedom, but must itself be protected if that freedom would survive." WHEW!

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You folks are easy...
Posted by: rwshea on Jul 27, 2009 7:04 AM   
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to rile up, aren't you?

C'mon! This IS about CLASS, not race. But all the news is about racists, black and white...of every color! You guys are stuck in 1975 or something.

Divide and conquer working again and again and again...

You're your own worst enemies on this. Easily used and on to the next bait and switch.

People need to bust out of their nicely padded ideological bubbles. Preaching to the choir accomplishes nothing.

Observer

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"RACIAL PROFILING"???
Posted by: AZLBRAX07 on Jul 27, 2009 7:08 AM   
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So: according to this "anonymous", writer who was too cowardly to sign his or her name, the NEIGHBOR was guilty of "racial profiling"?

Boosheet!

If I saw someone I didn't recognize forcing a neighbor's front door…night or day…I guarantee you I'd be calling the cops and/ or confronting that person with a gun in hand….and I wouldn't give a damn about that person's ethnicity, either!

I call it being a good neighbor, NOT "racial profiling"…and I know that my neighbor would do the same for me!

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INTERESTING COMMENT FROM A NEWARK, NJ POLICEMAN
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 27, 2009 7:26 AM   
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Among the countless opinions I've read, one jumped out at me from a 17 yr. veteran of the Newark, NJ PD. He said that as soon as the officer knew that it was the man's home, he should have walked away and left him alone. He added that when confronted by a police officer people are bound to react. They are allowed to do that. But keep walking. If the guy hollers "go F--- yourself, keep walking. It made so much sense to me. Why create a 'situation' where there is none. I can't believe that anyone confronted by a cop instantly assumes the 'kiss the cops ass' mode. Three other comments from other officers were in agreement. If this guy wants to be a police officer, he has to develop a thicker hide. Long story short, they didn't agree with the officers actions. Race was not an issue in any of their remarks. They all made sense. There's an aire of arrogance about this office that I don't like and something about this story that stinks. Thanks, ANNA

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stop juicing the headlines
Posted by: garella on Jul 27, 2009 7:37 AM   
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This is a much smarter article than the headline and the subhead indicate.

I chose to read it thinking, "Let's see how stupid this is."

A better headline and subhead would have made me read it in the expectation of an insightful perspective, which it was.

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Phobias and Power
Posted by: PaulK on Jul 27, 2009 7:42 AM   
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Gates specifically studies racial incidents. Just as psychology students are known to get neurotic during the week that they all study neuroses, so the study of racial incidents takes its toll on researchers. Gates was specifically afraid of such a profiling, and then one night the real thing happened. The cop smelled fear in the professor's attempt to pull rank and in the professor's veiled verbal attacks on the cop. So the cop nailed the prof on instinct.

Let this equally be a lesson to the other eminent racial profiling researchers. You have power in your words, in your knowledge of the law and society, and in what sets cops off. Don't run to your intellectual power immediately and use it. If you feel that you're going to take a bust, don't overplay your hand. See if the cop will make it into a truly outrageous bust.

I get the feeling that when Gates said, "Do you know who I am?", he meant not that he taught for Harvard but that he specifically studied racial profiling, and the cop could easily get nailed nationally, which is what happened. The cop, being naive, may have assumed that Gates was referring to some deliberately unspecified political connection.

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Gates and "the boy who cried wolf"
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 7:50 AM   
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Remember that story? Who's really going to believe a black man after he claims victim because of a cop's behavior? it'll likely be a lot less believing folks than before the Gates fiasco.

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Does Alternet know who Anonymous is?
Posted by: letrightbedone on Jul 27, 2009 9:16 AM   
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One writer thanks Alternet for the article. But however it's opened up some fascinating dialogue (even tho' 10% of it has regrettably come from the sarcastic 'xvictor' and the carrying-a-racial-grudge 'allstar cookie'), there's something Not Right about receiving lessons re: courage and cowardice from a person hiding behind Anonymous, even though his Own fears may be justified. WE don't have to have a handle for the writer, but I hope Alternet insists upon one.

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President Obama had a change of mind
Posted by: xvictor on Jul 27, 2009 9:53 AM   
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After the Gates issue broke out, Obama had hurled insults at the Cambridge Police Dept. However, after the FACTS of the case was made clear to him, he distanced himself from the whole affair.

Those are the facts for the discomfited few here.

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You win.
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 27, 2009 10:11 AM   
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As Patrick Henry said, arguing with unreasonable people is like administering medicine to the dead.

Meanwhile, if you want to be taken seriously, you'll have to do (and cite) research, instead of employing the argumentative equivalent of holding your breath until you turn blue.

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As I understand it
Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 27, 2009 10:16 AM   
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He had just come back from a trip to China, so he was no doubt also tired and jet-lagged. And cranky that his door was not cooperating.

I think he may have just picked the wrong person to vent at.

I also don't think the cop was 100% innocent either.

