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Our Economy Needs at Least $2 Trillion in Stimulus Spending Right Now -- Tens of Millions of Jobs Are at Stake
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When her husband was in the oval office Laura Bush launched an initiative to promote literacy across the country. Unfortunately, there was no comparable effort to promote numeracy in our nation's capital. This has been evident in the discussion of the stimulus among politicians and commentators in the week since the June job numbers were released.
Republicans were anxious to pronounce the stimulus a failure, while Democrats insisted that the package just needed more time, pointing out that most of the money had not yet been spent. Neither assertion can withstand the test of third grade arithmetic.
The basic story is that the stimulus was too small, pure and simple. It would have been too small even if the Obama's administration's projections for the severity of the recession had proven accurate. However, since the downturn is considerably steeper than they had projected, the inadequacy of the stimulus is even greater.
Here are the numbers. The unemployment rate is currently 9.5 percent and virtually certain to cross 10.0 percent by the end of the summer. It is likely to hit 11.0 percent early next year, but we'll just work off the 10.0 percent figure.
The target for unemployment should be no higher than 5.0 percent. (The year-round average for unemployment in 2000 was 4.0 percent.) This leaves a gap between actual unemployment and our employment target of 5 percentage points. As a rule of thumb, it takes a 2 percentage points increase in GDP to reduce the unemployment rate by 1 percentage point. This means that in order to reach our target of 5 percent unemployment, we would have to increase GDP by 10 percent, or $1.5 trillion.
Different types of stimulus have different multiplier effects. One dollar of addition spending is generally estimated to have a multiplier effect in the neighborhood of 1.5, meaning that for every dollar we spend on a government project, we increase GDP by $1.50 as the people we hire go out and spend their paychecks, creating new demand.
The multiplier effect on tax cuts is generally estimated as being in the neighborhood of 0.9, or less. This means that $1 of tax cuts will end up increasing GDP by about 90 cents. Unlike spending on things like road construction or health care, a tax cut does not directly generate demand. It only generates demand when people go out and spend their tax cuts. Since much of any tax cut will be saved, the stimulus effect of tax cuts is almost always less than the effect of direct spending.
Okay, if we have an annual GDP shortfall of $1.5 trillion and we decided to fill it by spending, then we would need approximately $1 trillion per year of additional spending. Alternatively, if we tried to fill the gap with tax cuts, we would need $1.65 trillion per year in tax cuts. After pulling out spending for later years, and the alternative minimum tax fix, the Obama package provides about $300 billion a year in stimulus. This is obviously inadequate.
When the Republicans jump on the June jobs numbers and say that stimulus doesn't work, it is like the obese person complaining that dieting and exercise don't work because he is still overweight after passing up dessert and taking a walk around the block. There is a question of magnitude here that they seem to have missed.
The "give it time" crew don't fare too much better. While only about 15 percent of the stimulus has gone out the door thus far, it is the rate of spending that matters.
To put this point simply, suppose that we would spend the $600 billion 2-year stimulus at the rate of $25 billion a month. Assume that we have ramped up to this spending rate, so that by May we have reached the $25 billion rate of monthly spending. While it may be true that at the end of June that we have only spent 15 percent of the stimulus, the rate of spending will not be increasing substantially from current levels. This means that whatever boost to monthly consumption and output we expect from the stimulus, we are now currently seeing. This boost will continue through 2010, but we will not get an additional boost from the stimulus further down the road.
The actual story of stimulus spending is somewhat more complicated, but this simple story captures the basic picture. The additional boost from new projects that are yet to be started will not make a big dent in the economic picture.
In short, we badly need another very big dose of stimulus. Unfortunately, the politicians and pundits in Washington are either too ignorant, dishonest, or scared to talk about the $2 plus trillion stimulus that this economy needs. As a result, tens of millions of people will lose their jobs and/or their homes because of continued economic mismanagement. In economic policy circles, mismanagement is a job qualification, not a fault.
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Posted by: JimmyChang on Jul 16, 2009 12:56 AM
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We need to slash spending by any means necessary. It will cause severe pain at first, but that will only be temporary. Eventually, the economy will evolve into a new shape, new industries will create new jobs, and life will go on. Borrowing trillions more now is just a painkiller, but it doesn't cure the disease.
