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Obama Must Strongly and Unequivocally Condemn the Coup in Honduras

By Roberto Lovato, AlterNet. Posted June 29, 2009.


Failure to take actions that send a clear message of condemnation will be devastating to the still-fragile U.S. image in Latin America.

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Viewed from a distance, the streets of Honduras look, smell and sound like those of Iran: Expressions of popular anger -- burning vehicles, large marches and calls for justice in a non-English language -- aimed at a constitutional violation of the people’s will (the coup took place on the eve of a poll of voters asking if the President's term should be extended); protests repressed by a small, but powerful elite backed by military force; those holding power trying to cut off communications in and out of the country.

These and other similarities between the political situation in Iran and the situation in Honduras, where military and economic and political elites ousted democratically-elected President Manuel Zelaya in a military coup condemned around the world, are obvious.

But when viewed from the closer physical (Miami is just 800 miles from Honduras) and historical proximity of the United States, the differences between Iran and Honduras are marked and clear in important ways: the M-16’s pointing at this very moment at the thousands of peaceful protesters are paid for with U.S. tax dollars and still carry a "Made in America" label; the military airplane in which they kidnapped and exiled President Zelaya was purchased with the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid the Honduran government has been the benefactor of since the Cold War military build-up that began in 1980’s; the leader of the coup, General Romeo Vasquez, and many other military leaders repressing the populace received "counterinsurgency" training at the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC), formerly known as the infamous "School of the Americas," responsible for training those who perpetrated the greatest atrocities in the Americas.

The big difference between Iran and Honduras? President Obama and the U.S. can actually do something about a military crackdown that our tax dollars are helping pay for. That Vasquez and other coup leaders were trained at the WHINSEC, which also trained Augusto Pinochet and other military dictators responsible for the deaths, disappearances and tortures of hundreds of thousands in Latin America, sends profound chills across a region still trying to overcome decades of U.S.-backed militarism.

Hemispheric concerns about the coup were expressed in the rapid, historic and almost universal condemnation of the plot by almost all Latin American governments. Such concerns in the region represent an opportunity for the United States. But, while the Honduran coup represents a major opportunity for Obama to make real his recent and repeated calls for a "new" relationship to the Americas, failure to take actions that send a rapid and unequivocal denunciation of the coup will be devastating to the Honduran people -- and to the still-fragile U.S. image in the region.

Recent declarations by the Administration -- expressions of "concern" by the President and statements by Secretary of State Clinton recognizing Zelaya as the only legitimate, elected leader of Honduras -- appear to indicate preliminary disapproval of the putsch. Yet, the even more unequivocal statements of condemnation from U.N. General Assembly President Miguel D’Escoto, the Organization of American States, the European Union, and the Presidents of Argentina, Costa Rica and many other governments raise greatly the bar of expectation before the Obama Administration.


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Roberto Lovato, a frequent Nation contributor, is a New York-based writer with New America Media.

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coup folllowed on Gollingers blog
Posted by: brianct on Jun 29, 2009 12:29 AM   
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Gollinger on coup

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SOTA/WHISC/WHINSEC?
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jun 29, 2009 12:31 AM   
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Whatever the hell they're calling it this week, isn't it about time this damned atrocity was shut down for good? I mean, it's pretty hard for the US government (any US government) to pretend to care about justice and human rights, with that pustulant boil sitting there. They've had their fingers in just about every South and Central American atrocity for the last half a century, without having anything honourable in their record.

There's an old maxim to the effect that it doesn't matter what you say: what matters is what you do. And for the last X decades, the US has been doing a whole lot of nasty stuff - torture, overthrow of governments, repression, and general naughtiness. Regardless of how squeaky clean Obama looks and sounds, no-one's going to relax until the actions match the words.

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» RE: SOTA/WHISC/WHINSEC have got to go Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Obama's Choice is Clear ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 29, 2009 1:00 AM   
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... Repression or Democracy ... With the influence that the United States has over Honduras it is also clear that Obama can have Zelaya reinstated ...

Excuses won't do, only reinstatement. The failure to reinstate will show the whole world who Obama really is ... a shill for the corporatocracy.