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But I ask this
Posted by: Phe on Jul 27, 2009 10:30 AM   
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Why wasn't white and law enforcement privilege checked at the precint door before answerign a call for help? There were many wrongs in the situation and the only wrong ANYONE could pin on Dr. Gates (wtf is up with people who don't know him using his nickname? Show some respect!)is the audacity of that negro to forget that his Ivy League education, career and accolades makes him no LESS a black man in America than a blue collar violent criminal of the same race.

Forget the fact that his neighbor didn't realize after countless times of seeing him that he LIVED there, or that she called the police or that he had a key or that the police entered his home or that he showed ID. This man was arrested IN HIS HOUSE for breaking and entering. That's an oxymoron and huge blemish on the history of Cambridge police. That was stupid and if the president was white, and went to a state university NOBODY would have questioned that. How do I know this? Look at all the crap Bush got away with unquestioned.

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Sophisticated analysis of simple situation
Posted by: greatferm on Jul 27, 2009 10:34 AM   
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Take Occam's razor to it.

Two Alpha Dogs meet, and what they do, always, is contend for dominance.

Usually the Alpha Dog defending his territory wins, but one Dog has handcuffs, so he has a leg up.

And what does an Alpha Dog do when he has his leg up ?

Makes no difference that one dog is black, and one is white

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First Word???
Posted by: melpol on Jul 27, 2009 10:38 AM   
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The Gospel of John begins with "In the beginning was the Word". The first word spoken in the Crowley-Gates meeting determined the outcome. That word must have been evil. It is up to the investigators to find out what it was.

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I have an idea....
Posted by: Fencerider on Jul 27, 2009 11:23 AM   
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Why can't we mandate in this country that all law enforcement officials need, at bare minimum, two years of higher education, and field rotation for two years in different police environments, eg. urban, suburban, rural, etc.

This way, they may have a shred of empathy, dignity, intelligence and respect for ALL those that they vow to "protect and serve". As it is, mostly Cops just "project & unnerve".

I found it despicable how the "Blue Mafia" and their union reps just stood their and blindly went on the defensive of Crowley and all Cops everywhere. Not even taking into consideration that one of theirs could be at least 50% culpable. The blue line in Boston is never on time!

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Police Release 911 Tape
Posted by: desidid on Jul 27, 2009 11:36 AM   
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The woman who reported the incident was an employee of a neighbor, she was repeating what she was told, she also stated the man had suitcases so she wasn't so sure it was a break-in. The dispatcher IMO was detached and a little rude. His interest seemed to get piqued when he heard the suspects were Hispanic.

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Mothers Milk.
Posted by: melpol on Jul 27, 2009 12:39 PM   
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It would be better for the three of them to drink something real healthy like warm Mothers Milk. Alcoholic beverages can stimulate anger not kindness.

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Talk show logic
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 27, 2009 12:41 PM   
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may permit the words, "'Nuff said" as a legitimate closure to an argument, but thinking people have higher standards. You are the only person impressed by your sassy, no-facts-needed style of rhetoric.

Only two people were present during the exchange between Gates and Crowley. They have given widely divergent accounts of what went down. You seem to favor Crowley over Gates, for reasons that you refuse to disclose. Most sane people would find them equally credible, or favor Gates. Why? Because the charges against Gates were dropped before he made his comments. Crowley, on the other hand, filed his report in the shadow of possible internal investigation and/or a civil suit. He had every reason to paint Gates as a loony and himself as perfectly responsible.

So why do you totally write off Gates' version of the story while treating Crowley's as gospel? Prejudice. I don't know what kind of prejudice, but it's the only reasonable answer.

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If you are Black, you would care more.
Posted by: gjohloc@hotmail.com on Jul 27, 2009 1:07 PM   
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Most of us are not Ivy League so the fact that it can happen to Prof Gates says to us "average" American Blacks that the Sargent would have gotten away with not only arresting one of us but probably beating us or killing us. The usual police justifications would have been forthcoming and accepted as gospel. He "resisted arrest" or looked like "he had a weapon". Blacks in America are born "guilty" of something. Police (white or black)are just sent out to find out what that is. That's how we are treated. That's how it feels to be Black in America; to feel "guilty" all the time. We are always being challenged to "show our papers"; our ID; to prove who we are.If it had been a plumber, a Black plumber, he would probably be dead.

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Ishmael Reed commentary on Gates
Posted by: Defenestrator on Jul 27, 2009 1:39 PM   
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Why should he be outraged?
Posted by: puf_almighty on Jul 27, 2009 2:13 PM   
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If I broke into my house, and a cop showed up and said "why did you break into this house," I would have said "it's my house and i lost my key," and he would have said "can I see ID to prove that?" and I would have said "Certainly sir here you go, and thank you for protecting my home from potential break-ins."

Don't get me wrong, I'm just as down as anyone else to gripe about pigs, but this is silly. Ivy league, black, whatever, the dude was a belligerent asshole to a cop while caught doing something illegal. What do you expect?

