Adam and Eve Did What? A Visit to the Creationism Museum Makes Scientists Laugh, Cry

What's so bad about simply bequeathing humanity to its idiots?

Fine. Come take it.

I'll take my pride from being part of Earthlife, and from the fact that my reaction to being part of its cancer, humanity, has been cosmically deep embarrassment.

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it might be helpful if the article were to identify the location of the museum or perhaps the conference attended?

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This piece would be of value to sympathetic readers among us, if it as much as offered location details. Are we supposed to know where this museum is located ( is there only one in the country? )
What other like-minded aberrations can we find within a small radius?
When was it built? By whom? Who paid for it? Who goes to see it? Does it make a profit? How does the neighboring community feel about it? Any hints?
It's nice to know how much it cost to build, and what the square footage happens to be, but honestly, what is the point of writing an article on scientific illiteracy and selective information gathering when the writer cannot even do a slightly better job of penning a simple article?
This is why Journalism is sorely needed on the Web.

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Kentucky isn't the only one. There's one in Big Valley, Alberta (Canada) too, and many others according to http://creationwiki.org/Creation_museum.

Delusional idiots, all of them (IMHO).

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I had no idea paleontologists were so sensitive.

It must have been scary for humans to live during the same time that the T Rex was a vegetarian...acting all superior and constantly lecturing everybody about the evils of eating meat.

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they're watching the Flintstones like it's a documentary.

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As a Kentuckian, it never fails to confound me how we "reason" here. A bill to allow slot machines at racetracks and off-track betting parlors was defeated to "save the family." Instead, we promote nonsense such as this Creationist Museum to save our families. Go figure.

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i am aware that most kentuckians have a good head on their shoulders...nevertheless they should have run ken ham, the founder of the creation museum out of town. but that's hard to do when it's such a money-maker, around $17 million last year, people come from all over the country to visit this monument to ignorance.

its entire “theory” of creationism is based on fake science, the same methods used by other wackaloon institutions like the Templeton Foundation, or the Discovery Institute, that doesn’t like it when you point out their fallacies. The creation museum is on the same level as this business where you can reserve a spot in heaven for $12.95 or 9.95 if you pay cash.

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They despise the idea that we are merely animals, yet Condemn Eve for having facilitiated our ability to be the top species through 'Knowledge'. In fact If Eve would not have eaten the apple would we even be able to conceptualize the idea of a 'God'? I doubt my Bassethound says a nightly prayer. I have yet to see a Dog Bible, or K-9's artistic rendition of a Biblical story.
Why is it considered more 'devote' to study 'God' from mere texts than to utilize the vast evidence of the physical world?
Failing to use the brain capacity we have been granted is doing a disservice to ourselves, the planet and an insult to whatever granted us this magnificant brain.
If 'Eve' is the one who accepted the Management position of 'Gods Green Earth'- I should think the HOLEY Rollers should be praising her name for giving Us the abiliity to not only study this grand 'creation', but revere the 'Creator'.Apparently, If left to 'Adam' we would be Still living in caves, eating raw meat and licking our asses clean.
Thanks Eve!

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just like Sulo pursuaded your local authority into buying its big plastic wheeled bins?

Some entrepreneur (the very word raises my hackles) saw a niche market. Would be interesting to know who built this palace of ignorance and for how much?

It is wrong to make money out of lies.

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http://creationmuseum.org/

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but I only stopped to buy bourbon. I think my priorities were correct.

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The Howard Univerity professor you quoted as shaking his head at touring the creationist museum is identified in your story as "an anatomist and a Christian." Isn't this oxymoronic? These people are the enablers of religious bigotry and anti-science. You cannot be a scientist and a Christian. Scientists know that homo sapiens came into being about 200,000 years ago, while Christians teach that our species is are only about 6,000 years old. Scientists know that dinosaurs disappeared 65 million years ago, while Christians claim that we walked with dinosaurs. Some things cannot be reconciled. It is impossible to be a real Christian and a scientist.

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Creationism is such an easily refuted set of bs facts.
If we can believe that garbage, what protects us from unscrupulous leaders telling us anything at all, and having us believe it?
Well, nothing. Certainly not the press, certainly not our scientific community.
Neither of these institutions have helped us assess and understand that we were lied to about 911. Facts, evidence, science..........all ignored in telling the story about the 19 hijackers.

One day there will be a 911 museum, and a few people will still believe the official story, while scientists and journalists and other "sophistocated" people will stream along its hallways laughing at how stupid people could be to believe the official story nonsense.

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i wonder when they get sick do they go to the museum & pray to get better, or do they go to that science guy/gal doctor thingy. hmmmmm

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"I think there's a lot of focus on fear, and I don't think that's a very Christian message... I find it a malicious manipulation of the public."