Your statistics are nonsense. Spending a dollar adds $1.50 to the economy? Cutting a taxdollar only adds 90 cents to the economy? What government study pulled those numbers out of thin air? If more taxes and more spending boosts the economy, why stop at $2 trillion? Why not borrow ten trillion, a hundred trillion? If more government spending will save the economy, why not go full Soviet and make every job a government job? And let's raise the minimum wage to $1000/hour so we can all be millionaires by next Christmas! Let's balance the budget by raising taxes! Worked great in California!
This has absolutely nothing to do with saving jobs or boosting the economy. This is just another excuse to spend spend spend, which justifies tax tax tax. More money for the government means more power in the hands of government, and that means more corruption. Look at Obama, Kennedy, or Bill Clinton. Have any of them ever had a REAL job? Of course not, why work for a living when you can suck the blood of taxpayers and call it public service?
If any cares about saving jobs, they might suggest any of the following:
-cut income taxes and capital gains taxes
-lower of eliminate the minimum wage
-deregulate and let small-businesses work
-deport job-stealing illegal aliens
-forget about cap-and-tax-and-outsourse-jobs
But this isn't about saving jobs. This is about enlarging an already bloated federal government. November 2010 can't come fast enough!
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» So what should the minimum wage be?
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» Same Libertarian trolls with the same disinformation and propaganda.
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» Get a job!
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» Why is that the relevant conversations in alternet’s comment board do not take place elsewhere?
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» "Look at Obama, Kennedy, or Bill Clinton. "
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» China will stop 'lending' you money when it stops being in their interest to do so.
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» Let's deal with the real issues. It's not about "Chinese" exports or the "falling dollar."
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Posted by: tkd82arty@netscape.net on Jul 16, 2009 1:21 AM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 16, 2009 1:23 AM
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This freshly injected cash would help business, state and local governments, the under and uninsured while giving a huge boost to consumer confidence ...
As single payer is implemented the cost of health insurance can be reduced through lower administrative costs, elimination of profit and advertising that health insurance companies need.
Over time standardization of billing, records, diagnosis and treatment will reduce costs even further ... The trick are the start up costs for implementing information systems and data gathering to discover best practice for all that ails us ...
I've only been saying all this for a year ... The chances for all this being implemented :0.5%.
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» What would you do with $2 trillion?
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» RE: What would you do with $2 trillion? jobs, fewer bankruptcies, consumer confidence
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» RE: 2 Triilion ? ... How About Single Payer Right Now ?
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» Great plan, comrade!
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Posted by: BeckyD on Jul 16, 2009 3:50 AM
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And now you propose doing the same thing, only with $2 trillion instead of 'just' $700 billion? One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results. Stimulus 1 (under Bush) didn't work. Stimulus 2 didn't work. Why are we even considering Stimulus 3?
We don't HAVE $2 trillion. Where do you propose to get it? Print it? Basic Econ 101 and a quick lesson in history will show you where that leads. Borrow it? From what I read, foreign governments are already nervous about our level of debt, and I for one do not intend to allow this government to saddle my children and grandchildren with mounds of debt, to enslave them to China and India, as long as I have breath in my body.
So no, Mr. Baker. We don't need a whopping 2 trill in stimulus. We need sensible, reality-based policies designed to free the private economy to work. We need to spend our own money, or better, save and invest it, not have government do it for us. And most of all we need to end our personal and governmental reliance on credit.
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» Correction, except for some of the last paragraph, I agree.
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» Get real and realize that the private economy has been freed to work for years...
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Posted by: CTC123 on Jul 16, 2009 4:15 AM
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Posted by: folkie on Jul 16, 2009 5:11 AM
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A couple of trillion bucks to pay down our debt to China would be like making an extra mortgage payment--it would help, but only over the long term.
A couple of trillion bucks to corporations and individuals would, at best, create more jobs in China and allow people to buy more Chinese goods.
