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Americans' Unfettered Support for Israel Is Beginning to Erode -- And That May Help the Peace Process

By Ira Chernus, Tomdispatch.com. Posted June 26, 2009.


The old narrative of Israel as the innocent victim is losing its grip on Americans. This is necessary if we are to be even-handed brokers.

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Editor's Note: The following is an introduction by Tom Engelhardt. The American media in its 24/7 half-life tends to turn the surprises of history, large and small, into flood-tide events. They sweep over us, offering a kind of news satiation that leads quickly enough to forgetfulness -- as the media moves on. And then the subjects of the news are left to struggle, once again little attended to, with whatever everyday crisis may be at hand. Right now, Iran, of course, is that flood: both the news of a remarkable outpouring of dissatisfaction and dismay, youthful and otherwise, with the recent fraudulent election -- not the first time, by the way, that there have been fraud charges in an Iranian election, just not on such a grotesque scale -- as well as the bravery and determination of unarmed protestors in the face of angry, armed repression. And then, of course, there are all sorts of American fantasies about what's happening.

It's a wonderful, even a thrilling thing, when we're reminded that history surprises, that we human beings are less than predictable and sometimes act in concert and so much better, so much more movingly, than we have any right to expect. One can only hope for further surprises against the force of a well-armed state. While we're at it, however, we Americans should remind ourselves that we are not the good guys in this story, that it was American meddling that set in motion the whole grim train of events leading to this moment more than half a century ago.

In the meantime, in news terms, the rest of the world is largely obliterated. Israelis, Palestinians? Gone. That was another moment, another flood of news. Been there, done that. You know, Obama's speech in Cairo and all that (on which, by the way, David Bromwich has an interesting and optimistic take over at the New York Review of Books). And yet in that region, the everyday worst of things simply goes on being terrible. Gaza strangles. The West Bank settlements slowly expand. The Israeli government moves further to the right. And Hamas digs in.

On the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, I undoubtedly qualify as a pessimist. I see little in the direction Israel has taken -- and Israel is the strong one in the "peace process," the party with at least the theoretical capacity to give something -- that might lead somewhere close to something resembling peace. Yet, here, too, I'm ready for the surprises of history. I welcome them whether in Iran, Israel, or the Gaza Strip. And I like it when someone like that all-around canny guy and TomDispatch regular Ira Chernus sees glimmers of hope for something new in the otherwise horrific tangle of bitterness, retribution, and hopelessness that the Israelis and Palestinians now represent. -- Tom Engelhardt

The Israel Project hired pollster Stanley Greenberg to test American opinion on the Middle East conflict -- and got a big surprise. In September 2008, 69% of Americans called themselves pro-Israel. Now, it's only 49%. In September, the same 69% wanted the U.S. to side with Israel; now, only 44%.

How to explain this dramatic shift? Greenberg himself suggested the answer years ago when he pointed out that, in politics, "a narrative is the key to everything." Last year the old narrative about the Middle East conflict was still dominant: Israel is an innocent victim, doing only what it must do to defend itself against the Palestinians. Today, that narrative is beginning to lose its grip on Americans.

Well, to be more precise, the first part of the old narrative is eroding. Nearly half the American public seems unsure that Israel is still the good guy in the Middle East showdown. But the popular image of the Palestinians as the violent bad guy is apparently as potent as ever. The number of Americans who say they support Palestine remains unchanged from last September, a mere 7%. And only 5% want the U.S. government to take such a position.

Those numbers reflect the narrative that President Obama recited in Cairo on June 4th. He chided the Israelis for a few things they are doing wrong -- like expanding settlements and blockading Gaza. To the other side, though, his message was far blunter: "Palestinians must abandon violence." Of Israeli violence he said not a word.


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Ira Chernus is Professor of Religious Studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder and author of Monsters To Destroy: The Neoconservative War on Terror and Sin.

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And maybe throwing around charges of "antisemitism" will also wane...good for Arabs and 911 truthers
Posted by: pfgetty on Jun 26, 2009 2:59 AM   
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You can't objectively and rationally discuss Israel today.
If you do, immediately you are charged and convicted of being an antisemite.
And this is horrible, because the Palestinians suffer so much, far more than Iranians, and yet we do not hear about it because any media venue that presents the real story of the abuse of Palestinians is convicted on the spot as racists.