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» RE: Obama's Choice is Clear ... Posted by: expatyank
Seamless Sleaze
Posted by: RevolutionNet on Jun 29, 2009 2:15 AM   
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Impeach Obama

FREE AMERICA

REVOLUTIONARY (DIRECT) DEMOCRACY

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morgan1
Posted by: morgan1 on Jun 29, 2009 4:06 AM   
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If the ousted President was moving left, forming alliances with Chavez and others who have had enough of US involvement and control over their country,it stands to reason the US would want him gone and someone more friendly, more able to control, in place. How do we know the coup was not funded by the US to stop this drift to the left? It's been done plenty of times and down there. Fragile US reputation? What an understatement. South and Central America knows all too well our reputation for ignoring the sovereignty of all countries!

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» RE: morgan1 Posted by: Aquinas
» Good points. Posted by: Spot
Amusing article
Posted by: xi_people on Jun 29, 2009 4:13 AM   
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Why would Obama condemn the Honduras coup when his administration helped to facilitate it?

Does anyone but the most dull believe in the fantasy of America serving as some sort of moral standard for the world?

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» RE: Amusing article Posted by: Aquinas
» RE: Amusing article Posted by: Spot
Coup masters murder left wing politician
Posted by: brianct on Jun 29, 2009 4:44 AM   
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Theyve also committed murder:

'The National Police said that César Ham Peña, a legislative deputy for the leftist Democratic Unification of Honduras, was killed the morning of June 28 when a squad came to arrest him at his home. Police sources claimed that he had confronted the squad with a pistol and had to be killed. Ham was one of the main organizers of the referendum. (El Financiero, June 28, some from Notimex; NarcoNews, June 2'
left wing politician murdered

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Really Roberto?
Posted by: Aquinas on Jun 29, 2009 5:21 AM   
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Read a few comments and see how more and more Norte Americanos are questioning your contention that America "has to do something".

Americans are on the verge of disbanding the CIA, that usurper of all duly elected governments; the general populace, like the world, is just about fed up with the filthy machinations of that secretive bunch of 14K bastards whose secret budgets make them unaccountable to anyone.

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» disband the CIA? Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: disband the CIA? Posted by: Spot
» RE: maybe Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: maybe Posted by: Spot
» Smells Like CIA Spirit Posted by: FoonTheElder
» RE: Smells Like CIA Spirit Posted by: Patriot.Rose
» RE: eally Roberto? Posted by: hilaryuk
Yeah right
Posted by: aawindoze on Jun 29, 2009 5:26 AM   
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Are you kidding me. Who cares about Honduras, Iran, Iraq or even Afghanistan. Dont we have enough of our own problems as it is??

RT
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» RE: Yeah right Posted by: Aquinas
» Don't click on link in the above post! Posted by: raginghormones
He just might.
Posted by: PJAW on Jun 29, 2009 5:38 AM   
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After all, it would be much easier to condemn a coup in Honduras than to condemn the one that gave us George W. Bush here at home. And if he's shown us anything (soaring rhetoric aside) it's his propensity to take the course of action that offers the least political resistance. Meddling in a Central American country might even garner "bi-partisan" support, and we know how important that is. Hell, it's absolutely imperative if we're going to be the last "developed nation" to finally implement a national health plan.

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» RE: He just might. Posted by: willymack
» RE: If it gets "bi-partisan" support Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: He just might. Posted by: JSquercia
Only Americans think Latin America loves US foreign policies!
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 29, 2009 6:08 AM   
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devastating to the still-fragile U.S. image in Latin America???

are you serious??

are you implying the US has a GOOD image in Latin America??


only among the folks who like what you've been up to with torture, coups, disappearances & other horrors...

you know, the folks who make their money off the same shit that has finally moved home to America...

yeah, among the fascist ReichWingers, you're batting 1000

if you work for a US corporate entity in Latin America ... you might like the US if you're in the union busting business!


Perspective.

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Honduras is a wholly-owned USer Client State
Posted by: woody, tokin' librul on Jun 29, 2009 6:30 AM   
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Nothing that happens there in the government happens WITHOUT USer (CIA) approval, which has controlled the place since the bad old days of the Ragin' Reagan contra wars and CIA coke flights.

It seems as though the overthrown leader was trying to reduce USer influence.

That's a no-no. As they have now learned...

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Military Coup led by School Of America graduate Romeo Vasquez.
Posted by: TFYQA on Jun 29, 2009 6:34 AM   
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What is the School Of America ?

