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Coitus Interruptus Erroneous: Would You Believe That Pulling Out Actually Works?
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Coitus interruptus, withdrawal, pulling out, raw dog. Of all the names ascribed to the intimate act that is a man removing his penis from his partner's vagina before orgasm, the terminology that best encapsulates the public's perception of it is "Pull and Pray." As in, pull out and pray you don't have a baby. As a form of birth control, the method is largely regarded as ill-thought out -- the last resort of hasty teenagers with access to the family car and several cans of beer. In short, it doesn't work. Except that it probably does.
A recent study conducted by Rachel Jones, senior research associate at the Guttmacher Institute, asserts that research shows the withdrawal method is almost as effective as condoms when used correctly. When used correctly 100 percent of the time, condoms have a two percent failure rate. When used correctly, withdrawal has a four percent failure rate. And Jones is not the first one to the party. In her paper "Better than nothing or savvy risk-reduction practice? The importance of withdrawal," she references another study by an enterprising pair named Deborah Rogow and Sonya Horowitz who came to the same conclusion, which is that pulling out is a hell of a lot better than nothing and that more research should be done on the matter. That was back in 1995. Fourteen years later, Jones is still one of the scant voices requesting more research.
Withdrawal is one of the oldest, most widely used forms of birth control outside abstinence. It's mentioned in the Bible. Some scholars argue that the Prophet Muhammad gave pulling out the thumbs up. So when did coitus withdrawal get the big red "rejected" stamp?
The Catholic Church was one of the first institutions to frown on pulling out. Sperm deserved a shot at the egg, and impeding its journey indicated couples were interested in copulating for reasons other than having a baby. But the tide really began turning against pulling out because, unlike the church, opponents believed users would have a child. The 1900s ushered in new forms of birth control, like diaphragms, and along with it, birth control activists. Margaret Sanger, the champion of birth control in the U.S. and Marie Stopes, her counterpart across the pond, were not fans. In addition to deeming the method unreliable even when used correctly, both felt that men couldn't be trusted to pull out in time. Men were sexual animals who either didn't care enough to pull out, or couldn't.
Sanger and Stopes also subscribed to a belief that was common during the day that pulling out would essentially drive both participants bonkers and lead to any number of health problems. In a report she prepared for the courts in 1917, Sanger includes the writings of Enoch Heinrich Kisch, an Austrian gynecologist who penned one of the, ahem, seminal texts on the dangers of withdrawal, The Sexual Life of Women, in 1910.
Kisch believed that some of the "evil effects" of coitus interruptus lead to "intense hyperaemia of the uterus" and "chronic netritis." Stopes complained that women were deprived of "the beneficial absorption from the seminal and prostatic fluids." (At least one researcher suggested that it was obvious that certain elements of sperm were absorbed through the vaginal walls because its odor could be detected on the breath of women who had recently had intercourse.)
Coitus interruptus was blamed for heart problems, back problems, "congested" urethras, and neuroses. In short, the failure of a man to deposit the proof of his orgasm inside a woman's vagina was a tragedy. And it wasn't just bad news for the guy. The woman's satisfaction was intrinsically tied to the man's. Withdrawing the penis prior to ejaculation circumvented the female orgasm and left her frustrated. While a valid concern for women's need to control their own fertility made birth control the domain of doctors and the medical establishment, it was also coupled with bad science. Natural methods fell to the wayside.
Broaching the subject of pulling out with nearly anyone inevitably leads to a conversation about pre-ejaculate.
This is quite possibly why the topic shouldn't be raised over a lunch of fried chicken with gravy, but it was. "But what about the precum, it's full of sperm," protested a full-time journalist with a couple of degrees, when discussing the efficacy of withdrawal. Upon being informed that research suggests there is little to no sperm in pre-ejaculate, a chicken wing was summarily dropped in a puddle of gravy and a look of shock replaced that of knowing.