I dunno... when the basics of your faith are believe in this particular god or you will burn in hell for all eternity, that seems pretty damned fear based.

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The average IQ is still only 100. Just think what it would be if it weren't for these idiots.

So, I can live forever if I prove I love a zombie called Jesus by practicing ritual cannibalism and vampirism because a talking snake told a rib lady to eat magic fruit so she'd be smarter.

Extracted from the Bible Cliff Notes.

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One great contribution we can thank our Creationist subscribers for, other than the economic stimulation encouraged among the hordes of Barnum suckers, is that they do make the pursuit of humanism and atheism far more acceptable and indeed necessary if we are to survive.

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I don't believe I have ever read a group of more idiotic comments than some of the above. Believe what you will and leave the other side alone. We are all entitled to our beliefs.
Contrary to what you or them think, creation and evolution are still theories and neither side is proven to be fact dispite what all the so-called Christians or scientist think. Just because it is in print doesn't mean its true.
How many of us were around 100 years ago let alone 1000 or 1,000,000 years. The professor from Howard isn't the only one shaking his head and rubbing his chin. I'll just bet you God in Heaven is doing the same and asking where in the hell do they come up with this stuff.

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Lisa Park of the University of Akron cried at one point as she walked a hallway full of flashing images of war, famine and natural disasters which the museum blames on belief in evolution.

Wasn't the theory of evolution first conceptualized in 1800s? Didn't war, famine and natural disaster exist prior to that time?

Were those horrible things just part of the sin of eating an apple?
Is the theory of evolution another result of the negative consequence of that eating of the apple?
Wasn't that apple the apple of knowledge?
And do we really want to stay ignorant?
Isn't being able to figure things out a consequence of eating the apple?
Is knowledge a sin?

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Just misconstrued.

It's not a belief in evolution that kills us -- God created things to "evolve."

It's a DIS-belief in God that causes the problems. Evolution was instituted by God for everything in life to inherently recreate, regenerate and procreate.

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If you put so much faith in skull bones and jaw bones, why do you ignore the rest of the story? What else has survived in the archaeological record? From the earliest sites what survived is a record of their rituals. Religion is fundamentally a human quality in the archaeological record. Is religion just a rational step in understanding the space time continuum and science is the next step in human evolution? Is religion just a rational step in understanding more than one dimension and science is just a tool? Make your choice and place a bet. In ten thousand years we will see who digs up your bones.

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This article is funny, and it gets us to challenge those who take this creationism nonsense seriously. But don't underestimate those who choose to believe in it.

First, I often post comments in places like YouTube and other web sites. I'm sometimes amazed at what I get in response. (It's usually from those who purport to be "conservative," not necessarily "creationist." Despite centuries of science, academic rigor, legal decisions, the believers in these fairy tales hold on to their beliefs. And their holding on is, to them, a sign of the righteousness of their cause!

(I'm just now listening to an interesting course from the Teaching Company entitled "The Conservative Tradition." From that, I'm beginning to understand where some of this idiotic "reasoning" comes from.)

Anyway, don't immediately discount places like the Creationist Museum, or Orlando's "Holy Land." They DO, alas, have an audience, and they take themselves seriously.

I wish I knew what to do to counter them, but it doesn't do us any good to simply discount them as if they had no influence.

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"I feel very sorry for teachers when the children who come here start guessing if what they're being taught is wrong," Jardine said.

I'm guessing that the majority of the "teachers" whose students tour the creation science museums are homeschooling moms ~ so they're going to be delighted when their kids question evolution.

This article very well expresses the atomosphere and feelings of fear and negativity generated by the creation scientists.

Unfortunately ~ homeschooling is growing ~ exponentially as those who teach their children at home have an average of 4 children per family ~ significantly more than the average American family.

Be ready to deal with the fallout ~ creation science ~ along with extreme fundamentalism ~ is on the rise and the children being raised in fear, ignornance and strictly sheltered from "the world" are coming of age.

I know because we got into homeschooling and bought the whole package ~ until my oldest daughter (who graduated from homeschool) couldn't take the fear and isolation any more ~ she attempted suicide and that was my wake up call.

No Longer Quivering

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the cost of an admission ticket to this crapola? It's $21.95 for an adult, and that includes ages 13-59. Way to go! No wonder pregnant teens (thanks to abstinence-only education) aren't a big deal - guess they're really adults!

Not even for a laugh would I pay them $22 to be preached at and misinformed. I can think of far better things to buy with that money.

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I knew about the whole TRex was a vegetarian nonsense, but I was really bowled over at the claim that it was a "belief in evolution" that is responsible for global human suffering, including the history of human warfare.