The School of the Americas (SOA), in 2001 renamed the “Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation,” is a combat training school for Latin American soldiers, located at Fort Benning, Georgia.

Initially established in Panama in 1946, it was kicked out of that country in 1984 under the terms of the Panama Canal Treaty. Former Panamanian President, Jorge Illueca, stated that the School of the Americas was the “biggest base for destabilization in Latin America.” The SOA, frequently dubbed the “School of Assassins,” has left a trail of blood and suffering in every country where its graduates have returned.

Over its 59 years, the SOA has trained over 60,000 Latin American soldiers in counterinsurgency techniques, sniper training, commando and psychological warfare, military intelligence and interrogation tactics. These graduates have consistently used their skills to wage a war against their own people. Among those targeted by SOA graduates are educators, union organizers, religious workers, student leaders, and others who work for the rights of the poor. Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans have been tortured, raped, assassinated, “disappeared,” massacred, and forced into refugee by those trained at the School of Assassins.

SOA linked text

“It’s here that the American dream decided it liked the taste of the vomit it was chocking on. Just rolled over on its back and screamed for more drugs. it didn't die.“ - Warren Ellis

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The coup was wrong but Zelaya isn't blameless
Posted by: brunowe on Jun 29, 2009 6:44 AM   
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He had been running roughshod over his country's constitution of late.

The crisis started when President Zelaya set up what was ostensibly a "non-binding" referendum to call a constitutional convention. However, there have been suspicions that he intended to revise the constitution to permit him to run for re-election as his term ends later this year.

As the Honduran constitution explicitly bars attempts to change it regarding executive term limits, the Honduran Supreme Court declared it illegal and ordered the confiscation of the election materials. Its position regarding the referendum's illegality has been endorsed by the Honduran Congress, the attorney general and the top electoral tribunal. Zelaya ignored that ruling.

Further, when the military refused to distribute the election materials (which is normally their job) in compliance with the Supreme Court, Zelaya dismissed the military commander and ignored a Supreme Court ruling ordering his reinstatement.

Having said all that, the military's action should've been limited to enforcement of the Supreme Court's ruling barring the referendum and the Supreme Electoral Tribunal's order for the confiscation of the electoral materials relating to it. It is up to the Honduran Congress to impeach the President and the military should've taken no action unless that had happened.

Consequently, US actions must be directed towards Zelaya's reinstatement for the remainder of his term. On the other hand, it should also assert that the support of constitutional government in Honduras cuts both ways and that support for Zelaya does not extent to his disregard for his country's constitution.

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» way way off Posted by: hooka
» you don't give up Posted by: hooka
» RE: you don't give up Posted by: brunowe
» RE: you don't give up Posted by: Spot
» Your hand certainly doesn't. Posted by: brunowe
» RE: way way off Posted by: Patriot.Rose
Official statements:
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Jun 29, 2009 7:07 AM   
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Obama Washington Post April 20:

But Obama failed to win over Bolivia's leader, Evo Morales, who said the U.S. government continues to meddle in his country and called on Obama to publicly repudiate a recently uncovered assassination plot against him. Last year, Morales expelled the U.S. ambassador to La Paz and kicked out the Drug Enforcement Administration on suspicion of working with his political opposition.

Obama said he is "absolutely opposed and condemn any efforts at violent overthrows of democratically elected governments."


Comapare that to the pasty bland statement put out by the White House today:

"I am deeply concerned by reports coming out of Honduras regarding the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya. As the Organization of American States did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference."

That's no exactly a condemnation of the coup and a call for the return of the elected President, is it? Furthermore, shouldn't 'outside influence' be exerted in this case, just as in Iran? Would Obama have said that about Iran? No - he condemned the Iranian government in very strong terms.

Here's what Zelaya has to say, as reported in the LA Times:

The previous military coups often had U.S. backing or blessing. Perhaps recalling that history, Zelaya on Sunday speculated that the U.S. might have had a hand in his ouster. "If the United States is not behind this coup, then the plotters won't last 48 hours in power," he said.

U.S. officials denied involvement.

Honduras was for years a faithful ally to the United States. In the 1980s, Honduras lent its territory to U.S. and U.S.-backed forces fighting to overthrow the Sandinista government in neighboring Nicaragua. But as U.S. interest in the region waned after the Cold War and crises elsewhere demanded attention, Honduras joined many other Latin American countries that moved further to the left and away from Washington's sphere of influence.


