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Spies In the Classroom: The Government Is Running a Secretive Intelligence Recruitment Program in Schools
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As the continuities and disjunctures between the Bush and Obama administrations come into focus it becomes increasingly clear that while Obama’s domestic agenda has some identifiable breaks with Bush’s, at its core, the new administration remains committed to staying the course of American militarization. Now we have an articulate, nuanced president who supports elements of progressive domestic policies, can even comfortably say the phrase LGBT in public speeches, while funding military programs at alarming levels and continuing the Bush administration’s military and intelligence invasion of what used to be civilian life.
The latest manifestation of this continuity came last week when Dennis C. Blair, Director of National Intelligence, announced plans to transform the Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program (PRISP) from a pilot project into a permanent budget item. Blair also announced plans to establish a “Reserve Officers' Training Corps” to train unidentified future intelligence officers in US college classrooms. Like students receiving PRISP funds, the identities of students participating in these programs would not be known to professors, university administrators or fellow students -- in effect, these future intelligence analysts and agents would conduct their first covert missions in our university classrooms.
Four years ago I wrote a series of CounterPunch exposés on the Pat Roberts Intelligence Scholars Program (PRISP), then a pilot project funded under section 318 of the 2004 Intelligence Authorization Act. PRISP links undergraduate and graduate students with US security and intelligence agencies like the NSA or CIA, and unannounced to universities, professors or fellow-students, PRISP-students enter American university campuses, classrooms, laboratories and professor’s offices without disclosing links to these agencies. PRISP was originally conceived by anthropologist Felix Moos, long a proponent of using anthropological knowledge in waging of counterinsurgency campaigns -- an area of growing interest to the Obama administration as it prepares for prolonged soft power counterinsurgency campaigns in Afghanistan.
It seems likely that many of the affected disciplines will offer little resistance and some may quickly warm to announcements of any new funding stream. Traditionally, the disciplines of political science, history or area specialists coming from the humanities have seldom resisted such developments; but for disciplines like anthropology, these undisclosed intelligence-linked programs present devastating ethical and practical problems, as the non-discloser of funding and links to intelligence agencies flies in the face of the basic ethical principles of the discipline. But even without the problems for individual disciplinary ethics codes, the presence of these undisclosed secret sharers in our classrooms betrays fundamental trusts that lie at the core of honest academic endeavors.
While the National Intelligence Director’s move to make PRISP a permanent budget item will damage the academic freedom and integrity of American universities, it will likely be met by the open arms of university administrators facing crashed university endowments and dwindling budgets. That some administrators would so easily accommodate themselves and their institutional integrity for the promise of funds should be of little surprise, but I fear that the combined forces of the current economic collapse conjoined with President Obama’s ability to bring a new liberal credibility to the this warmed-over Bush era project will induce many faculty and students to seriously consider participating in these programs. Times are hard and as funds get scarce it will be increasingly difficult for many to say no.
This development is just the latest installment in on ongoing efforts to increase the militarization of American higher education. None of this should be surprising in a nation that alone spends about 48% of the planet’s military budget. In the social sciences, these shifts away from broad funding sources designed to create independent knowledgeable scholars, to those now requiring indentured servitude has been a long time coming.
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Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jun 24, 2009 1:55 AM
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The Supreme Court apparently has been paid off by whoever is behind Cheney, because no one could like Dick Cheney that much.
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I hope that most of us can agree that our government needs an intelligence community. I see this as a way to develop a higher quality analyst and intelligence officer. How can this be bad?
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Posted by: ChrisBrown on Jun 24, 2009 5:57 AM
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There really isn't much room for discussion here. If someone thinks the US intelligence community is inherently evil, anything they do will be seen through that lens. It's easy to list the horrible things they have done in the past to support those feelings.
Often, though, progressives have their head in the sand when dealing with these issues. We can't magically make the military and intel community go away. You might hate both of them but wouldn't you want them to become wiser, better, more ethical? This program is giving future analysts and officers access to a university education that will potentially help them see the complexity of our foreign policy challenges. I am still not seeing how this is so nefarious.
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Am I missing something? As I understand it, this is like a ROTC program for future intelligence professionals. The government would pay for school in exchange for future service to one of the agencies. I didn't see any evidence that CIA or NSA would conduct any covert operations or doing anything that would compromise the student's or school's research.
I hope that most of us can agree that our government needs an intelligence community. I see this as a way to develop a higher quality analyst and intelligence officer. How can this be bad?"