A few million diverted from the military-industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, and the health-industrial complex, and invested in green jobs, would reduce unemployment.
What we have in this country is mob rule, if you define "mob" as an organized criminal syndicate like a multinational corporation. Giving more money to the mob isn't going to benefit anyone except the mobsters.
Low income seniors and the disabled on SSI in California got a $250 stimulus from Obama. At the same time, he cut funding to the states, so California's governor cut SSI benefits, resulting in a net $400 loss in income for each SSI beneficiary for the year. What kind of fool would rush out and spend their "stimulus?"
Banksters, on the other hand, got a huge stimulus and they rushed out to spend it on bonuses and yacht parties. There was no appreciable trickle-down to the public. Loans remained hard to get, mortgages hard to refinance, and interest rates and fees went up.
A decision to tax the rich to finance health care is laughable. The administration decided not to push Swiss banks to reveal the names of Americans with secret bank accounts, so we don't even know who the wealthy tax evaders are and we certainly have no way to tax them. Remember the spate of billionaires renouncing their U.S. citizenship so as not to pay taxes? When they were outsourcing our jobs, they knew full well they were destroying our economy, and they made sure that they couldn't be held accountable.
How does an undocumented immigrant here take away a job that has been outsourced to China, Burma, India, Mexico, the Phillipines, etc.? If immigrants really wanted to take our jobs, they'd stay home because that's where our jobs went.
You can stimulate a dead horse all you want, but it isn't going to get up.
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Posted by: Ohjin on Jul 16, 2009 5:39 AM
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NOT ANOTHER DIME!
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Posted by: awilson5280 on Jul 16, 2009 6:05 AM
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Setting aside the practical problems (which we know are coming) with hyperinflation that result from the government printing more dollars, we are back to the concept of moral hazard. However, in this case the hazard is not limited to jerks on Wall Street, but to our whole society. What is the point in saving if our government is going to bail us out until our nation collapses?
Anyway, the real problem is population. Economics tries to operate in a rational vacuum, but the truth is that we evolved from animals and remain animals, bound by a competition for resources. The United States is starting to get crowded enough that it is no longer the land of opportunity that it once was. Our material development has gone far enough that our competition for resources cannot be resolved by the willingness to move west and kill some natives. While we do not yet face the problems of China, India, or Bangladesh, we are starting to see the results of the delusion that we can grow our population without facing serious environmental and economic consequences.
Unfortunately, it is politically radioactive to tell one's constituents that it may be bad for both them and society for them to reproduce. Ah, the paradox of life - often, the things that need to be said the most cannot be said.
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Posted by: xvictor on Jul 16, 2009 6:09 AM
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Posted by: kad on Jul 16, 2009 6:17 AM
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Posted by: warrior woman on Jul 16, 2009 6:38 AM
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Stimulus worked during the Depression, however, the application of the stimulus to date has not been similar to what it had been in the 1930's.
Stimulus 1 or TARP was a giveaway to the financial industry essentially to fund the house since they had run this enormous Ponzi scheme. That original 700 billion plus the trillions "lent" or printed by the Fed have not created more loans or eased credit (that is allowed for traditional money creation) nor has unemployment eased in any way. TARP was a sham to coverup the wrong doing of the banks.
Now, Stimulus 2, as Baker states is slow out of the gate and hasn't done enough to jump start the economy. I'm not sure that we expected the economy to ramp up after 3-4 months of the money starting to go into the system, did we? The "media" thought 2010 or so, not July of 2009. Obama said it would get worse before it got better.
While we can call for more stimulus, we do have to reckon that we have added trillions and trillions of dollars of more debt to future generations.
We haven't seen Congress enact or re-enact any financial regulation and they won't. They could easily re-enact Glass Stegall and separate the finance, insurance and banking industries but the WON'T. They could have the votes but they won't. Because they're bought. And therein lies the crux of the matter. All we hear are excuses of why they can't do this or that. People are waking up to understand that Congress and most all of elected officials in the Federal govt are corrupt. They are bought and paid for by industry and we the people are screwed at every turn.