This could have been pushed by Republican interests in the U.S. out to cause trouble, or by corporate interests concerned about trade deals all across the region, all without Obama's knowledge...

But don't forget, the only permanent U.S. military base in the region is in Honduras - and many Honduras soldiers are trained at the notorious School of the Americas in Georgia.

Is Honduras going to go back to Banana Republic status? Curiouser and curiouser...

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MR Chomsky is right
Posted by: Zimbly on Jun 29, 2009 7:29 AM   
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He has always stated that some of the worst "crimes of state" were perpetuated under the Democrat's cloak..the Repugs are in your face but the "status quo" is alive and well under Obama.

I will say this about Obama, he is a good man, but this shows you how little control and influence he has over foreign policy matters that are deeply entrenched...you can almost see Obama wincing when the "alcoholic disfiunctional " Pentagon..wants just one more coup, one more war...common Daddy...I promise not to nuke Iran if you let me at least kick them in the balls....how about a fake shooting.... lets say a a "beautiful Iranian woman gets shot by the Evil Regime".....we'll have all the cameras there set up ready for the "martyr of the Iranian Democratic movement"... yeah that should work ...yeah...what?? She was not involved in the protest....nobody will ask...what??? the protest was 2 blocks away and suddenly there were cameras and vid cams everywhere.....sooooo..coincidence....what?...She was shot from behind and many suspect this was plot ??????..Don't worry about that as long as we get the photos,,ok.....now back to Honduras...... did you phone "United Fruit" to tell them not to worry , we have everything under control now.


Yeah and the Mullahs have promised OIl for US dollars,,so we've decided to back off for a bit...but if they try that again...................

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Obama's a world class jerk
Posted by: chlamor on Jun 29, 2009 8:05 AM   
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Everyone who believed in this man should admit to their mistake and never, ever play with the imperial-lite Dems again.

Those who still believe in the hope-change marketing brand are probably unreachable and fully support the empire as long as it is done out of sight, which doesn't take much considering the Mighty Wurlitzer and the people's seemingly endless reservoir for gullibility.

What's it gonna take folks? You been had as you didn't read the fine print? Aren't you outraged? What now?

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I love it
Posted by: willymack on Jun 29, 2009 8:29 AM   
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The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Does anyone out there seriously believe the "coup" in Honduras wasn't orchestrated at the behest of some corporate bigwig(s) here, and shoved down the throats of bought off government officials, for their benefit alone?
The aforementioned bigwigs are the REAL enemies and the REAL terrorists of our people, as well as the people of nations worldwide. Remember Iraq and Afghanistan?

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» RE: We are so used to being lied to Posted by: Sister_Lauren
History, pragmatism and the Honduras coup
Posted by: goodsensecynic on Jun 29, 2009 8:43 AM   
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In theory, since the proclamation of the Monroe Doctrine in 1823, the United States has increasingly asserted its rights of hegemony over the Western Hemisphere.

In practice, the Louisiana Purchase of 1803, the War of 1812-14 (intended to capture Canada), the annexations of Florida and Texas, the Mexican-American War, the "Oregon Treaty," the Gadsden Purchase, the annexation of California, the purchase of Alaska, the annexation of Hawai'i, the "resolution" of the Alaska panhandle dispute in 1896 and the Spanish-American War (to say nothing of the wars of conquest - which many call "genocidal" - against Native Americans) are all examples of relentless American territorial expansionism in the nineteenth century alone.

In the twentieth century, the USA has seldom sought more than temporary occupation of foreign lands; instead, it has mainly been content to overthrow or to conspire to overthrow democratic governments that it deems contrary to its material or strategic interests (Iran, 1953; Guatemala, 1954; Dominican Republic, 1965; Chile, 1973) or to sustain in power autocracies and cruel dictatorships that permit American economic exploitation of their people and resources in return for political and military support.

With this in mind, and despite official denials and expressions of "concern," it is hard to imagine that the US was not somehow involved in the coup in Honduras.

Now, however, President Obama's much lauded "pragmatism" is fully in play. Ever preferring calculated self-interest to political principle, he has already shown support for the government of Colombia with its shoddy human rights record, and has persisted in the campaigns to undermine the governments of Venezuela, Bolivia and other "left-leaning" democracies in Latin America. It therefore comes as no surprise that Mr. Obama seems less troubled by a "friendly" military dictatorship on his door-step than by alleged irregularities in an election in the oil-rich Middle East.