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Posted by: james108 on Jun 24, 2009 6:49 AM
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They've mastered the art of smiling, warm fascism. There are many likeminded people in this country who are against this. They just don't get much even coverage on the large corporate owned media, or they're demonize and pitted against each other. There's a big push right now from http://www.freeandequal.org to get regular people to run for Congress and understand their local issues. Of course, that could be just the tip of what we can do to get a representative government. I personally make it a rule not to vote for anybody who keeps the fake charade that we've never invaded to secure resources for the uber rich to control, or that we've never knowingly put terrorist in place for some secrete national security purpose. We're not supposed to have a covert, elite government that does whatever it wants anyway, so if our actions have to be hidden under national security, maybe they're not right.
Now the Obama admin wants to go after bloggers to "make sure they are not making statements with conflicts of interest".
That's going to cost money and I can see that although progressives and conservatives are both in the fight for their life, Obama is really the last remnants of a criminal empire, throwing every trick they have down in a desperate attempt to keep undemocratic control of American political discourse and power. Let's put a black man against a woman, that'll really trick them!
So BO's team have mastered the rhetoric of the GLBT and environmental movements. Now we have "progressive" parents that feel maybe its not so bad to get their kids started early with community service. That's fine, it's called parenting and personal choice. Nothing's stopping these people from donating their time to what they feel is worthy right now. If you need the government to raise your kids for you, then maybe you look at yourself, because other people have a right not to have propaganda shoved down their kids throats or spies in the classroom.
They especially have a right not to pay for their own unconstitutional invasion of privacy with their hard earned tax dollars.
Sometimes I'm critical of Alternet's sometimes anti-right spin, but I am thankful it's here and they can say what they want and we can give the feedback we want. Thank you for this article Alternet, and keep up the good investigative research, that we can take and research with our own god-given intelligence.
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Posted by: ellie on Jun 24, 2009 6:53 AM
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my ROTC students seem to be the most open minded and 'another department majors' are the ones who have problems in my classes... always tell each class that if I haven't aggravated someone in each class meeting, I haven't done my job...
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Posted by: markw4786 on Jun 24, 2009 8:24 AM
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True, O and the Dems throw us a weak, flaccid environmental bill here and there (Waxman/Markey) and we're supposed to be thrilled. Under O, torture by the CIA is still on the books; Irag and Afganistan go on; the Bush /Cheney crimes will be swept under the rug (the great Amerikan two tiered justice system) Wall Street gets trillions and we get a few more weeks of unemployment checks (GEE, THANKS); Big Brother is still listening to our phones conversations.........
This program is named after the guy who lied and hid the true cost and malfeasance of the Irag tragedy. My, how Obama failed to mention his rightist, fascist beliefs and DANMIT, HOW WE WERE MISLEAD. WELCOME TO OBAMA'S AMERIKA. NOW SHUT UP AND CONFORM...THEY ARE WATCHING!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 24, 2009 8:38 AM
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...maybe the Burger King drive-through?
...maybe the maternity ward? ...a retirement home?
hiring spies from educational facilities is a time-honoured tradition.
I'm not saying its a *good* tradition to have the freaky ReichWingers doing recruiting... I'm saying... it's a tradition that stretches faaaar faaaar into the mists of fucking time.
Puhleese: do you think *every* priest is *just* a priest?
how about *every* fireman? I mean, they've admitted that they're recruiting firemen in training...
WHEN YOU'RE IN TRAINING, you're the most insecure, feeling the limitlessness of your Future & most dependent upon praise & a desire to feel fucking useful.
of COURSE educational facilities are where they recruit!
its a shame that so many Americans are so willing to be fascist fuckers, isn't it?
I guess a lifetime of watching American 'profit is everything! might makes right the AMERICAN WAY IS THE ONLY WAY!!' media combined with a limitless violence quotient in entertainment finally reaps its rewards when you can harvest those shining, chanting, "We're NUMBER ONE!' happy faces...
Hitler would be soooo proud of you!!
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Posted by: pfm on Jun 24, 2009 8:42 AM
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I am hard pressed to refute the author of this article when he notes Obama appears to be walking the same militaristic path as his predecessor. I must confess at first, and still at times, this concerns me. There is a part of me, however, which reflects upon discussions about – change – during my college days now more than 40 years ago. I recall a study or evaluation was conducted attempting to ascertain how much – change – do we find tolerable…? I remember well this report noted we are comfortable when change does not exceed 10% …whether ten percent is the precise number, I do not believe is relevant. What, I believe, is worthy of our consideration is how small an amount of change we willing accept before our world is turned upside down.
Might it be, for those who possess attributes enabling us to be in flow with greater amounts of change, the path Obama is walking appears as a snail’s pace and therefore reflective of no change or less change than we envisioned he promised to deliver…?
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Posted by: biff777 on Jun 24, 2009 9:16 AM
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Then TV programming. I'm seeing more out of the middle east now with the Iran elections than the invasion of Iraq and all it's death. They never show there are more subcontractors(mercs).
The best program is: We are torturing in your island and we will bring democracy here too.