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what.....?
Posted by: jejer on Jul 27, 2009 2:38 PM   
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It seems there was 911 call. the police officer did not just assume since a black man entered a nice house in a nice neighborhood he must be a burglar. Gates acted belligerent and irrational when the cops came to the door. yes he showed id, but would any intelligent police officer be suspicious that the possible suspect in a burglary may have...oh i dont know picked that up when he entered the house.

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Who's to blame? aka Which one is the emotionally stunted police officer, who got his feelings hurt?
Posted by: jingles on Jul 27, 2009 3:14 PM   
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The cop was doing his job, some guy, a professor in a college town, got all mad and was complying with the cop, the professor hurts the cops feeling, using words no less, so whats a guy with a badge and six officers behind him to do? Loose face and just let this meanie call him bad names, in front of all your colleagues no less? Gates did nothing illegal. The cop probably had a good cry over it with his buddies though, and that's the important thing- he's doing "ok" now.

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Crowley is unreliable.
Posted by: stormchilde1975 on Jul 27, 2009 3:26 PM   
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According to the NYT, the witness who made the 911 call never said the things Crowley wrote in his report:

"...Ms. Whalen’s lawyer said she never mentioned race to Sergeant Crowley.

“She didn’t speak to Sergeant Crowley at the scene except to say, ‘I’m the one who called,’ ” the lawyer, Wendy J. Murphy, said. “And he said, ‘Wait right there,’ and walked into the house. She never used the word black and never said the word ‘backpacks’ to anyone.”

If Crowley is making up this business about a witness seeing two black guys with backpacks, what else is he making up? More and more, I find it hard to treat him as an honest, well-meaning person.

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CRIME STATS AND REALITY
Posted by: reelman on Jul 28, 2009 7:08 AM   
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BUREAU OF JUSTICE CRIME STATS (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm)

Characteristics of State Prison inmates
* Women were 6.6% of the State prison inmates in 2001, up from 6% in 1995.
* Sixty-four percent of prison inmates belonged to racial or ethnic minorities in 2001.
* An estimated 57% of inmates were under age 35 in 2001.

Characteristics of jail inmates in 2000
* Jail inmates were older on average in 2002 than 1996: 38% were age 35 or older, up from 32% in 1996.
* More than 6 in 10 persons in local jails in 2002 were racial or ethnic minorities, unchanged from 1996.
* An estimated 40% were black; 19%, Hispanic, 1% American Indian; 1% Asian; and 3% of more than one race/ethnicity.

CRAWFISH NOTE:The factual data above from the BOJ Statistics website is about as accurate as one can quickly get.
What stats jump out at you? What facts above would make any law enforcement agency or person show more scrutiny or suspicion of wrongdoing?
Why can’t we ALL realize the real truth of criminal activity tendencies or profiles or percentages?
Why is there still the political game and name-calling abuse ploy?
Until these crime stats change significantly the justifiable suspicious caution will exist. Denial is not the answer.

http://conservablogs.com/theconservativecrawfish

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People should carry tazers
Posted by: xmvince on Jul 29, 2009 2:20 PM   
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Since police can taze people for little to no reason, we should be able to do the same right?

Everyone should buy a tazer and taze the hell out of a police officer if he is abusing your rights like this.

Would be funny + righteous.

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James Crowley Falsified Police Report
Posted by: desidid on Jul 29, 2009 2:54 PM   
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The woman who made the call stated in a news conference today that she Never said there were 2 black men breaking into the home. And the 911 call bears that out. Crowley apparently stated in his report that she said it on the scene. Because of what Crowley did, she was maligned as a racist. Crowley needs to apologize to Gates, the caller, and the president because he most certainly did behave in a racist way. He changed the facts of the report to protect his actions. And he apparently thought the best way to do that was to profile the 2 black men who had every right to be at the house. No amount of culling crime facts changes the facts on the ground, and it isn't okay to assume because one's race is the same as someone in jail that it follows you will commit a crime as well. Would white people feel comfortable if blacks assumed you were all the same as slave masters? Don't assign something to me that you would not want assigned to you!!!!!!!!!!!

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Interesting interplay
Posted by: YogiBear on Aug 1, 2009 1:18 AM   
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This exchange shows just how much prejudice some folks bring to the discussion. The "progressives" on these threads are often close minded and vicious.

"Quannah: Your story has nothing whatsoever to do with race other than it shows you make the classic racist mistake of taking the actions of one person and relating it to the entire race of that person. You show your own bigotry in your little story.

Cookie: The majority of people on this website feel that the actions of a few racist cops equates to ALL cops being racists. If this really were true, then regardless of my situation the night I was arrested, the cops would have ignored any pleas from me or my ex-tenant, and would have just thrown her in jail. "

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Race
Posted by: C. Rich on Aug 1, 2009 8:07 AM   
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I have read so many articles on race and the beer feast. By far this is the most hard hitting one.

http://americaspeaksink.com/2009/07/lets-talk-about-race/

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