Let me give some examples: 1) on a state basis, who pays 95% of the taxes? Individuals. 2) from an environmental perspective, who uses the least amount of energy and other resources such as water (10%)? Individuals. 3) List of Democratic Senators not supporting Public Health Option and the amount of bribes they took at:
http://vote.wewantthepublicoption.com/p-e-launch-link-S 4) The Future Is Deflation By Mike Whitney http://informationclearinghouse.info/article23039.htm
"Household wealth has dipped $14 trillion since the crisis began. Wages are slowly retreating and unemployment is at 9.5% a 25 year high. Also, the percentage of home equity has fallen below 50% for the first time on record."
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"the new game in town, the next bubble, is in carbon credits — a booming trillion- dollar market that barely even exists yet, but will if the Democratic Party that it gave $4,452,585 to in the last election manages to push into existence a groundbreaking new commodities bubble, disguised as an "environmental plan," called cap-and-trade."
That's why WE, the people are not up to more stiumulus, we've been taken to the cleaners too many times. No one trusts the govt to take care of US any longer.
Of course, the same is said of Republicans. They have industries divied up and they "take turns" defending or denigrating depending upon the topic, all the while, taking massive donations to keep up the show.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 16, 2009 7:09 AM
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Will Main Street see much of another stimulus? I doubt it. We don't count – and Washington can't count.
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Posted by: james108 on Jul 16, 2009 8:55 AM
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I don't think we can trust them to do another stimulus. So much of it was funneled to Goldman Sachs and his other backers how can we trust him to write another check of borrowed money we'll have to pay back at high interest to the Fed as well as shooting up inflation?
I hate when they paint it that the stimulus wasn't enough, and don't even broach the idea that it was done wrong, and not in the people's interests. We propped up Goldman debtors and let their competition go out of business why?
Really though, any serious discussion of what we need to do to fix the economy has to address the war hemorrhage. How many trillions have we spent to ensure multinational corporations have control of the world's oil? How many troops do we have stationed across the globe and how much does that cost? Maybe that's why the reality of the situation can't be discussed.
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Posted by: roy f on Jul 16, 2009 9:08 AM
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Therefore, the only way to end this depression is to reverse what has been done in the past 3 decades. Massively transfer wealth back down from the super-rich to everyone else, and ordinary consumers will have more money to spend -- without going into debt to do it. Of course, this will probably never happen, because the super-rich have bought almost all the politicians, and also the mass-media, keeping ordinary people hopelessly confused -- just as this article does. But maybe if enough ordinary people get desperate enough, they will finally wake up, and start coming after the super-rich with guillotines.
Whether we stimulate the economy through tax cuts or greater government spending is irrelevant. What's important is WHO gets those tax cuts or government money, the super-rich or everyone else, therefore whether wealth is being further concentrated or is being unconcentrated. (I personally prefer small-government leftism, of completely eliminating all taxes on ordinary people and instituting negative taxes and a guaranteed minimum income, and having the rich, especially the super-rich, pay ALL the taxes.)
Obama and the Democrats are mostly further concentrating wealth through their massive bailouts of the super-rich, while tossing a few crumbs downward to ordinary people to fool them into thinking they are on their side. They are running up massive deficits to stimulate the economy, but since they are giving most of that money to the super-rich, it is not stimulating the economy. And even better than the Keynesian policy of running up deficits to stimulate the economy, transfering wealth from future generations to the present one, would be to transfer wealth from the super-rich to everyone else.
Decades of nonsensical Republican propaganda about tax cuts vs. big government taxing and spending, deliberately without specifying WHO gets those tax cuts or government money and WHO pays those taxes, has apparently made almost all Americans incapable of thinking clearly about economic policy -- including in this article.