No torturing the Oklahoma Bombers. That would destablize the authorities of the northwest United States alone.
As for the Pat Robinson's program I was raised mostly abroad. My mother is native, my father from St. Thomas V.I. The U.S. tried their "Stockholm Syndrome" on me.
joy & rapture,
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Posted by: ChrisBrown on Jun 24, 2009 9:17 AM
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I subscribe to the alternet newsletter because it is always an interesting collection of articles. I don't usually comment but this ROTC program one drew a conclusion that I didn't see backed up well.
So I made a couple of comments trying to make the point that I don't see how this ROTC-type program is a bad thing. I full expected people to disagree but I'm surprised by the anger and lunacy.
It's as though I walked into a church service and said Hail Satan. Blackberry picker, I sicken you? Seriously?
The vast majority of posts here are far too angry, paranoid, and delusional for my taste. I am assuming that the sister someone who thinks the CIA is watching her and her husband have sex was joking or playing a character.
The all-caps online screaming is just as annoying coming from progressives as it is coming from Sean Hannity.
Commenting here has been annoying and a waste of time. Good luck to you all and keep that tinfoil firmly planted on your heads.
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Posted by: ATH on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 AM
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This country isn't even really controlled by the government so much as the Federal Reserve and International and Wall-Street bankers, in collusion with the Military and Medical Industrial Complexes. The MICs control the government, and the bankers control the MICs. We no longer live in a democratic, constitutional Republic, but a government in the form of a corporate Oligarchy..a type of corporatism. Mussolini once said: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, for it is the perfect merger of corporate and State power.
In the end, these powers will lose, and take the rest of us down with them. The end of the age of oil is fast approaching. There is not 500 years of coal, either--you can decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. It's both. We actually only have, at the very most, about 46 to 75 yrs of coal left. When looked at from a distance, in a larger frame of time--even a millenium--the entire age of oil is but a brief spike in history.
Yet, it is oil that has allowed the human species to so over-populate this planet; and when oil ends, unless a major breakthrough is made--equal to the discovery of oil--billions will die from starvation and exposure, which will be intensified even more by global climate disruption as we continue to burn dirtier and dirtier forms of coal and oil.
Also, the dollar may collapse, or will be severely devalued; the U.S. is walking the same path of destruction that Rome walked: over-extending our military, and devaluing our currency--or letting it be devalued by the corrupt practices of the FED and other world bankers. The bankers drive the MIC because that's how they make their real money: the central banks like the FED always finance, at considerable interest, both sides of all wars. And they make the winner pay the debts of the loser.
We need to abolish the FED, and restructure our monetary system; we need to end corporate "personhood" by stripping them of 14th amendment rights; and we must reform campaign finance and the media. These things will save our Republic (which is what our Founders created, NOT a Democracy; it is a democratic, constituional Republic. In the old and true meaning of a Democracy, 51% of the people control the other 49%. In a constitutional Republic like ours, we are guaranteed certain inalienable rights at birth by our Constitution. It's an important difference to understand. It doesn't matter how many people "agree" with torture, it's against the law, and the people who planned it, tried to make it legal with those OLC memos, the high officials that ordered it, and the people who carried it out should all be tried and punished for breaking the Law. But despite Obama's words about no one being above the law, it's obvious that these people are completely above the law, just as the poor are crushed beneath the "law."
But even if we fixed our Republic, we would still be facing these other massive issues of global climate disruption and the end of the age of oil. It is because of greed that billions will die; because of greed, we didn't do what we should have almost 40 years ago- when American oil production peaked- began a Manhattan-Project scale program to develope and perfect alternative, 'green' energy, and began to slowly alter our infrastructure--especially agribusiness--to prepare for what we now face. That's about how long it would have taken, 30 to 40 years, and we could have done it comfortably. Now, even if we had the political willpower to try to change, it's too late. Now, we no longer have the resources or time or the technology required to turn things around.
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 24, 2009 10:38 AM
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It will be a fruitless exercise for the CIA wannabes; this is not '68. Faculty have their tails between their legs.
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Posted by: ssnowd on Jun 24, 2009 11:49 AM
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It's a nice little carrot to dangle in front of naive innocent minds wanting to have someone pay for "education".
What do you know with "evidence" of what kind of education the naive would be given? What kind of brainwashing training do you suppose would be programmed into their minds?
What kind of guarantees would their be that propaganda wasn't their aim in filtering the education from schools? Then you would see many educators stop teaching or be fired for opposing views.
Cointelpro was a real program, if you did any research. It was to suppress opposing views.
An interesting book to read would be "Monarch: The New Phoenix Program" by Marshall G. Thomas. There are other books you could research as well.