A whole world of truth would open up if the lock on the story of Israel would break down.
And even the real story of 911 could be told.
As it is now, if you just mention the evidence that 911 was an inside job, you are called an antisemite. Can you imagine that? There are real issues about the involvement of the Mossad in the story of 911, and the opening up any investigation of 911 could bring out a real involvement of Israel. Just trying to get to the truth of that day, presenting IN YOUR FACE evidence, brings charges of hatred toward Jews. It is ridiculous, but the fear of it has apparently kept Alternet and other alternative, as well as msm, venues from even attempting to provide a rational and objective look at what actually happened on 911.

The fear of charges of antisemitism has locked up the story of 911, and we are left with a story full of holes and lies and contradictions and impossibilities. To thinking people the world over we look like idiots. We look really stupid. But we aren't stupid and we aren't idiots. We are just uninformed. Uninformed because most Americans don't have easy access to the truth. They get their news and ideas from what they think are reliable sources, like the msm, and if they begin to realize they aren't getting the whole story, they go to the alternative media for another side of things.
But with 911, even the alternative media will not give the real story, so great is the lock on the news about 911.

One day historians will just shake their heads about how such an intelligent, informed public could have allowed censorship of certain issues to be so broad and across the board, even to sites as open minded as Alternet.

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» Very well said... Posted by: zigy
Let's have some really shocking news
Posted by: atheistcable on Jun 26, 2009 5:02 AM   
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"Then the White House will feel safe enough to tell Israel, as well as Palestine, to stop both state and non-state violence."

Yeah, but this is not good for American business. America is Number One in the manufacture and sale of armaments. Sales go to both sides, everybody's money is good. If people weren't murdering one another, then what would arms manufacturers do?

I would like to read about some really shocking news between Jews and Muslims. Such as, "Israelis and Palestinians hold joint high school proms."

"Israeli and Palestinian gays hold big rally in Ashdod."

"Palestinians and Israelis form joint science team dedicated to designing huge solar power modules to be launched above the Earth."

"Jews and Muslims agree to share everything in Jerusalem--after all synagogues, churches and mosques were demolished--or turned into museums showing the pointlessness of religion and violence."

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I'm not convinced yet
Posted by: james108 on Jun 26, 2009 5:25 AM   
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Obama practically bent over for AIPAC during the election and has given many a speech talking about our "unbreakable bond". Then again, he spent 20 years at Trinity with their anti-imperialist rhetoric and assuredly anti-AIPAC stance, so who knows if he was just using one of them or both? I am wondering if his current criticism is a little matrixy though, where we have to pretend to have some disputes so people will buy our fairness.

I do see others mentioning the sure hypocrisy and silliness, that sure they're for a Palestinian state, if it is demilitarized and border controlled by Israel and they're not allowed to make their own treaties with others and Israel gets all of Jerusalem??? It's almost like they thought they could pull an Obama and use empty words and people would gush because he made historic progress by mentioning "Palestinian State", while changing it's meaning.

I do believe that the right-wing hardliners are hardly the majority, much in the same way of our fake democracy here. I still don't know how far our government will go, because I get the sense Israeli intelligence has a lot of dirt on them.

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The reason why support is and should be waning is
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jun 26, 2009 6:52 AM   
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we are fed up with women/baby murderers.
That IS what you are, israeli!!

YES, YOU!!

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There are crooks who are called Nazis or Zionists.
Posted by: archives@uwyo.edu on Jun 26, 2009 7:29 AM   
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Most Germans aren't Nazis. Most Jews aren't Zionists. It is all about the use of force and fraud to control others. Basically Zionists and Nazis are crooks. Fascists tell the lies and Nazis handle the torture.

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The political state of Israel
Posted by: weathered on Jun 26, 2009 7:33 AM   
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is a toxic drum of very selfish and deceitful karma.

Good job Israel and just think, you've no one to thank but yourselves, but keep lying to yourselves and everyone else, it what you do best.

As long as American Jews suddenly stay silent, this will tip.