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Posted by: grokagain on Jul 16, 2009 9:39 AM
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As soon as corporations are able to successfully shape the message. Listening to Fox & Friends this morning I see how seemingly populist they're becoming. They will steal the message, and re-shape it in a way that protects corporations and the super wealthy. They always have.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jul 16, 2009 10:36 AM
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'conservative' bush nearly tripled the national debt to just under $12 trillion, not including the obscured outlays of his last year in office via the fed reserve and so forth. add to this the $12.2 which has gone out since late 2007 and unless my math is mistaken; the real national debt is about $23trillion? seems to me this is an unpayable debt and at the best a debt that rests on the backs of the worker and the poorest. the wall street journal reported in 2005 that in most years, 20% of america's millionaires PAID NO TAXES AT ALL! they have the offshore accounts and the hotsy accountants, not us, eh? same with the fortune 500 where huge 'tax breaks' are doled out readily by bribed officialdom.
me, i'm for authentic democracy (not this demockery); i'm for genuine socialism. democracy and socialism SHARE the wealth and power. add a little well-regulated free enterprise and a healthy dose of anarcho-libertarianism and voila! but what we have is the worst of hoarding faux-democracy, corporate-communism blended easily with capitalism run amok (like china...) – in other words, fascism.
mussolini said, "fascism should more properly be called corporatism, as it is the merger of governmental and industrial powers." doesn't that pretty much define america, EU, russia and the PRC? we are just the toejam under these elephant's feet.
jefferson wrote, "it is our fervent hope that we shall crush in its infancy the moneyed aristocracy of the corporations, who already bid defiance to our revolution and the laws of the country." he also said, "banks pose more of a threat to liberty than even tyrants.' yes to both of these, tom!
tragically, it is time for the return of the guilotine. while most all revolutions come full circle right back to more tyrants oppression... sometimes it is just plain necessary. let the rich and powerful find out what it is like to pick food out of the trash for a change.
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Posted by: tazdelaney on Jul 16, 2009 2:16 PM
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but how about this idea... yes, i'm completely serious... we want to make a fake guilotine of moderate size and put it up near or on wall street as an 'impromptu' art/media/activism event. yes, we'd get media coverage. yes the world would twitter and chirp. yes i would likely be illegally arrested and fight it on the grounds of the 1st amendment and various state and city laws providing for free expression, etcetera. so long as they don't throw me in gitmo, no problem.
i could get this done for a few thousand dollars. the 3Cs of publicity are Controversy, Coverage and Credibility, all of which this has. i might finally sell some of my art! want to see some of my work? {http://home.roadrunner.com/~madlaney/taz/spell3.html} do listen to the voiceover of my writing, too.
all inquiries appreciated, thanks. taz delaney
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Posted by: cplot on Jul 16, 2009 2:30 PM
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I am one who tends to favor stimulus spending if done right. However, we’re not getting things done right and as many here in this thread have wisely stated, we need to ask what kind of stimulus before we simply start calling for more stimulus. The TARP (what some are referring to stimulus I) was not a stimulus at all. Even Obama’s stimulus plan called for more money for the bankers which is really a raiding of the treasury and not an economic policy at all.
So the issue that first needs to be addressed is what kind of stimulus. The greatest and most rapid stimulus would come from handouts to the poorest Americans. For example we could have used the TARP money and the original stimulus money to address struggling mortgage holders by re-calibrating mortgage loans to the true value of their underlying assets. We could still do that, but we should consider the trillions already passed to the banks as wasted money and not as stimulus money.
Along with mortgage realignment we could also give funds directly to poorer households (like all those below the median household income). While these households might have many debts, the debts are relatively small and could be paid off by direct transfers to those households and those households will then spend a far greater proportion of their incomes then anyone else. Give a $100 million bonus to a AIG executive and they’ll likely spend far less than half in this uncertain climate. Give $100 million to 10,000 households and they’ll spend more like 90% or more. This transfer directly improves the lives of those in the most need, but it also quickly lifts us all our of this crisis and gets everyone earning higher incomes and increases production.
However, if speed is not the only goal but also prosperity, we should consider accelerating programs that are not shovel ready but maybe only in the idea stage. This might mean that it takes years to have stimulus effect (so best combined with the rapid effects of direct aid to lower income households). However, the investments in high speed rail, rail electrification, desert solar, wind farms, pumped storage hydroelectric, rapid transit, streetcars, trolley buses and other energy and transportation projects would provide a valuable infrastructure to improve the prospects of our descendants.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 16, 2009 2:37 PM
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How about, "all of the above?"