After you do some research, then think about how "O.K." or not "O.K." this is.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 24, 2009 12:57 PM
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All the Parents - and The Scouts did fund raising for 2 years to pay the Cost.
English Scouts - play silly games, sit round camp fires and fart a lot.
American Scouts are like the Hitler Youth of Nazi Germany.
My 12 Year Old Son came home after 2 weeks at an Americam Scout Camp - and at a Rich Politician's Enormous Ranch..Where he was taught to shoot everything from a bow and arrow to a machine gun
And said
"Americans are completely insane."
It was the Year 2000 - The Start of a New Millennium when the entire World was full of hope for the Future
And The Americans were Preparing For War just Like Hitler in 1936
My Son said at the age of 12, that he never wanted to visit America again in his Life
You Fuckers Are Going DOWN
Tony
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All Your Best Bands Are Over Here Playing Festivals
Hyde Park Calling
STAGE TIMES
FRIDAY 26th JUNE
MAIN STAGE
20.45 - 22.15 THE KILLERS
19.05 - 20.05 THE KOOKS
17.55 - 18.40 HOWLING BELLS
16.55 - 17.35 PASSION PIT
PEPSI MAX STAGE
19.15 - 20.00 ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN
18.20 - 18.55 METRIC
17.30 - 18.00 SILVERSUN PICKUPS
16.40 - 17.10 AIR TRAFFIC
SATURDAY 27th JUNE
MAIN STAGE
20.15 - 22.15 NEIL YOUNG
18.30 - 19.30 FLEET FOXES
17.05 - 18.05 BEN HARPER AND THE RELENTLESS
15.55 - 16.40 SEASICK STEVE
14.50 - 15.35 THE PRETENDERS
14.15 - 14.30 RUDY VAUGHN
13.45 - 14.00 THE ORIGINAL SINNERS
PEPSI MAX STAGE
19.10 - 20.00 MAGIC NUMBERS
18.00 - 18.45 JOHNNY FLYNN
17.00 - 17.40 MUMFORD AND SONS
16.15 - 16.45 ALBERTA CROSS
15.30 - 16.00 PRISCILLA AHN
14.45 - 15.15 WALLIS BIRD
14.00 - 14.30 LYREBIRDS
BANDSTAND
19.00 FOUR DEAD IN OHIO
18.00 ALAN POWNALL
17.00 ALESSI ARK
16.00 STEVE APPLETON
15.00 SCOTT McFARNON
SUNDAY 28th JUNE
MAIN STAGE
19.00 - 22.15 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN AND THE E STREET BAND
17.10 - 18.25 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND
15.50 - 16.40 JAMES MORRISON
14.50 - 15.30 THE GASLIGHT ANTHEM
14.00 - 14.30 BEAUVOIR~FREE
PEPSI MAX STAGE
18.00 - 19.00 STARSAILOR
17.00 - 17.40 JOSHUA RADIN
16.15 - 16.45 THE LOW ANTHEM
15.25 - 16.00 THE PRETTY THINGS
14.40 - 15.10 THE BOY WHO TRAPPED THE SUN
14.00 - 14.25 RUDY VAUGHN
BANDSTAND
18.00 ARNO CARSTENS
17.00 DAVID GIBSON
16.00 LISA MITCHELL
15.00 GOLDHEART ASSEMBLY
The Rest are at Glastonbury - The Biggest Festival in The World
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It was Quite an Education
Whilst I always knew it was a British Job which The CIA were eventually convinced to take part in - it was good to read the real inside story - and how so few People can Change Governments by Infiltrating People.
Sure I've Read about Cuba
But FFS
You can pull off a Revolution with less than 50 People - if you plan it Right
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Posted by: kogwonton on Jun 24, 2009 4:06 PM
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The 'Enterprise' is something that should be taught in U.S. history courses, but is not. Considering the 'fallout' from that, you would think that more people would know about it, especially since those hearings were (mostly) public, aired on CSPAN.
I can show a single example which is more than enough to justify the utter house-cleaning which is needed in this country.
Iran-Contra.
Carter won his election in the aftermath of Nixon and his Cointelpro, Watergate, Chilean coup, etc. The CIA and FBI had been shown to have been used politically (fascism), against so-called 'communist' influences, and to have waged a war against civil rights and peace leaders all across this country. The decapitation of the civil rights leadership left only cynicism and street gangs in their wake.
Carter appointed a trusted navy buddy to head up the CIA, hoping to clean it up. Unfortunately replacing the Chief of LAPD didn't help clean up that outfit either.
The hard-core 'cold warriors' (Team-B) went underground and sold drugs on U.S. streets to finance fascist dictators in Nicaragua, empowering those same left-over street gangs, and financing their rise to national levels. The cold warriors sold weapons to terrorists in a covert action designed to sabotage Carter's presidency, and bring in Reagan.