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TIME TO GROW UP, ISRAEL
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 26, 2009 7:43 AM   
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Be your own country and learn to co-exist with the rest of the world. The most recent go-round with Palestine put everyone over the edge. It was brutal, cruel and unnecessary. Had nothing to do with religion, the holacaust, anti-semitism or anything else. It was unprovoked violence against human life, which you claim to hold dear. Learn to "Love your neighbor", Israel. thanks, ANNA

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» RE: TIME TO GROW UP, ISRAEL Posted by: weathered
Palestinians are prisoners in there own land -----
Posted by: symcokid on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 AM   
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Israel is mistreating/murdering and decimating the Palestinians forcing them into camps and stealing their land and resources in precisely the same manner as the Native Indians in this, their Homeland. The Jewish holocaust pales in comparison to the Indigenous genocide in this USofA.

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The overriding role of the US media
Posted by: hilaryuk on Jun 26, 2009 9:25 AM   
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Perhaps if the American media reported the true state of affairs the American people might develop some empathy for the plight of the Palestinian people. But there is no avoiding the fact that your media has ignored reality when it comes to the Israeli occupation, Israeli illegal settlements, who is the real nuclear Middle East power, and the terrible hardship inflicted on Palestinians by American sanctions. I was appalled by the pathetic and one sided coverage given to the Gaza slaughter - UK media is sometimes lamentable but luckily it didn't reach the depths of US coverage on this occasion. If you omit enough of the truth, you are, in actual fact, lying. May I suggest that the falsehoods are as fundamental and Orwellian as those being currently propagated by the official Iranian media?

It is a miracle American public opinion has shifted at all, but the author is wrong to think it can't move further towards a pro-Palestinian position. All that is necessary is for your mainstream media, particularly the part considered to be less right wing, to start telling the truth.

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GIVE PALESTINE BACK TO THE PALESTINIANS
Posted by: IRIQUOIS227 on Jun 26, 2009 10:02 AM   
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GIVE PALESTINE BACK TO THE PALESTINIANS. JEWS HAVE NO RIGHT TO EXPECT THE WORLD TO FORCE THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS INTO THE WORLD OF REALITY, WELL EXCEPT FOR THE US WHERE THE GOVERNMENT AND WALL STREET HAVE AN UNPLEASANTLY LARGE POPULATIONS OF THESE RODENTS.

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Zionists have been committing genocide against Palestinians ever since Apartheid Israel...
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 26, 2009 10:31 AM   
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was invented in 1948!

Israel is a tool of the Illuminati/NWO/globalists to foment WWIII & a resulting one-world dictatorship!!!

Wake-up already!

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The Problem
Posted by: login@bugmenot.com on Jun 26, 2009 10:40 AM   
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The problem is, when it comes to mainstream media in the United States, there is no right or left concerning the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Across the spectrum, the narrative seems to originate from either the Israeli government or from institutions and organizations acting on its behalf (e.g. AIPAC).

There is no balance, there is no impartiality. And it's not limited to news programs.

A cursory look at the Discovery Channel and its sister channels confirms that.

Often, show after show will focus on the Jewish history of the Holy Land, or the Christian history of it, giving little to no air time to other perspectives. Shows about the Holocaust and the plight of Jews after WWII, make it seem as if the Holocaust were the only tragedy in the 20th century.

The same goes for "Military Channel" and "History Channel" programs that glorify the CIA or the Mossad, shows which in essence, give legitimacy to the illegal and often criminal actions carried out by these organizations.


I recall watching a show once about "Terrorism" on the History Channel. The show started with a semi-balanced view, explaining how terrorism has been used for millennia by all groups. It even mentioned Jewish terrorism in Roman times.

But, somehow, miraculously, all that sensibility goes down the drain, and 13 minutes into the program, the main offenders in the 20th century are....Arabs, namely Palestinians. Events like the Munich Olympics and the like take center stage in shaping the anti-Palestinian narrative while glorifying Israel's Mossad and security apparatus.

That IS propaganda at its finest.

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» RE: The Problem Posted by: jackman
US as friend of Israel must tell Israel to get out of West Bank
Posted by: Garvagh on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 AM   
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Important piece. Israel can have peace and prosperity within its 78% of Palestine, as demarcated June 1, 1967. Palestine can have peace and proserity within its 22% of Palestine (West Bank and Gaza Strip).

Obama needs to tell Israel it must get out of the West Bank or face permanent civil war and war or near-war with its neighbors.