It is surely not too soon to ask some questions:

1. Did the CIA help plan, enable and facilitate the (one hopes) temporary destruction of a democratic government?

2. Assuming its crafty "intelligence" service was performing at its usual high level of efficiency, and suspecting that it at least knew of the coup in advance, was the CIA content merely to stand aside and monitor events without warning US authorities or the Honduran government?

3. Now that a democratically elected president has been forced into exile (though, we may be thankful, not assassinated), can Mr. Obama be embarrassed into strengthening his alleged "concerns," and joining with other nations in condemning this abomination?

4. In the alternative, will he simply ride out a small public relations squall, and wait for spasmodically attentive Americans to forget this story, while the majority of chronically inattentive Americans blithely ignore it?

5. Will Congress have the temerity to seek to discover (if its leading foreign and defence policy "experts" do not already know) the nature and extent of American culpability?

6. Regardless of the answer to question #5, will Congress invest what energy it may retain in the effort to right this egregious wrong?

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CIA is out of control
Posted by: bettyn on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM   
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It's no secret that the CIA doesn't answer to the executive, legislative, or judicial branches in our government. It continues to operate by its own agenda, and that is serving the corporatocracy in any way it can. The Bushes might as well still be in power as they appear to remain firmly in control of this so-called government entity for their benefit and that of their fellow travelers. It is long past time for a thorough housecleaning in McLean and some serious oversight in running this rogue extension of our government. If anyone inside this organization had anything to do with this coup in Honduras, the best thing we can do is hold all involved immediately accountable and make sure Mr. Zeyala is returned to power ASAP.

Enough is enough!

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» RE: CIA is out of control Posted by: JSquercia
bullets courtesy of Chiquita
Posted by: ZeeBruce on Jun 29, 2009 9:34 AM   
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The USA has intervened, to put it politely, in the affairs of Honduras for more than a century, but not to insure democracy but rather to insure that United Fruit, now Chiquita, could continue to oppress the population in order to maximize profits. It is really the logical extension of free market capitalism that predates the recent events in this country under Reagan and his trickle down economics. When I was actively traveling around Honduras in the 1980's I was struck by the entirely military presence of our government with many US soldiers flying around the country in helicopter gun ships and walking around in the villages in uniform and with their weapons to let the people know that the repressive government had the full backing of the USA military. While the Japanese government was funding roads and bridges in the country, our government was providing military material to enable the Honduran elites and Chiquita executives to subjugate the people of the country. Quite a deal when companies like Chiquita, and Chevron, and Shell can get the US taxpayer to pay for the use of American soldiers to act as hired goons to murder the indigenous people and keep them in line. And the executives at these companies never have to worry about their sons and daughters going off to fight and die in some dirty war in the Middle East or Central America or South America. Ironically it is the working class sons and daughters that are going off to die while killing the sons and daughters of other workers in foreign countries. How screwed up is that?

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Was Condoleeza Rice spot on when she said Obama wouldn't change U.S. foreign policy?
Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Jun 29, 2009 10:35 AM   
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One has to wonder. Most U.S. involvement in Latin and South America revolves around IMF/World Bank initiatives. For example, that was behind the recent conflict & killings & disappearances in Peru over opening up tribal lands to oil exploration, an IMF-Hunt Oil deal that also involved Canada.

Obama had said in foreign policy meetings with governmental gray men (gray women as well) that he was going to 'engage South America'. Considering the close ties with Peru and Colombia, one really has to wonder exactly what is going on...

Did you see Obama's recent Bush-style signing statement? If this doesn't open your eyes, nothing will:

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/27/

On Friday, President Obama signed a new war spending bill into law, but "not without taking a page from his predecessor and ignoring a few elements in the legislation," the Hill reports.

Obama included a five-paragraph signing statement with the bill, including a final paragraph that outlined his objections to at least four areas of the bill.

President George W. Bush was heavily criticized for his use of signing statements, declaring he'd ignore some elements of legislation by invoking presidential prerogative.

The Obama administration announced in the statement it would disregard provisions of the legislation that, among other things, would compel the Obama administration to pressure the World Bank to strengthen labor and environmental standards and require the Treasury department to report to Congress on the activities of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF).