Reagan approved of the actions of those 'cold warriors', and even smiled at them making a little profit along the way. He allowed the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (designed by the CIA and the ISI to finance the Mujihadin through laundering Afghani opium profits) to be brought to U.S. soil. This bank was (finally) brought down by a N.Y. prosecutor after ten years of failure to do so by Senate inquiries.
BCCI is, to this day, used as the largest historical example of criminal money laundering and terrorist financing in training for the FBI. The U.S. branch of that bank was run by a man named Clark Clifford.
Clark Clifford was the author of the National Security Act which created the NSA and the CIA. They are both rogue organizations with stronger ties to international organized crime and intel agencies, such as the ISI, Mossad, MI6, GID, than to any oaths taken to defend our Constitution.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 24, 2009 4:55 PM
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1) Just like the military, do kids that age really know what they are in for when they join the CIA? Student loans are horrendous and it would be mighty tempting to have school paid for. But at what ultimate price??? Does this program have some kind of opt out clause if they find all the things they are asked to do in the CIA might not be for them?
2) As a college instructor, I don't want some neophyte spy branding me a commie just because we discuss provocative and radical ideas in class. No one has to agree with me to get a decent grade. But if certain ideas are so threatening to the powers that be we can't even discuss them, that does jeopardize academic freedom.
3) Even if that is not the case, this program could create an atmosphere of fear in the classroom. Last year I dated an architect who was originally from Israel. He kept telling me not to get too political in the classroom because I need my job. Then he abruptly cut off all communications with me and disappeared. Hmmmmmm
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This is not healthy for any society that asserts individual freedom to the extent of fundamental disagreement with the current governing process. This is contrary to the aim of the U.S. constitution which was born in the minds of men who did not like their will meddled with.
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2006 film that addresses the complex issue very clearly.
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Brilliant
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The Supreme Court apparently has been paid off by whoever is behind Cheney, because no one could like Dick Cheney that much.
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I hope that most of us can agree that our government needs an intelligence community. I see this as a way to develop a higher quality analyst and intelligence officer. How can this be bad?
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There really isn't much room for discussion here. If someone thinks the US intelligence community is inherently evil, anything they do will be seen through that lens. It's easy to list the horrible things they have done in the past to support those feelings.
Often, though, progressives have their head in the sand when dealing with these issues. We can't magically make the military and intel community go away. You might hate both of them but wouldn't you want them to become wiser, better, more ethical? This program is giving future analysts and officers access to a university education that will potentially help them see the complexity of our foreign policy challenges. I am still not seeing how this is so nefarious.
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Am I missing something? As I understand it, this is like a ROTC program for future intelligence professionals. The government would pay for school in exchange for future service to one of the agencies. I didn't see any evidence that CIA or NSA would conduct any covert operations or doing anything that would compromise the student's or school's research.
I hope that most of us can agree that our government needs an intelligence community. I see this as a way to develop a higher quality analyst and intelligence officer. How can this be bad?"
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Posted by: james108 on Jun 24, 2009 6:49 AM
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They've mastered the art of smiling, warm fascism. There are many likeminded people in this country who are against this. They just don't get much even coverage on the large corporate owned media, or they're demonize and pitted against each other. There's a big push right now from http://www.freeandequal.org to get regular people to run for Congress and understand their local issues. Of course, that could be just the tip of what we can do to get a representative government. I personally make it a rule not to vote for anybody who keeps the fake charade that we've never invaded to secure resources for the uber rich to control, or that we've never knowingly put terrorist in place for some secrete national security purpose. We're not supposed to have a covert, elite government that does whatever it wants anyway, so if our actions have to be hidden under national security, maybe they're not right.
Now the Obama admin wants to go after bloggers to "make sure they are not making statements with conflicts of interest".
That's going to cost money and I can see that although progressives and conservatives are both in the fight for their life, Obama is really the last remnants of a criminal empire, throwing every trick they have down in a desperate attempt to keep undemocratic control of American political discourse and power. Let's put a black man against a woman, that'll really trick them!
So BO's team have mastered the rhetoric of the GLBT and environmental movements. Now we have "progressive" parents that feel maybe its not so bad to get their kids started early with community service. That's fine, it's called parenting and personal choice. Nothing's stopping these people from donating their time to what they feel is worthy right now. If you need the government to raise your kids for you, then maybe you look at yourself, because other people have a right not to have propaganda shoved down their kids throats or spies in the classroom.
They especially have a right not to pay for their own unconstitutional invasion of privacy with their hard earned tax dollars.
Sometimes I'm critical of Alternet's sometimes anti-right spin, but I am thankful it's here and they can say what they want and we can give the feedback we want. Thank you for this article Alternet, and keep up the good investigative research, that we can take and research with our own god-given intelligence.