I mean, really? Cuz that isn't just an ignorance of science, that's an ignorance of basic world history.

The theory of evolution isn't even two hundred years old. Quick: think of all the wars and death that have resulted historically from some religious group forceably removing, converting, enslaving, or just plain killing nonbelievers... Which example pops in your head first?

Off the top of my head: The Crusades? The Spanish Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? Columbus? The Trail of Tears? The California Spanish Missions? Southern slavery (justified via the Christian Bible)?

Maybe we should set up a George Carlin museum across the way as a counterpoint. We could begin with his bit about how God is actually THE leading cause of death. It goes something like this:

"You believe in God?"
"No."
Boom, dead.

"You believe in God?"
"Yes."
"You believe in my God?"
"No."
Boom, dead.

Here's a thought: some Christian nutjob from Tennessee shot up a church last year to kill people who didn't agree with him politically. Recently, another right-wing lunatic went into a Holocaust museum to kill some folks as some wouldbe revenge against the Jews. When was the last time we had an evolutionary biologist start shooting up a church because its followers don't "believe" in evolution?

UGH. I need a drink, and it's not even noon.

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Since when is it "news" to make fun of people stupid enough to believe that crap? Just because some one isn't born with the intelligence to recognize lies when they are told to them, does not make them suitable targets for for your vendetta.

I bet you make fun of the kids in the Special Olympics too, it is an equivalent to what you are doing.

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But I'm laughing anyway because of the above comments. It's such a pleasure to read what people with BRAINS have to say.
I've reconciled myself to the fact that there are dummies all around us who are immune to logic, reason, Scientific Method, and the (otherwise) upward progression of the human condition, despite them. I only wish there weren't so MANY of them.
If you haven't already, beg, borrow, or steal Charles P. Pierce's book: "Idiot America" and the DVD of Bill Maher's movie: "Religulous".
You'll laugh 'till you cry.

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Ok, so this incident occured at my family's 2005 July 4th celebration. I remember the date because I was there very much against my will.

Setup: My family is from the same area of Western NY that "produced" Timothy McVeigh, and the protagonist of our story--my uncle--is a member of the militia right.

Sad for me, I know.

Anyway, over our lovely outdoor meal--the usual American barbeque--my uncle announces that the Iraq war wouldn't be so difficult if we just adopted the most obvious solution:

"Use nukes to kill every last one of them and then we can just resettle the area."

The rest of the family nodded or voiced agreement. I, never one to know my place as a woman, quipped, "Yeah, genocide. That's the solution." My mother, quaking with fear, interrupted, "Oh, don't get HER started!" The remainder of the day was preoccupied with me fighting with her--a fight we've had for nearly 2 decades--about why she insists on defending the moronic men in our family who advocate violence as the solution to every problem (micro and macro) and, worse, join them in their attacks on me for trying to speak to some countervision of equity, peace, and a world beyond fear. So, my own stupidity emerges at this point in our story: we both know why she does that, so there's no reason even arguing about it.

Ah, the sanctity of family.

To the point: putting aside the madness of his argument, consider how much scientific ignorance it reveals. He clearly doesn't know that to use enough nuclear firepower to kill every Iraqi would, for one, make Iraq uninhabitable and, for another, would kill millions upon millions of people outside of Iraq's borders, including some of those precious white people he thinks are God's chosen few.

He doesn't know what radioactive fallout is. And he doesn't know that because he doesn't know what an isotope is. Sh**, I'd bet he couldn't tell you an atom is either.

So, to this story about the creationist museum. If the "average" (oh please tell me these people aren't the average) American doesn't know basic science, it can be reduced to this bs about "it's just one opinion against another" or "your belief isn't my belief."

If you don't know what an atom is, you don't know what an isotope is. If you don't know what an isotope is, you can't know what half-life means. And if you don't know what half-life means, you can't understand radioactive carbon dating.

So, if you don't know all that, when a scientist tells you that a dinosaur bone is 650,000 years old (and that no human remains date from that time) you can rest easy in your claim that "that's just his opinion" because you don't know how he figured out the age of the bone in the first place.

I tell ya, in graduate school I was surrounded by humanities academics who, while good-intentioned, thought that the "best" teaching model was one where people sat around sharing their personal experiences all day long. And I would want to rip my hair out of my head: substantive knowledge, including scientific knowledge, matters. And it matters to politics. And it matters to issues of human survival and global suffering.

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The Church is a perfect example of this. Condemn evolution and you condemn your own ability to evolve - and it shows.

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Well, if the USA weren't all ready a laughing stalk in Europe over the "freedom fries" brouhaha, this will surely send us over the top.