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Posted by: dbarber on Jun 22, 2009 1:12 AM
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Posted by: philipcfromnyc on Jun 22, 2009 2:26 AM
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As a gay man, I have never had unprotected anal sex -- whether giving or receiving. I have been sexually active for more than 20 years, which makes this quite an accomplishment -- even the most careful gay men I know admit to having had unprotected sex on occasion (usually when drunk or high, or with a partner who they "know" to be seronegative). I almost certainly owe my life to this -- I often ponder the fact that, had I been born just four or five years earlier, I would almost certainly be either dead or infected with HIV. I am not arguing that gay men should stop using condoms and should instead pull out prior to ejaculation -- however, I AM arguing that this issue should be discussed frankly and openly within the gay male community, and that any opinions expressed regarding this subject should be informed by good science and by the results of solid research. Sadly, such research is either lacking, or is actively discouraged on the grounds that it "sends the wrong message" about sex and condoms.
Consider the debate over oral sex. The plain truth is that oral sex between men (or between men and women) is an EXTREMELY low-risk activity in terms of the transmission of HIV. Of course there have been instances in which people have become infected by having unprotected oral sex -- but these instances are exceedingly rare, and usually involve gum disease or trauma to the mouth (for example, recent dental work). Yet it is virtually impossible to conduct a sane discussion about unprotected oral sex as a low-risk activity in the US.
In the UK (where I currently reside), oral sex is classified as being not at all risky in terms of HIV transmission -- a position that stands in stark contrast to that adopted by activists and commentators in the US. Yet rates of HIV transmission are no higher in the UK than in the US. Furthermore, although many AIDS activists insist that gay men should use condoms when having oral sex, the truth of the matter is that almost nobody I know actually does this. There are few things more unpleasant than having a mouth filled with latex, and the overwhelming majority of gay men routinely ignore warnings to the effect that unprotected oral sex is potentially dangerous.
Sure, it is theoretically possible for HIV to be transmitted via this route. It is also theoretically possible that the moon could crash into the Earth. Every adult gay man has to make up his or her mind as to the potential dangers of unprotected oral sex, and has to weigh the chances of HIV transmission for himself. This is made impossible when AIDS activists take an absolutist position and argue that gay men should always use condoms when having oral sex.
Not only is this a reflection of bad science -- but (and much more seriously) such absolutist thinking and warnings can undermine the legitimate efforts of AIDS activists to effect behavioral change with respect to other, more risky activities. If a young gay man learns that the dangers of having unprotected oral sex have been grossly and excessively over-hyped (as I did), there is a very good chance that he will also ignore more serious and more legitimate warnings, on the grounds that he has already been lied to about the dangers of unprotected oral sex. Nobody who knows anything about HIV disputes the fact that unprotected anal intercourse is much, much more risky than unprotected oral sex -- but if the government and AIDS activists are shown to have exaggerated the dangers of the latter, many gay men will conclude that those same voices have probably exaggerated the dangers of the former. The results of this dynamic need hardly be debated...
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Posted by: philipcfromnyc on Jun 22, 2009 2:33 AM
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Just how risky is anal intercourse if the insertive partner pulls out before coming? Before we can discuss this matter sanely and with integrity, we need answers to this question.
Interestingly, the risks associated with HIV transmission in the context of unprotected oral sex are exceedingly low WHETHER OR NOT the person receiving the BJ comes in the mouth of his or her partner. One would conclude, intuitively, that the risk is higher if the man receiving the BJ comes in the mouth of his partner -- but what little data does exist relative to this subject suggests that the risk is negligible either way.
I very much hope that this message will spur honest, vigorous, and open debate, without Cassandra-like wailing or accusations to the effect that I am being "irresponsible" merely for suggesting that this matter be debated.
Let us see whether or not this matter will now be discussed rationally.
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» RE: This should be discussed within the gay community too...