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Posted by: sharonsylvie on Jul 16, 2009 4:37 PM
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Posted by: dayahka on Jul 16, 2009 7:12 PM
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We need more stimulus? No, hardly, we can't afford it, except by "borrowing" from the poor--at the point of a gun, as usual. No, the US and all so-called "advanced" nations need to cut their workweeks, cut pay, and cut their expected GDPs by at least 50%, then stop the Disney and Peter Pan dreams and get people working on oil-less agriculture, car-less culture, and far, far simpler and more frugal lifestyles.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 16, 2009 7:27 PM
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Those who are not rich, on the other hand, have been hung out to dry. Jobless, homeless, sick, and deprived people, who until recently were working, now have nowhere to turn with the destruction of the welfare system and depressed home prices.
That is not change. That is the way America has always treated its working people, except for the New Deal and the post-WWII prosperity. A $2T additional stimulus will be far better in both the long- and short-term than the social disorder looming.
Make no mistake. Americans will continue suffering in large numbers in the absence of direct action by the government. Where's the help when the People need it?
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Posted by: william123 on Jul 17, 2009 11:37 AM
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Posted by: Jonalist on Jul 21, 2009 5:00 AM
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We have a device that can hold a charge for a extended amount of time called a battery, we also have a temporary solution that uses a recycled content that robots could manage more efficently than a human which creates a charge when water is added and holds that charge for a certain amount of time before consumption, its a P-Cell and that would be relief for water purification plants cutting down on the high Ph waters to create electricity as a byproduct.
Although many jobs could end up being taken over by technology some small job that De-Hazes a auto headlight might last a few years, it is almost like shing shoes and could be one day mechanized and controlled by a robot. I was speaking to a De-Hazer of automotive headlights and he became convenienced that his meek job needed a boost, might you consider this so he can help with the bread-butter issue at his home. His overhead is eating up his profit margin and so why should he pay additional tax, he would end up bringing home nothing each month. It is not a career that 100's of people feel it necessary to De-Haze their headlights each month, at $35.00 a pair he does not earn enough to count a Income Tax. If you want a Foundation you need to help him get connected and then every vehicle that passes through can have a De-Hazer employed and his earnings boost from not having to pay the overhead cost of his small job would be enhanced, maybe then he could plan a family of four. He says he would like the job if your willing to help him so until a robot learns what a automotive headlight is and how it gets hazed and how to remove the haze he has the job and could teach you.
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Posted by: Jonalist on Jul 21, 2009 5:05 AM
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Posted by: reelman on Jul 21, 2009 6:05 AM
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White House misses deadline on spending cuts report... UPDATE: Administration Delays Key Budget Report... Poll: Public losing trust in Obama...
Danger signs... RNC: Obama's health care is 'socialism'... UK: Man, 22, Dies After Liver Transplant Refused...
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Reality...secular socialism sux.
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Posted by: itouch backup on Jul 21, 2009 8:29 PM
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Posted by: LiveFree on Jul 23, 2009 4:07 PM
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What this country needs is regulatory reform, ending the borrowing and spending of the past eight years by returning Congress to fiscal sanity (recently eliminating wasteful spending on unneeded war planes is one example), a return to a federal tax system that has corporations and individuals paying an equitable and reasonable rate (by ending loopholes and subsidies and tax cuts for the wealthy who never needed tax cuts in the past 30 years), a return to the rule of law by prosecuting those in the Bush administrations who have broken laws, Congress finally keeping its promise to fund 40 percent of special education (instead of the 18 percent it has been providing states), providing tax benefits for creating new green jobs, a carbon tax like Sweden has been prospering from for over a decade, severe reduction of unnecessary government and government costs, and finding ways to help states balance their budgets.
Citizens must take back their government by lobbying Congress and the White House and holding every elected public official accountable.
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Posted by: When In Doubt on Jul 23, 2009 4:39 PM
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Me thinks that applies also to the on-line economists congregated here.
How could we send all these ideas to President Obama?
He needs a good laugh about now.
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Posted by: hahaho on Jul 30, 2009 7:42 AM
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