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my ROTC students seem to be the most open minded and 'another department majors' are the ones who have problems in my classes... always tell each class that if I haven't aggravated someone in each class meeting, I haven't done my job...
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True, O and the Dems throw us a weak, flaccid environmental bill here and there (Waxman/Markey) and we're supposed to be thrilled. Under O, torture by the CIA is still on the books; Irag and Afganistan go on; the Bush /Cheney crimes will be swept under the rug (the great Amerikan two tiered justice system) Wall Street gets trillions and we get a few more weeks of unemployment checks (GEE, THANKS); Big Brother is still listening to our phones conversations.........
This program is named after the guy who lied and hid the true cost and malfeasance of the Irag tragedy. My, how Obama failed to mention his rightist, fascist beliefs and DANMIT, HOW WE WERE MISLEAD. WELCOME TO OBAMA'S AMERIKA. NOW SHUT UP AND CONFORM...THEY ARE WATCHING!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 24, 2009 8:38 AM
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...maybe the Burger King drive-through?
...maybe the maternity ward? ...a retirement home?
hiring spies from educational facilities is a time-honoured tradition.
I'm not saying its a *good* tradition to have the freaky ReichWingers doing recruiting... I'm saying... it's a tradition that stretches faaaar faaaar into the mists of fucking time.
Puhleese: do you think *every* priest is *just* a priest?
how about *every* fireman? I mean, they've admitted that they're recruiting firemen in training...
WHEN YOU'RE IN TRAINING, you're the most insecure, feeling the limitlessness of your Future & most dependent upon praise & a desire to feel fucking useful.
of COURSE educational facilities are where they recruit!
its a shame that so many Americans are so willing to be fascist fuckers, isn't it?
I guess a lifetime of watching American 'profit is everything! might makes right the AMERICAN WAY IS THE ONLY WAY!!' media combined with a limitless violence quotient in entertainment finally reaps its rewards when you can harvest those shining, chanting, "We're NUMBER ONE!' happy faces...
Hitler would be soooo proud of you!!
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I am hard pressed to refute the author of this article when he notes Obama appears to be walking the same militaristic path as his predecessor. I must confess at first, and still at times, this concerns me. There is a part of me, however, which reflects upon discussions about – change – during my college days now more than 40 years ago. I recall a study or evaluation was conducted attempting to ascertain how much – change – do we find tolerable…? I remember well this report noted we are comfortable when change does not exceed 10% …whether ten percent is the precise number, I do not believe is relevant. What, I believe, is worthy of our consideration is how small an amount of change we willing accept before our world is turned upside down.
Might it be, for those who possess attributes enabling us to be in flow with greater amounts of change, the path Obama is walking appears as a snail’s pace and therefore reflective of no change or less change than we envisioned he promised to deliver…?
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Then TV programming. I'm seeing more out of the middle east now with the Iran elections than the invasion of Iraq and all it's death. They never show there are more subcontractors(mercs).
The best program is: We are torturing in your island and we will bring democracy here too.
No torturing the Oklahoma Bombers. That would destablize the authorities of the northwest United States alone.
As for the Pat Robinson's program I was raised mostly abroad. My mother is native, my father from St. Thomas V.I. The U.S. tried their "Stockholm Syndrome" on me.
joy & rapture,
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I subscribe to the alternet newsletter because it is always an interesting collection of articles. I don't usually comment but this ROTC program one drew a conclusion that I didn't see backed up well.
So I made a couple of comments trying to make the point that I don't see how this ROTC-type program is a bad thing. I full expected people to disagree but I'm surprised by the anger and lunacy.
It's as though I walked into a church service and said Hail Satan. Blackberry picker, I sicken you? Seriously?
The vast majority of posts here are far too angry, paranoid, and delusional for my taste. I am assuming that the sister someone who thinks the CIA is watching her and her husband have sex was joking or playing a character.
The all-caps online screaming is just as annoying coming from progressives as it is coming from Sean Hannity.
Commenting here has been annoying and a waste of time. Good luck to you all and keep that tinfoil firmly planted on your heads.
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Posted by: ATH on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 AM
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This country isn't even really controlled by the government so much as the Federal Reserve and International and Wall-Street bankers, in collusion with the Military and Medical Industrial Complexes. The MICs control the government, and the bankers control the MICs. We no longer live in a democratic, constitutional Republic, but a government in the form of a corporate Oligarchy..a type of corporatism. Mussolini once said: "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, for it is the perfect merger of corporate and State power.
In the end, these powers will lose, and take the rest of us down with them. The end of the age of oil is fast approaching. There is not 500 years of coal, either--you can decide whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. It's both. We actually only have, at the very most, about 46 to 75 yrs of coal left. When looked at from a distance, in a larger frame of time--even a millenium--the entire age of oil is but a brief spike in history.