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A comment from FromTheWilderness
Posted by: manderson on Jun 26, 2009 1:43 PM   
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A comment from FromTheWilderness, as best I can remember it:

Israel is a country
Judaism is a religion
Zionism is NOT Judaism
It is possible to be anti-Zionist and NOT be anti-Semitic

Over the years I’ve had very conflicting feelings about Israel and Zionism, which were recently resolved (somewhat) after reading Ed Black’s book “The Transfer Agreement”. I like Ed Black…his investigative reporting is thorough, and the other books by him that I read; IBM and The Holocaust, and Nazi Nexus, are good primers for those who don’t know (or want to know) more about the real, extremist (I use that word on purpose) mindset of hard-core corporatist reptiles. They’re also, by their nature and in lieu of my present views, another indictment of our system.

However, after reading the Transfer Agreement, what I get out of it is that the Zionist movement, who had been colonizing Palestine by degrees since the 19th century, basically let some millions of their (Jewish) brethren, as well as collateral damage in the form of the deaths of some millions of criminals, “insane” people (by Nazi standards), and Gypsies perish at the hands of the Third Reich, in order for Zionism to have a homeland in Palestine, as was consistent with Nazi propaganda stating that the Jews should have a country of their own, and get the hell out of Germany (and Europe). This was in spite of a worldwide boycott of Germany after 1933 that was proving increasingly effective, which they attempted to sabotage in order to effect the material business transactions for the realization of a Homeland for the “core”, the “main stem” of Judaism, i.e. THEM.

Zionism seems to me to be a racist, xenophobic, corporatist creed that, even given its opposite polarity, would’ve made Hitler’s Boyz proud.

We here in the U.S. are part of the Capitalist system, and as has been said, if you’re in the system then you DO (to varying degrees) accept the actions of that system, like exploitative resource wars (of both natural and human resources), so that the metropolitan core can have an easy life and create surplus value for the Capitalist elite. And, the complexity of how Capitalism ans Militarism has permeated our lives here makes it hard to find a way out, other than just getting out. How to turn your inherited position into a point of resistance is part of the solution. Speaking for myself, it is not possible for me to go elsewhere, so this is where I gotta be, and bit by bit am trying to come to a point of resistance. It’s a complicated road, and scholarship and reasoning are as important as precursors to action.

I’m not sure how to phrase this, but:

Given the fact that Israel is a nation of (pretty recent) immigrants, and it seems apparent that whether you espouse Zionism or not, if you immigrate there, you accept the risk of aggressive military action towards the country in general from a number of hostile quarters—are the Israelis who are NOT Zionists as responsible for the behavior of Israel as the hard-core Zionists are? I know there is a large peace faction in the country, which goes pretty much unreported here (who’da thunk THAT, huh?). Are they second generation? Are they taking their “inherited” position and making it into a point of resistance? Is there a degree of collective responsibility here, as would be the case in the U.S. (or anywhere)?

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If Americans Knew
Posted by: Defenestrator on Jun 26, 2009 4:18 PM   
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If Americans Knew

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Holocaust No More!
Posted by: dageofaquarius on Jun 27, 2009 12:51 AM   
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Israel has no other friend in the world but the United States and the forceful historical account to the rest of the world of the Holocaust, to keep them afloat. Once the images begin to fade away in the minds of future generations, there will be no reason for the US and the rest of the world to continue their support to Israel: this is something that scares the hell out of Israel.

Oh! by the way...Israel does have a concentration camp. It's called the Gaza Strip.

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» This link w/Israel, Posted by: weathered
» RE: Holocaust No More! Posted by: donl51
THE TIME IS OVER-RIPE
Posted by: shd1230 on Jun 27, 2009 7:40 AM   
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IT IS WAY PAST TIME THAT THE UNITED STATES STOPS THINKING OF ISRAEL AS ITS RESPONSIBILITY. IF TRE ISRAELIS CANNOT FEND FOR THEMSELVES IN THE WORLD THEY CHOSE, THAT IS THEIR PROBLEM, AND SO FAR THEY SEEM PERFECTLY ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.