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» This striaght guy is all in favor of good information
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Posted by: Moonray on Jun 22, 2009 2:55 AM
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There are terms for people who pull out as a form of birth control, terms such as "father" and "HIV patient." I don't know what's behind this peculiar little movement, but I urge responsible people everywhere to ignore it and use condoms.
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» Don't confuse you with facts, huh?
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» This is not about misinformation but responsible behavior
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» I have unprotected sex all the time - with my wife
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Posted by: pelican beak on Jun 22, 2009 4:55 AM
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As for the wisdom of withdrawal as a form of birth control, my thoughts are that its best to simpl
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Posted by: geometeer on Jun 22, 2009 5:58 AM
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The odd thing about the article was missing a key cultural change. Nowadays the "sexual animals who either didn't care enough to pull out, or couldn't" have grown up watching porn, and porn eroticizes withdrawal and the 'money shot' that gives the camera a climax to show. Men and boys who want to act out porn thus have a positive, urgent reason for withdrawal that is much more potent (in context) than a worry about pregnancy. No longer felt as losing the stimulus at the peak moment, spoiling the climax, it has become the climax.
But will sex ed classes connect to that?
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Posted by: Beck on Jun 22, 2009 6:25 AM
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However, it's another pandering article, no more news than one on how to tat, or what makes a good crossing guard, or the average number of eggs a chickadee lays. I suppose the advertisers love it, which is why we're not only getting more of it here, but the tone and pictures are going beyond the pseudo-scientific tone the rarer sex articles here used to have.
Funny how we can comment on the articles but not the ads. How soon will we be seeing "Boy Loses Head of Gangrenous Penis" here in the article section instead of just listed with the ads to the left? Or "Tata's Flambe": Lady GaGa Breasts Ablaze"? Think I'm kidding? Look to the left.
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» Not "as effective", but "almost as effective". But then, that doesn't make a good rant does it?
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» Those ads need to go.
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Posted by: chrish on Jun 22, 2009 6:33 AM
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But what about reality? Here in the world of imperfect persons, the ACTUAL failure rate for condoms is around 15%. Wow. But it still beats withdrawal by almost 2:1, where 27% of practicioners wind up preggers. The rate is even higher for teens, who are more fertile and less adept.
Science has reduced a woman's chance of becoming pregnant to almost nil with advanced methods of contraception, specifically IUDs and shots (Depo-prevera and Lunelle). I wouldn't presume to come between partners in deciding which form of pregnancy control to use, but if a woman is serious about wanting to prevent pregnancy she should avail herself of the best possible science, knowing that she and her partner are imperfect beings in an fast-paced world.
Why anyone would want to promote as viable a method that has such a failure rate is puzzling. 1/4 to 1/3 of the women practicioners will get pregnant!!! If told up front I'm sure they would find that actual risk unacceptable.
Stats from http://www.contracept.org/risks.php
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» And hear we have the contrast between fearmongering and actual useful advice.
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» Good advice, except . . .
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Posted by: chrish on Jun 22, 2009 6:38 AM
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In a world self-destructing with over-population and over-consumption and over-indulgence, we need to be calculating and informative about how to best mitigate the consequences of our pleaasure-seeking.
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Posted by: EinMD on Jun 22, 2009 6:44 AM
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This article is spreading dangerous misinformation akin to the nonsense you'd hear in an abstinence only education plan. I'm rather surprised that this stuff is being posted here.
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» Interruptus is not for everyone; not for me
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» Excellent and fair point.
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» RE: Better than nothing? Are you serious?
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Posted by: maddy on Jun 22, 2009 8:10 AM
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How rational or self-controlled is any human being seconds before orgasm?
Hmmm: self-control and orgasm? Talk about a contradiction in terms!
I wouldn't call that gender bias. I'd call it "pre-euphoria." And a-friggin-men to it!