I want to thank all the evil corporate bastards who've funded these fundamentalist morons over the years for making it possible that the United States now looks for all the world like one giant hillbilly theme park.

Yee-haw!!

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Thanks to those who commented on my comment. They were anything but idiotic. I believe there is one item that is consistently overlooked however, and that is the assumptions. Evolutions based on certain assumptions as is Christianity. I believe in creation but I reject the mainstream Christian assumptions of an arbitrary and capricious God. If creation science is based on that, it will fail every time. People can kick these issues to death but it still come down to what a person is willing to believe and why. There is much credible science behind creation, but unfortunatly the "nutjobs" are in front pushing their agenda.

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The GOP is nothing but awful ideas that hurt 95% of Americans...The poorer the worse they are for you. So you have to be a complete fucking idiot to vote for the GOP and to actually believe in the validity of their positions. Hence the GOP's targeting of fundies: These are people who already demonstrated their willingness to swallow any amount of silly bullshit regardless of the facts and their ready availability. Every con man knows to target the biggest sucker.

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Proof, facts, critical thinking, logical reasoning and scientific discovery do not exist when discussing the existence of any religious God or religious creationist "myths". And yes, I have much experience in these areas and have discussed these subjects in great detail. I have not seen one iota of proof, facts, critical thinking, logical reasoning and/or scientific discovery.

BTW, the concept of religious faith has been passed on through "indoctrination" for various reasons. Further more, religious faith is a human abstraction passed on by indoctrination. I am still waiting for anyone to demonstate to me that a religious God and/or religious creationist myths truly exists utilizing proof, facts, scientific method, critical thinking, and/or logical reasoning. Until then, I am skeptical at best.

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I just finished reading Charles P. Pierce's book: "Idiot America" (with a bow to willymack). In the introduction, he describes a visit to the creation museum as the motivation for the book. One statue of Adam was as devoid of genitalia as Barbara Millicent Rogers' boyfriend. Ken Ham must have used his own body as a model - mannequins don't have brains either.

What I can't understand is why the appropriately named Ham established a religious foundation based on a British art-rock group that flourished in the 1970s and '80s.

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Why? Children under 5 get free admission. Anyone who visits the museum to "learn" something obviously has a developmental learning disability and should be regarded as a 5 year old with all the rights and privileges that comes with it.

Anyone who goes there for "yucks" (both laughs and perhaps vomiting) should be charged full price.

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One comment, by marjani, read
"It's a DIS-belief in God that causes the problems."

This is a common viewpoint: Humans need to believe in God, whether He really exists or not, so that they will be moral (e.g. because they fear God's wrath).

However this view seems to be contrary to the facts. Arabs, Israelis, and right-wing Americans are among the most religious people today, but many would place some of these as among the least moral. (Exclude, e.g., Buddhism which does not depend on a belief in God, let alone His wrath.)

(It's a different topic, but I'm a fan of Julian Jaynes who, very roughly, attributes the origin of religion to a sort of hypnosis needed for the transition to Neolithic society.)

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The "THOU SHALT NOT DRINK WHILE PREGNANT!" dogma is just that: dogma. It's less than 30 years old, based on some pretty muddy research, and yet is treated like revealed wisdom from Mt. Sinai.

I'm Grandma age, and the mother of several children. I've lived long enough to have seen the medical profession utterly reverse itself on many of its once-cherished tenets, and I know that, in private, most OB/GYNs think this one is utter bullshit.

Yes, fetal alcohol syndrome harms babies. But to develop FAS in your coming child, you have to be pretty much constantly pickled, as in, four or five drinks every day ... or more.

But, in a masterful display of "Cover Your Ass", the medical profession (which, like most of America, craves binary, black-and-white, Manichaean judgments over reason and sanity and *MUCH* more than, say, preaching responsibility and moderation) has decided that *ALL* alcohol consumption is risky.

Light and/or infrequent consumption is not risky.

Enjoy your weekly margarita or glass of wine, as long as you're a person who can stop at one drink.

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Prediction: The creation museum will end up becoming a mausoleum for the dead ideas of christianity. It will be another stop on the road kitsch tour along with the corn palace, the world's largest ball of twine, and cadillac ranch.

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The pathetically moronic paying visitors to the super-ridiculous "creation" museum deserve what awaits them: separation from their hard-earned money while being served more born-again dumb-you-down Christian™ brand kool-aid.

"Step right up, Folks! See the amazing dinosaurs cavorting in the Garden of Eden as Earth's Very First Family breaks God's immutable law with tragic consequences for all of humanity. Hurry, hurry, hurry, step right up!"

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How much does it cost to make something like this? Seriously, if there's only one of these in the US - in KY, of all places - it seems to me like this is a high-growth opportunity.

*starts making phone calls*

#@!

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