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Thankfully I''never'' believed in that old narrative
Posted by: donl51 on Jun 27, 2009 9:38 AM   
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that Israel was ''ever'' the innocent party...I read my history,way too much to be so stupid,..and I don't have any guilt complex either 'bout what the jews went through...lots of others were put to death back in ww2 as well,.now granted I was never crazy 'bout the Palestineans blowing up civilians all the time..blowing up milatary equip't is better,but Then the IRA blew up civilians in GB too....terrorists!!,,,love that term...we were the ''terrorist back in 1700 's when the British came marching in rows and we hid behind trees and walls and such....they called us terrorists...now everybody is a terrorist,rob a bank,...terrorist...smoke a joint..you're supplying terrorists the money to terrorize those poor defencless Israells....give me a break!!

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Israelis are Europeans during what Europeans Do - Steal NonEuropean Lands
Posted by: YANIRA06_66 on Jun 28, 2009 4:07 AM   
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Let's hope President Obama survives the Congressional cowards who are afraid to confront Israel. Out of sight, out of mind. That's what Europeans did to accommodate europe's surviving Jews to takeover Arab land after WWII. Nobody wanted to see what europeans had done to their Jewish brothers and sisters. So European Jews were given the gift of Palestine, land they had coveted for generations. And, more importantly, European Jews used this concession by guilt-plagued Europeans to conqueror the arabs and fulfill their expansionist designs in the Middle East.

For years Israelis have used the Holicaust as their club to beat any thoughtful commentary into dust.

For example, not one political spokesman has remarked on Israel's nuclear capability or dare suggest that Israel should give up their nukes to end the nuclear buildup started by Israel in the M.E. Would other M.E. countries support a nuclear-free M.E.?

So finally Americans are waking up! Israel is the Aggressor and not the victim. It's about time!

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Stop Israel
Posted by: JonA on Jun 28, 2009 5:54 AM   
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Those in Israel have been lead by a very arrogant and (we are the superior conjecturing people)thinking government. In their thought and teaching, the gentile is their servants... in which to be exploited for Jewish benefits.
They have us supporting and financing their aggression in the middle east. And this has been accomplished due to the absolute control of Jewish media here in United States. It must change... We must change. It is unchristian to support a regime as this. Israel has made Gaza into an internment camp...Israel wants more land... and they are taking this from the Palestinians daily. We can only have peace in the world when we en-act peace to others. Stop Israel... the bully of the mid-east.

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article informative and interesting, comments went awry with 1st one
Posted by: whealeydj on Jun 29, 2009 1:40 PM   
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that mentioned 9-11 and truth in the first sentence which turned most of the comments about 9-11-01 rather than 6-26-09. I wish alternet would enforce #4 in their guidelines on 9-11 truth comments as OFF TOPIC AND IRRELEVANT.

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"Semite" defined
Posted by: thornwolf on Jun 30, 2009 5:42 AM   
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From Merrian-Webster:

Main Entry:
Sem·ite
Pronunciation:
ˈse-ˌmīt, especially British ˈsē-ˌmīt
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French sémite, from Sem Shem, from Late Latin, from Greek Sēm, from Hebrew Shēm
Date: 1848
1 a: a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs b: a descendant of these peoples
2: a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

Semitic Sem*it"ic, a.
Of or pertaining to Shem or his descendants; belonging to
that division of the Caucasian race which includes the Arabs,
Jews, and related races. [Written also Shemitic.]
[1913 Webster]

Semitic language, a name used to designate a group of
Asiatic and African languages, some living and some dead,
namely: Hebrew and Ph[oe]nician, Aramaic, Assyrian,
Arabic, Ethiopic (Geez and Ampharic). --Encyc. Brit.
[1913 Webster]

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Zionists are not Semites
Posted by: thornwolf on Jun 30, 2009 5:57 AM   
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Semitic Jews come from the Middle-East. Zionist Jews, aka Ashkenzi Jews, are converted Jews who come from Eastern Europe. The word "Askenazi" is from the medieval rabbinical name for Germany. Thus Zionist Jews are not Semitic.

Zionists forcefully took Palestine from the Palestinian people who had been living there peacfully side-by-side as Muslims and Jews and Christians for almost two thousand years. Zionists did not start out as Jewish. They were Kazars who converted to Judiasm as a political move and migrated west into Europe, especially Germany.

Look it up, Folks. In five minutes on the net you can learn the actual history. It's all there. You can't believe the MSM, however. They are controlled by Zionists, as are all Western media conglomerates. You have to seek out independent sources to find the truth.

(Full disclosure: My dad was Jewish, my mom Christian. I have no religious affiliation.)

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