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Posted by: Juven on Jun 22, 2009 8:47 AM
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Remember the rythm method? You can keep track of the woman's cycle and enjoy sex safely (concerning preganancy of course) with out taking chemicals or wearing a petrol product on your wanger.
Wild Yam is a root that works as birth control and is totally natural.
Educate yourself.
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» jimidee...so funny
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Posted by: RobNLA on Jun 22, 2009 9:08 AM
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Relying on pulling out is risky process because a man need only have a partial ejaculation at any point. In the throws of passion, ejaculating before pulling out, or while pulling out can easily occur, causing pregnancy.
However, the much bigger risk is that unprotected sex can cause the spread of STDs. HIV is the most common one mentioned these days, but do not forget there are many others such as Chlamydia, Genital warts, Herpes, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis and Syphilis. Many of these STD's can cause serious medical problems.
Given all this, I think it's extremely irresponsible to promote unprotected sex.
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» NO promotion here, just facts
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Posted by: rastaman on Jun 22, 2009 11:05 AM
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the trifecta would be complete
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» PS: That time period may be 5 years, not one
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» Been pulling out for 25 years
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Posted by: JudoChopJosh on Jun 22, 2009 6:08 PM
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Thanks for laying out that axis of evil for us, G.W., Obama might not have been able to come up with that one on his own.
Fortunately for us all, Alternet's informed us of the legitimacy of the pull out method, so we can all get back to fucking (your partner, the earth, etc.)
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» "Hey honey Alternet said I don't have to use condoms anymore"
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Posted by: crowd3r on Jun 22, 2009 8:13 PM
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Nonetheless, some people, such as myself, have health concerns with conventional forms of birth control and allergies to condoms so, what is there to do? The second easiest and FREE method of preventing pregnancy next to sexual ABSTENTION... is interruptus coitus aka pulling out. However, if the alarming rate of HIV and STDS doesn't put the fear of God in you, nothing will.
I wonder why it hasn't occured to people that the primary function of sex is to procreate, have children, PRODUCE OFFSPRING!
And also to strengthen the bond between husband and wife.
The pleasure of an orgasm is merely a by-product of sex... If having sex was painful it would be a little counter productive towards God's directive to "be fruitful and multiply". *sigh*
Let's get it together people and stop living so recklessly! Once you get it... You've got it!
Take Care & God Bless :)
Crowd3rgirl
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Posted by: MT512 on Jun 23, 2009 7:18 AM
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It's a ~30 minute procedure that I'd say is on par with a routine dental visit--not completely comfortable but not at all a big deal. I kinda felt like I had a midget swinging from my scrotum for about a month, though. But talk about being worth it! I wish I had done it almost 20 years ago.
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» RE: In a word: NO - not a math whiz, are ya?
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» 25 years of pulling out
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Posted by: theguyintheback on Jun 23, 2009 4:42 PM
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Put the FACTS out there and let people decide how to live their own lives!!! Responsibility is EDUCATION through FACTS - not opinions.
Anyone who uses a condom once finds out how uncomfortable they are. Does it mean you shouldn't wear one? YOUR CHOICE. But for me, I'm married and my wife hates what the pills do for her, doesn't like the other forms of BC and not to mention the cost to your pocket book and body.
So she prefers the pull-out method for now. Plus it makes us feel like porn stars. Given we stay aware of her cycle and I'm a man with a "uncanny" sense of self-control, it works out great and has been for years now.
People can take risks if they want. Let them choose given the info.
Considering the chances of dying in a car wreck and we still go out and drive to work? I'll take my chances on the porn star pull-out!
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Posted by: yellow on Jun 23, 2009 5:17 PM
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Anyhow, I would never suggest that two young kids thinking about having sex should try the early withdrawl method. It's less reliable than the rhythm method.