So, he doesn't want Congress to know what he's up to with World Bank and IMF deals... Huh? Of course, we all knew this was coming - it is better than the manic Bush-Cheney behavior - instead of violent military aggression, we're back to covert manipulation and the like as the mainstay of U.S. foreign policy.

For example, if Obama had simply told the coup plotters that they'd face economic sanctions and a halt in foreign investment if they overthrew the government, it would never have happened.

Are there any discussions on economic sanctions against the new military junta? Iran has had sanctions placed against it, but they're largely ineffective in altering their despotic behavior because of Iran's vast mineral wealth - but that doesn't apply to Honduras.

Obviously, the State Department and Obama could end this with a snap of their fingers - and the question then becomes, why aren't they?

Regardless, there is no way this is going to fly. Check out what business news site Bloomberg is reporting:

“We can’t accept or recognize any government other than Zelaya’s,” Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said in his weekly radio program today. “If Honduras doesn’t reverse its position, then it’s going to be totally isolated in the middle of an enormous contingent of democracies.”

The military’s overthrow of Zelaya may threaten the country’s economy and put at risk a free trade agreement with the U.S., Honduras’s biggest trade and investment partner, Alfredo Coutino, director for Latin America at Moody’s Economy.com in West Chester, Pennsylvania, said in an interview.


If Brazil is opposed, forget about it. If the Obama Administration had prior knowledge about this, and if it comes out that they gave support, tactic or not, then they've just pulled off the biggest foreign policy blunder of their Administration - so far, at least.

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same cart--different driver
Posted by: raginghormones on Jun 29, 2009 10:56 AM   
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It's beginning to look like the elation over the election of Mr. Obama was premature.

We may have a new prez...but the same career bureaucrats and power players are still firmly in place.

It's beginning to look alot like the Africans say when they have "regime change" and a new leader comes on-board to "change things":

"Same cart---different driver".

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The Fourth Reich
Posted by: arthur_ide on Jun 29, 2009 11:39 AM   
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The USA has lost all credibility in the world. For hundreds of years the USA has been the mobster killing millions of citizens throughout the world and at home: from the American Indians at Little Big Horn, to the wrongful murders to steal the Panama Canal and Hawaii from local control, to the killing fields in Vietnam to the torture in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere. Kissinger sent USA armed thugs (CIA) to kille Aleanda in Chile, while John Yoo and Condi Rice sanctioned Lindy England's holocaust of Iraqis at Abu Gharib prison. Obama is little less than Bush-lite and the corrupt and pathetic US Supreme Court continues to whittle away at American freedoms. Not only should Obama be impeached for saying nothing about Alan Garcia of Peru's war of genocide against the Amazonians, but also Scalia, Alioto, Kennedy, Thomas must go for their odious political hack rulings on the US Supreme Court but then all tried with the entire Bush Cabinet for crimes against humanity.

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Not only will Obama not condemn it ...
Posted by: Gonnuts on Jun 29, 2009 12:08 PM   
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... he'll wholeheartedly support this coup and I have good money to back that statement up.

It's time we faced the fact that Obama is nothing more than bush with a slicker agenda. Owned by the same people and hell bent on bring this country to it's knees.

Enjoy what little there is left of what little you have left, cause it won't be here long.

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note to Obama bashers from left and right on alternet
Posted by: whealeydj on Jun 29, 2009 1:26 PM   
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compare and contrast Obama on Hoduras vs Bush on Venezuela Chavez in 2003 when there was overt and covert support for the attempted coup. This coup is a good reason to contact Obama and Congress to de-fund Whinesec(formerly known as School of Americas) for yet another military usurpation of civilian power by folks trained at the School for Torturers and Coup Leaders. with our financial situation now is the time to demand an end to ALL training of ALL foreign militaries which has nothing to do with real US Defense.

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The first US Govt. statement
Posted by: leighsure on Jun 29, 2009 1:40 PM   
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Very shortly after the coup took place the following occurred:

"Dan Restrepo, Presidential Advisor to President Obama for Latin American Affairs, is currently on CNN en Español. He has just stated that Obama's government is communicating with the coup forces in Honduras, trying to "feel out" the situation. He also responded to the reporter's question regarding whether Washington would recognize a government in Honduras other than President Zelaya's elected government, by saying that the Obama Administration "is waiting to see how things play out" and so long as democratic norms are respected, will work with all sectors. This is a confirmation practically of support for the coup leaders. Restrepo also inferred that other countries are interfering in Honduras' internal affairs, obviously referring to Venezuela and other ALBA nations who have condemned the coup with firm statements earlier this morning."