Yet, it is oil that has allowed the human species to so over-populate this planet; and when oil ends, unless a major breakthrough is made--equal to the discovery of oil--billions will die from starvation and exposure, which will be intensified even more by global climate disruption as we continue to burn dirtier and dirtier forms of coal and oil.
Also, the dollar may collapse, or will be severely devalued; the U.S. is walking the same path of destruction that Rome walked: over-extending our military, and devaluing our currency--or letting it be devalued by the corrupt practices of the FED and other world bankers. The bankers drive the MIC because that's how they make their real money: the central banks like the FED always finance, at considerable interest, both sides of all wars. And they make the winner pay the debts of the loser.
We need to abolish the FED, and restructure our monetary system; we need to end corporate "personhood" by stripping them of 14th amendment rights; and we must reform campaign finance and the media. These things will save our Republic (which is what our Founders created, NOT a Democracy; it is a democratic, constituional Republic. In the old and true meaning of a Democracy, 51% of the people control the other 49%. In a constitutional Republic like ours, we are guaranteed certain inalienable rights at birth by our Constitution. It's an important difference to understand. It doesn't matter how many people "agree" with torture, it's against the law, and the people who planned it, tried to make it legal with those OLC memos, the high officials that ordered it, and the people who carried it out should all be tried and punished for breaking the Law. But despite Obama's words about no one being above the law, it's obvious that these people are completely above the law, just as the poor are crushed beneath the "law."
But even if we fixed our Republic, we would still be facing these other massive issues of global climate disruption and the end of the age of oil. It is because of greed that billions will die; because of greed, we didn't do what we should have almost 40 years ago- when American oil production peaked- began a Manhattan-Project scale program to develope and perfect alternative, 'green' energy, and began to slowly alter our infrastructure--especially agribusiness--to prepare for what we now face. That's about how long it would have taken, 30 to 40 years, and we could have done it comfortably. Now, even if we had the political willpower to try to change, it's too late. Now, we no longer have the resources or time or the technology required to turn things around.
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 24, 2009 10:38 AM
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It will be a fruitless exercise for the CIA wannabes; this is not '68. Faculty have their tails between their legs.
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Posted by: ssnowd on Jun 24, 2009 11:49 AM
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It's a nice little carrot to dangle in front of naive innocent minds wanting to have someone pay for "education".
What do you know with "evidence" of what kind of education the naive would be given? What kind of brainwashing training do you suppose would be programmed into their minds?
What kind of guarantees would their be that propaganda wasn't their aim in filtering the education from schools? Then you would see many educators stop teaching or be fired for opposing views.
Cointelpro was a real program, if you did any research. It was to suppress opposing views.
An interesting book to read would be "Monarch: The New Phoenix Program" by Marshall G. Thomas. There are other books you could research as well.
After you do some research, then think about how "O.K." or not "O.K." this is.
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 24, 2009 12:57 PM
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All the Parents - and The Scouts did fund raising for 2 years to pay the Cost.
English Scouts - play silly games, sit round camp fires and fart a lot.
American Scouts are like the Hitler Youth of Nazi Germany.
My 12 Year Old Son came home after 2 weeks at an Americam Scout Camp - and at a Rich Politician's Enormous Ranch..Where he was taught to shoot everything from a bow and arrow to a machine gun
And said
"Americans are completely insane."