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Posted by: nunsuch on Jun 23, 2009 7:35 PM
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I see a lot of knee-jerk reactions in the comments. Please, check your facts before you blast -
Yes, coitus interruptus is less effective than condoms. However, it's *more* effective (96-78%) than a cervical cap (91-68%) or spermicides (82-71%), and comparable to female condoms (85-79%) or sponge (91-80%),and I don't see anyone screaming about those...
Wikipedia chart
Women's Heath Center/Cedar River Clinics chart
(PDF)
Aside from the facts above, I grew up in a culture and time (pre-HIV) where "pulling out" was a major method of birth control for young people. I became sexually active very young, and have never been pregnant. Out of hundreds of women of my generation that I know of, only two had unplanned pregnancies. One of them was on a pill. "Teen mothers" just did not exist as a concept.
Now, this is possibly a skewed statistic - in that culture, there is a major societal pressure and expectation that the (however unexpected) father must support a child he creates and be available to him/her as a full-time parent. I'd imagine that this makes young men more vigilant to pull out in time (ever heard the term "shotgun wedding"?) :-)
In addition, this was the only birth control method we used during my 11 year marriage, with complete success.
*I got my IUD at 38, because my current partner (sigh, yes, he's a middle-aged American) refuses to pull out.
Hysteria and misinformation never helped anyone stay safe from STDs & pregnancy.
By all means, *everyone* should use condoms (I did) for casual sex, multiple partners, and committed relationships until the tests come in. However, this article talked about prevention of *pregnancy*, NOT STDs, and it is based on facts, no matter how much those facts make you uncomfortable.
This is exactly why I come to Alternet - for discussions of controversial and uncomfortable truths.
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» RE: FINALLY, an honest article about the pull out method!
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Posted by: peter4263 on Jun 23, 2009 10:04 PM
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For various reasons the use of the pill or condoms, didn't fit into my sexual experience.
Unfortunatly there was one abortion in my early twenties.
I've the good fortune and the disipline and the respect for my partners, to enjoy flying free.
By placing my penis on top of the clitoris, at orgasm,neither of us, lost intensity or pleasure.
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Posted by: AlteredStates on Jun 27, 2009 10:36 PM
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Personally, I can't even think about pulling out just before climaxing inside the women you love. That is like taking a shower with a raincoat on. I don't believe this is still being discussed, especially after the sexual revolution of the 60's and 70's. There are much better ways of avoiding pregnancies.
Then, enter the Catholic Church with ridiculous concepts such as, the "rhythm method", or the "sin" of "pulling out" or "Onanism" as it is called. Onanism as it was first interpreted, was an archaic term for masturbation, sometimes used metaphorically for self-indulgence.
The term comes from the story of Onan in the Bible (Genesis 38:7-9). After his older brother Er died he was required to marry Er's widow Tamar (this was the practice of levirate marriage). According to the Bible, when he had sexual intercourse with his brother's wife he spilt his semen upon the ground (probably a reference to coitus interruptus). In response to this transgression, God killed Onan.
Since ancient times, both Jewish and Christian authors have interpreted this passage as a condemnation of masturbation. But, most modern biblical scholars, say that Onan's sin was to violate the rules of levirate marriage, a Biblical law which states that a childless widow must marry her late husband's brother.
Cut to 2009. Get real people, who wants to live like this? Use the contraception that works for you and enjoy uninhibited sex with the person you love. God won't strike you dead..at least not for something like this.
The idea of having someone else tell you how to fuck is worse then ridiculous. It ought to be a crime if someone intrudes into the sexual lives of two consenting adults. Again, get real and stop living under the umbrella of superstition, ignorance and fear. If someone or some religion tries to tell you you're wrong, politely tell them to fuck off and get on with your life. There are too many other things in life that worry us; this shouldn't be one of them.
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Posted by: deftofcenter on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 PM
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My husband is from France and has used this method for 28 years. I have also used fertility awareness methods so that at various times in my cycle, we had the option of not withdrawing. Both "methods" require awareness and control and I think they are very good for developing control, ability and sexual technique.
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