Subsequent statements by Obama and others in his administration have backed off from the laissez-faire approach that was actually tacit approval for the coup, and presented a more "nuanced" view that still does not really condemn the coup with its kidnappings, murders and beatings.
There are so many parallels here with what happened in Venezuela and our efforts to covertly overthrow Hugo Chavez. As far as foreign policy goes, the more things "change", the more they stay the same. HOPE denied.

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Further Coverage
Posted by: Spot on Jun 29, 2009 1:56 PM   
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Obama is very affirming for me
Posted by: aahpat on Jun 29, 2009 1:56 PM   
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As a social justice, human rights, civil liberties dedicated American I wanted nothing more, throughout my life, than to vote for America's first black president. But I found it impossible to vote for Barack Obama once I actually listened to the content of his heart as expressed in his speeches.

Every week since the inauguration I have had news from president Obama that affirms my decision.

He is nothing more than just another puritanical right-wing pandering authoritarian.

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Well into another DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION
Posted by: aahpat on Jun 29, 2009 1:59 PM   
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and the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation (WHINSEC), formerly known as the infamous "School of the Americas, still exists.

The Democrats are lying right-wing pandering authoritarian ASSHOLES!

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I love the
Posted by: EncinoM on Jun 29, 2009 2:10 PM   
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Knee Jerk responses from the extreme left. Unable to view the world's complexities, that fall back on teh old tired line that some how the US/CIA planned the coup, regardless of the evidence and the US president regardless of what statement he makes is wrong and an imperialist.

First, we didn't elect chomsky for president, and those that expected chomsky, weren't not listening to Obama.

Second, there seems to much more going on then a military coup, the President appeared to be flaunting the constitution and the other branches of Honduras' government.

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» RE: I love the Posted by: sunnywater
Little News Coverage
Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 29, 2009 4:14 PM   
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There seems to be little News Coverage of events in Honduras especially as contrasted with that of events in Iran . Why is that?

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» RE: Little News Coverage Posted by: Zimbly
UNIFORMED POSTER!!!
Posted by: reelman on Jun 30, 2009 10:03 AM   
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The thug wanted to stay in office longer than the Constitution allows...by 100% the lawmakers gave the okay for the Army to get him out...and the Dufus Obama sided with thugs Chavez and Castro?
Tell thinkers all you want to know...

this poster of this article is wrong...and a sorry researcher to boot...common on this silly site.

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Obama is Bush - spread the word!
Posted by: Paul_C on Jul 1, 2009 8:36 PM   
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Again and again and again we see but our eyes do not see and our minds cannot comprehend:

Obama is Bush

Spread the word - the word is based upon an unmistakable pattern of behavior:

Obama is Bush

Let's have transparency and accountability and finally, finally the truth:

Obama is Bush


peace,
Paul

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A clear understanding of the coup in Honduras
Posted by: bobsmith on Jul 6, 2009 6:51 AM   
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A few things should be noted about these events. First of all, it is absolutely right that this coup should be condemned and Zelaya returned to office. However, this was not a military-led coup, though the military certainly took part and is taking part in sustaining those who have usurped power. The training of the military and the source of their weapons is irrelevant - they would have had training and received the weapons from elsewhere, and I daresay would have been more likely to act without civilian leadership and more violently if this had been the case. The tired arguments of the School of the Americas do not apply - the training and assistance given the military today is very different and under very different conditions from that of the 1950s, '60s, and '70s.

Second, if you read the constitution of Honduras, what Zelaya himself did was blatently illegal and unconstitutional. Correctly or no, the Honduran constitution both forbids ammending the provision on non-reelection (Art. 374) and states that anyone who "incites, promotes, or supports" continuismo or reelection may lose their citizenship (Art. 42, Item 5). This, of course, does not justify removing Zelaya in the way that it was done, but it would have justified his impeachment.

So let's be clear: Both sides were wrong, though Micheletti et al. were more in the wrong.

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