It was the Year 2000 - The Start of a New Millennium when the entire World was full of hope for the Future
And The Americans were Preparing For War just Like Hitler in 1936
My Son said at the age of 12, that he never wanted to visit America again in his Life
You Fuckers Are Going DOWN
Tony
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Hyde Park Calling
STAGE TIMES
FRIDAY 26th JUNE
MAIN STAGE
20.45 - 22.15 THE KILLERS
19.05 - 20.05 THE KOOKS
17.55 - 18.40 HOWLING BELLS
16.55 - 17.35 PASSION PIT
PEPSI MAX STAGE
19.15 - 20.00 ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN
18.20 - 18.55 METRIC
17.30 - 18.00 SILVERSUN PICKUPS
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SATURDAY 27th JUNE
MAIN STAGE
20.15 - 22.15 NEIL YOUNG
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17.05 - 18.05 BEN HARPER AND THE RELENTLESS
15.55 - 16.40 SEASICK STEVE
14.50 - 15.35 THE PRETENDERS
14.15 - 14.30 RUDY VAUGHN
13.45 - 14.00 THE ORIGINAL SINNERS
PEPSI MAX STAGE
19.10 - 20.00 MAGIC NUMBERS
18.00 - 18.45 JOHNNY FLYNN
17.00 - 17.40 MUMFORD AND SONS
16.15 - 16.45 ALBERTA CROSS
15.30 - 16.00 PRISCILLA AHN
14.45 - 15.15 WALLIS BIRD
14.00 - 14.30 LYREBIRDS
BANDSTAND
19.00 FOUR DEAD IN OHIO
18.00 ALAN POWNALL
17.00 ALESSI ARK
16.00 STEVE APPLETON
15.00 SCOTT McFARNON
SUNDAY 28th JUNE
MAIN STAGE
19.00 - 22.15 BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN AND THE E STREET BAND
17.10 - 18.25 DAVE MATTHEWS BAND
15.50 - 16.40 JAMES MORRISON
14.50 - 15.30 THE GASLIGHT ANTHEM
14.00 - 14.30 BEAUVOIR~FREE
PEPSI MAX STAGE
18.00 - 19.00 STARSAILOR
17.00 - 17.40 JOSHUA RADIN
16.15 - 16.45 THE LOW ANTHEM
15.25 - 16.00 THE PRETTY THINGS
14.40 - 15.10 THE BOY WHO TRAPPED THE SUN
14.00 - 14.25 RUDY VAUGHN
BANDSTAND
18.00 ARNO CARSTENS
17.00 DAVID GIBSON
16.00 LISA MITCHELL
15.00 GOLDHEART ASSEMBLY
The Rest are at Glastonbury - The Biggest Festival in The World
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Posted by: tony_opmoc on Jun 24, 2009 2:15 PM
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It was Quite an Education
Whilst I always knew it was a British Job which The CIA were eventually convinced to take part in - it was good to read the real inside story - and how so few People can Change Governments by Infiltrating People.
Sure I've Read about Cuba
But FFS
You can pull off a Revolution with less than 50 People - if you plan it Right
Tony
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Posted by: kogwonton on Jun 24, 2009 4:06 PM
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The 'Enterprise' is something that should be taught in U.S. history courses, but is not. Considering the 'fallout' from that, you would think that more people would know about it, especially since those hearings were (mostly) public, aired on CSPAN.
I can show a single example which is more than enough to justify the utter house-cleaning which is needed in this country.
Iran-Contra.
Carter won his election in the aftermath of Nixon and his Cointelpro, Watergate, Chilean coup, etc. The CIA and FBI had been shown to have been used politically (fascism), against so-called 'communist' influences, and to have waged a war against civil rights and peace leaders all across this country. The decapitation of the civil rights leadership left only cynicism and street gangs in their wake.
Carter appointed a trusted navy buddy to head up the CIA, hoping to clean it up. Unfortunately replacing the Chief of LAPD didn't help clean up that outfit either.
The hard-core 'cold warriors' (Team-B) went underground and sold drugs on U.S. streets to finance fascist dictators in Nicaragua, empowering those same left-over street gangs, and financing their rise to national levels. The cold warriors sold weapons to terrorists in a covert action designed to sabotage Carter's presidency, and bring in Reagan.
Reagan approved of the actions of those 'cold warriors', and even smiled at them making a little profit along the way. He allowed the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (designed by the CIA and the ISI to finance the Mujihadin through laundering Afghani opium profits) to be brought to U.S. soil. This bank was (finally) brought down by a N.Y. prosecutor after ten years of failure to do so by Senate inquiries.
BCCI is, to this day, used as the largest historical example of criminal money laundering and terrorist financing in training for the FBI. The U.S. branch of that bank was run by a man named Clark Clifford.
Clark Clifford was the author of the National Security Act which created the NSA and the CIA. They are both rogue organizations with stronger ties to international organized crime and intel agencies, such as the ISI, Mossad, MI6, GID, than to any oaths taken to defend our Constitution.
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Posted by: Gravitas on Jun 24, 2009 4:55 PM
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1) Just like the military, do kids that age really know what they are in for when they join the CIA? Student loans are horrendous and it would be mighty tempting to have school paid for. But at what ultimate price??? Does this program have some kind of opt out clause if they find all the things they are asked to do in the CIA might not be for them?
2) As a college instructor, I don't want some neophyte spy branding me a commie just because we discuss provocative and radical ideas in class. No one has to agree with me to get a decent grade. But if certain ideas are so threatening to the powers that be we can't even discuss them, that does jeopardize academic freedom.
3) Even if that is not the case, this program could create an atmosphere of fear in the classroom. Last year I dated an architect who was originally from Israel. He kept telling me not to get too political in the classroom because I need my job. Then he abruptly cut off all communications with me and disappeared. Hmmmmmm
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This is not healthy for any society that asserts individual freedom to the extent of fundamental disagreement with the current governing process. This is contrary to the aim of the U.S. constitution which was born in the minds of men who did not like their will meddled with.
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Posted by: clos on Jun 24, 2009 11:43 PM
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2006 film that addresses the complex issue very clearly.
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